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The new TREK Madone faces some criticism as a review shows strange sizing and fit issues. Why do people think Italian bikes are better, even when they are made in the same factories as the main brands?
Cam Nicholls tests a rim brake bike vs a Disc brake bike and we do a full review of the Gravel World Championships.
Chapters
00:00 intro
00:30 TREK Madone Issues Continue
26:11 Are Italian Bike Better?
46:45 Gravel World Champs
58:30 USA Gravel Riders No Show
1:10:23 Rim Brake vs Disc Brake
1:27:53 Strava Pseudonym’s
@CamNicholls Rim vs Disc Bike video – https://youtu.be/NnBDJ1XTlTQ?si=w3W-bVgDXRpep-_r
@bicyclestation Trek Review – https://youtu.be/riISNGZSsKc?si=ii79DnOQ28K_jRI0
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35 Comments
That doesn't look like a gravel race? I'd happily ride a road bike on that. A gravel race should be more technical personally, but IDK, often the terrain that you see World Cup ski racing take place on is not the hardest terrain on the mountain. Overall the ethos of gravel is more in line with the video clips of the AUS track.
32:20 brutha ewww brutha
Bianchi are in the process of bring total Manufacturering back to Italy
If I compare Bianchi Oltre XR4 rim to Pinarello Dogma F10 rim (I own both) The Bianchi is always smoother, Pinarello is always faster. I have compared my ride data on both many times.
It seems the commenters use the phrase “honest” when they really mean they appreciate detailed and thorough reviews (and sometimes negative feedback). I see this across many channel/review types. The viewer would have no way to know what is really “honest”.
So the winner in the battle of "rim vs disk" are wheels and tyres?
Imagine if rim brake bikes had gone through the same aero refinement and wide tyre optimisation that has been lavished on disk bikes to make them marginally faster than rim brake bikes? 🤔
Basso bikes are atill made in Italy
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I watched the Gravel Worlds last 15km on Youtube — so proud of myself.
I have toe overlap on every roadbike including my sl8 (54) despite having small feet (41,5) and short cranks (165). And its huge overlap not a little bit.
Toe overlap in Trek race geoemtry models is I believe fairly common. i have two mates with the previous generation Madone. One has overlap the other doesn't! Bikes are different sizes.
How can tyre clearance be a win with such toe overlap? The tester was using maybe 28s. Put 38s on and would the bike be safe to run on routes with even 'modest' bends in the road or any normal gravel track?
How has the toe overlap not been an issue for the pros riding the Madones, or has it?
Must be a Trek thing. My 2022 Emonda size 52 had the same toe overlap issue.
I’ve never had an issue with any other bike of the same size.
Talking about Italian bikes, pinarellos are made using toray carbon fiber, which is Japanese, made in Japan, and one of the biggest suppliers of carbon fiber for the cycling market. Ridley uses Toray carbon fiber too, I bet most high end bikes you ride are.
Get the loop that Cam did today for his training video.
I ride a 2021 Trek Emonda (54) without running into a major toe overlap issue. My size 47 feet did run into an overlap issue when trying a Specialized Roubaix. Zero issues with my Felt Breed gravel ride.
3T is making a range of bikes in italy. The top end bikes called italia and are made in a really special way a bit like time does. They are near perfect for me.
3T for me for the win.
Boys, the reason that the US Gravel riders didn't go doesn't have a lot to do with USA Cycling or funding. It is primarily a timing issue and that the premier gravel races in the USA are not UCI events and the UCI scheduled the World Championships in a way that conflicted with two of the Lifetime Grand Prix events. Riders would have to skip one or both events to travel, recon, and acclimate for the World Championships. Pair that with the fact that the LTGP races tend to be much longer and technical (in the sense of how "gravely" the courses are, ranging from dirt to flint rock to actual MTB trail) compared to the relatively short and "mild" gravel that favors world tour racers, and it isn't surprising that the top US talent skipped. The reality is that Unbound is the de facto Gravel world championship (or maybe Leadville) and the big name world tour riders haven't fared particularly well there because it is "gravely" enough to take them outside their comfort zones. The sponsors of the US Gravel riders base their support almost exclusively on LTGP results; that is their market and their visibility, not a novelty "gravel" race in Europe by the UCI.
