Shimano Recall Fallout | News Show Ep.7

In this month’s news show we are covering the fallout from Shimano’s crankset recall. What has happened? Which cranksets are affected? And we answer your questions about cycling’s biggest product recall ever!

Elsewhere we dive into the first ever ebike motor from SRAM, that has an automatic gear shifting function. Are bikes becoming cars?

With the release of the Pinarello Dogma X, 2024 Giant Defy, and the Specialized Rouaix SL8, we look at the resurgence of the endurance bike. Wider tyres are becoming the norm, does this mean they’re becoming gravel bikes?

Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:25 Cycling’s Biggest Ever Product Recall
04:38 Bikes Going Automatic
08:22 Are Endurance Bikes Just Gravel Bikes Now?

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NEW SRAM Powertrain eMTB Motor | Future Of Cycling Drivetrains?
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THESE Are The Fastest Road Bikes in 2023
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NEW 2024 Giant Defy | What’s Changed? + First Ride Review
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The Gravel Rider’s Choice? Specialized Roubaix SL8 First Ride Review
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BAN Gimmicks From Bikes! News Show Ep.6
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The Pinarello Dogma X
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Hello and welcome to this month’s news show we’ve got a packed show with plenty to discuss from The Fallout of Shamano crank set recall yes and we’ve also got a tech development that makes your bike like an automatic car and a steady moves towards gravel of the humble endurance

Bike there’s a lot to get through so let’s start with problems for Shimano we will start with one of the Year’s biggest stories in the cycling industry if you didn’t already know Shimano has recalled a number of its crank sets with 2.8 million units affected globally this is a global recall of some of shimano’s 11-speed holch Road crank sets with more than

760,000 affected in North America alone the United States consumer product safety commission says the recall applies to cranks over an 11-year period from January 2012 through August 2023 3 after a reported 4,519 instances of crank sets separating there have been some questions from you our viewers and as ever some of you have

Provided some let’s say excellent ways at looking at this before we take a look at those I just want to give you the basic facts if you have not seen them yet so firstly we’ll pop the affected cranks on the screen now uh the recall affects both crank sets specs on

Complete bikes and aftermarket uh so if you bought some cranks just alone then these are affected too y inspections will be done up participating local bike shops North America is the first for inspections and those should have started already Europe and the rest of the world should follow soon consumers

Whose crank sets show sign of bonding separation or delamination during the inspection will be provided a free replacement crank set from Shimano that the dealer will professionally install and the replacement cranks will come from shimano’s 12-speed ranges now some of you have asked about cranks that

Failed before the recall and that was a question that I had as well well prior to shimano’s announcements cranks that failed out of their original warranty period may not have been replaced this may mean that many riders were forced to purchase new cranks neither of shimano’s statements includes details on whether

These Riders who have previously replaced crank their own expense due to a failure would be in line for new crank sets or some other kind of compensation we asked Shimano for an answer and they told us that if a rider still has the effective crank set it

Will be considered as a new case and can be taken to the dealer for inspection if it has been discarded however Shimano won’t take any action then if your cranks are affected by the recall but are deemed safe to use by the professional dealer you won’t get a

Replacement I don’t know how you feel about that Tom but I’m not sure I’d be really reassured I’d certainly be inspecting my own CS regularly if not changing them just in case many of you have also asked why Shimano has waited for so long given this issue has been

Known about and reported on by several media Outlets including us for a number of years we asked Shimano why they issued such a large scale recall said they monitor any warranty issues that arise with all of their products Unfortunately they followed that up by saying that they are not able to go into

The specifics of the process and timing with the authorities this is one of the main issues with the whole situation there has been a lack of clarity that has left many of you at home as well as us with some questions but at least some

Of you can see the ligh as side yes I did like this particular comment Checkmate Shimano I bought Sora built like a tank and then there’s this one from Kevin good thing I can only afford tagra Tom you’ve been a bike mechanic and I’ve been a bike mechanic as well

How many of these cranks have you seen cuz I’ve only seen one in the past yeah if I recall correctly from my memory I think it was five that I saw in my time at a retailer and that does go back quite a while in my case as well I don’t

Know when your example was Liam but several years ago yeah so we are both intrigued as to why Shimano have only just issued this recall but we’d love to know more of your thoughts so let us know down in the Comments while Shimano was having a very bad time samam has launched an ebike motor that makes your bike like an automatic car now I bet you’ve got lots of things to say no idea what you mean I’ve never had any opinions on electric bikes or cars either seriously though putting my ebike

Prejudices aside Eagle powertrain is definitely going to make some waves it’s shrams first motor and perhaps surprisingly I was certainly surprised by this it’s teamed up with an existing motor manufacturer rather than going it alone yeah so they’re using a Bros motor which is similar to specialized I

Believe yeah absolutely so if you already have a specialized turbo ebike you’ll be familiar with the motor and the top tube display is very very similar too so while it is similar to the specialized unit it does does get a unique tune to Shram so it packs more

Power at 680 WS of peak assistance versus 565 wats of the specialized version Peak torque is the same at 90 Newton met and Battery capacities are 720 W hours and 630 W hours while there is also the option of a 250 W hour range extender available separately if you want to know more

About the motor then be sure to check out our launch video but Liam I want to talk to you about how we interacts with shr’s transmission as you alluded to that seems like the biggest thing for me now I don’t want to spoil Alex’s excellent video but he seems to think

