June 1986 Issue of BMX Racer + Freestyler UK Magazines Reviewed.
Talking UKBMX & NBMXA 80s race history from BMX Action Bike, to how much Schweppes outlayed to sponsor the National Series in 86, Slough World Championships, Tamworth, Edwards, Raleigh, Tom Lynch, Darrin Stock, Winnie Wright, Geth Shooter, Andy Ruffell, Gary Llewellyn, Darren Wood, Tommy Brakens, Dylan Clayton, Eric Carter, Franke Romain, Mongoose, Charlie Reynolds, Karen Murphy, Pete Middleton and more.
Filmed by Kenny Hunter / BMXWeekly.com
All right so here today myself CDE golin Dale holes and uh we’re looking at some old magazines we’re uh it’s uh we’ve got a couple of American ones a couple of English ones and uh this is from like June 86 so around the time right before
Slow worlds would have come out and uh and uh and and where are we Paul where are we we’re in hunting the beach oh we’re in hunting the beach so we’re not in uh we’re not in bourma no no I uh I take it for granted it’s uh but it’s
Nice it’s this time of year right after Labor Day between now and Christmas it’s uh it’s nice you get the you get the sea but this will break off and it’ll be nice and warm in the afternoon but there’s not really any tourists in town after after the end of summer it’s pretty
Cool so BMX race a freestyle at June 1986 so we’re straight we’re straight into Tamworth action said that they might be some missing pages we’re hang let’s see what you it says Tam and that’s lowest stuff yeah I know I was going to say like I don’t remember an
AMV rider ever going to Tam with what’s pretty crazy is Tom’s jumping from there he’s jumping from LOF into Tam yeah that looks like T yeah I uh Tristan Tac Tristan Tac might knock on the outside God that’s your age group that could well be me behind him in the Kara
National team look uh could be Alex could be Lee although Lee would be Lee wouldn’t be be it be Gary aan Ry maybe he was K team around that time what was your thoughts on BMX RAC from freestyle magazine May rep it was another magazine and another chance to get photos like
You know and I’m sure everybody else was stoked cuz you know you you got to remember in like this day and age of social media where you just giving all this stuff all the time like there were so few magazines that you just waited for them to come out and hit them
Straight up it was like one American Magazine or maybe two American magazines and one or maybe two English ones but then there was a period where I think like maybe three new magazines came out racer freestyler was there BMX was it BMX racer racer yeah there was another
One what was the one that we did the shoot for uh that was early ’90s yeah that was BMX world no grind no it was only there for a few minutes yeah um I forgot but I know what you mean what James Hudson’s magazine yes I think it
Was that one BX now yeah B now yeah yeah so shout out to BMX now I’ve got some uh got some piggies in there so June so June 86 by then hadn’t like BMX action bik kind of gone down the rad they all start after the worlds this one was kind
Of gone as well so these are the last couple issues of yeah this an action bike from at least racing you know F action bike had already maybe gone to no it still there just less racing the far the farum race report from the farum after ghost Nationals no the one the one
Mark vril yeah that’s 97 that’s 87 87 the year year after SL yeah but then it kind of fade it was already fading but I mean they they were I think action bik was still was still pumping a little bit wasn’t it cuz they were still action bik I think
87 would probably the last year a little bit Brad I I just know that you know this this magazine they actually went to the races like you would see them at the races and it wouldn’t just be the Nationals the Nationals started appearing SP right but then there would
Be Rider focuses on like you know younger expert Riders who you would only know if you were on the national scene like Ben Beasley got a cover which was you know for for a young expert racer to get a cover that was pretty much unheard
Of at that point so it was like you know everybody all of a sudden was getting pictures in the magazines like my first full page picture in the magazine was total fluke it was uh um coore and I just I think I had an inside gate so I ended up getting in the
Leag for whatever reason and uh lame one at coxm was good yeah well I I that’s the only reason I was in the league Cox was good I uh and I jumped the triples in front of uh jumped the triples in front of in front of Whopper actually
Yeah I I just it you know it was another chance for people to get magazine coverage and also another chance for you to learn what was going on cuz you you know everybody was like you and me I just I wanted more I just I wanted there
Was no no internet there was no mobile mob phones this was how you consumed media right this is how you consumed what was going on you know I up at frog Town talking to Bob Osborne and I I sort of impressed upon Him Kenny and I spoke
