On this episode, Jonny teaches us about driving the very first Porsche; driving a weird Jaguar up the Goodwood hill; we plan a Jaguar XJS project car; why GM deserves more credit; why the new Mercedes SL is a flop; and why you shouldn’t buy a Fiesta ST; and so much more.
Jonny Lieberman is a longtime writer for Motor Trend, co-host of “Spike’s Car Radio” and “The InEVitable Podcast” podcasts, and co-host of “Head-2-Head.”
Recorded October 25, 2023
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0:00 Intro
3:04 Weight loss progress
10:45 Passenger drones
17:49 Not enjoyable cars
21:35 Vinny’s Alpina
23:40 What Jonny’s been driving Porsches
37:25 Synthetic fuels including eFuel
46:05 Shelved car technology
50:10 Salween Mustang prototype for sale
53:30 Roush engines
56:04 Vintage racing cars
58:00 Goodwood Revival
1:03:40 Jaguar XJS vs Vipers
1:18:02 Cars in front yards
1:22:00 Patreon Q&A
1:22:16 Elegant, but engaging coupe
1:23:19 Adjusting vent positions
1:24:30 Recent investments in ICE vs EV’s
1:31:55 Driving an old car on the freeway
1:34:13 Watch that feels like too much
1:37:27 Does GM innovate?
1:43:05 Sports cars vs hypercars
1:45:17 Car matching style of your home
1:48:26 Best Stock Porsche
1:49:50 High-end boutique car
1:51:35 New SL is a flop
1:53:40 Bourbon and Cigar combo
1:54:40 Sports car with terrible brakes
1:56:56 Fiesta ST with 85k miles
1:59:00 Jonny’s upcoming shows
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While but it’s our quarterly uh fight session SL therapy session and now he’s on the uh the weight loss train with me so I’m sure we’ll be comparing strategies it’s Johnny liberman in studio welcome to the smoking Tire podcast oh I’m all about rubber straps I
Love a rubber strap but I also love a deployant buckle yeah I need a little of both in my life I well so I got another Z I got um the Chrono and and I’ve never had that’s why I I said I challenge you
I s sent him a picture of it I said challenge you to give me a good rubber strap because I always go back to the bracelet yeah but just I think it’s cuz I’m well you’re hairy too but I just hate my wrist hair is getting pulled out
And some bracelets are really poorly designed and do a lot of yanking yeah so I just rubber straps for me is the way to go my thick aab hair resists the yanking better than your your your sof European asazi hair Jew hair that’s right oh what a topical thing yeah
That’s our Israel Palestine commentary for the show arm hair Showdown yeah yeah but uh yeah so yeah Mark Mark’s uh he’s he’s he’s he’s his whole team’s cool yeah yeah we just I got to get him on the on this game uh welcome Hey man nice to see you buddy
Good to see you how you doing looking looking good your program program’s going well I’m uh I’m down like many weights uh are you looking at a scale yeah do you need the scale no but I’m curious you know scale makes me mad I
Don’t look at the scale so I just got to like I I didn’t how do I put this like you know a lot of people like oh I started losing weight cuz I wasn’t feeling good I felt great I was you know I was 251 pounds fat I was feeling
Luxurious yeah like DJ remember when someone asked DJ Ked how come you don’t lose weight he goes I don’t lose I only win damn it I hate DJ K but I [ __ ] love DJ k no but it was like it was like it was really h i was a Goodwood it was really
Hot and you know you’re shiten and somebody was like dude you stink you know a female journalist friend of ours no way was it Lynn it was Lynn comment and um L um and uh I was just kind of like H and I I saw a picture and it was
Kind of it I like the picture except that I just looked really fat and then this dude will have I been there many many times if I yeah if I can shout out uh will Vargas uh he just reached out and he’s like hey man you’re looking
Kind of fat um I like when they do that that’s helpful yeah you glad you noticed yeah hey but he goes this is what I do he’s like I I I he specializes in men over 35 who travel and I said dude I’m like and he’s a nutritionist or a
Trainer or both both yeah yeah he’s kind of scrawny he’s like Zach size I don’t really trust him cuz it’s like oh you can do a lot of pull-ups and you weigh 160 lbs like that’s but it’s like those guys I see in [ __ ] Pilates I want to
Crush their skulls cuz they’re too goddamn good at it yeah but like you know he’s what I like about him is I’ll send him a video of me lifting something and he’s he’s not he’s not in it to make me feel good he’s like no that’s totally
Wrong do it this way yeah and I need that does he not come to the crib or work out do you work is he in laas so you don’t you do no workouts together but he’s got a very good app he’s got a lot of all kinds of stuff we
Have a meeting every week I send them pictures of my naked horrible body every week do you yeah I’m wearing boxers oh W yeah yeah yeah you know or archived they are only I better be nice to this guy that how’s the security of his server that that first week is it’s all
On Snapchat you see screenshot screenshot it’s a little vulnerable A little vulnerable but but I’m down like men over 35h travel.com is getting heavily populated actually it would just be like white bears polar bears polar bear yeah than polar bears.com yeah um seeking cu no um
But I’m down like over about I think this morning like like 12 13 pound that’s pretty good two months no no like five weeks but I think I’m I’ve lost more fat than that but I’ve been really I feel packing on muscle have you done the uh the analysis yet no he keeps
Bugging me to do that that’s actually the move that’s why I don’t like scales cuz they [ __ ] lie to you the Dex scan thing yeah when I the when I lost 100 lbs that time in 2006 and 7even and I went from 340 lb to 240 you weit 340
Yeah yeah yeah what yeah when I was 24 that’s enormous it wasn’t good I mean it it like dude I I [ __ ] bro well no he’s right it wasn’t but also like I hide weight so well I weighed 239 lbs yeah if you looked at my fat pictures
From well any of them but if you if you guessed my weight from any photo in history of me almost universally somebody would guess 30 to 40 lbs under the actual number 100% always but like when I yeah go what saved me when I did the 100 lb thing was weekly dexa scan
Because it was like okay well you lost three pounds of fat and you gained half a pound of muscle and this bit of water doesn’t matter and your bone weight is constant and it was so motivating because if it was just the scale I would only have that one bit of information it
Was crucial I’m not yeah I’m not not using the scale I’m just using the scale to like make sure you know like I’m not popping up you know what I mean that’s all it is and it and it’s fine there’s nothing wrong with the scale I it would
Drive me insane and I can’t do it I haven’t looked at a scale since March since my horrible physical where my doctor said whatever you’ve been doing for the last 3 years don’t do that anymore uh and but I’ve lost 4 in on my waist so my scale is my belt right and
My my belt is is happy with me and that’s what I’m saying whereas I my my weight loss is kind of down to like maybe like a half pound a week but I can tell my my pants are looser belt tightening you know what I mean but also
Like I’m just my strength is coming back yeah yeah um but traveling [ __ ] you up man so bad I’ve done three trips since I started the program and it’s just the diet and I mean I blew off a dinner at Ren Sport and I just went by myself and
I was like I’m going to get oh hell of it yeah and I ordered the hell it it comes on a plate of pasta and I literally ate the hit sucked down one Noodle and then put my napkin and mashed the pasta down and like shoved it ran
Out of rest a good move yeah I was like you know and then you know then you go sucked down a protein bar or something horrible but I was going to say the uh the weight thing the the looking being heavier than you look yeah so uh my wife
And I were on the boardwalk in uh in uh Wildwood New Jersey and they have those guess your weight and if if you know how it works they have a scale built right next to it they have a hang yourself one where it’s like you guess your weight
And then you just get in the news that’s it but but so I know how I know how that works my wife’s circus performer it’s all rigged I know anyways the way to DG it is you don’t stand where they want you to stand and then they they they can’t tell your weight
Cuz they have someone in their ear saying he weighs 222 PBS and they go 222 it’s a two person job huh yeah but so I didn’t stand on it [ __ ] Wizard of Oz [ __ ] yeah and at the time I weighed at like I don’t know what I weighed
Let’s say 240 and she guessed like 90 yeah I was like and I got on the actual scale and off by 40 lb no even if people like even if you look at like me at my thinnest you’d probably look at and go
Oh that’s like a like a 200 210 lb and I was 245 yeah and that’s like the light skinniest I’ve ever been but you can’t hide 340 no no nor was I at the time but if but if you like like if you looked at a photo of it then you’d probably say
275 or 280 sure just like that’s just like I’m I’m dense in there so [ __ ] I hide it well I I remember one of one of my favorite books uh or series of books is the American Trilogy by James Elroy and there’s this guy uh Pete um I think it’s
Bonder um French Canadian guy and in the book he’s like he’s absolutely massive 6’6 220 lb and it’s because 150 lb gu writing it 220 sounds really big 6’6 and 220 you’re like a sck that’s crazy you’re jacked and you’re like a running back or something back would be
61 and 220 you’re a stick true again skinny people have no concept of weight they don’t get it but it was it’s always bug me where he’s like 66 220 and it’s like uh no dud I uh yeah I’m doing a I don’t mean we’re the upcoming issue of
Road and track is uh I’m trying to do a story on uh Evo the electric vertical takeoff and Landing basically drones you ride in yeah yeah yeah we had a guy from Joby on the motor podcast and uh and so uh uh you know I was talking to their
Person today about which company they just renamed it [ __ ] who’s backing them Hyundai Toyota I don’t I don’t know okay it’s fine one of them so it’s a it’s an emerging trillion dollar industry yeah and it’s it’s it’s like personal toys at this point it’s very expensive you know
Personal drones that one person rides in but they but but I said you know about halfway through conversation I said you know I’d like to go up and what and and the person I’m on the phone with I have never met right never you know and I go
You know I got to ask what’s the weight limit yeah and she goes it’s 200 lb and I go well there’s not even a chance I was like I was like and she’s like oh what do you weigh and I’m like I don’t know but like best guess right now 260
Right and and she’s like yeah that’s not going to not going to cut it and I’m like I don’t even want to get close to the upper limit of this thing so I may actually have to like reassign the story to like Raph Oraf or someone like like yeah like someone little on
Our staff might get to go fly in this [ __ ] thing and they said I could do everything else I can use the Sim and like learn how to fly it I can visit their Factory and meet all the people and blah and see it flying blah blah
Blah but yeah hard hard 200 there’s this there’s this company Joby uh they’re in California apparently they’re going to put their Factory in montere or selenis or something like that and Toyota’s going to build the factory and ping anyways but yeah the guy was saying that
It’s going to be a four-person drone and I was like how big are these people he go well 800 lb I’m like so it’s a three person Dr you know four Europeans and yeah but it’s just I mean it’s you know this one Joby oh yeah so this one the
The Joby one looks like it it it do the motors tilt yeah yeah so it takes off vertically and then sort of turns into like a plane yeah so it can go 200 mil hour and the idea of this is Imagine like like an Uber where you want to go
Like downtown LA to Long Beach in 5 minutes and it cost you 100 bucks right the one that I was looking at was more of like almost like a flying uh I want to say motorcycle but it’s in it’s one person you it’s it’s a it could be
Transportation but it’s also kind of a toy this thing one one billionaire to play with so so the Joby model is it has a pilot you’ll never fly it it’s a pilot six um Motors so if like two go out can still land itself four batteries so if
Three fail it still has enough to like I take issue with the route they’ve done their car drive to JFK Airport look at this route they’ve gotten already I take look how these [ __ ] guys are driving a JFK right now they have tunnels that go under the river that animation look
That drive the JFK sucks balls but someone went okay what is the worst Poss how do get the farthest well cuz the problem is that it’s not far swing by Howard Beach on the way to J FK I mean the problem is it’s not far to JFK
Except it takes an hour and 45 to go 8 Miles yeah it’s the worst yeah I mean the Joby would still beat it in time oh yeah but they could be honest about the annoyance of going to JFK in this animation I mean look they’re they’re in
Montere what do you want but uh it seems like cool Tack and they’re claiming 2025 they should be showing from the quail to Laguna sea yeah exactly know your audience yeah well again like I looks pretty cool who this you say Toyota’s doing this Toyota’s backing them they
Have a ton of backers I mean you can you can dig into the website but like you know 200 M an hour means like LA to Santa Barbara in not a lot of time you’re cruising and if you have two people plus luggage that’s like and if
If that’s let’s say it’s two 300 bucks like hm you know that’s that’s an interesting thing yeah yeah if it’s like just if it’s cheaper than a helicopter way cheaper yeah that’s money and the other thing is unlike a helicopter they they have a whole somewhere on the
Website they talk about how um quiet it is but it’s like an order of magnitude quieter than a helicopter yeah cuz I I I learned about this the multi-rotor small ones are way quieter than the than a giant helicopter yeah and they had a whole you know reason why it was science
And all that good stuff I was like okay I you know but they they had a on this the guy showed me a video or that’s on the website where they they show like uh you know like a Cessna a Piper Cub a helicopter and then one of these and