It is widely known that the US gravel scene has intentionally tried to maintain distance from the UCI as the UCI is not well regarded in the US and the "spirit of gravel" was always to resist the overreach and bureaucracy of the UCI. I think there is a widespread sentiment that gravel is better without the UCI interfering or trying to assume control of anything that looks like a bike race. In return, I think there is an effort by the UCI to delegitimize any racing that they don't control, so they create "gravel" events designed to highlight world tour riders as a novelty rather than to try to build the sport of gravel racing on its own merits and with its own riders.
Chipollini bikes made in Italy. Actually it is a carbon manufacturer company, who's costumers are McLaren, Porsche, Lamborghni, etc. They saw an opportunity to make carbon bikes, since they know a lot about carbon. Bikes made from carbon, and if its Italian it worth even more, they got Mario as their name/face for a share in the bike company as a marketing and here is an italian bike brand.
I enjoyed Gravel Worlds. It's the type of 'gravel' ride I do regularly. A good mix of road, woodland tracks, open fields, smoother singletrack etc. I don't have those long open ranch-access style gravel roads you see at many US races such as Unbound etc. and I think it's a better test of all-round bike skills on this type of varied terrain. Gravel means different things to different people so good to mix it up each year I reckon.
The Rene Herse cantilever and the centerpull brake can fit up to 56 mm tyres. So there is no need to change to disc brakes on a road bike.
Guys .. Check out Officina Battaglin , if you know your geometry, 2 video calls & frame will arrive mm perfect. Absolute professional frame builders in Italy.
I have big feet (46 EU size) so I’ve had toe overlap on every bike I’ve owned.
One small point, PT doesn't run tubeless. He does road TT's going to the finest level of detail to optimise his rig. He runs TPU's. Probably need to try TPU's fellas, just to say you have. You'll lose a bunch of grams in rotational weight as well and gain life by not having to faff with sealant.
Bianchi is for fruitcakes. The rest is Italo-Beauty!
Kopecy told the belgian press she could hear the tyre pressure changing thing every change of surface. She added she finds it funny and told the best competiter has won fairly
Romanian here, thanks for the shoutout 😜🤣
I have toe over lap on my sl8 in a 44cm. But it only seems to be noticeable when wearing specialized ares shoes. My toe cap has been murdered.
Marianne Vos did use the tyre inflation system. Actually, she used it in the sprint as well. Both Kopecky and Marianne stated this in an interview with Sporza.
Had toe over lap on all my Trek bike using a 170 crank arm length. Eventually switched to 165 when I got my tarmac and no issue with toe overlap.
All of my bikes are too small for me and i experience toe rub, but never while im out riding; It's usually when im waiting in a traffic stop. All of my bikes have 23mm tires at 100psi or more. Yes, i can feel everything in the road. IM NEVER COMPLAINING ABOUT THESE ISSUES. its not like im riding an old aluminum bike at 120psi for 4-6 hrs. THAT'S actually too stiff painful. THEN you have the right of passage to complain. 😊
We have Långloppscupen in Sweden since 1993 something. Its on MTB and looks like a MTB Marathon but these were longer in the beginning of the era. Winning time at 4h. but they are much shorter änd less singletrack now. So Gravel is "Långlopp" in Sweden. Some can be ridden on gravelbikes. https://youtu.be/bd2Mxw-UgXA?si=bM5E9Hug9cSIeeJl
PeakTorque reviewed his gravel Yoeleo and he, rightly, slammed it for having toe overlap on a Large frame. Some overlap is expected on the smallest frames, such as mine, but on a large that should have been rejected by the designers. It shows, in my opinion, how aggressive Trek was in cutting SKUs while not paying attention to the basics.
Ride a custom titanium bike – no white flags being waved here.
As a previous TREK sales agent and trek bike owner i can't HONESTLY tell you why you should buy the new Trek Madone other than it's a good bike, the Bontrager wheels have solid warranty, and trek paint jobs are fantastic.
Chris is so mad the rim brake bike won