To him and said you know when every month when BMX action came out you know he couldn’t get it everywhere it was pretty hard to find in the UK and I used to go to this one news agent to get it I knew the day it would come out and I’d
Literally be down there first thing in the morning to get it and then I’d literally take it to the nearest park bench and just sit and read it back cover to cover and then ride home and then open it again and start reading more detail of it and over the course of
The month that you’d have it before the next one comes out you would have read every page and every letter and looked at every advert so so that’s why I think that the the IM these images are imprinted in in our subconscious because we consume them so deeply and I think if
You look now with mobile phones and the way kids are served well people the way we served media it it doesn’t have that lasting depression right because because this defined our childhood for me me you look at some on Instagram you never look at it again scroll by to the next one
This like say we’re looking at it 30 40 years later some of these magazines yeah I don’t I don’t it’s funny I don’t even know I don’t even know about videos now you think about like iconic video parts from from back then but now it’s people
Put out a video part but it’s you know the next latest and greatest ones out next and then you two years on you forget about the one that was like the whereas you you will still remember like all the sections on et’s forward or you
Know I don’t know it’s uh it’s I’m I’m sure kids will uh take that information in in in different ways they’ll have neural Link in five years time you’ll just be a to download every BMX image ever instantly Clive this one here schwep so they was the main sponsor in
The80s do you you with your mom obviously been involved you know how much kind of money they were put into BX anyway I don’t but they sponsored the national series right in 86 it was the shss BMX national series and then weer biix was sponsoring the worlds me and my
Dad did the flags yeah so you had a lot you had a lot of we had all the sweat that’s how we afforded that’s how weed they paid 10 P 10 p a mile I think for uh remember saying this 10 p a mile for uh for petrol um and the second year
We’ve got hotels like and we’ never we’ never had hotels but did you get free Shandy no we never got no [Â __Â ] free drinks and like also I wasn’t I probably didn’t do it as much but like you know teaside when all the racing over the
Last thing you want to [Â __Â ] do is take the well the kids used to Nick them didn’t they if you watch some of the super class finals the kids were go on the track in that was a thing more so in America we never uh not as much maybe
And it was a good deal for us it was like it they paid our gas and [Â __Â ] we like I said that was the first year I think I had hotels yeah [Â __Â ] cool that ass 65 what kind of money they putting through w i i I think it was reasonable money
I’m kind of thinking like 20130 Grand I can’t remember exactly M will no in in today’s money that’s probably you know you’re probably talking about two two 200 yeah so so Mom was the treasurer for the N for the 86 worlds so she’ll know exactly what money came in so uh yeah
I’ll find out and and let you know but I think it was a good chunk of cash you think about if you think about it back then it was on TV there was you know what 86 there was probably three TV channels right because Channel 4 hadn’t
Come out in ‘ 86 so yeah got some good stuff all right PA you got a letters yeah hang hang on no check that out so I go to the letters page and it’s uh de sir or read it then I don’t know I don’t
Even know if I want to read it I just it caught my eye but it’s crazy you can you can so where is it where’s the letter page letters page is uh uh they didn’t number their Pages come on oh 21 20 18 page 18 p uh I think this one’s missing
Pages I think it is yeah that’s why I got two let’s have a look at it no this you yeah you bet I’ll read it which one it’s which one this one here I didn’t read it all yet but I uh dear sir I’m writing to ask if it is possible that
You could print in your track side article the new Edwards of campwell factory team o it will consist of Daniel Edwards my cousin uh James Stillman leis Stewart Matt Stewart uh Neil Bane and Michelle Bane all these Riders compete both regionally and nationally and is hope
That they will all do very well this season as you have no doubt remember Edwards have in the past had such Riders as Charlie Reynolds Dean idial Karen Murphy CL goling get and we’re hoping to be able to continue in their footsteps thank you in anticipation Barry Steelman uh from