You know they have same cameras it’s much quiet yeah 10 times quieter yeah so it’s it’s kind of cool I’m looking forward to ites I don’t yeah I don’t think we’re going to see quote flying cars anytime soon but drone you know technology applied upscale to something
That can carry a few humans is pretty awesome yeah and and you call it on your phone and the other thing is because they’re pretty light you don’t need to like reinforce uh a roof of a building so anywhere that kind noral roof that can hold an SUV suddenly now so many
Buildings have SUVs on their roofs I’m kidding parking garages and what your roof for instance if you wanted to you probably my roof could I had to [ __ ] reinforce my roof for if I ever wanted to add solar panels they made me pre- reinforce the roof you should had solar
Panels but it’s not I’ve done the math it’s not um you don’t enough it’s not that big of a building so it’s not really worthwhile well now you can land a now I can just paint a [ __ ] Target on there to go yeah exactly yeah guys
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Um Good Times so anyway cars um cars yeah how’s cars going they’re going cars are going cars are going cars are going I’ve uh I’ve enjoyed some I’ve not enjoyed others what have you not not enjoyed we talked about it last show but I had the the M8 competition last week
That I didn’t like so much yeah BMW can get the suspensions real wrong on full of rocks suspension was full of rocks if you look at the competition which is everybody else everybody else either has air Springs or Magna ride BMW is just we have steel Springs and you know just
Regular Dynamic dampers yeah and um x6m m5m uh comp comp um this one they’re they they’re they ride terribly they’re really it was brutal what is their what is their adaptive damper Tech is it just Val just a just a traditional one but but but I think it’s their they when
They go from an M5 to an M5 comp or an M8 to an M8 comp I they stiffen the Springs like crazy I don’t think the dampers really change that much but the I just think the spring rate are brutal yeah so it was that and it had those
Carbon buckets which in an M3 all right I kind of get it but in an M8 it’s like this is a big luxury car what are we doing here yeah I mean again if you live in Angeles Crest right when when it comes to I took this thing on a on a the
Hudson Valley road trip with Road and track which the roads were pretty good it’s funny you say that because last time I drove an M5 comp was you gave me the roads to drive in Upstate New York around Lime Rock how were the roads well miserable in the M5 comp like literally
Miserable otherwise they were great the AMG yeah but and when it comes to big BMWs I’m team Alpena all day every day have you driven the uh Alpena X7 whatever they call it xb7 X yeah drives beautifully did you know it has its own Tire spec yes literally like I mean God
Help you if you get a flatten that thing how many of those are they going to make globally to justify that spend I think it’s 2500 a year of for four years so that’s 10 grand so that’s 40,000 tires it cost I don’t know what 25 million to
Develop there’s no way they they come out of that on top there’s no way but they drive so good it’s ridiculous for for something that big it drives amazing and you’ve driven the regular X7 which is no offense BMW but garbage not great this is it’s amazingly better yeah as is
The uh the Maybach GLS also drives great wonderful car yeah yeah yeah I mean that car is so good like I’m so team alpino when it comes to Big BMWs all day every day cise and I years ago we did a head-to-head with um we had a uh um the
Grand Coupe so I guess the M8 Grand Coupe versus the Alpena B7 Grand CP whatever the hell called B8 no oh it would have been B6 Grand C B6 than you thank you yeah and um like totally liked everything about the Alpena better like from the interior to the power delivery
Like I think you know the the the the the the M was like it was M6 Grand coup but the M was like you know a quarter second quicker on a track or something meaningless but on the road oh all day all night so much cool and it had like
Three different shades of brown leather in the interior for no reason it was like it was like it was like latte with caramel it was perfect shout out to Andreas the [ __ ] oh there it is look there it is head tohe 2016 yeah look how look how nice that Alpena looks it was
Gorgeous it was gorgeous God help you curb one of those Wheels but other than that other than that other than that is delightful oh that was a that was God that was eight years ago almost Jesus and Vinnie my Vinnie my Vinnie have you seen his Alpena no he bought a
2011 Alpena B7 oh God off does the transmission work yeah yeah off of uh off of one of our clients here at the shop yeah for I want to say $110,000 sadly yeah and the transmission when it goes is going to be 15,000 maybe but it works fine now
And all-wheel drive um and it is delightful I’ve driven it around a bunch and it’s like really really nice so 2011 I drove that car on lagona sea and um that was the first time I encountered the bizarre nubby paddles that they insist on doing yeah they
Don’t do it anymore thank god oh they stopped they stopped they have regular paddles now and then it just the car just stopped on like between turns uh six and seven you know six in the Cor screw just like wouldn’t shift gears and and just stop going up the hill just
Powered off not a track car well okay so I’ve always been hesitant of that one but yeah they’re always lovely I mean alenas are 10,000 bucks dude 10,000 bucks that’s that’s a quarter of a new Camry yeah I mean if he if and if he bought you know any other
New car it would depreciate that much in the first year no that’s he he’s he he even Vinnie was like look I’m just throwing this money at the wall and seeing if it sticks dude but if you think about it like stuff like that like you know like s63s from that era earlier
Like they have no value and they’re wonderful you just got to find the one that works yeah get a PPI for sure and like could be you know it could go either way but Che the but he was just like you know what I’m going to roll the
Dice on this [ __ ] thing and that’s such a Vinnie car the wheels are worth like six I was going to say the wheels might be worth 12 yeah like if if the whole [ __ ] if the motor blows he just pull the [ __ ] wheels off and scrap
The rest of the car um that’s awesome yeah delightful delightful huge huge luxury car great seats um that’s good yeah yeah what have you been driving you know I’ve kind of like almost nothing like it’s been weird I’ve been I’ve been in my my truck um last new thing I drove
I drove the the sport classic uhhuh um Zach had a go in that I did not get to have a go I thought much better Zach see if I’m if I’m wrong or right but much better steering than I assumed it would have kind of a mediocre gearbox and felt
Like it it’s the seven speed right yeah but it felt like it could have a lot more power going to the rear wheels than it does oh yeah if you tune it I mean it’ll go to 700 it it felt fast but I just didn’t think it felt special
Because in terms of close your eyes and driving there’s they offer so many rear wheeel drive turbocharged cars you know but it’s a great place to store money I mean they’re not making a lot of them it doesn’t look think it’s that I I just
You know I drove a um a 911 GT s not long ago and that was it was it was that was a rear driver oh great pdk but um I to me it felt quicker to me it handled like if not similar like a little bit better even rear wheel drive GTS manual
That’s delightful yeah but this was this was pdk it just like it was we did a weird comparison don’t even I don’t know how it got put together I think both cars were yellow but it was the the NSX Type S versus the the GTS that’s a weird
Comparison it’s a weird compar except that the G GTS was quicker in a straight line rear drive quicker in a straight line than the NSX and and quicker on all of our testing really yeah and like cheaper weigh less like every Advantage a car is nice though it is a nice car it
Was it was what the NSX should have been for day one yeah yeah but it’s like objectively nice it’s good but again like it was it was like Scott Evans and I I think we’re pretty evenly matched up in the canyons like we were running whoever was in The Portrait just ran
Away it wasn’t even like close it was like I can’t see you anym I’m going to slow down maybe you crash type thing um and so I I don’t know I guess I was just hoping I don’t know I was pretty cynical about the sport classic cuz I’m like the reason they’re
Dayun detuning it day tuning detuning it is because any more power in the transmission blows up because it was never designed to take that much power um and like a Turbo S who’s ever driven one have been like if only I could get less power yeah I the thing about you
Know they’re all the turbocharged cars now at some point Point i’ I’ve told everyone who asks to like skip the Turbo S just get a GTS rear wheel drive you’re kind of right there you’re kind of right and then if you get the GTS all-wheel drive you’re kind of basically where the
Last gen turbo was anyways yeah yeah no 911 is in a weird spot where it’s like it’s hard to really think of legit competition for him yeah um anyway the other pors I drove uh was the first Porsche oh yeah yeah so that was that
Was a bunch of people got to have a little quick go in that is that is it it’s not a recreation it is actually the first the story man there’s more information like the 2020 election is simpler than than this story okay that car that I drove that that Lana drove
And bosome drove it yeah okay that car was registered was the first Porsche ever sold made registered June 8th 1948 guy in Switzerland who liked to go racing bought it yeah car disappears he’s driving it 550 spider comes out oh I like the way the 550 spider looks so
He starts modifying it he puts a big a on the back for Austria um 1957 a guy named Von Frank frankenberg Von frankenberg who Not only was the Porsche PR guy in 1957 but he founded Christopher magazine oh he Magazine’s been around since 50s I don’t
Know when he founded it but he was the guy who founded it he gets in touch with this Swiss guy he says I’ll give you a 356 Speedster if you give me that car back I’ll just do a swap and the guy’s like great yeah I have this Old Slow 30
Horsepower thing that I’ve been screwing around with Porsche gets this car back and sits there and they don’t know what to do with it cuz he’s modified everything about it doesn’t look like it did when it left the factory they have no money in 57 they have no money until
CNE comes out 2003 right you know what I mean so it’s just sitting there 2018 rport 6 70th Anniversary they go all right let’s get this car running let’s honor the modifications but since we have the blueprints let’s build a wooden buck and hand beat together a replica of
What the first car which is this one but it doesn’t look like that anymore what it looked like that car is in the Peterson right now yeah I’ve seen that one yeah doesn’t have an engine doesn’t move it’s a roller but that is exactly I think it was at Porsche Santa Clarita
For a while in the underground level as well Museum yeah so that car is a recreation the car I drove was the is the first Porche okay but it’s been but it was it remains as modified no that’s the tricky part is they took away a couple of the modifications they got it
Back to a point they liked it but what’s kind of cool is like it had like like a rear Grill at one point in its life just like all 356s had the guy got rid of it but with the way they did the Restorations is if you open up the rear
You can see where it’s welded in so they did kind of subtle stuff like that the a is still there yeah they left that um and it’s it’s Mid Engine which means that it’s such a horrible cramped it it would never would have worked as a car
Porsche would not be Porsche if they they built this car but they never built any more like it right it’s it’s if I had to guess uh Before the War uh uh Porche and his kid were working on it was going to be a Mid Engine V10 car it
Was it was like type 74 I think it was called and they had done a lot of work and and the body was going to remember that thing it was like the um it it was the thing with the little canopy thing yeah it was 1939 the real Streamliner Center
Seat yeah the center seat thing yeah so that that was just a that was a bug chassis with this body but that body was supposed to go into a Mid Engine thing that was had a V10 okay okay never happened War uh Dr Porche was busy um
So sorry I got to say it that’s why uh yeah you got to say it anyhow um and so I think when they started up in Gund you know they initially started working on a mid-engine project and then quickly said a mid-engine car is for a society that
Hasn’t been bombed a Hellen back people with money that’s not what we’re going to do a rear engine car we can still say it’s Beetle related You’ got put family it it could be used as a regular car packaging advantages Mid Engine car is a luxury item so they they they I think
They started they you know they sold everything they could sell because they’re a brand new company and that’s the story of that car yeah folks just a quick break for today’s sponsor electric bikes not electric bikes even though that’s what they are but I’m talking about electric ebikes right not electric
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Modified Beetle okay which it kind of is surprisingly good breakes they had the route really penned in like they they they had cops front and back you know I did a couple where I let the camera car get ahead and you know race but you know
It’s 30 30 horsepower yeah but I was just like you know wow I’ve really kind of made a career for myself you know I was having thoughts like that like I remember I remember back when I couldn’t get Subaru to give me a car now me you
Know so but it it it was cool some it’s it’s a pretty little car it’s gorgeous yeah it’s gorgeous and it’s obviously Priceless well it was funny so I I talked I ran you know fdie Porsche the great-grandson so I ran into him who I guess was just on Ben Climer new podcast
