Jesse Michels probes UAPs, David Grusch’s claims of ufology, venture capital, and the private investment tied to this all. Listen now early and ad-free on Patreon https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal.
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TIMESTAMPS:
– 00:00:00 Introduction
– 00:00:55 Interviewing David Grusch…
– 00:09:00 The fight against misinformation in UFO studies
– 00:13:07 The intersection of consciousness and parapsychology
– 00:16:24 String theory and what physics is
– 00:20:46 Jesse’s relationship with Grusch
– 00:25:59 Reverse engineering programs (the greatest PSYOP of all time)
– 00:37:00 Oppenheimer’s involvement in UFO research?
– 00:51:00 Theories behind UFO crashes
– 00:56:46 The Faustian bargain of forbidden knowledge and love
– 01:08:06 Inside Peter Thiel’s family office, Palantir, and PR
– 01:20:00 Lessons from investment failures
– 01:41:53 UFOs and the private sector (the Wilson memo and AATIP)
– 01:50:01 Unseen parts of the Grusch interview (Roger Penrose’s theory, multiverses)
– 02:03:05 The best evidence for UFOs
– 02:07:20 Why UFOs follow cars and planes
– 02:10:23 The mystery of Edward Leedskallen (Coral Stone Park)
– 02:22:08 Anomalies pointing to new scientific paradigms
– 02:29:08 Behind the scenes of the David Grusch talks
– 02:35:03 Catastrophic predictions for 2024 from Grusch (what did he mean?)
– 02:38:32 Criticism from Avi Loeb
– 02:52:59 Advice for studying the phenomenon
– 03:00:17 Curt’s disappointment in UFO “revelations” lacking tangible evidence
– 03:11:04 Future TOE plans and channel updates
NOTE: The perspectives expressed by guests don’t necessarily mirror my own. There’s a versicolored arrangement of people on TOE, each harboring distinct viewpoints, as part of my endeavor to understand the perspectives that exist.
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LINKS MENTIONED:
– Doc w/ David Grusch on Jesse Michels (YouTube): https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw
– Jesse Michels (YouTube Channel): https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichels
– Conspiracy (Ryan Holiday): https://amzn.to/3S4w6fH
– Zero to One (Peter Thiel and Blake Masters): https://amzn.to/45AneBE
– The Man Who Mastered Gravity (Paul Shotskin): https://amzn.to/3Q9e7SW
– In Plain Sight (Ross Coulthart’s book): https://amzn.to/45C6H02
– Ross Coulthart’s podcast (Need To Know): https://www.youtube.com/@BryceZabel
– Podcast w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson on TOE: https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs
– Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE: https://youtu.be/MQnGcX7oxms
– Documentary on connections in the 1950s with quantum gravity research and anti-gravity or UFOs: https://youtu.be/eBA3RUxkZdc
– Podcast w/ Jacques Vallee on TOE: https://youtu.be/uVo51khU8AE
– News Nation Interview with Ross: https://youtu.be/x_9gTDXF9Vc
– UFOs and Nukes documentary: https://youtu.be/jyTKETcxj0M
– The Hunt for Zero Point (Nick Cook): https://amzn.to/3rPkUZQ
– The Stars Are Too High (Agnew Banson): https://amzn.to/408nMNZ
– Podcast w/ Hal Puthoff on Jesse’s channel: https://youtu.be/iQOibpIDx-4
– Podcast w/ Avi Loeb on TOE: https://youtu.be/4j5S_-MCWq4
– Podcast w/ Leslie Kane on TOE: https://youtu.be/j1fN5Gxm9fk
– Podcast w/ Jeffrey Mishlove on TOE: https://youtu.be/VFpHk9WqCrY
– Why the Soylent Green Creator Went to Goat Farm: https://youtu.be/HUGNqAyBUDw
– Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE (Part 1): https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE
– Podcast w/ John Greenwald on TOE: https://youtu.be/NzXPsWQqoYw
– Theo Von’s channel: https://youtu.be/1cziCepYeEM?t=4673
– Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI
– Podcast w/ Noam Chomsky on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ7ikzmc6zlORiRfcaQe8ZdxKxF-e2BCY
– Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc
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TIMESTAMPS, LINKS MENTIONED, AND SPONSOR:
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TIMESTAMPS:
– 00:00:00 Introduction
– 00:00:55 Interviewing David Grusch…
– 00:09:00 The fight against misinformation in UFO studies
– 00:13:07 The intersection of consciousness and parapsychology
– 00:16:24 String theory and what physics is
– 00:20:46 Jesse's relationship with Grusch
– 00:25:59 Reverse engineering programs (the greatest PSYOP of all time)
– 00:37:00 Oppenheimer's involvement in UFO research?