Beckley Heath if you’re still around cheers Barry up to Barry crazy right and they said thank you Barry for the info and the interesting reminder that the Edwards teams of the past have grown from anonymity to fame no doubt this President crop of riders will be out to
Do the same uh I mean I mean you’ve brought it up I haven’t brought it up but if you think like T tside 84 Gary lellan Dean IDs Karen Murphy Charlie Reynolds I mean that was a pretty good team right it see my thing is I was I
Was closer to like the uh I was closer to like hasset and Moses he was quick Moses pretty super quick you and Martin I mean my you know my my uncle you know when BMX kicked off in the shop you know my uncle Gary bought this old red van
And he and the deal was that he would pull up outside the shop at about 7:00 on a Sunday morning and whoever got in the back of the van went to the races you know and there was always like you turn up and there was always like you
Know 10 15 kids and there was just two benches in the back there was no seat belts and stuff in the back and then he had a little welded rack on the top he put the bikes on the top and uh you know Milton ke your your buddy’s back with the
Blower thanks buddy I I uh thought the guy couldn’t piss us off anymore he comes back to the blower I just I just like the fact it was you know they were they were like a London team and they were good like they could race against anyone like Gary and Charlie especially
But they weren’t like the factory team and they weren’t like it didn’t act like I didn’t feel like they had to be well behaved or anything they could be themselves and they were like hasset and Moses like they were you know more like MIM and Winston or Errol or just just I
Tell you I’ll tell you who else was on the team Andre and Julian Hal and and the the younger one I think was Julian and he used to give Wayne lellan run for his money he was he was quick and also on the team was uh Andy can’t remember his second
Name but he ended up being like DJ undercover in the in the hijack in in the group hijack so I used to go around his house and buy like five quid mixtapes off him he I remember he used to have like a red line 102b or
Something and um yeah he used to come the races and I mean he’s made it like massively in the music industry as a as a solid DJ amazing now how like Edwards went from uh the red the red sleev the red sleev the yeah with the with the
With the black team Edwards on it and it was like felt the it was like team Edwards in felt tshirt you put over your thing and I and I wouldn’t wear it and the deal was if he didn’t wear I I had like a Robinson Jersey and I very rarely
Wore the red t-shirt over the top and the deal was if you didn’t wear the red t-shirt you wouldn’t get like the white Factory tea one when it came out and I was like oh man I’m going to have to start wearing that shitty red t-shirt but 84 yeah 84 tside after that
Like uh you know way got Gary got gobbled up by am mongus straight away uh Dean and Karen went on to Rally uh so really Dean stayed a bit longer Dean Dean stayed when did they move to like 85 maybe they moved to Rally so maybe they were 84 on rally the whole
Year and I don’t know if you remember but Dean Karen and Gary were racing like a sort of frame that looked like a road frame it was so those those frames were made by a company called TJ quick Tommy quick um who was a frame builder in
Southeast London and uh and Gary Gary just took like a BMX frame up there to copy the geometry and it was made of like 531 all Philip braced but you know crazy like looking back on it and it had the old had the old SCH curve
For I mean how they didn’t break I don’t know Dean Dean Dean loved that but so light so light and I think Karen’s like um special product division rally that was really similar to it in terms of geometry and build yeah so yeah there you go straight into Edwards crazy let’s
Uh flip through and talk about some of the in this you you got both you one we’ve already looked at Tran T dude another dude from go talking to Gary there you go there you go I mean that that photograph it’s uh is that brackens on the
Inside that is brackens it is yeah yeah Pete Pete on mongus Tim Tim looks like in the M motorcross Fox pants Jamie on Scorpion who’s this from the background where so what G Gary’s got your helmet on right is your name yeah so so Gary oh man give us a story
On this this he’s writing a TA an XL ta is he in between sponsors here then no Gary’s riding for hords fulltime getting paid in his jeans in his jeans not giving a [Â __Â ] I mean Gary you know obviously we now know that Gary you know I mean e
Even I mean even in this era here Gary had some serious addiction issues so obviously so there’s a little hot bed around around place called pen right pench Chris Young Andy young Warren [Â __Â ] Steven gy Wayne lell and Goan they all live within like half a mile of each
