6 weeks ago, Alex Paton rocked the @gcntech community with one of the most controversial bikes he’s ever built. A 30-year-old Pinarello, upgraded with a state-of-the-art @RideShimano Dura-Ace groupset, carbon wheels and not to mention THAT cockpit 😅. With all these upgrades, it must perform to the level of a modern super-bike… right? Let’s find out.
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00:00 – Intro
00:34 – The GCN Tech Neo-Retro Pinarello
01:52 – Sprint Race
03:25 – More About The Bike
05:05 – Hillclimb Race
07:41 – How Did The Retro Bike Perform
09:24 – What Would You Do Differently?
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36 Comments
What would you do if you were given a budget for a bike? Upgrade a Retro classic? Buy a frame and pick your build kit? Or even just buy off of the shelf?
Cool bike wit too expensive group set, but that geometry js really nervous and twitchy on the ride.
That rear triangle does me head in. Were they really that narrow looking back in the day…
terrible, who is asking for this content?? get back to your roots GCN
I like the GTA “Dropped” version but I think GTA means “Grand Theft Alex” 😂😂😂
Nice neo-retrospective Pinarello with new components Alex! That’s really slick and classy! 🔥🔥🔥
Life isn't a tour.
I don't need to be anywhere a minute or two faster.
A 10kg steely from the 90s gets the job done fast enough around my hood.
I'm 95kg, so a few kg on my bike means SFA.
this bike should be compared by you with a new one on the same stretch of road
We really have to admit Pinarello is trying hard selling these expensive bikes 😆
Having worked in the trade and designed and built custom bikes, I would say that the retro scene is not about building something to beat modern bikes. It is about building something that moves the soul as well as the body. We develop a connection with something we build ourselves, it imbues that bike with spirit and narrative. Some days, you have to put your face in the wind and enjoy the moment of riding something special, even of the modern bike riders are dropping you because they care for speed more than journey. This is why I also ride a custom motorcycle as well as a custom bicycle. I can honestly say that I love my bikes more because I built them and I know every bolt and quirk. I may not be fast, but I am at peace with the world as I ride. Well done Alex on building something beautiful, how about we see you go to frame building school and you build your own frame too? It does not have to be metal these days, how fast can you go on a Bamboo frame with that finishing kit?
Really envy of those dogmas lol
Is that pub a regular GCN beverage stop? I could swear I have seen that bench in a number of videos before possibly going all the way back to the Matt Stephens era.
This was a great concept and video! I'm afraid to know the answer, but I'm curious how a modern steel/titanium bike with do in a similar competition. Over on the tech channel, the lads were talking about whether pros will ever reach for alloy bikes again. GCN science can take credit for early adaption??
It's a bike. It goes as fast as the rider can manage.
Outside of racing, what bike you ride doesn't matter. Especially how "fast" it is.
So long as it's safe, reliable and you enjoy it? Ride what you like.
Probably my fav bike spot at yesterday's hill climb champs, was an old timer spectator with a Tamassini. You just know he's been riding that thing for 30+ years (racing/club rides/cruising with his mates) and loving every second of it.
This had me looking for frames and bike parts like there is no tomorrow. The price tag Alex mentioned did make me reel in some of that enthusiasm and reconsider what level of components I'm looking into…
I love the passion Alex put into this project, and creating something like this makes ownership much more personal.
It’s not so much the bike but the rider. I mean the bike helps but you’re the engine. And this engine on my modernized 2007 Giant OCR 1 with 105 11 speed smokes a great majority of cyclists at our state and local events on their newer carbon framed bikes. But then, I actually train. 😊
I actually just built a bike up after my bike frame was damaged in a crash and sustaining 9 cracked rips and a dislocated AC joint. I used the recovery time to shop for parts to build a new bike. Bought a nice frame off Ebay, beautiful green carbon Cannondale Synapse , (guy had bought the wrong size) and then shopped for parts. Ended up with new components by shopping around and taking advantage of a of initial 20% plus discounts that many retailers offer first time customers! Did most of the build myself and then had a local bike shop check things for me. Best bike I have ever had and was a lot of fun doing built. Not sure if doing a build is any cheaper, but you do end up with a bike with the components and wheels that you like! I haven’t added up cost. It's best to be totally ignorant on some things your wife might asked about! “I got everything on sale”!!😎
R8000 and some alloy hoops with premium hubs. Quill stem and modern nitto bars…and you can still ride up grades.