Yeah he’s a big we had him on uh on spikes he’s a he’s a big watch guy actually really cool guy really cool guy but uh I said something to him about it and and I’m also conflating this with like many other Germans I spoke to at
Rport but he they were like unlike Mercedes we don’t sell our Priceless Treasures you know I was like low blow yeah I’m like cuz is some what if someone offers them a100 million 140 million 130 million EUR I think yeah I you know it’s funny I I ran
Into not ran into I was on a a rally with um um I get his name wrong F he he’s an Executive Vice President of Mercedes who’s the guy who sold I should get his name right okay um he’s a guy who sold the anow coupe one of one of
The two anol out coups for €1 130 million and I said to him why the hell did you do that and he said we have two um we also damn it I got to get his name it doesn’t matter it doesn’t matter I can see his face we have guy Marcus name is
Marcus um we had two we were also tasked by you know diim corporate of like we need to have a scholarship program for underprivileged uh young people to become Automotive engineers and needs to be funded well guess what would fund it in perpetuity would be $140 million and
We have to I’m sure the person it went to um there’s a clause that says I read that that says they’ll they’ll lend it back for events and all that kind of stuff also when this person dies like Mercedes has the right to reacquire or maybe even it goes back to Mercedes yeah
Cuz he’s dead Le it’s $130 million lease yeah but they have two and and you know so so and you know it’s like okay so the one there’s one well look that’s not the first ever Mercedes no it’s a it’s a race car that never race it wasn’t a
Race car it was a street car that was never sold yeah I mean it’s a it’s a it’s a running rolling concept car basically yeah like all right fine [ __ ] sell it yeah and that and that was his Martin’s Point was that like you know everyone gets so caught up with a
Going he’s like you know mer Mercedes was around for about 60 years before the going came out we did a lot we a lot more history yeah now what’s interesting about the first Porche is the first Mercedes doesn’t exist the first Ferrari doesn’t exist despite what the Peterson
Says doesn’t exist first Chevy first Ford why why does why does the do you say the first Ferrari doesn’t exist despite what the Peterson oh the Peterson has a replica of the first Ferrari that not a genuine car it’s a replica it’s not the first Ferrari
That’s gone I think it was raced and crushed or destroyed I didn’t real but [ __ ] claim it’s the first Ferrari they well if you if you say Point black they’ll say no it’s a replica but like on social media they’re like first Ferrari but like so so this first Porche
Is really cool cuz like you know there’s very few companies that have the first of anything and they and they just happen to get it back because some employee knew a guy so it’s kind of a crazy story but yeah it was it was cool
It was cool yeah it’s a neat story yeah good story sure I mean it’s pretty neat that I mean not that everybody gets to drive it but they brought it out for a few people to drive well and they they brought it out and and the reason they
Brought it out besides Ren sport was it was filled with their e fuel so oh that’s yeah that’s the thing but all the things every Porsche at Ren sport owned by Porsche was running on E Yeah so well they can afford to spend $100 a gallon
Or whatever it’s a lot more than that is that more for now I mean you know they I want to get a couple Drums of that [ __ ] Harry meta’s using the is that the carbon neutral vintage fuel so so the the POR e fuel yeah so all this stuff so
Long story short I think it was like Exxon in the70s invented a technology called methanol to gasoline so as long as you have methanol there’s a way to with electrolysis or I don’t know some something turn it into gasoline it’s known it’s been around for 50 years um
So what what Porsche is doing with it is they okay in Patagonia they have basically endless wind so endless free energy and no human beings and no way to get the energy anywhere well what if you took the energy and liquefied it well how do you do that all right you take uh
Carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere you mix it with hydrogen and that creates methanol you convert that to gas you put it on big ships and sail it around the world and here’s your e fuel um and and again it’s carbon capture so chemically under a microscope this stuff looks
Exactly like gasoline like a chemist would not be able to tell the the hydrocarbons apart because it is gasoline uhhuh um it’s just that unlike taking gasoline out of the ground when you burn that that puts new CO2 in the air this tast takes CO2 was already
There so it keeps the level you know we we talked to this guy Carl Dums who’s in charge of the the Porsche e fuel program and he’s like look Porsche is going electric all cars are going electric however there’s 1.4 billion cars on Earth what if we could make them produce
Less CO2 wouldn’t that be a good thing yeah and would be there are yeah that and obviously the average lifespan of a car is like 15 years yeah and so even if a car is sold today and they ban a gas cars tomorrow you’ve still got quite the transition period
And you’ve got classic cars that are going to be kept alive for a hundred years and that was their point according to them they did no modifications to their Priceless first Porche ever and it ran just fine on E fuel because it’s gasoline do you know what the octane
Rating is it’s probably it can be anything you can make diesel out of it you can make and well what was interesting was he said we can make better gas there’s just no engines that can take advantage of it meaning meaning with less knocks and stuff like that we
Can make the octane as high as we want [ __ ] good [ __ ] but they said you’d have to then start developing engines but nobody’s spending money to develop new engines 15 to1 compression 15 150 to one you go nuts like combust but you know all R&D dollars is going to to EVS
So but anyway yeah it was that was cool um and and you know it felt exactly like a regular car in terms of the cuz it is gasoline it’s just gasoline just comes from a different place yeah yeah uh this article says that it’s 93 octane but
They can turn it up to whatever they want to be yeah cool yeah and they can turn it down they can turn it up they can do diesel they can do racing fuel they can whatever I wonder if you will be able to buy you know the higher stuff
In California if they’ll force them to make some garbage so this is interesting so I asked him I said so like is there like a Porsche gas station I can go to and what it sounds like it’s going to happen is no that’ll never really happen like what Harry’s doing with barrels
You’ll never yeah he’s having drums shipped to his house you’ll never get that as a consumer what they’re going to do is they’re going to partner with like Chevron and 76 and like replace 20% of the gasoline with synthetic gasoline that’s the plan because like they’re not
Going to compete with Chevron right um but so like can you make it would be sweet if they’d sell me a drum i’ [ __ ] drums Harry might have a special designation cuz he has a farm like you can have you know a fuel tank on your
Farm oh that be yeah that may be true I tried to order Drums of of VP yeah and it doesn’t seem to be regulated against it seems like I can buy that dude I bought when I when I did Pikes Peak I had to buy Drums of VP Gas yeah bought I
Bought I FG what it was 100 110 octane or something yeah it’s easy you pricey but oh it’s expensive as it’s a th000 bucks gu it is how much is a drum uh that said, 1300 I’m going to VP site to see 1300 for a 55 gallon mhm I was having this fight
With someone the other day they’re like what what did you what was this Pikes Peak money was was 60,000 I was like no $ 74,000 like on what I’m like I’m like in my mind I spent 5 grand on gasoline you know I don’t remember it’s $900 from
VP site I think I was looking at special gu divided what’s that divided by is it 50 or 55 54 54 gallons okay so that’s expensive as hell but that’s for what for 100 octane probably 110 or 110 110 okay that’s $16 a gallon yeah it’s expensive yeah it’s expensive all this
Stuff’s expensive yeah but so that seems to be Porsche’s plan and then they’re going to have a production facility in Patagonia they’re going to have one in Tasmania and then one in Houston um now the trick is you got to use green energy to make this stuff if you don’t then
It’s a total ways might as well that’s like the hydrogen thing right now yeah exactly right so but the problem hydrogen charging electric cars I mean thing you’re running off a coal like diesel there’s yeah that’s a whole another conversation but the the problem with hydrogen is you know in the US like
Most electricity it’s not from coal it’s like less than 20% natural gas so if you’re burning natural gas to make hydrogen doesn’t really wash right totally agree yeah so but that’s why they’re doing in Patagonia and then Tasmania and Houston I’m assuming a lot of wind and solar in Texas um and uh
That will be the for the the the the synthetic Porche field we get and by the way this is like 2027 yeah that will come from Houston and it won’t be that like you’ll go down transported across the ocean that probably knocks some of the yeah he we asked him about that the
Ship is also running it no we as look yeah ships need to get cleaner but even even if the ship is really dirty he he had the math and he’s like because it hauls 1.4 million gallons like it’s still a net good thing you know again I
Don’t have the math in front of me but but our stuff would come from Houston and you know it would be trucked out hopefully hydrogen and EV trucks who knows it’s all it’s all but that seems to be What Porsche is doing with their e
Fuels right which is cool it is cool and I as soon as I am able I will buy them and run them yeah I mean i’ I’d buy them now if I could well yeah and that was I I kept pressing on that like I don’t
Know if you’ll ever be able to do that he he seemed to be saying like well if there’s enough demand but he’s just like we’re just going to put it like if you have a Porsche exclusive manufactur automobile you should have you should get a special
Yeah I mean like so it’s like now it’s like can you get an allocation of a GT3 like can I get an allocation of 100 gallons look look you know Porsche guys is you are one but you know like if you could offer Porsche gasoline oh baby
Imagine imagine on bring a trailer it’s only run on Porsche gasoline exactly 4500 miles on exclusively Porsche brand but who pumped it was it a Porsche employee [ __ ] prove it bro the DME report says Porche pure gasoline yeah I think it would be a money maker for as
Oh I almost went as with a purity joke uh that I stopped myself I don’t know I should have gone I should have gone for it for it g for it it’s too late now I already called called the shot can’t do it um but I’m kind of excited for that
Actually cool yeah look look you know we we want less carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that’s Harry said his cars run great it’s chemically identical I that’s this guy Carl what he said was you put it under a microscope you get a train chemist with a PhD and you know
Hydrocarbons and they look at it and they go that’s a hydrocarbon that’s also a hydrocarbon it’s the same thing that’s so cool yeah and yet it somehow just emits different stuff no no it emits exactly the same and they can make diesel too yes apparently yes that’s interesting yeah again there’s this I
Don’t know anything about it I you can look it up uh methanol to gasoline is the technology and I believe he said Exxon came up with it uh you know when they were running oil reserves were running low in the 70s or OPEC you know everything so they they
Were like how do we get gasoline um and it’s just been this like kind of shelv Technology you know and that that happens with cars I mean you know you remember like like the Honda cvcc which was the pre ignition little mini thing well uh I think Audi actually
Came up with that it was like for a for a rotary and then they just they patented it and put it on a shelf because they didn’t need it and then Honda said hey let’s get ahead of This Clean Air Act thing we’ll do cvcc um you ever drive one of them yeah
My dad not only have I driven one my dad had one oh really yeah he had a Civic cvcc Yellowbird it was called um this in the 70s yeah uh that was so I came home from the hospital in a Buick but the other car we had was that Honda and um
And then I did a story from motor train classic I tracked down a yellow 7 I think my dad had a 75 and I tracked down a 76 same car uh and it was great I mean pretty nice put it back in production yeah they drove I drove one once and I was
Impressed it drove pretty nice the the craziest thing about that was it had a independent rear suspension uh and the reason was was they I guess they had a meeting and and Soo Honda was still alive and um you know they they were for to save money they were going to put a
Beam axle in the back but then there was an engineer who apparently like refused to get up from the table or refused to leave the room who said that it’ll be more practical even though it cost it would be more practical because with independent suspension you could have a
Lower load floor and you could fit more stuff in the back and hosi uh hosi was so taken by his passion that he said okay spend the money do independent rear paid off result it handles better too yeah and it’s just a killer little car that that was can you imagine like you
Know you remember American cars from 1975 well I remember that they that that car was able to pass smog without a cat that was because of the cvcc technology yeah which was like everyone was reverse engineering them but it also drove nice yeah drove great but again as far as I
Know it was it was a piece of Audi Tech where it was just it was a had a little cylinder that pre- ignited the fuel that led to a cleaner combustion yeah so like there’s less knocks and all that whatever catalytic converter takes out they were able to pre-burn it um it’s
[ __ ] cool that car oh so good yeah and they made a wagon are they collectible yet I mean they’re kind of right when I wrote that story this is going back for over 10 years um can you look on bring a trailer and see if any