Other there was bets Park the sewage Farm Brian’s team Challengers which was Wayne Lan’s first thing and I lived a couple of miles away but we all we used to sort of ride together in this area and um you know Gary Gary had a very addicted
Personality and I I mean I can I can tell you like this is is this the race this isn’t the race he W is it no no that’s a different thing the race he W was like the following year when he got way he got banned when he pissed off the
Side and started triple it could have been the same year cuz it might have been two two races that year this is the international one Tommy won yeah that’s right they International and Inter National I mean to give you an idea of the sort of demons that Gary was dealing
With the year after when he won this and me me and Charlie and Gary were in Charlie’s Car leaving this event and we we’ barely pulled out of the event before Gary was in the back of Charlie’s Car sniffing lighter fluid like honestly he had some serious I mean you know he
Was on on one side I mean see see that scar across my hand right that’s Gary did that with a bread knife like in manan’s kitchen making sandwiches and and Gary was a sort of person that would just go I wonder what happen if I just
Like slice you with this knife and like he cut my hand I was like what the [Â __Â ] are you doing Gary now I’ve got go over to the hospital and have it stitched up but he would just do stuff to see what would happen so he had a really you know
He had a lot of mental health issues and obviously mental health back in the 80s wasn’t really a thing right I mean it’s only been a thing recently but yeah Gary had some serious addiction issues but what a talent on a bike absolutely yeah like Gary on a bike I mean also just
Think of the size of that bike imagine putting Gary on a bike back then that actually fitted him a limo or something I me that that that ta is an XL that he was riding I think by the time he got on Halford yeah but what would that have
Been a 20in top tube XL ta it wouldn’t have been a long bike would it I think G even said he was the most feared guy I know the words feared but GE light had a lot of respect for him just when you when you’ve got it’s it’s you know it
Doesn’t matter about B riding or anything when it comes down to it even at that level like it’s that straight line sprinting speed and he just [Â __Â ] was flat out faster than other people whether it’s cuz he was taller or longer legs or what flat out faster than people
But yeah that’s my and my gloves if you look at pictures of the worlds he’s wearing my helmet and [Â __Â ] he just he just never turned up and he’s battling with a world champion that year yeah he’s just never turned up ready to you know he was always like prepared no not
At all not at all you know never really trained you know training wasn’t even really a thing he just he just turned up and had had bags of natural Talent must be nice keep let’s keep turning yeah Chuck Robinson oh I know right let’s not go there no oh Winnie come on
All I miss did I maybe I’ve maybe I’ve I think yeah well look so this is oh I was about to say look at that look at that for a you know how strategically he’s bought all the magazines with him in that that is uh I mean that’s that’s
Actually my first big Cruiser race I did is this lower stff low International okay I mean apart from you looking pretty Factory I actually won that because Chris Taylor and Paul this was 14 to 15 Cruiser I was 14 Paul Clarkson and Chris Taylor were first and second
Was battl and they I think they took each other out and that’s how I got round them yeah but for for me on here you know I see a picture of Winnie and emotions just explode inside me Chris Carter behind him that’s my that’s my favorite era wion yeah yeah cuz it was
Age on the day okay and uh so car went up um but like Winston on Mongoose that’s my favorite like when I think of him like that’s my my favorite era like that when he was the older expert and and I guess lyns maybe but when he when
He then started battling against Andy for super class that’s my that’s my favorite you know obviously all them times riding when we first started riding but they’re my favorite favorite memories of Winston when he was on mongos I mean I I I was on the team like
A year after that so we were teammates but yeah I remember him JMC helmet on there right from when he was on he would have only just changed it I think he he might still the bike yeah yeah but look at it so Winnie um yeah I mean me and
Mom used to pick Winnie up and take him racing so for years we were you know in the car and and it would be the same it’d be the same every time pull up pull up outside his block mom would be like choot choot and he’d be like and then he
Come down like laughing lay you know mom’s like come on we got [Â __Â ] hit the road you know always lay like always messing about but always smiling laughing joking and what what an energy energ like what what a fantastic human being and sorely missed absolutely sely missed you know it’s funny those like