That Bosch is still the motor of choice now as an entire ebike powertrain though samam has got it covered better than pretty much anyone else haven’t they really in Alex’s own words he does think that if you were to isolate the ebike motor on its own then Bosch still has

The edge in terms of its power delivery and power but overall does seem to think that powertrain is a better system overall does have the auto shift feature as we’ve alluded to so that will shift you automatically between gears and Coast shift as well which is actually

Similar to link Glide di2 Liam which I think you’re fairly familiar with with di2 things I do like a bit of di2 but what I want to come back to Tom is how is this like an automatic car is this literally going to change gears for you

You yeah absolutely so using an array of sensors on the bike it will shift gears for you it’s a very very clever system you can fool it though which we had a few times while we were filming and Alex had while testing so if you’re going bombing downhill and then you suddenly

Get to a steep incline back up you’ll go to Power into it and normally I mean I certainly would I’d stay in the change gear and up my Cadence but in this situation it will change into a harder gear for you so where is a human in

Control of the drivetrain would go oh I just want to keep it in this gear powertrain will shift into a harder gear for you and while you can’t override that it’s not fully automatic so there is still a semi-automatic thing in there but it is definitely an interesting

Development I certainly see this being massively popular with people that just want to hop on a bike and go across town maybe they’ve got a couple of hills in the way they want the assistance of the motor but then they don’t really want to deal with changing gear and all of that

Stuff so they just pedal it can’t be any simpler really but until we can really you know sort of as I allus to in the video until we have a bike that can actually read the trail ahead of you and act in the way that a human would it

Might not be perfect every time for experienced Riders but certainly for newbies as Liam alludes to could be a great system to try out so once again let us know your thoughts in the Comments now moving onto endurance road bikes and road race bikes are a bit long and low for many of us so endurance bikes have long been a popular choice for club and recreational cyclists I mean they’ve always offered the feel of a road bike with wider tires and a

Slightly more accessible position but the latest generation of endurance bikes have in my eyes at least strayed dangerously into gravel bike territory yeah I’d have to agree I mean recently we’ve seen new bikes from specialized giant Pinella with the the ru sl8 the defi the Dogma X offering tie clearance

That we’d have seen previously on gravel bikes just a few years ago in fact specialized is openly admitting that with front suspension and flex built into the rear end their gravel Racers will likely be choosing the rub Bay for some gravel events in the future now as

A fan of comfort and a user of full length mud guards I love seeing all of this space but big tire clearances do have an effect on the geometry which Chang is how the bike handles um Tom what does adding bigger tires do to the way that the bike handles well if you’ve

Got a bigger tire the main difference is going to be in the fork clearance and also in the rear end of the bike as well so to fit a bigger tire in you physically need more space so the fork has to be longer which means the front

End is higher the rear end also has to be longer to accommodate that so it is going to slow down the bike’s handling so you’re not going to have your sub you know thousand mm wheelbase on some of these bikes with these bigger tires I I

Guess that makes it for Road riders that might make it a bit slow in terms of the handling if you are used to a road race bike but if you are someone that just likes chilling out for a few hours on your ride then this is going to be a

Nice relaxed ride isn’t it yeah definitely so it’s not going to feel as sharp on descents or in tight twisty sections where you really want to flick it from one qu to the next but if you’re like me and you as well Liam when we

Just want to go for big long days out in the saddle you don’t want to go crazy fast it’s just nice to have that bit of extra stability you can sit back a bit relax enjoy the view enjoy the good British Countryside so yeah these bikes are definitely popular for a reason and

Like we said you can even stray onto gravel as well I would say though Tom I think endurance bikes have actually been released from their shackles a little bit cuz these days they don’t have to be race ready in terms of the UCI for road racing because the teams are using their

Regular road race bikes for like the cobal classic so it has kind of allowed Brands to be a bit more inventive with their insurance bikes cuz they’re not you know hemmed into what the pros want no definitely I mean Pros are using 28 mil rubber now for racing the which is

Well yeah and the rest even bigger sometimes which is what used to be The Preserve of the endurance bike so those lines between Road Race endurance are blurred so it seems pretty logical to me that the grounds between a gravel bike and an endurance bike would merge I mean

I had a Genesis Dayton which was one of their first gravel bikes which came with 32 mil Tire as a standard you know and that was considered a gravel bike back then I mean definitely an interesting move in the right direction I would say that there is still a clear difference

Between endurance road bikes and gravel bikes Tire clearance for Two Plus in tires on some gravel bikes for example is is the absolute def ining feature of some of those bikes there’s also the slacker positions for better off-road handling lower gearing to kind of winch yourself up those off-road climbs and

Also additional mounting points for carrying all sorts of bags and snacks yeah you’ve got like Fork Mount SL yeah all the snacks cake or waffles in Felix’s case um but yeah we’ve seen one by gearing a lot more on gravel bikes as well and while we have a whole separate

Video on why one by gearing should be kept to off-road bikes on the road it’s still not really a thing but obviously massive in the gravel world so still a couple of differences between the two that separate them out but the lines as ever with the bike industry are just bluring

More and more uh what do you think of this do you like the fact that all bikes are coming in sort of a grally road form or do you prefer to have your road bike your gravel bike your endurance bike your mountain bike all those nice separate things let us know in the

Comments below so if shr’s automatic shifting ebike motor has picked your interest then be sure to check out Alex’s excellent first R review video with the link just up here before you go remember to like And subscribe and we will see you next time I can get down off me soap box now