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    When it comes to differences between life in North America versus life in the Netherlands, grocery shopping might just be the biggest thing.

    In this video I discuss the differences between the fresh-food approach taken in the Netherlands compared to the bulk shopping car-centric approach of North America. For our family, it’s not even a question: we think the Dutch approach is far superior.

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    1. To be fair, living in Europe and having grown up here, you still very much have the more car focused grocery stores. Mostly you’ll find them only on small towns or “suburbs” but basically whenever the population density is too low to put 10 different grocery stores in the area, the grocery stores will just get larger and add a huge parking lot.
      Most of the times you can still pretty much walk there easily and since they are still in living areas, they are still friendly for bikes and pedestrians, but you can clearly see the difference to the more urban supermarkets.
      My mom for example lives literally 200m away from a grocery store, but in the suburbs and since the next grocery store after that is 1km away, she rather buys food once a week with her car and it feels very normal where she lives. On top of that the grocery store where she lives closes at 8pm.
      I live in the city and I have 4 supermarkets that I can reach by food in less than a minute, plus a vegetable store, a market on Sundays, a bakery, the last store closes at 12 pm and another 10 supermarkets if I would walk just for 5 to 10 minutes longer.
      Where I live there are no parking spots at any of the supermarkets but my city still has those when you just leave the center far enough.
      I always felt like the rural Europe is basically like a more human friendly version of North America.
      Most people only get around by car because things are too far away, you can still reach them by bike tho and everyone younger than 18 does, you mostly only have the occasional bus that for many situations is useless and only used by students and you have big parking lots in front of grocery stores and everything else to make driving easier.
      Like things are way better than in the US, but I still feel like I need a car to completely enjoy the area whenever I’m at my parents.
      European City life is the greatest tho and nothing can beat that in my opinion!

    2. Getting a pannier rack for my bike here in London has been a 100% game changer, can do the big shop every week with a backpack and a "bag for life" bungee corded to my bike

    3. Yeah, in the northwest of the US, it's a 30 minute walk from my apartment to the nearest affordable grocery store, QFC; 20 to 30 minutes away by bus because my neighborhood is serviced by one of the shittiest bus lines in the city. (There's a convenience store 8 minutes' walk away, and an expensive bougie place called "New Seasons Market" 17 minutes away.) The QFC is kinda dinky. If I want more choice, the next nearest is Safeway, which is 40 minutes away by bus (an hour away by walking; 7 by car. I don't own a car). For lots of choice AND cheap groceries, I go to WinCo (45 / 50 minutes by bus).

    4. Something worth considering is the small or potentially large impact of labor laws and standards. Canada and the U.S. have weaker social safety nets, and my experience is U.S. centric, so it's more frantic getting to work because you have terrible work laws and standards, and no protections, especially for retail. European retail workers sit while bagging, whereas U.S. workers are often forced to stand and make themselves "look busy" as a cultural standard, making the idea of walking or biking completely untenable, especially since 30 minute breaks vary across states (my job only gives you one.). Sore feet, foot injuries, and plantar facilitis are common ways that workers destroy their bodies and it is disguised as "healthy", since a problem for sedentary jobs is too much sitting so people go for ergonomic desks. Thing is, the option to sit is at least available. I get dirty looks if I'm caught leaning or sitting, usually from older customers expecting to be serviced, that's how much we hate seeing retail employees as human or comfortable.
      Add on to it the fact that you have a very limited number of sick days, your bosses will only sometimes let you use them, little to no vacation days, the shame and stigma of not working, being texted by your boss for the slightest misshaps or absences and expected to provide burden of proof (I have often been in a room with co workers who show up, have to leave early, and I feel disgusted because I would have rather them stayed home and not coughing on everything risking my health or customer health), no maternity or paternity leave or family support, brutal working hours and conditions, and retail most certainly is a nightmare contributing to our poor shopping experience. I sprained my ankle and had to beg for a chair I barely get to use because the other employees are desperate to sit. I carry topical anesthetic, and sometimes have customers come in when I have to apply it, and the reaction is often unwarranted health "advice" or disgust. We are buying too much food from overworked, usually hiding an injury employees with no social safety net, in gas guzzling cars. And before anyone asks, no it isn't a chain, which is usually more abusive, but a local family owned business, where everything is personal and people remember grudges.
      Final point: Because of no protections we often just don't have enough time to make multiple grocery stops. Too burned out from the day to shop more than once or twice a week.