I’ve said before those first trips to Westway and meeting like him and Errol and Arnold like that was the first time that I’d seen like Arnold was I think I’ve told you before Arnold was the first time I’d actually seen in the flesh like what I considered to be an adult dude looking
Cool as [Â __Â ] on a BMX he didn’t ride very long then did he no no but mean what he did he was at Nationals for a while 82 I think he was ranked in I think he might have been even been like top 20 in
82 and he R 83 but yeah I mean he was you know just it was super cool like 6’1 6’2 like just yeah just was [Â __Â ] killer talk about Tom I’ve gone gone back a couple of pages got an advert with Tom got Tom on the cover there I
Would imagine he’s peppered in the other stuff as well deservedly so I mean Every Picture Tells a Story this Robinson had and a little cheeky smile Tom who’s probably then 16 it’ll be 16 yeah 16 uh obviously one of our but but my sort of inner circle of best friends in the
World and um oh I don’t even know what to start with Tom well 86 he in this well let’s talk about this era this was this was V start for me for me we start was the year before so he won 15 next where that was 886 oh yeah
Yeah sorry I’m thinking he won the Euros in Spain in ‘ 85 right yeah no no no he won the Euros in in but 86 when he was super CL yeah The Big Year the Europeans have V St with him in the final with seven other AMS or whatever and
Absolutely [Â __Â ] nailing them for me that was Tom I think that was Tom’s best ever race and he just looked Factory as hell smooth as silk powerful like the power I mean you know we’re talking about training like Gary never training I really trained Tom was a training
Animal I just wish he’ won the worlds I wish he’d won the worlds on that last so here you go I got trivia for you that I’m pretty sure you won’t get and it’s about Winston so between rainbow and Mongoose Winston flirted with riding for somebody like and and it was an offset
Of of a team and and I think I think the reason I remember it he’s 86 I think it is maybe did he actually ride a different bike I don’t know if he rode the bike so after rainbow but before mongus yeah Skyway no and I don’t even think he R
The bike or the gear I remember and I but I do remember because I’ve just seen his name in the results and and you might not remember remember sometimes they got that stuff wrong in the result yeah I know but I’m pretty sure I remember Winston talking to them and not
And then it not happening like he GT Wales remember that GT Wales Chris simm for I think so and what’s his name um Rob Hill not Paul Gray not Paul who the the the shorter shorter blackheaded guy who went pro on the end or right yeah I
Think he I do remember GT Wales that’s so nuts he I know but I think he spoke to him for like you know we but this is this is crazy this is the the the double I think this is the double one where it’s the the swep series but then it’s
Also the international yeah cuz I think one was it was a whole weekend both I think I think there’s a national after the international damn Tristan T got second in Cruiser there’s no justice in the world yeah but Cruiser doesn’t count for we’ve already discussed that it still
Hurts yeah amazing see these these damn Simon blink beat Anthony H and Neil Simon blinkon won the British championships two years in a row 85 and 86 he was good amazing you know this this time right it’s it seems that everything got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger going
Towards slow and then as soon as slow was done it just everybody was just yeah everyone was gone like I think it was the signs were there it was even starting to happen before then but you didn’t know everyone was looking forward to the world so much dude
Whoer I he he um it’s funny he youngest guy in a race to jump the dollars Cruiser Cruiser final yeah he um didn’t Wayne jump Wayne jumped him in practice not in I don’t think he jumped him in a no I think you’re right yeah I um man let’s touch on a few
More D I can’t believe I’m not in the results anywhere somebody I wanted to uh was it I have a pi some of these another picture of you D Darren stock we don’t talk about him too much thoughts on him crash or win I mean he was Tom’s rival
That year in ‘ 86 for the super class title I mean I I I mean he was he was so quick you know for me you know that sort of stiff back style he he didn’t look great on a a bike but F bloody was quick and
He was pretty he was pretty smooth he just sort of had that kind of kind of muscle muscle riding sty was one of the first people who actually hit the gym and made himself powerful yeah like he was the first person who was who I to heard talking about bench presses and