– 00:51:00 Theories behind UFO crashes
– 00:56:46 The Faustian bargain of forbidden knowledge and love
– 01:08:06 Inside Peter Thiel's family office, Palantir, and PR
– 01:20:00 Lessons from investment failures
– 01:41:53 UFOs and the private sector (the Wilson memo and AATIP)
– 01:50:01 Unseen parts of the Grusch interview (Roger Penrose's theory, multiverses)
– 02:03:05 The best evidence for UFOs
– 02:07:20 Why UFOs follow cars and planes
– 02:10:23 The mystery of Edward Leedskallen (Coral Stone Park)
– 02:22:08 Anomalies pointing to new scientific paradigms
– 02:29:08 Behind the scenes of the David Grusch talks
– 02:35:03 Catastrophic predictions for 2024 from Grusch (what did he mean?)
– 02:38:32 Criticism from Avi Loeb
– 02:52:59 Advice for studying the phenomenon
– 03:00:17 Curt's disappointment in UFO "revelations" lacking tangible evidence
– 03:11:04 Future TOE plans and channel updates
LINKS MENTIONED:
– Doc w/ David Grusch on Jesse Michels (YouTube): https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw
– Jesse Michels (YouTube Channel): https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichels
– A New Kind of Science (Stephen Wolfram): https://amzn.to/45C3yNP
– Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World (René Girard): https://amzn.to/490VKb6
– Conspiracy (Ryan Holiday): https://amzn.to/3S4w6fH
– Zero to One (Peter Thiel and Blake Masters): https://amzn.to/45AneBE
– The Man Who Mastered Gravity (Paul Shotskin): https://amzn.to/3Q9e7SW
– Podcast w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson on TOE: https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs
– Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE: https://youtu.be/MQnGcX7oxms
– Documentary on connections in the 1950s with quantum gravity research and anti-gravity or UFOs: https://youtu.be/eBA3RUxkZdc
– Podcast w/ Jacques Vallee on TOE: https://youtu.be/uVo51khU8AE
– News Nation Interview with Ross: https://youtu.be/x_9gTDXF9Vc
– UFOs and Nukes documentary: https://youtu.be/jyTKETcxj0M
– The Hunt for Zero Point (Nick Cook): https://amzn.to/3rPkUZQ
– The Stars Are Too High (Agnew Banson): https://amzn.to/408nMNZ
– Podcast w/ Hal Puthoff on Jesse's channel: https://youtu.be/iQOibpIDx-4
– Podcast w/ Avi Loeb on TOE: https://youtu.be/4j5S_-MCWq4
– Podcast w/ Leslie Kane on TOE: https://youtu.be/j1fN5Gxm9fk
– Podcast w/ Jeffrey Mishlove on TOE: https://youtu.be/VFpHk9WqCrY
– Why the Soylent Green Creator Went to Goat Farm: https://youtu.be/HUGNqAyBUDw
– Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE (Part 1): https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE
– Podcast w/ John Greenwald on TOE: https://youtu.be/NzXPsWQqoYw
– Theo Von's channel: https://youtu.be/1cziCepYeEM?t=4673
– Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI
– Podcast w/ Noam Chomsky on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ7ikzmc6zlORiRfcaQe8ZdxKxF-e2BCY
– Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc
man stop pushing the ufo BS…all nonsense, pls don't follow views…pls
If we imagine that german scientists developed antigravity in the 1930's & we imagine that the ruling party, at the time, was sponsored by banking interests, could it be possible that this tech has been developed in secret using cia blackbudget funding and secrecy with the aim of using it to launch Von Braun's false alien invasion and lay the groundwork for dissolution of nationhood and the establishment of a novo ordo seclorum?
what are the marks on jesse's arms? I see 3 on each arm, is he a cyborg? 🧐
Just SO GOOD
To speculate on why UFOs crash, it’s an easy one: who’s to say that there aren’t several species of aliens at play on earth? And who’s to say they aren’t shooting each other down for control over earth?