Awesome passion project, regardless the price. I love the contrast that Alex has done, old with new. The touch points remain to be the important aspects of the ride/feel. Most passion projects arent meant to be raced, rather enjoyed, fun to see Alex go toe to toe and race it. Great content … I would love to see something a little more faux pas in the bike world .. being a high end frame built up with a low to mid range groupset with high value / lower budget wheels/rims. A "self build" per say, instead of how the bike industry has created a "bundled" "cheaper" priced bike ( bc being "stuck" into buying a bike, creates a lot of frustration for buyers) .. contrasting the value and effectiveness of both purchases. Uncovering the more reasonable and specific for the rider .
That bike looks amazing 😮
Love it! Did a similar build by putting new mechanical 105 and modern Ritchey cockpit on a 2019 reissue of a 1971 Masi Gran Criterium.
great fun 🙂 only one thng to say … where will those carbon fibre super bikes be in 30 years ? cracked and binned be my guess…
With carbon wheels, the Pinarello looks a bit like “Frankenstein”
The bike looks sharp, the orange really pops. I've recently went back to more classic looking frames with a couple custom double triangle frames, one steel and the other titanium. The look of them with modern parts just appeals to me, but the tubes are a little bigger than a retro frame. I've sold off a lot of my modern carbon frames and opted for these. Plus, the classic look masks my lack of speed in my old age. 😂
Wow big surprise they confirmed that you should buy the latest version of their sponsor's bikes. So thankful power meters were not used to muddy the waters.
Confirmed: “The frame is the bike, everything else is just clothing.”
~ Bill Strickland
Confirmed: “The frame is the bike, everything else is just clothing.”
~ Bill Strickland
Modern bike prices (and latest component prices) won't make an economic bike no matter what. Just get bar end friction shifting as this bike should, shave significant weight and cost. Third party wheels like chinese stuff with ceramic brake surface or better, local wheelbuilder with quality parts like CK or WI. Should reduce the cost by a good couple of grand.
I like the Pinarello. I personally don't have any problems with mixing old school frames with new tech – esp. if it means an older bike can be rode around on vs being stuck on a wall stripped down to the frame as a trophy (or worse). I'm always for keeping a bike rolling, and it doesn't "have" to be kept like it was originally or period correct (though that is nice as well).
Its like dressìng my granny in a mini skirt…..just dont do it. And keep the retro as it was and enjoy the outdoors, the autumn smell, the birds, feeling free….thats what i do on my 1985 2 x 7 Bianchi
How wide are the rims and tyres? I've rebuilt my supersix himod rim with 25mm tubulars, it climbs amazingly (6kg), but it's horrible everywhere else vs my OEM Chinese aero superbike. And it's not even faster uphill, it just feels snappier which is nice.
Had to be a Mechanical group. That's where you went wrong. Everything else is ace. I use my Orro Ekar equipped gravel bike and it's awful. It's noisy. The bottom bracket bearings fail every ten minutes. The headset bearings are dreadful but I can't change them as the cables go through them. Brilliant that idea. I now ride with EarPods as the bike's noise output ruins every ride otherwise. Oh and the Ekar cassettes are made or papier mache and after 6 months of 20 miles a day the chain slips as the teeth are gone in the range I spend most time on. Oh and if you stupidly decide to remove the Ekar joining link to you know clean stuff it doesn't work again. So you have to buy a new one for £10. Just to put the chain back on. Ekar is crap. Never again with Campagnolo. Shite.
I still have my classic bikes alongside my modern road bike, and still enjoy riding them. It's great to enjoy them and give them an outing on a club ride, where speed/pace isn't so critical. I have found that an upgrade to the fork can make a significant upgrade to a bike's performance… even to change its character. I have a steel Colnago master, and was able to locate an original Colnago star carbon fork with a 1" steerer (as fitted to the 1st generation C40s). Not only is it an authentic upgrade, the gap has been shortened somewhat.
I think you could have made a really nice bike without spending so much to be honest. I get the experiment idea but don’t think it worked out.
The brakes meant absolutely nothing in this test… except they may have been more aero, not less. The biggest compromise is running skinny, 23mm tires, considering the TdF was just won on 30mm tires. One other upgrade that would benefit performance is to replace the steel fork with a modern, carbon fork. A comfortable, long lasting steel frame and lightweight, more aero carbon fork is a great combo, especially 80 miles into a century ride. Spending $8k- and much more- on a mass produced plastic bike when that money could buy you a custom measured-and-built-just-for-you frame (of any material) and curated build kit is not money well spent. Sorry, you aren't MVdP, WVA, Pogi, etc. Their bikes aren't optimized for us. The marketing departments are paid to convince us that they are.