[Â __Â ] like and it’s and it was obvious when you saw him when you saw him on the gate like you know apart from from Steve bigland he just rode away from that age group like you know every time well open superclass he looks like he looks like
He’s in front of Scott Clark isn’t it is that Scott Clark could be our German there’s a German Red Line team it could be yeah oh Scott Clark was on Robinson I don’t you man Charlie there Charlie Reynolds there he is team Edwards yeah well there he looked like he was sort of
Privateering it there it is no no there he was on DP DP cuz he’s got some cool kit pants so was riding for DP uh you know where American football sh right that’s what I used to R yeah where where can I start on Charlie you
Know one of one of the funniest people you’ll ever spend time with a genuinely decent human being I feel like he could I I I it’s a it’s a crying shame he was never on like TV or something I think he you know was uh personality such a personality but the thing with
Charlie is he’s got no off switch right it’s just bang bang bang bang bang bang bang and that’s amazing if you can put up with it but on a bike bloody hell I think I think he’s underrated you know like with the when we talking about Hall of Fame
Stuff like that I know his sort of names popped up as sort of like jumping and stuff like that but you go back to like 84 Cruiser and 20 in you know he was he was one of the best Riders out there you know I remember him racing Wigan on his
24 in uh VDC with like one and 38 yeah 241 and 38 so you know quite Innovative in like trying different stuff on the bike um I think he was fast he was smooth he looked great great personality but you know what he’s just you know you look at him like today on
Social he’s got time for everybody Charlie he’s a thoroughly decent human being and and I wish that he I wish that people like him and Wayne and Gary had gone on to do bigger and better things in BMX you know know coming out to yeah VDC changa Super Test you know Charlie
Was probably you know VDC one of one of edc’s strongest assets globally in terms of like getting people on the on the bikes right are young Dylan Clayton on mongus yeah a young Dylan Clayton I mean look you Dylan Charlie some of the best riders in the world h i did again again
Thoroughly amazing human beings everybody on here just you would you would spend you know if you were stuck in a you know in a plane for 12 hours talking to any of these people it’d be it’d be fantastic great caption Dale Holmes there’s no more radical Rider on
The circus it’s funny it’s funny cuz I wouldn’t call you a radical Rider at all yeah I don’t know if that’s true D Holmes there’s no more sneakier Rider on the circuits um I mean we you know what we probably don’t talk about you enough
No I don’t want to talk because yeah but that’s the thing right you don’t talk about you you don’t want to be in Hall of Fame and everything else but you you know you’ve probably achieved more than all of them like you know what you’ve done out here and what you still do
Today and you know the you know Elite World Champs and stuff like that you you’ve probably done more than anybody maybe there should be a whole separate DS no let Turn the Page moving on thank you C I appreciate you saying that I uh I always I always go with the
Uh I always go with the uh about Frankie I never talk about him much and uh Tony let’s talk about Frankie yeah uh again another for me you know you meet like I just you know the Malin Trev Robinson and Pat Robinson came the Melvin and I
You know I haven’t seen Trev Robinson since bam Wheels 83 or whatever right and I and I was like wow you you used to be so tall but it the reality was I was 12 the last time I probably saw him yeah um but Frankie similar vein gentle giant
Like super nice guy always again Frank you Winnie always a big smile on the face and Errol never too serious but when the gate drops [Â __Â ] stops then they get down to racing but yeah Frankie I thought was I thought he was a awesome person a great racd right as well yeah
Road for mrd I mean here is in Robinson gear I don’t remember that was kind of at the end when he was Pro so he was on mrd before that Tim had him on mrd for a long time yeah I um this is we were
Talking about the the the V St with Tom and uh and the worlds that year that’s that’s in this one it’s crazy man looking at like some of that photograph of Dylan a great photograph of Dylan is so iconic just winning the title and it’s uh there’s the photograph of Dean
Getting disqualified look at that the photograph of Dean getting getting place last his mom has to come over and tell him he’s place last at that point and then Karen after she got overtaken by Sher Elliot oh Karen had some oh twice misses right twice in a row like it’s uh
I mean it’s bad like when you look at Joe like getting joe eord getting second second second like that must be a heartbreaker but to be leading both years two years in a row leading all the way and then somebody overtaking you and when you think OT well and Sarah Jane