My Two favorite podcasters and I was not disappointed ❗
Keep up the Good Work gentlemen ❗👏👏👏
Cheers❗🍻
Before this conversation begins my best guess is we are dealing with another civilization, from afar, that got here because they had Elon Musks singularity with ai more than 300,000 years previous or more to our current technical advancement. In fact their ai is how they even got here in the first place. Now I will listen to this conversation.
Ok. The interviewer may know whats being discussed.
And the guest may know what he’s explaining, but as a listener, i’m not able to following what they’re talking about. I feel like someone who wondered into a conversation without any context. I wish they could make this understandable for a layperson to understand
Thousands of light years away? Lol, the phenomenon is HERE brother, not out There. It always has been. Just ask any long time SETI astronomer, the only valid ET signal ever found came from our planet – not from deep space.
Higher Realm thru controlling the thoughts of the physical directive, awesome
Outstanding interview! I learned a lot in a historic context. My two favorite Podcasters/YouTubers/Truth seekers
Everyone has sold themselves on the idea these “things” are love and fluffiness… without any good reason to believe such a thing
Curt & Jesse: you two seem to have a shared "vibe" that could work well in future collaborations. Such a high level of intelligence, but also the ability to frame things in lay-person terms. Thanks to both of you.
I love the topic compilation idea, that would be awesome!
Trumpers…. 😂
He did a good interview with Grusch
Great Podcast, thankyou for putting this together. And thankyou for your channel, one of the very best on the net.
telling us we're special for having feelings/emotions sounds like something a hive mind would say
Jesse is amazing. Great interview.
Amazing! Thank you
You should make a clip from 51:00 – 56:40
The one thing that niggles me with a lot of these new wave UFO podcasters…? They all seem to be coming from a monied background and are successful entrepreneurs who got the UFO itch, and now they're all just building their next hot "brand". It's all soooo convoluted, and they stand on the shoulders of geniuses spouting all sorts of stuff, trying to sound very clever. I may be wrong but it sure feels like it a lot of the time. I hope I'm wrong
Googles “kangaroo court”
If you're jealous TOE just say it. Let this man do interviews with whoever and sit down thank you.
Good interview, but that attempt of Jesse's to make Peter Thiel into a good person is so weird. I get it I guess, he's his business daddy… but shit.
What Jesse is saying about gifts is nonsense. It's who's driving, there's many craft, scientists, sociologists, flora and fauna observations. Sometimes the pilot's are not very good.
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55:02 I imagine Marty McFly crashing upon entry in both 1955 and 1985. And then he almost crashes going into the future. In the case of 1955 he didn’t know what to expect in that space. In the case of the future, he’s entering a space that is actually MORE technologically advanced in every way EXCEPT for time travel. Imagine that. Imaging UFOs coming from a long time ago in a galaxy far far away but are shocked by our futuristic world, the one difference being that they figured out interspace/time/dimensional travel before us.
Query: Why has Jesse not dealt with the fellow heading up the Disclosure Project?
UFO cover up its all plain to see now all the info is coming together
The UFO's are being knocked down by directed energy weapons. We learned about this because our radar systems were causing them to crash as it interferes with their systems. There are several cases of UFO's destroying radar towers and others where crashed beings complain about the radars. Different technology development pathways.
There is a case in Samara Russia where a UFO destroys a radar unit. It is in this video: https://youtu.be/dEWDBRT1gzo?si=YYSFFHVfkFFA9aby
anything with radiation is property of the energy department according to federal law…
Stick to UFOs. Defense of Palantir was ridiculously over simplified and a lie through omission. They work with the national security state. Start there to understand the whole truth.
This should be shown in every high school! Wow!