Honda cvcc’s have I bring a trailer be $80 million I’m just curious I’m curious to what degree they are collectible but I think the guy said like you know for like a numbers matching one it was like 2500 bucks or something and they his brother labor of love yeah like I think
It was their story was like when their parents immigrated with them from wherever they came from like that was the only car they had you know they meticulously put it back together and and it was it was it was great it was super cool fun photo shoot we shot it at
Magic Mountain in the um like the Fairway oh cool you know with like the ring toss and everything oh wow here’s a is this reason oh from February 23 this is a nice there we wow 4,000 so this one’s a project that one’s a project is 9,300 what from February and then [ __ ]
That one is amazing looking this one’s from July 2022 it’s 34 G’s off and it’s a fantastic color yeah but that’s ridicul go down is it is it like low miles or something scroll down how many miles are on it 32,000 original miles I mean that’s that’s more than a dollar a
Mile [ __ ] that that thing is mint though look how mint it is I mean it would it would cost you $32,000 to find a nicer one than that uh let’s see one was sold well I can just pull up the results but one was sold a month ago and it was
Eight grand grand grand but then it goes like the nice ones are 27 30 34 15 kind of all over the place so it’s it it’s parallels of Fox Body you know you can get one for 10 grand but you want a great one you’re
Going to spend I would say a fox body is a little quicker did you see I just came up the uh the Proto the the Seline prototype SSC that they used for carb testing they used it as a press car it was 1987 Seline number one oh my God and
It just came up I don’t know it’s going to go for a lot but I’m it was very ex are there Seline fans yeah they’re very they’re very collectible particularly the fox bodies I don’t know about the later cars but but Selene fox bodies are very collectible they’re [ __ ] rad too
Um yeah but o yeah I wonder you find it yeah look at the color too white with the blue and black stri Celine 1987 Vin o1 and uh it’s got the better headlights it’s not a 4i it’s a it’s a box light cool looking car and a great looking car
Those wheels are not the production wheels so it’s got a different set of wheels on it you want to do some guessing on price I bet this is It’s low miles too it’s like 7500 miles I bet this thing goes for 100 grand say I’d say more than that aren’t there fox
Bodies in some cases Cobra RS Cobra R has been have been over a 100 um there’s been a couple like mint 93 cobras that have gotten up there there was one of those seven up cards remember them the seven up convertible with like no miles that I’ve seen like Blazers just a K5
Blazer for 200 that was some some Resto mod [ __ ] though no I I as far as I could tell it was stock but um that is probably that would be the worst look at the look at the emissions testing exhaust tips they’re designed to have [ __ ] clipped onto them they’re like funy
Looking while while that stripe was cool in that one photo look how poorly it ends behind the rear wheel hey boss what do we we do with this the back here that’s enough faint it’s a little wonky that’s enough paint there Daryl yeah the most expensive k5s on bring a trailer
Were all like Resto mods and then a ring brothers one went for 250 yeah well that’s Ring Brothers okay so I’m going to just say cuz the world is insane yeah 250 down will get 250 I mean look I when you say you know the people are Seline
Fans yes I’ve met them I always just think of like Shelby fans and how they really are in a cult yeah um and I I’ve had these weird conversations where I’ll be like no that I drove it that car is actually terrible like the Super Snake you know the stupid snake and they’re
Like what are you talking about not it’s so great 900 horsepower I’m like yeah but it not really also 450 at the wheels yeah and also like it everything sucks but yeah so so I think yes these these are for a very specific subset of people incredibly collectible and this is their
King right yeah yeah yeah number one number one and number not only is it number one it was a press car so there’s going to be a lot of documentation and it’s got super low miles5 I think you could Street drive it what it had plate on it street car cuz
Some prototypes you can’t drive on the street yeah well this was I mean that was built off of a production car so you could so it was you know Wake Me Up When It’s Rous number one I like Rous do you your team Rous versus uh Rous builds like the stoutest engines
I love Rous motor toed by tap sh to their I’m just saying those engines are just badass and and honestly a couple of the best cars I’ve ever driven have been Rous engine cars they build they build good Motors I will give them that yeah like I drove um God
Like a superformance Daytona Coupe oh yeah um with a 560 horsepower Rous big block yeah the [ __ ] that GS up in the superformance cars is rad the GT40 that Hill banks got is like oh my God I haven’t driven that one but I that was we did a video we did that
Versus that remember that [ __ ] up launcher thing from the horrible Texas cut down Ferrari which really sucked despite when everyone tells you beautiful but it didn’t sucked it was horrible that’s why you’ve never seen another one but um but Jethro Jethro his thing was like why spend three4 of a
Million dollars when for 250 you could have this GT40 and we were both like yeah GT40 like it’s just so badass they and you can get them like right hand drive right side shift leftand Drive Center Shi like you can get them in like four configurations they we we turned it
Down they wanted to give us a uh EcoBoost one but apparently it’s like badass like like it’s a is it a V6 twin turbo it’s the it’s the Ford GT kind of spec motor in the GT and so it’s like big Power for not a lot of weight I
Wasim give us the Rous pleas not what I want yeah I we filmed the the black and gold hillbank he’s like this is legit was the engine that uh no it’s AEP but they do make a coyote motor GT40 now which is like the it could be cool
If they dress it up right it could be cool great sounding motor easy to get 500 horsepower out of and it works it’s modern yeah so and cuz you know look those Rouch Motors are great I have no idea what it’s like after 1,000 miles like after 100 miles R exhausting
I did one day in it and I was so tired but it was it was an experience I mean and again for like the basically the price of a GT3 that’s what gt3s are going for now more expensive if you wanted to replicate perform if you wanted if you want a turnkey super
Performance GT40 with a big motor now you’re you’re in the high 3es they’ve got oh that’s like the last five years yeah they’re expensive everything’s expensive but but like you know how much is it real you know what I mean it’s like they’re they’re they’re and they’re
Very well made they’re very well made and also they I think they said 75% of the parts would bolt on to the first one they wild and they I think they race them at Goodwood now too of course they they let I think once they started letting them into those events they were
Like all right we can we canice this a little bit you know I don’t think goodwood’s admitting it but that g the the the the 250 GTO that blew up at Goodwood yeah that was the replica there was four 250s there and it just so happened that the repli I think it was
Harry actually posted a comparison of those cars in The Paddock and when they were lined up next to each other there was a difference in the angle of the windshield and how the the shape of the doors went and it was the kind of thing where if the car was by itself you’d
Never know never know saw literally next to an identical one you go oh yeah that’s that doesn’t fit right yeah I I saw that car and it was it it was absolutely gorgeous before it caught fire and exploded um but somebody leave him nameless uh but somebody told me
That like almost everything at the Revival is fake because they’re you know they’re getting you’re getting into like the eight figure cars and they they really do race them like you’re not going to tell Marino Franky to take it easy like he’s trying to beat Tom Christensen he’s Tom Christensen is is
The most you know competitive human being in the history of the world yeah the driving is insane yeah um the the the driving is nuts but I I don’t blame them yeah that’s some shot isn’t it look at that the other car drift and then this thing has got
Enormous Fireball what happened was the differential exploded and part of it went right through the fuel tank it was a very it was a very quick Fireball yeah yeah but I was s like you know no one got hurt that was the good part but also like they didn’t really get there with
The fire bottle that quick you know the guy kind of got out went back in the car got his own fire extinguisher was it a period correct fire extinguisher just shoots water it’s just like a bag of powder he’s like [ __ ] flinging thrin on it we what do we used back
Then what an amazing race though yeah oh it was it was it was it is I mean good Revival is just sweet it’s uh it’s uh they go for it man’s on board of his Jaguar sliding every year this year was our first time at Festival speed and
That was a good time festival speed is phenomenal did you get to drive we didn’t but for a dumb reason I didn’t expect to drive didn’t have a suit no I didn’t have a physical copy of my competition license they wouldn’t let me drive up the hill without presenting my
Competition license I’ve driven up the hill without a competition like maybe it’s a new thing I don’t know maybe I don’t know if it was a rule of it could been the manufacturer it was probably Lotus I think it was Lotus that wanted me to have it Lotus yeah to drive a
[ __ ] electric SUV up the hill no less I drove that electric SUV it Zack did too I didn’t get to drive that one they’re going to get me one when it comes when it comes here but it I you know what I probably should have been a
Little more prepared and had it I mean they should have told you well I yeah they that could have cuz I CU I remember I I drove um it was it was uh Google this Zach the uh tulus uh e type tus racing pronounce tus t l l i u s
Tus um so they’re like you know hey come to come to the Festival of speed going to drive a dtype and like d type’s to three that I care about on earth right and they get there they go sorry old chap uh a British journalist is going to
Drive the D type and I was like mother [ __ ] and they’re like but you can drive this you’re not British enough for this particular car this thing yes wow look at that [ __ ] thing first of all the clutch cable on the dtype snap so that [ __ ] never got to drive it
Second of all that’s a 500 horsepower straight pipe V12 with a miniature steering wheel with no windshield which drove so rad pretty nasty dude it was so good real nasty looking it looks like if you NASCAR an e type basically yeah well an American American guy built it so wow
Bob tulus so basically 1975 last year of etip production no one’s buying them cuz the car has been out since 61 so Jaguar says hey tellas we’ll give you a whole bunch of them can you do something with them he builds this he wins uh whatever
Seca race he’s in that season yeah 76 US US Champions Seca Nationals at brainer yeah he finished third at brainer thing W one Road Atlanta yeah the car was was a sweetheart and then and then he did a tulus xjs the next year which was like
The same motor and everything V12 was it all insane it looks even better honestly really yeah Google did he flatten like did he there’s a bunch of body work going on he dropped the it’s a it’s like a body drop wow like he dropped the body
On a flare on a fender flare fenders like a spe has much wider Wheels than a stalker it looks great on panasports but but so here’s if everyone’s wondering what’s it like to drive up the hill so they basically say okay it’s 9:00 a.m. like get in your car and you sit there
Unb belted and you have all these like nonchalant British guys like ah mate don’t worry well you know you know and you’re just kind of sitting there like then all of a sudden they’re like go go go go go you have 20 seconds yeah and
And and uh the Duke of Richmond who at the time was still Lord March he’s driving uh uh Petty’s um super up and there’s Richard Petty talking to him and you’re staring at him like what am I doing here and then all go go go go
And you you you know you flail out onto the the front straight and like I’m sitting there I’m like okay I I I guess I should like you know like first gear feel strong shift a second oh that feels good you know third’s always the one
That gets you like wow it sticks okay cool go for it and then you go into the little CAC and you line up behind whatever I was behind a Daytona prototyp I was in the American racing class because tus is American and uh you know Lord March goes whoever’s in the Daytona
Prototype goes and I go and like is over in a minute and 20 seconds or whatever it takes and that’s it and then you’re sitting at the top of the hill for half an hour I was Chris Harris was there I was hanging out with Harris so it was it
Was a good time but um he he he drove something in that group but it’s it’s wild it’s a cool event yeah Harris Harris does not like driving things up the hill it’s very nerve-racking yeah he said unless you’re unless you’re driving like a drift car you know and can put on
A show he said there’s really no way to put on a good show but there’s a million ways to have a major [ __ ] up and embarrass yourself I would say it’s kind of the attitude I take is like I will never be the fastest journalist so I’m
Never going to stuff a car on a launch or knock on wood you know what I mean like yeah I love driving Laguna sake as much as next guy I don’t care if you’re faster than me like I’ll put in my time and it’s fine yeah so that’s what I my
Take on the hill is everyone’s there to look at the car uh you know just don’t crash it yeah you know what I mean so like I think Chris because he’s so competitive and does you know wants to race he’s trying to like and he’s Chris Harris he’s got to do something well