The two people the two people the two people who overtook her are literally two of the fastest women to ever have raced you know so I didn’t see it but sherel was there the weekend did you see that I heard him I heard him announce he
Was there yeah look at that photo that’s crazy that’s that’s awesome like the fact that it’s David over there but then that that shot of everybody at the I’m sure if you zoomed in and went through all them there’s some you know so many people from the uh from the old BMX
Scene isin’t it amazing how like that really was the peak there it is there’s that photo of Tommy look at the crowd there oh dude look at the crowd there but he was he was my favorite back then and I still I’m lucky enough to still
Talk to him now but I uh that was the first time EC had come to England and he was just dude undeniable didn’t matter whether he had the whole shot or didn’t have the whole shot it just didn’t matter and it didn’t matter who was in
Front of him it didn’t matter whether it was another American or some super powerful European didn’t matter just it wasn’t going to be like it just wasn’t going to be beaten yeah him him versus Charles Townson would have been a good race that it would have been Town him
With a whole shot I don’t doubt about it but I uh you’ve got some nice photos in there there’s Dean behind Andy wsh and Ryan L LLY winning a presentation from the 86 World LLY Emma crew in third hey you know what that photograph there like anybody who’s voting for Hall of Fame
That photograph there says a lot let’s talk controversy Pro lineup we can see the pro main there Charlie Gary Eddie King Hollywood uh Gary Sean Texas and Tommy Brackins Pros didn’t race the pros didn’t race because oh man I don’t even know if I want to open this kind of worms they
Didn’t they didn’t race because Gary was banned by the P for doing whatever for being Gary you know and uh and they didn’t race how do we all feel about that I’ve got I mean I’m I’m happy to put my head on the chopping block first
They should have raced yeah I think they let I think they should have raced I think they I think a dispute with Gary should have been parked for the good of the sport yes cuz cuz those cuz those people that came they wanted to see the UK Pros race against the American pros
And I and I think it was a cry and shame for everybody that attended including the pros it didn’t race that we didn’t put on the spectacle that we could have put on because of I get there’s a principle in it but I think sometimes
You just got to say for the greater good let’s park that and then come back to it you know I feel I always feel like it it could have been such a better world championships and and I think I think in because of that maybe the pro class at
The worlds is kind of overshadowed by a lot of the other stuff that was maybe better because there was a lack of Pros racing a lot more a lot more focus on the amateurs because of that yeah and super like Tom Tom was uh Tom was the
One that everyone was watching he just won Theos and he was the highest class yeah but I mean with Tom being super class but but with us only having Gary and Charlie and pro like that was the that was that as the racing was going on
It was like that was the last massive point of excitement for the English fans even though you had a thir third Pro main after Tom me and you have talked about it if they had raced um G was still somewhat injured or he wasn’t 100% he got hurt
Hounds we we talked about it once where if gu was healthy and they did race where they would all feature and I think we put gu in maybe third I think we said right yeah I think maybe maybe I don’t know about Shan Texas Shan Texas was so
Powerful and so strong but I mean I think I think Ellis and uh brackens were probably were probably ahead of everybody except for maybe G on a good day so G would have probably yeah third or four third depending depending I mean that that track as well is a real is is
A is a power track really when you look at it set up there me Tim was still pretty powerful back then yeah I just maybe maybe not at his Peak but Tim Tim might have still been to mix it up and Jamie Vince might have been probably Tim
Like it might SC field was reigning world champion from Super class years before so good G don’t think he oh I don’t know it’s hard to tell when when like when there’s two English people and six Americans you know the bias is one side but if there had been like six
Americans and 20 English people it would have been a lot different cuz you makes CU you and making the final would have been harder so you would have had more English in there it gets mixed up a little bit Yeah but like it’s it’s a shame though it is a shame that that