    5. Unfortunately, the closest grocery stores to me are a few minutes away by car. I didn't even have my own car or even a license until last year, so having the freedom to get my own groceries whenever I want is great. I literally just buy what I need for that week and tend to eat all of what I bought. A little store around the corner where I could grab my vegetables and meats would be ideal though. The Netherlands just sounds nicer with every day that passes.

    6. Some of these points I find to be interesting. I go to the store once a week, and it takes me about 10 minutes from getting out of my car to getting back into my car with all my food I need for the week. I believe this to be easier for me because I eat the same food everyday for the week for the past ~6 years with little variation. I also cook all my food on Sunday, besides my breakfast, and eat it throughout the week. So, while I enjoy many aspects of walkable neighborhoods that you describe in many of your videos, many don't fit with what I desire. I could eat something different everyday and cook it 'fresh', but I don't taste a difference. I also don't care for fresh from the pan food because it's generally too hot for me to eat. I will almost always wait 30 minutes after it's done cooking to start eating it.

    7. "Who eats this much food?" -The answer isn't nobody, the answer is families with like 5-10 kids. Or multigenerational households with a lot of people. I agree the smaller grocery stores close to the city center are preferable to the costcos of the world, but even in Europe those costco style stores are more practical for a certain subset of people.

    8. The same goes for Denmark/Copenhagen – there’s a grocery shop on almost every street and most times there are multiple on each street. In fact, Denmark has nearly 2 times the amount of grocery stores per capita compared to the Netherlands. However, Norway and Austria has the most per capita.

    9. OMG I love DeRuijter chocolate sprinkles. However, I live in Southern Germany, thus I can't get them there, however everytime I visit my Grandma (Northern Germany) you bet I pack every possible free space in my bags with that stuff.

    10. I might sound like I am brainless but please don't insult, I am very confused about this.

      Aren't cars and malls more convenient for places which are very Hot like 40-50+ °C. You enter your AC chilled car and then enter an AC Chilled Malls. Walking or biking store to store would be very exhausting. Tress can be used in some areas but they wouldn't be sustainable in all hot areas.

    11. I live in the Koreatown neighborhood of LA. One of the few walk friendly places here. I make it a point to do daily or semi-daily grocery shopping. We found we spend a lot less on food and throw away a lot less. In fact, when I broke my foot, our food budget went up nearly twice as much. Cars really are more expensive. Obviously that was us, it can different for others, and if I am being honest there was some depression food in there. However, I even remember our budget going down by around 25%-50% once I did the daily shopping thing.

    12. in nyc the shops are similar to the shops you showed in the netherlands, but i agree with your sentiments about suburban grocery shopping

    13. As a dutch grocery store worker, i find it nice that there are stores for food everywhere, especially if i dont get a dinner break and i have to work until the store closes, cause i can just go to work, pick a meal, buy it, go home, prepare it and eat it, all in the span of 30 minutes

    14. Going to AH and getting a half loaf of bread kinda blew my American mind. Being able to easily shop for one person while studying abroad was sooo nice.

    15. how do cars in amsterdam refill gas. Is it more efficient or is it pretty similar to canada and the US where you make a stop at a gas station? Please make a video about it.

    16. For anyone pointing out that representing American grocery stores with Costco is disingenuous, you're not understanding the point. The grocery stores themselves are not much different from what we have here. The issue is the infrastructure around the stores. When land use is as highly segregated as in the US, most people are forced to drive to the grocery store. The act of getting in your car, driving to the store (probably hit some red lights along the way), parking, and then doing all that in reverse after you finally get to buy your groceries is the real problem. Of course we're going to buy things in bulk when it's such an inconvenient experience. It doesn't matter if that store is Costco or Trader Joe's, the experience of having to drive there or take an unpleasant and possibly unsafe bike ride there is not ideal.

    17. I live in the US, and grocery shopping isn't a pain. I can drive my car to 1 of multiple stores that are less then 10 minutes away from my home. If I'm only there for a few things, then I can be out of the store in just a few minutes. There's a store I frequently stop at on my way home from work.
      Also, smart shoppers don't buy perishable items in bulk. You only buy items in bulk that have a long shelf life.

    18. It's similar in the UK. Around the 90s gazillions of out-of-town retail parks were built mimicking the US(?) but over the last two decades the high street has made a comeback as people moved to doing small regular shops instead of one huge shop at a megastore. Tesco, Sainsbury's and now Morrisons have a huge network of tiny shops ('local', 'metro') in close proximity instead of a flagship superstore out of town. Interestingly Walmart aka ASDA is still sticking to the massive carpark type deal.