There’s expectations of him you know butless they asked him to get in that new uh 963 which he had never driven before yeah it was wet and he’s like I don’t want to do this like this is terrible and wet there is one sketchy part where
There’s like a a bridge next to a stone wall yeah like the other thing is no one’s looking there so slow down it’s cool it’s lift you lift but um check out the tulus uh xjs yeah I get the year wrong this is 74 so 75 would have been
Xjs I love a racing xjs have you seen the Bathurst video of the xjs oh look at that that looks spectacular look at this thing oh that’s excellent [ __ ] right I want that yeah exactly like I said somehow it’s even better that ja it’s got a wide body it’s got like the
935 style like Arrow Wheels oh it’s incredible 580 horsepower V12 dog leg manual gearbox uh that is really really cool yeah and and again it’s side pipes when when are why aren’t people doing more Jaguar xjs Resto mods they really should be because everyone’s obsessed with Porsches because it’s like a Leica
Camera really [ __ ] missing I always do that when someone’s like I got a new le I’m like name another brand of camera you know like uh if I do another project car any ever again I would like it to be a Jaguar XJ it’s just too great
Looking what if you did exactly that and it was black the most you seen the one um there’s a guy in La who did an xjs uh street car with a 2JZ and saw [ __ ] rad he was at Cars and Coffee at the at the Griffith Park didn’t Rob Dom drove
It for his thing is like uh it it looks amazing atast leased on video Zack Google is a shot of it I do the uh okay after that oh look at that it’s not widebody but otherwise it is Ace no it doesn’t need to be widebody so gorgeous
I would I would want to do [ __ ] wide body knows the xjs guy he’s up in like Calabasas and he’s the Whisperer he’s oh he’s he’s the guy huh just my dad had when my dad first got a little bit of money like in the in the early 80s I was
Like 2 or 3 years old we lived in a very small house in New Jersey and my dad first got like a little bit of money it was his dream to buy an e type but in the 80s like nobody [ __ ] wanted an e type and he’s 6’5 he wouldn’t fit he
Wouldn’t fit so he bought a brand new xjs perfect which he had for one year and according to him it spent 10 months of the first year in the shop and then it was lemoned he never thought about it again there’s one photo of it I’m blanking on
His name God I’m losing my mind anyways there’s a guy he used to Ken Ken he and he he he worked for portra he was the only American involved on the 918 he was the electrician on the 918 but he worked for uh Ford and when Ford bought Jag he
Went to Brown’s Lane on the last day of production to kind of start thinking the last day of xjs production to start thinking about the XK8 and whatever yeah so he says he gets to Brown Lane and he says the thing was was really noisy because the plant manager of brown Lane
And his brother hated each other and the brother was the guy who worked at the place that did the body in white so the the xjs is would come in and the the uh a pillars were off by one degree okay so every single one you had to put a piece
Of wood across the a pillars and Hammer it up one degree he did this yeah he did this on every single car every single one so he says they’re in the factory and then suddenly like because it’s the last day the hammering dies down and suddenly for the first time ever it’s
Silent and no one’s hammering on a pillars and then they’re standing there in the last xjs like 96 I think rolls off line beautiful blue Coupe comes down the ramp stops in front of everybody everyone’s kind of silent and then the roof liner falls down and like everyone just starts
Cheering they’re s like they’re so pretty and such garbage but like but like you could you could really do something cool with one dude hell yeah like what but speaking of cool okay everyone uh listening stop what you’re doing Google X Jaguar xjs Bathurst this is the greatest lap video is this Tom
Walkin Shaw’s car I think it is I’m not sure the great the great the great xjs is walking shot but well what engine do you put in a xjs V12 you leave the V12 yeah oh so you modify the existing could you get the V12 with a manual gearbox
Though so you got to find a manual gearbox I don’t think you ever could they had manuals only for the straight six they so from 90 oh boy ‘ 92 to 94 yeah they did a they did a six-cylinder uh option and you could get a manual but
I think that was the only xjs with the manual but there are yeah you any trimic or whatever could handle the power all have you found this I don’t know if I’d want the V12 I might want the idea of the 2J is quite that’s kind of
Delightful yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah oh this is Tom walking Chaw driving so we’re sitting there with Angus McKenzie one day talking about great laps and he goes hey might have you seen the the xjs a bath so we’re like no and he puts this
On and it just shut us all up we’re just like uh is this raw sound I mean do we have I don’t know if we can play this but it’s uh just want to starts cornering it’s just ridiculous like I wonder what you have to do to really
Make one of these things handle I mean how I mean is that’s he’s going very fast here like he’s mobbing he’s got some nice over steer there drift the corner and this is a V12 so I guess I guess it is possible there’s so much
Meat under that car look at that look at that yeah track it looks good God damn does it look awesome that stance it looks like they’ve cut the fenders a little bit for maybe bigger tires it’s so it’s a tough looking car look at oh
Yeah I would I I think I think as a project car one of these would be extremely rad yeah and they’re not you know who’s got one actually has one with a Chevy motor in it with a 350 in it I don’t I don’t I don’t C that
But he but it was a Top Gear prop car a lot of people did that I’m just like if you have a 12 cylinder engine like don’t rip it out like make it work yeah well I mean I just don’t know what you’d have to do to make that 12 cylinder engine
Like goodz it’s not good the the the the the tulus motors you know whatever they did 580 horsepower but can you make that work as a street car I mean or does it need to be on a I don’t know this that’s got a manual yeah the race cars would have
Sure yeah yeah I like that it’s very gentlemanly that this car has a four spoke steering wheel it’s like a really gentlemanly thing to do so fast the car is I wish they could have picked a better section than the [ __ ] the straight the straight but we should go
To Bathurst we should go to Bathurst I I would only want to go if I could drive the circuit public roads most no I want to drive it like as a circuit well yeah okay you have think the public road thing I do I just to bring the copy I
Think the public road thing is sort of a wink wink public roads I don’t know how much it’s actually like Lama where there’s like some parts of it is still public anyways watch that I love that I’d love to talk to Dom about that 2JZ one that thing is pretty cool I feel
Like a a beasty straight six is is a good way to do it I mean again there were ’90s one I don’t think the ’90s ones looked as good but s 54 dude oh yeah S5 s54 power TR would be sick that could be
Cool if it fits I don’t know if but a 12 cylinder I don’t know I love 12 cylinder I do I I love it but you it have You’ have to have a I don’t maybe if you did you know sleeves in full engine management like is it possible to just
Use the block sounds affordable hey you said you said Jaguar project car so yeah right no I I mean take it all apart and and put saying if you’re taking it all apart anyway blueprint the V12 and then have somebody there must be somebody with some knowledge somewhere of how to
Get a lot of horsepower out of a 5.3 L 12 C J called Jud yeah you know what maybe you could do a Viper powert train in there they sound no they sound they sound no they sound good with a rear exit exhaust they sound bad with the
Side pipe cuz you’re only hearing half of it okay the Vipers remember the Vipers in the late 90s where they did the rear exit exhaust those sound totally different pretty nice and they didn’t burn you and they didn’t set your legs on [ __ ] fire well no from the
Inside they did but not from the outside right well priorities what you do is out the hood [ __ ] straight up hoonigan [ __ ] I don’t think we ever like took photos but I remember one year we had vipers and we had we went to like wherever Walmart and bought a
Thermometer and it was like 50° hotter by your feet than it was by your head I did a road trip in a Viper once and my feet were [ __ ] melting by the end of it it’s wild it’s wild cuz like Corvettes had the same problem it was a
Mass a trans tunnel yeah yeah when in my C5 what we actually did was a pretty common thing was we took the whole interior apart and dynamed the trans tunnel which helped immensely but like even even c7s couldn’t get that quite right like I it was it was like you know
You must your driver know this for 40 years Guys somebody 70 years somebody must know right but like Precision never rests bro but like with with the Corvette like okay it gets hot with the Vipers like this is ridiculous but that’s like the charm of the Viper
Right like it’s it’s good cuz it’s bad well I just like in the Viper how like the the dead pedal is the exact same object as the clutch and the dead pedal is in front of you the clutch is where the brake pedal should be the brake
Pedal is where the accelerator should be the accelerator is behind the transmission and your feet are of burning yeah they think the you think the Kos is awkward like no try a Viper and by the way this is the fifth gen Viper this is not the first the fifth
Gen was that bad the vi when I would drive a Viper what would happen is my clutch foot my toe would get caught on the bottom of the dash that was always of course of yeah yeah yeah of course but man what lovable things I would love
Viers I’ve recently come around to the very early cars the ones that are like horrible three no door handles and when you pull the handbrake it’s like here yeah it’s it’s like an erected horsecock it’s just like this giant I saw one at a Car Museum and the handbrake was pulled
Up I’m like that’s in line with your head yeah well you know erect horsecocks they know their demo you know it’s [ __ ] great but I I I’m a big Viper fan but yeah Viper xjs let’s let’s get my favorite Viper I think is somebody else’s Viper I’d love for you
To have a Viper I would love for me to have a first gen Viper and uh it would be a lot of fun maybe we maybe we should plan Jay you know Spike and Zuckerman yeah they’ve got their budget but maybe you and I have to do plan Jew I mean I
Think what first gen Viper is what like $30,000 30 to 40 gets you get you in the game 20 grand yeah can we store it here I I’ll take that as a ownership percentage okay annual maintenance okay but like we throw the dealer tag on it and have a real good
Time like make you an employee because because like you know there several problems with it uh the big one being where do we start the big one being there’s no roof there’s no glass it just has a windshield I know I love the commitment it’s it’s it’s wild right you
Know that’s when pringer with the spider RS went do you know what we need to do here this has been solved in 1992 36,000 boom what a great color 495 miles well two days left oh two days left okay give us give us some sold so 39,000 oh with
Those heinous Wheels no you want the three one owner 94 red rt10 sold for 41,00 that’s all right Chris Farley’s car got 80 good for [ __ ] Jim Farley’s cousin uh yeah 40 looks like 45 gets you an early car with the right wheels in the right color with the top
No but we want like first year look here’s a there’s the crate engine sold for 16 Grand that would have worked great in an sjs yeah an xjs Plus 16k for a Viper motor but look at that look at that oh 60 Grand 7 ,000 miles yeah
That’s a 92 92s are really really rare 93s are much more common and they’re the same car so you want a 93 or maybe a 94 yeah yeah well you know 30 to 30 to 40 gets you in the 40 and doesn’t have to be a great one because we’re not
Going to prev it that much what defines a great Viper by the way well you know I know Chris Theodor who was the chief engineer of this he told me a very funny story uh he told me several very funny stories but one of them was that you
Know Shelby drove it as the pace car for the indy500 so they all drove their vipers down there in the rain and apparently they’re kind of like weirdly okay in the rain but they had like the the you know the the plastic Tops on them the rubber whatever you know it’s
Like it’s like a tent it’s a tent yeah um but then on the way back it was dry so everybody was like going for it and he said like three of them wound up in a ditch and this is like the team that built it before they went on sale no cuz
That’s a it was actually a third gen but the first car I ever spun uh on you know trying to be on a racetrack was a with third gen Viper under breaking in a straight line it just spun on they’re hairy they really are there was a there
Was a great article that was from the early 90s which is they someone from Road and track or Car and Driver or somewhere took a Viper to Europe oh yeah and went around to the Ferrari factory the Lamborghini factory I think Angus might have done that that
Sounds like an Angus thing but anyway go ahead maybe it maybe it was he he does stuff like that but like and they let all the engineers for the other companies drive it and they were all like chuckling but at the same time like H you know not not terrible I mean I
Remember I remember very well that that Viper when I got it right cuz we were I think we were I was doing like some skip barbery stuff and we were I think you know 996s yeah and then you know 300 horsepower cuz I think I don’t think
They were s’s I then you get into the 500 horsepower Viper and it weighs less you know and it’s like bro they are they are a good time have you seen you know the world’s second most beat Viper the world’s most beat Viper is the one that
Lives in Marina del re 200 100,000 miles on it and the guy dailies it for 30 years the world’s second most beat Viper lives right at the base of big Tunga have you seen that one no oh so every time you go you turn off of oh is it green green