That never uh that never happened amazing that it would end up coming to that you know and not like you and me said as well like if that had been me it would have taken a lot for me to not I would have tell it would have taken a
Lot for me to not race and I understand everybody everybody’s stuck to their principles and I think maybe the problem was I think everybody thought there’s no way that they’ll do what happened there’s no way they’ll just let two English people race they won’t do it but they did and I think I
Think the final thing was they told the they told them you can race if you want it but they just they pulled out final thoughts Clive on this one what on the pro situation oh just on this video oh um which ones we did we missed out
There’s loads here I mean just I’ve just looked here like Cox Moore’s in here with like Su you know when he was over here racing and uh that’s one of that’s one of the I love that I love that picture of Pete I think I think Pete was
One of the most frory Riders his bikes always died his gear was always died he always had the latest [Â __Â ] that’s why Dylan ends up looking like he I know cuz Pete as a mentor yeah but Pete for me was always and he had that great pedaling Style again another I think
Another massively underrated Rider and I know that last year kind of like Hall of Fame wise like uh you know not taking anything away from Alan but Pete Pete was my choice I thought it was well I thought it was down to either him or Alan it both equally both equally I’ve
Really I’ve really shared my thoughts about Pete I uh I I didn’t really yeah I didn’t really like uh not didn’t really like but I didn’t really gravitate towards towards Tim or or Andy at that point but Pete spoke when he spoke he sounded just like my
Dad’s mate like he sounded exactly like them and I think I had that Affinity towards him and because he was never he was never the favorite where people were like dude Middle’s going to win today like I’m maybe one of those Pro races later in in the year where he he won on
Motors and stuff but he was never really the favorite going into the final but like he won the First Progress didn’t he he won the first I think he won the first race race the actual first BMX raceing yeah and you know it’s uh I I never really I never really especially
Andy I never really felt that Affinity towards him but Pete and Pete was Peter just left Mongoose when I got on he just left for ASR I got to ride one of his old uh like the uh the orange super Goose but yeah he was he was my favorite
Out of all of them but but full Factory everything was always dialed not taking anything away from Andy or Tim but Andy you know the wonky Peak and front break yeah fast forward you know yeah nerd yeah Me Andy was I mean Andy let’s face it Andy was the original Superstar like
Early ‘ 80s yeah you can’t deny that he was unbelievable but like mid 80s when he was on rally and stuff like that I don’t ever think his sort of like bike or his gear like Pete always looked like an American sort of super Factory Rider
And uh and Pete you know Andy never quite had that same kind of Pete had stuff Pete had stuff that was so trick that you didn’t realize until you actually sat on his bike he had the rent bars that actually had a back sweep yeah like he had a pair of rful bars
That had the same back sweep as star bars whereas everybody else was riding These rful Bars that had like two degre back sweep they literally felt like they were on backwards they were horrible but his rent full bars W like that all right last thoughts favorite pro Pete Milton
UK Pro from from back from back in that area from back then yeah Pete 100% And and like Paul said totally approach ball and you know it was just it was just like really relatable I think maybe we put Tim and Andy on too much of a pedestal because they were the original
Kind of superstars and you know I remember the first time Tim ever spoke to me and you know it he it was at LOF and you remember the Dutch came over with the oval chain Rings yeah and and um you know Tim was Tim was very good technically with equipment like
Identifying Trends and wanting the latest stuff and uh and Tim was walking around the paddock at low stof trying to find a spider to put his chain ring on his cranks and you know I was only like I don’t know 14 or something I was like
Oh Tim I’ve got a spider in my in my tool box and I lent him I lent him a spider the first time I spoke to Tim March and like meeting you know say like you shouldn’t meet Heroes like meeting Tim was pretty cool and then a couple of
Nationals later he gave me a plate you know had to badroom for it but I eventually got it but yeah meeting Tim Randy was a big deal whereas I felt like Pete was like more like one of you more relatable yeah super cool dude to even
Into this day last year Hall of Fame had seen him for years massive hugs just really such a nice human I hope he wins this year I hope he hope he WIS yeah sounds good catch you Later For