    19. I only know of one bulk Shop near me. It is often only for restaurants and other large kitchens. It is called metro. You need a member card to get in and pay. I only visit it with some friends once every two months or so to stock up on non perishable items. Like large bags of noodles, flour, rice and frying oil. They also sell the large cartons of sweets, which are usually used in retail, for a very low price

    20. I remember the days back in the late nineties, when my parents and I went from Germany to Florida over the easter holidays regularly. Ft. Meyers area, big zoned residential area build around a golf course. The next place to buy stuff was the Publix right at the entrace to the community next to the highway. Can't say that I miss that shopping experience and while it was possible to get there with a bike (due to the speed limits inside the community), doing so made you stand out like a martian in NY.

    21. The fact that the store in Netherlands and other European countries got the Elevator is alone made it better.
      Good luck trying to find the elevator in Walmart or Fry’s

    22. For Americans who have not lived in Europe, you should know there is nothing unique about Amsterdam when it comes to city layout and shopping. This is pretty much how things are everywhere outside of the U.S. and Canada. But if you tried to implement the scanner system in the U.S., the theft would be astronomical. 90% of what people took out of the store would not be paid for.

    23. Vegetable Jewellers 🤣 yes I agree, wester countries are all part of corporatism keeping people spending forever to do things like shopping, the amount of things inside are massive keeping you inside looking forever for what u wanted… Almost like IKEA…

    24. As a brit the size of american grocery stores kind of terrifies me. We do have large supermarkets like Sainsburys and Tescos, but grocery stores tend to be small shops like those mentioned in the video, and supermarkets are never nearly as large or warehouse-like as that.

    25. Hahahaha this is so funny – I never forget the first day I arrived in Canada, I plopped my stuff in a small hotel room downtown and went shopping for groceries, looking forward to my first dinner as part of my new adventure. So I walked around all of downtown and – COULDN'T FIND A DECENT GROCERY STORE…!!! I finally ended up at a 7-11 or Mac's Milk and got some pepperonis and chips, and that was it…

    26. I like you’re content however this is a very biased take, you show multiple examples that support your claim in a city environment, and pick the most extreme example for North America in a suburban environment. In Toronto there are lots of small grocery stores, specialty shops, shops that only sell farmers goods, and also TONS of farmers markets that pop up in parking lots, squares, somewhere in the city all summer. I’ve travelled European suburbs and I’ve visited grocery stores that are practically identical to Nofrills, Metro, Sobeys and other North American grocery stores.

    27. I live only a 5 minute drive to my grocery store but I never go walking due to the fact that the sidewalks are right next to a busy road. Not to mention all the heavy groceries we'd need a cart for 😕

    28. Have you done a video about how shops do better in Holland were there is cycling infostructure. Also how do businesses get their deliveries.
      In the UK were cycle lanes are put in or might be there is a lot of resistance from businesses because the worry they will loose customers because people can't park close bye and how will they get deliveries.
      It would be good to have a video on how it works I Holland

    29. I so much love Albert Hejin and those smal train station shops, the stuff they have there is so unbelivably awesome like the moist banana bread or the fresh almond pates.

    30. Just reminded me of when a supermarket chain opened a small store on the pedestrian precinct in my town in the UK. I thought it was daft, who was going to shop there? People out in the town center might stop in for snacks say and odd bits and pieces, but not for actual groceries. Then, I found myself popping in most days on the way to and from work, and it became handy.

      It was fairly popular but not enough I suppose as it closed down in the end.

    31. When I bought my house I made sure that it was relatively close to grocery stores. I walk/bike every couple of days to pick up only what I need for a particular recipe. It gives me a purpose to bike. I like it.

    32. I agree with most things, but, and you did give an alternative here, I have never seen more plastic wrapped things anywhere but the Netherlands. Honestly, coming from Germany, I've been shocked by how, and I dare say it, outdated some of that feels. Two donuts in a plastic box that could easily suit 6. No deposit system for cans or plastic bottles and as you said, vegetables and fruits wrapped in plastic like it's a skin.
      This doesn't have to do with infrastructure but I feel like this is something the Netherlands should improve on if they really wanna become a truely green nation. I see though that they are doing exponentially better than NA States or perhaps Germany because Cars are the main use of transport there.
      Greetings

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