It’s a fake ACR but it’s in like this constant state of body panels being off and back on and that’s not the highest income neighborhood in the Greater Los Angeles area it’s like a solidly Liv on the street yeah yeah I know that car very well pretty rough but it’s a treat
Every time I drive up the canyon to see it parked out there what’s missing today let’s put back on is is a good fcr is kind of rad like that’s I mean if it was clean it wouldn’t be the worst thing and it may eventually it was clean-ish but now it’s
Missing the front bumper yeah was last time it’s missing some things yeah yeah a few things here and there those fake ACR parts are to come by but it’s like it doesn’t matter that it’s a fake ACR it’s it’s like put a [ __ ] ACR wing on
A Viper and wheels like have at it but but except the license plate says VPR ACR so it’s like you could have just not done you could have got fake ACR would better that would actually be better that would be fantastic self awareness yeah yeah yeah
I just I love houses like that like I know where I know where a guy has like I think three v acrosses um there used to be a dude he had four 928s and three of them had been there since they were sold you know what
I mean one was in the driveway three were on the street and they just live there I love houses like that there’s a guy in my neighborhood over here that probably has $2 million in cars parked just in his driveway in front it looks like he’s about to film a rap video at
Any time oh he’s got an Aventador he’s got a McLaren 720 a Rolls-Royce uh a tyon like a a Turbo S there’s a Bentley I mean it’s like it’s crazy the the numers I know a house kind of like that there’s a dude in linat who
My way to my kids preschool i’ take this back road sometimes and he would always have like a G63 a cinin um all highend like a TRX um and and he was like redoing the house and they were all just parked in mud and it was hysterical like like like
You know uh gle63 just whatever just big SUVs always parked in money You’ always have like five and I was like what on Earth cuz lyat is like this sleepy bedroom community nobody like even though they can all afford colins like nobody would cut dead in a cullin you
Know and it was just I’m like I was always want to stop and be like what are you up to I literally went and knocked on this guy’s door randomly he was very nice he knew what the smok and tire was uh I asked I said you know I own a car
Storage place right up the road that was why I want KN I was like I can get some business out of this things are all over the [ __ ] Street and uh I gave him my card and never heard from him again but he uh but I but did he say what he does
With I didn’t inquire but he said he owns a building somewhere and always was rotating which cars oh that’s fair I know I know guys that do stuff like that yeah I mean there’s like there were like seven cars in front of his house on the
Street and it was like real he had like a a a little a CU desaki type driveway that had a fountain in the middle of it that was like so appropriate oh I I where I used to live there was a dude who had among many other cool things he
Had a 50th Anniversary 911 but it had the big fountain in the middle of the driveway and it was I was always like and he had weird stuff he had like a um probably there’s not many of these people so some don’t know who he is but
He had like a like a like a a sprinter uh Airstream andu we had this [ __ ] 50th Anniversary yeah so cool let’s uh we got a bunch on the patreon so let’s go to that see how many of these we can get through uh of course patreon.com thees
Smok Tire podcast you can get an adree experience you can ask us questions for the show you can get an extra show every month the uh the Pro driver level show and a whole lot more uh retrofit says I’m looking for an elegant but engaging Coupe that seats four comfortably and
Turn turns heads at the Yacht Club under 100K the nicest Bentley GT you can find uh yeah that’s that’s good I mean like 95,000 will get you a pretty nice Bentley GT I was going to say Define comfortably I know a lot that’ll seat 4
But you know M8 um if not the non- competition yeah not even M8 but just an 8 series you can probably CL C’s uh CPS oh steal cops are the greatest things ever made they’re pretty R that’s that’s actually the best answer you could probably get a
60 use S63 a couple years old right yeah S63 coups yeah but but the cl’s were special if you can find a a CL65 that was rear drive and like even though C CL63 is probably better CL65 is like still want you needs to be the twin turbo
V12 uh Eric gagnan says in your personal how often do you adjust the temperature and vent positions I asked because I change my temperature twice a year and rarely touch the vents constantly if not if not uh on the way here probably adjusted the temperature four times and
The event the vent once really yeah well problem with the rivan is giant glass roof uh even though I tinted it the color of your sweatshirt uh it still warms up the car yeah and it was different temperatures here in in my
House so if I set a if I can if I can find in a car an automatic setting that that works I pretty much just leave it there oh really yeah usually but like my like my Porsche does not have automatic it’s just got the fan controller and the
Hot cold so I find myself [ __ ] with that one all the time and I share the Ford with my wife and I run hot and she runs cold so we’re always playing with the Dual Zone I get into my truck or either car every time she has it on 80
Degrees even if it’s like summertime she’s like oh it’s cold yeah yeah so constantly uh okay uh I don’t know if I have an answer to Allen’s question but maybe Johnny does have you seen the recent investments in internal combustion by The Big Three as well as slowing battery plant production
Expansion what conditions in your opinion are causing this is it market-based trajectory or do you think that EV will eventually be more of a small customer base no look look the the industry is going electric despite whatever article there’s there’s a there’s a strike going on and and uh you
Know so yeah Ford shut down some of the lightning stuff but it’s uh it’s all going electric so um everything that’s happening or small hiccups on a road to um vehicles that will be so much more profitable for the people that make them that they’re they they have no they have
No choice do you think that customers are not adopting EVS as fast as the oems would like them to no because they’re they’re hamster they couldn’t if they did they couldn’t Supply them there’s there’s you know there’s all kinds of Supply train issues right now we’re still coming out of the
Pandemic and the other thing is look in the US uh EVS have been politicized right so now it’s there’s like a there’s like a divide on it like I believe Trump won the election and I hate electric cars you know it’s kind of like they’ve they’ve like married up a little bit um
The rest of the world has no qualms about EVS it’s going to be electric you know it was you know we were just reading something with some long-term planning document from an oem and it was like you know no no internal combustion whatsoever and full carbon neutrality by
2045 and then the US should follow by 2050 you know and it was like we were kind of like wow we’re only 5 years behind like that’s that sounds far away and is far away it’s 20 it’s 27 years away yeah you know but um it’s just it’s
Just coming like a it’s just it’s just coming you know it’s just like and again I mean people can be scared of it but it’s sort of like you know in a way it’s like really holding on to your blackberry in 2012 I guess but like I
Have now had an EV for 3 years and I will not be getting another one but you didn’t buy a particularly like interesting Eevee if you bought like a more interesting one no that’s not why I’m getting rid of it I’m getting rid of it because the public charging network
Has let my wife down so many times that it is not worth it’s not I we don’t need to make the sacrifice we’re going to get a plug-in hybrid we’re going to charge it at home and use electricity for our local errands and then never have to go
To a public charging station ever which is how I want it because they [ __ ] up not because oh yeah they’ve let us down yeah 100% the public the infrastructure is horrible now that said you know last month or two months ago GM Hyundai Kia BMW blah blah they’re going to do a
Rival to the Tesla uh supercharger Network which will have 30,000 stations uh or 30,000 Chargers um Tesla’s opening up their thing so you’ll be able to charge whatever EV you have at a Tesla system and you know despite whatever you want to say about Tesla like their [ __ ]
Works it well but I think it’s important to explain why it works for for now it works cuz they only have to charge one type of car right and the payment is built into that they because the charging is so associated with the car brand they’ve invested more in the
Maintenance and upkeep of them and so once they open to other cars it is deeply uncertain if we can expect that level of reliability with other cars I think with Tesla one my understanding is the reason one of the two big reasons that uh current infrastructure sucks so
Bad has something I don’t I had a guy from EO explain it to me and I’m still like huh but it’s just credit card processing for some reason sucks on Chargers I don’t understand why that is [ __ ] sense doesn’t make any [ __ ] sense but we have solved credit card
Processing you would everywhere yeah cuz I was telling I was screaming the guy I’m like I just bought like a freaking T-shirt with my credit card like on but he says that’s the problem um I don’t think Tesla I don’t think they’re I don’t think they use credit card uh
Swipey swipes the same way that the no it’s connected through the car it’s all plug in charge yeah so uh you know like you said it’s to be seen I haven’t heard anything cuz Tesla has opened up certain Chargers with the magic dock I haven’t heard of any problems no it hasn’t been
A there’s just not enough other EVS to really like you know flood the Tesla system um it’ll happen we we’ll see what happens yeah I’m just I I think there’s so many people who just assume that the Tesla Chargers will work better because when they’re plugged into Teslas they
Work better look but like yeah no you’re right there’s no evidence showing that that a plugging in my Ford into a Tesla charger will be more reliable than plugging it into an EA charger right but I would just say that the infrastructure thing is a hiccup along the road to
Electrification it is but it’s it’s a significant one but until they [ __ ] fix it I’m over it I I hear you I yeah we for us the way we use our truck it doesn’t like affect it like you know once in a while I will forget to charge
It home or take a road trip but like you know the the the rivan battery is big enough we can drive to San Diego and back and not have it doesn’t affect us right up until it does yeah you know every time I’ve needed it it’s let me
Down right yeah every time I mean every time it’s shocking it’s weird that Electrify America is the worst business in the world like isn’t that a funny thing like like there’s so many turns out when companies have to start businesses as punishment they don’t but even like you like it’s like look
Everything right now that the way you’re hearing us you charge something to listen or you’re plugged into a wall electricity is flowing into Zach’s laptop which is recording it through the board electricity is easy you know they make it hard like we just need Dumber Chargers and it’s not yeah it’s not the
It’s not the flowing of the electricity it’s a it’s a purely customer service yeah and it’s not it’s not what and a lot of people like see the grid can’t hand it’s not that there’s plenty of electricity it’s tons of electricity not a problem it’s just it’s the charging
Companies and so they they’ve totally [ __ ] it up so I I cannot critique you on that yeah I I’m sure I’ll get another electric car eventually but I’m not going to sacrifice my [ __ ] convenience at the altar of this no I I hear you yeah I hear you certainly not
When I can do 90% of my everyday driving on battery charging from home and then just never have to use it when I want to go to Vegas or when I want go to San Diego or when I want to go to San Francisco you know uh and it’s not even
Me cuz I’ll [ __ ] deal with it cuz even if it’s [ __ ] the content I can’t have my wife calling me from [ __ ] Carl’s Bad going this charger isn’t working like I no yeah I I mean I’ve been lucky I think one time my wife was like in Tula and she’s like the hotel
Charger is broken what do I do yeah and I’m like here’s what you do and you know she went to an EA or whatever and she was able to charge and it worked but but no yeah it can be I mean look you we both do this yeah it’s it’s misery uh
James says where do you draw the line driving an old car on the freeway contemplating driving my Myers Ms on the freeway but haven’t been able to muster the courage to take it down there what car would you not dare to drive on an open freeway see I here’s the crazy
Thing to me freeways are the safest place to drive because there’s no uh oncoming traffic there’s no one turning at you so as long as you can like putt around 55 in the you know the the very right lane yeah or the speed limit it’s it’s totally safe it’s like I worry
About like having to stop and turn and other cars coming at you yeah I mean I I probably if a car can’t sustain 60 comfortably I probably wouldn’t do it like probably wouldn’t drive like a willly Jeep or something on the freeway but like I have um I’m doing this
Long-term loan of this cake ebike thing that goes 60 M hour it’s sketchy at 60 but I but it will do it will I would never in a 100,000 years take that on the freeway because it just it just I rode my Honda monkey on the freeway
Which Max Max Max is 62 okay Max it was mildly shady and yeah yeah so I just I’ve just avoided doing it you could do it but yeah I mean I then there’s one thing that’s like you know novelty for a minute and then there’s another thing
It’s like a car I owned like a Manx I’d probably drive a Manx on the freeway probably could but like Hannah’s pow which has 57 horsepower yeah in like 5 miles on the freeway maybe is like okay but I probably wouldn’t go know do you know
You guys know Johnny Eisen he’s one of the curators at the Peterson he had a subu 360 which I think was 40 horsepower and we took that on the 134 in Glendale for like an exit and it was shady right I mean like pedal to the metal 50 m an
Hour and it’s about to just ke over and it’s like two-p speed two-cylinder two-stroke TWP speed you know so that was yes sub 360 anything faster than that you’re good yeah real quick an insurance agency cited there are more accidents on surface streets but the accidents on freeways as we know are
More severe right so playing the odd I just always think think of freeways is safe yeah uh Matt says have you ever owned a watch that felt like too much and do you have any tips to get over that feeling last Christmas I bought a root beer
GMT uh it was a Grail I adore it however I hardly wear it because it’s not suited to my day job and I have impostor syndrome that I didn’t earn it fair thoughts I I you know it’s it’s funny like it’s you know uh I heard Ralph
Lauren talking about this once where he was saying something about how when he puts on like a western outfit it’s okay even though he’s not really a cowboy it’s fine because it it just doesn’t really matter that much he’s a famous UMO clothing designer he’s a famous
Cowboy I just want to tell mat I just want to explain to Matt when I heard ruen lipit say um no but like I I remember I tell the story a lot but like uh for for my my wife graduated from law school I was we were going she gradu
From UCI so we’re going down to Newport Beach for a week and I said hey Mercedes uh give me a G wagon for a week yeah you know was going be fun in-laws are in town great car blah blah so I get the alien green g65 and I’m walking out to I laughing
Because it’s it’s such a ridiculous color the first day I had it everyone’s staring at me like I’m a Kardashian you know with like a a bit of interest but also a lot of disdain within a week I’d forgotten like it was the greatest car
Of all time easy to find in a parking lot sure so I’ve never had that I’ve worn I’ve never owned but I’ve worn some very expensive watches um so no is my long-winded way of saying no I’ve I mean I definitely can can relate like if
You’re if you’re if you’re in a sort of a blue collar gig and you’re rolling up in a $30,000 watch like yeah okay that’s a little you know maybe mismatched or if you’re in if you’re in you know if I’m doing something like dirty or rough I’m
Not going to bring out something heavy but um and I did have an AP Royal Oak that it felt like it was like wearing a disco ball you know was so like the way it caught the light was so reflective that I was like I’m a little insecure about this
Um and that’s a big price tag watch too it’s a big price tag watch yeah um but I understand but at the same time I try to think about the fact that like 95% of the world isn’t really looking at your watch and doesn’t really know what it is
And if it makes you happy it doesn’t matter if it’s an inheritance or a gift from somebody or if you earned it if it’s special and some way it’s it’s okay can I close it’s also okay by the way to to have a daily beater and then special
Watch for special occasions okay to totally if I can just close this out so Jay lamb you know from 24 hours of lemons we spent a lot that Moser I was showing you we spend a lot of time sending pictures of watches to each other and he writes me out of the blue
The other day I’m in bed wearing a solid gold PCH Philip and experiencing non-stop reverberate flatulence life is incredibly strange right so even if you’re farting constantly farting in a gold pek makes you feel better about your life there’s something something to that yeah yeah I
Understand but it’s okay to to wear it once in a while Ryan says this is an interesting question does GM innovate uh the review of the ZO6 F focused heavily on being a reverse engineered 458 and the eay discussion focused on its relation to the NSX that came out years
Ago outside of Mag rde I’m curious if I’m missing something or if they’re always playing catchup oh it’s a fair question it’s a fair question question I yeah I think they innovate like crazy I mean mag rid’s one thing but then like their elsd their electronic locking uh limited slip differential
Whatever wild like you know why why is the Corvette Camaro and the the Black Wing so good that rear end has a lot to do with it they do massive Innovation there you know uh their their engines are incredible like that’s the largest flat plane crank engine ever developed
Um that’s I don’t know I think that’s pretty Innovative uh and then you know if you I don’t I know the guy’s not going to care but like what they’re doing with the ultium batteries is like really cool like the Blazer you can you know you can order a Blazer front drive
All-wheel drive or rear drive name another car I think there was a Ford Transit van commercial use that could do that but like that’s pretty Innovative and that means you can sell it at like seven different price points yeah and I also think that to there’s innovation in taking very
Advanced Technologies and making them a affordable also I mean the fact that the eay has a hybrid system that’s very similar to what you would see in much more expensive cars but it’s slightly simplified and it’s in a much more affordable car that is innovative I
Would 100% agree like the C8 not even fair about the Z6 just the regular C8 you know if you do a big group test where you’re running around with like Lamborghinis and Ferraris you start jumping into the Corvette and into the Lamborghini they feel real similar you
Know what I mean like like like they move around the same as you know and it’s like whoa this is a third the price yeah we’ve also praised GM’s chassis setup and Engineering for what I know 20 years Alpha platform Zeta like the construction of their cars and then what
They do with those shells is usually even with the bar or Beyond it of BMW Audi Mercedes you know high level stuff and super Cruise super Cru is probably the best hands-free system without in my mind without question I I would also say PT performance traction management well it’s a few years old
That was before Mercedes had the system in the the the GTR you know with the with the 10 steps GM had the five steps and like man I was screwing around with the Z6 uh couple weeks ago and like race one I think like it’s unbelievable like
Like I didn’t know it was it was intervening cuz I turned everything off it was like like but I had no idea like normally you can feel when cars catch you you know what I mean but this was the race modes in those cars are very
Good yeah it’ll let you go I think it was doing like 15° of yaw and catching it but to me I felt like an absolute hero because it’s not the yaw angle alone it’s the rate of changing yaw that it plays with yeah and there I forget if
It was if I was in race one or race two it doesn’t matter but the point is like that is super Innovative and they had that now here’s GM’s problem if I may they hide that [ __ ] that was oh by the way the Vault the Vault was super
Possibly the best passenger car of all time leading to that the Vault was way way ahead of the game like like a decade ahead yeah um but like but they hide their technology right like PTM was in the C6 but you know how you accessed it
You did a click and a half on the traction control which then if and you had to do the right meter like it was a Dr be they buried it and and I remember sitting there with the guys and I’m like come here this is a Mercedes you see
This knob if you twist it you go to race mode it was y I remember one the AMG just a regular am you know and I’m like I’m like why is this hidden and then it you know and they were like H you know like and I think it’s because
Like they have these wonderful Engineers like do you know this GM is not allowed to test at Laguna sea their lawyers say because it’s a public park that they they can’t test at Laguna sea so when we would do stuff at Laguna sea 17 Engineers are show up be like could we
Have a lap oh that’s funny I didn’t know that you know what I mean so I think they’re they just even though they do racing and like Mark Royce and Mary bear are super into what they’re doing at lont I just think they’re really held back you know so I think they could
Inovate more yeah and they they also do stuff that’s lazy and non Innovative but but but but I think re let’s recognize the things that they do that are good and a lot of that I think and you’re going to see there’s a lot of companies
I think a lot of old wood is going to get kind of tossed out to see and you know bring in the what can these software Geeks do my friend came over to my house the other night has not not into cars doesn’t give a [ __ ] but he’s
Like I think I want to get the new Accord Hybrid and I go okay cool it’s you know probably nice and he goes it does this amazing thing he’s like the engine’s not connected to the to the to the drive Wheels he’s like it’s an electric car but then the engine’s just
A generator and I was like the Vault did that 14 years ago not only that the Vault did that and the Vault could connect through a planetary gear set to to the traction mode yeah the Vault was people think that things that Honda is doing now that GM did 13 14 years ago
About that too yeah uh okay um Ivan I don’t love this question in general but it’s not your fault I understand why you’re asking it where do we draw the line between sporty cars sports cars exotic cars supercars and Hyper cars it seems like everything has insane speed and handling and
Technology has made it different difficult to distinguish uh features I mean it’s a whatever Senator that was who said like I can’t Define pornography but I know it when I see it so when I see uh Bugatti I know that’s a hyper car when I see a uh Lamborghini uracan I
Know that’s a superar right you know what I mean so to me I this is arbitrary and it’s just my scale hyper car is seven figures oh for over a million bucks we’re talking about a hyper car that’s fair I like that supercars are you know really over over $200,000 you
Know I I’ll take that I think that’s kind of where I do it sports cars are uh usually two seat or two plus two seat at any price point and EXO ex I’d say exotic cars really over over 100 150,000 rules which is not a sports car by any
Means rolls extic yeah exotic car is any car that’s over they overlap right and part of that is brand and and you know all that but I would just say like yes all everything you said Is Right lines are blurred cuz like like a Porsche GT3 for instance really blurs the line
Between sports car and Supercar because numerically it can kind of do what all the supercars do is it a is a GT3 a superar uh it could go either way yeah could go either way I wouldn’t call it that but but if someone did I wouldn’t
Like n you know yeah you know and but again the word superar came from uh uh J what’s his face setti J J said right looking at the mirror and saying that’s a super that’s not a car that’s a super car sure yeah that’s where the word came from and Angus
McKenzie claims that when the Veyron came out he came up with the word hypercar to describe it he said it used to be supercars now we’re in the era of hypercars now it was the first seven figure production card your yeah give to uh flannel Bob said if you had the
Perfect card match the styling of your home from the year it was built what would it be wow what a wild yeah my house was built in 1926 okay so model a brand new for that year I would go with a Bentley uh 1926
Bentley uh uh 6 and 1 12 l no 4 and a half L six lit 6 lit would it look it would it looked good parked in your driveway you think my house yeah it’ll kill her anything looks good parked in my driveway uh my house was is
Mid-century modern it was built in 1964 and uh so 63 Corvette I I my first thought was a split window vet uh I don’t know if that matches the midcentury modern you might it might have to be like a caddy or something a little more Palm Springs or uh yeah
Something like a little more Cruiser if we wanted to match the house but definitely that like that Space Age American maybe one of those space cowboy te- birds oh remember when it was on the outside they thought they were going to space and on the inside they wanted to
Be Cowboys it was one of those yeah would you remember the the the weird Chevy I think they were called uh El Mirage they were like Chevys that so I think it was a dealer made them as fancy they put Cadillac Interiors into like 57
Chevys in 57 oh I didn’t see the El Mirage dealership yeah they’re wild things like that’s that that might work yeah Jack says uh for a person with no track experience at at all and a car that cannot do autocross or track work what is the cheapest way to improve
Driving skill and spend some time on a track uh Zach did you write Sim racing there well one of our patrons responded but I agree with that entirely Sim racing will help it’ll help uh you could go to a driving school that has their own cars almost all of them do I would
Say 100% that’s the was a thousand bucks, 1500 bucks I’m probably out of out of touch with it but school’s like 1,300 a day now I mean rally School actually carting school I looked it up in there’s a cart School in Ventura but that is the cheapest per day for like
Racing school the only thing I’d say is uh carting you know it does favor the little guy but also um you know you’re going to cart not a car and I think there’s a I think there’s a big advantage to physically being in a production car and seeing how a car
Works on a track cuz like a cart you know you steer with the rear end that’s not how you drive a car um yeah I think I think those like uh Radford and Skip Barbers and and schools like that and then you said uh rally school rally
School if you want to learn car control overall car control rally school if you want to learn racecraft then racing school but even just you know they they have um like high performance driving classes at at like uh places like that uh Radford or whatever and uh they’re
They’re great cuz you know a lot of most people you don’t realize this they’ve never like jumped in a car and just floored it with their eyes shut for 3 seconds you know what I mean like what what’s that do you know like that’s a good thing to to experience yeah uh
Michael Cosgrove says Johnny tends to have different preferences in car attributes versus me and Zach uh if so what stock Porsche on sale today do the three of you find the most enjoyable to drive well I can come up with two off the top of my head uh so GT3 manual for
Like canyons and Racetrack and then a target for everything else uh I’d go spider for everything else and dedicated driving 911 St you know what spider’s really good to I was only thinking 911 SP if I had to leave it stock I’d probably go spider RS I
Haven’t driven the RS yet it’s it’s exactly what you think it is oh how’s the St by the way I’m sure You’ talked about it plenty but I mean hugely different from the from the touring like shocking and going back to I think we were talking about this before all they
Did was reprogram the shocks for a year I mean they changed a little Hardware but Springs are the same dampers are the same it’s just wild how different it feels again 9/11’s like the fact that you can keep slicing that cake forever it’s insane it’s insane but I I drove a
911r back toback with a GT3 manual and like it they just didn’t even feel like the same species right so they say there’ll be STS in the fleet maybe quarter one so I was talking with Luke just yesterday Monday M I’m I’m definitely poking the bear on that one
Too uh bad Garder says if you found yourself in the market for a high-end Boutique car what would be your choice and then suggest the Tuttle 911k and icon singer toring Radford sing for sure my heart would go torn between icon FJ and a roof the roofs like are literally the
Best period now it’s another 911 at the end of the day yeah that’s no he didn’t say 911 he said High and Boutique car yeah I’m I’m saying that’s what it’s another 911 and you know there if any car is played out it is the Porche 911
Mhm um and I love that icon I’d be torn I’d be torn luckily the people that can afford those they can just buy both so it’s yeah I don’t know if I could fit in it but that that Chimera thing which is the launcha 037 repop which actually um
Catchpole drove it and he’s taller than me and he fit he’s also he’s also 180 he’s 150 he’s very thin uh I don’t know if in that but um but that seems quite without ever driving it I would say that seems very delightful that is literally
Gorgeous look at that I mean come on tell me that doesn’t look [ __ ] awesome so I drove the um what the Amos uh the um Del one yeah right phenomenal like they’re neat dude like what a what a great car you know like like like yeah
The $400,000 is sort of nuts for what it is but what a great car yeah and this has to be better but I I like that um I’m going to Breeze through I don’t want I’m not going to do every single one I want I want to P pick the best ones okay
Uh tough o is the new SL a flop for Mercedes I’m seeing new cars with 30k off used ones for 50 to 60k under the MSRP super flop I’ll tell you what if you can get one with 1500 miles for 60 K off that’s not a bad deal but you think
That’s you know the new AMG GT is a super flop cuz it’s an SL with a hard top and no thank that one’s worse the the new SL I felt like drove great looked much better than the old one whereas the new I thought it drove a little weird but butd
Canyons it was doesn’t know what it is it’s just like the most confused thing ever like who wants an SL with a rear seat no one yeah like no one that’s that doesn’t make any sense look here’s what happened right so Mercedes made an SL they made an AMG GT convertible they
Made an S convertible they made a e convertible and converti and a c convertible and convertibles are less than 1% of the car market so they’re like what are we doing like let’s just make one well you know boy you know you’re designing a camel you know what a
Camel is a horse designed by committee yeah they made a camel and it weighs like way too much and why is it all-wheel drive who wants an all-wheel drive SL with a rear it just makes no sense plus the haptic stuff is out of control on that car Big Lot going you
Don’t know your like again that that that user base is like in their 60s and like too complicated you got to hold down a virtual button to lower the top [ __ ] ter that was crazy hold the screen and then to replace the AMG GT with just a hard top
Version of the SL is like double decker flop which also looks just like a Porche turbo like literally looks it’s it’s wild if you look at the rear I got to look at the rear really look at the rear of the new SL it’s just ter I was
Standing I was standing with uh this guy named Horatio Pagani and he’s like I’m like don’t you see a turbo he’s like I understand why they would do that it’s a very successful car very pragmatic yeah uh Patrick McCoy says Johnny what’s your favorite bourbon and cigar combo recently whatever I’m
Smoking tonight um honestly with my cockamamy diet I’m I’m not drinking a lot um that’s a good way to yeah is a great way to look I mean my favorite bourbon um you know is either will it uh uh uh certain uh Willet bottles or William
Laro Weller oh yeah um you remember at your birthday we had some insane insane uh yeah and I mean favorite cigar I I mean I smoked this thing by tat called the face which I think came out in 2013 smoked it the other night and like my
Friend Mark and I smoked it and we’re both just like couldn’t imagine a better cigar he’s texting me the next morning like oh dude I’m still like geeked on that cigar you know all right um the face huh yeah yeah but it but it’s I mean yeah I was literally talking to the
Guy that owns tto I’m like could are any left he’s like I have some if you come to my house maybe I’ll give you one that’s how you have to get them uh Chris n says what sports car has surprisingly bad breaks two come to mind for me SLR and the 20134 Shelby
GT500 terrible break there’s many surprisingly bad things about the 2014 I mean I would say like Lamborghinis and uh svj um to me had very like again the car is capable of like way over 200 miles hour and on tracks you’re seeing stupid speeds and the brakes were sketchy I
Never I never like those um mc20 mc20 MC Poe breaks yeah that’s true they’re not good um there’s otherwise a very nice car there’s one more yeah mc20 is they’re delightful delightful just not a track car but as a street card delightful killer uh yeah i’ would say
The svj oh most Ferraris I should say that uh all Ferraris until the Roma I think had bad breaks and then the Roma 2966 is good 296 is great 296 might be the best car I’ve ever driven the we had the aceto fiorano for p Cody and it was
Nasty really really nasty I I I love that I mean you know I don’t know what it is about Ferrari but like God damn that’s a good car a good car the drive the Dynamics of it are just about perfect yeah yeah the interface not so
Much but that’s okay oh whatever but no I remember like when I I I I drove one and I I was up at Good Vibes and like you know a bunch of guys don’t you think it’d be better without a hybrid system and I’m like you know I know you’ve
Never driven it because you’re asking that question yeah the hybrid system works it does worki I don’t I don’t hate the hybrid system at all you don’t even know it has one just it’s invisible it just makes over 800 horsepower so fast it fast so fast and
It does phenomenal slides on the track I mean it was the easiest car to drift I’ve maybe I’ve ever slid it’s I think it’s the best car if I’m being really honest I think it’s the best car I’ve ever driven it’s red the one we had at P
$500,000 aceto I haven’t even driven that one I just drove the one with like a leather roof yeah yeah know theet Fano with like carbon everything was $500,000 it was crazy yeah I mean it’s kind of worth it oh and uh last one uh redzed from last week’s show uh asked this and
I said to come back with it because you have experience looking at a Fiesta ST with 85,000 miles what should I look out for one with 40,000 miles uh I mean look I loved that Fiesta ST but the one of the big reasons I got rid of mine was that I would the
Surprise2 to $4,000 bill every few thousand miles was just took all what wentong every [ __ ] thing I the air conditioner broke and like it it it it was funny because it was like I was pulling into a parking lot and I was like oo that felt weird and then when I
Was leaving I’m in first gear and it’s like car just feels totally strange I’m shifting a second and it dies and it’s locked up and I can’t get the engine to turn over it was the AC somehow that made that happen but it took took like 8
Weeks to diagnose they were quoting me a new engine price which is like 8 Grand oh yeah and I’m like well no I don’t want to do that and then they’re like oh it turns out it’s just the AC but you know Allin and with the Bro deal from
Our boy bo bo was like 1,800 bucks yeah you know what I mean so like without the Bro deal probably would have been 2500 um there was like some Rattle and they’re like we just got to take the whole dashboard apart and it was like $2,000 exploratory surgery couldn’t
Figure out what the they put it back together and stopped rattling oh everything you know clutch went out at 25,000 Mi for no reason you know like I wasn’t doing my wife mostly drove it so 85,000 Mi remember that started as a $13,000 car you know what I mean like I
Love them God bless them but 85000 great to drive and I own one new for 30,000 miles and I didn’t we didn’t have any problems but I’ve heard when they get up there there can be mine probably had 40 by the end but even even before that it
Was just starting to really come apart okay and mine was a little tuned um and uh I just wasn’t happy fair enough yeah uh thanks for joining us for this sober show I know we’re boring know afternoon sober shows skinny yeah coffee talking about working out yeah um inevitable
Podcast spikes car radio Motor Trend head to glucker head to had to go we we have we had we had a good one coming out we have our holiday episode coming out which we had like like like um lucky and Alex from Haw Rock garage Amir and nad’s from Super Street
Garage um those guys uh Newburn and cotton the show used to be faster with finegan now it’s going faster with new and cot these two are hysterical okay I don’t know where they found them they’re ridiculously funny guys but they’re great and so we did a big like all kinds
Of stuff ZO6 and all kinds of fun stuff good all right well next time we’ll have a nighttime drunk screaming show that’ll be fun to just what we need yeah every once a year this is the quarterly sober show and then the annual screaming show right well I do I still like some
Bourbon so we could definitely make that happen there could be more uh thanks for listening folks thank you to our patrons for uh for uh doing what you do supporting the program over here and I’ll see you fools next week peace
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I hope we get Derek Tam-Scott on the show.
is Matt Sephardic?
Pivotal is the name of the company, used to be Opener. It's a single seat ultralight, hence the weight limit and short range. Pretty incredible they're able to produce a battery powered vehicle which can fly a 200lb human 20ish miles while weighing less than 350lbs.
I get that Jonny has a podcast called "The inEVitable" , so of course he's gonna be optimistic on EVs, but I'm still amazed by his level of bullishness on the mass adoption of EVs. Off the top of my head, he's pretty much the only automotive journalist that I listen to/read that is absolutely 100% convinced that EVs will replace ICE vehicles.
Johnny must be ignoring the recent headlines from major automakers cutting back on EV investment
420 likes, just saying.
Wow, J. Lieberman brings a new level of name dropping and being full of oneself to a podcast never seen before.
Love my Camaro but it's a BMW clone, lol. I have an '18 SS1LE and and a '16 235xi, the similarities are striking. It could be argued GM out M-car'd BMW with the C6 Camaro though… the V8, Tremec M6 and eDiff make for a great drivetrain.
Electric Cars are failing big time in Europe 😊….Good Times
Drones are unmanned by definition, but we've learned to associate the word with quad-copters and other non-traditional aircraft I guess.
Liebers got his cigar pkg.
A Jaguar V12 with a good 2 1/2” exhaust sings nicely to 6500 RPM 🙂 I’m 39 years old, I bought a V12 XJS in 2002 for my first car, had it restored/mild resto modded/upgraded by a master Jaguar guy named The Backstreet Heroes. I couldn’t afford the 5 speed manual conversion back then at 18 years old. So I had the three speed rebuilt with a shift kit. The tranny kit was $6000 USD = $10 000 Canadian in 2003. I did everything else you can bolt on to it with Ian’s hand-built blue printed V12. I still have it to this day. Check my bio pic 🙂 It runs down and keeps up with any 300 HP car rolling down the highway with style and grace.
@36:48 : I think what Johnny is referring to as "The First Ferrari" is the Ferrari that Enzo gave to Henry Ford. It's the only (according to The Petersen) Ferrari ever factory delivered on White Wall Tires.
The tide has turned for EV's especially with the war on the horizon.
Really appreciate talking about men’s health issues. At 45 you don’t bounce back like you used to! You should get the new Zoe to sponsor you. Everyone reacts differently to different foods.
I was going to do a manual swap XK8 with Tom lenthall Jaguar. V8. Great shape and manual box. Sadly car was too rusty
You cannot get M8 non-competition.
Ford loses $40k+ on every EV it sells. Making the connection to an election 3yrs ago is quite the bridge to cross. That coupled with the absolute embarrassment that the Lighting is – total meme fail material – and Mercedes pumping the brakes on it….the proof of concept (using Gov dollars) hasn't exactly made a compelling case as far as Ford is concerned.
'64 Rivi
Still my favorite guest!
Harry metcafe has a v12 xjs, manual.
All SALEENS are collectible
That is not the 1st SALEENS, it's the 1st for that year. 89 was not the 1st year
I think the term "supercar" needs to be continually moved up to match the top performing most extreme cars of that generation. The term hypercar happened when not so sucessful rich people to feel good about themselves started naming F360s, F430s and Gallardos "Supercars". "based on the fact these cars were faster than 80s Supercars.
It's funny that most decisions in the US have been politicized. That is a sad reality.
How wrong was Farah about the Cybertruck though