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Far Sport release a sub-1200g 50mm deep carbon wheelset which has us comparing this to other wheels in the market. Jesse deep dives internal and external rim depth, and we talk about which is best suited to each circumstance.
@remcoev gives us a training day VLOG, Hill Climb content is back and we revisit the infamous Coros Dura Bike Computer.
Chapters
00:00 intro
00:30 FarSports Sub 1200g Carbon Wheelset
16:59 Why Weight Matters For Wheels
22:53 Internal vs External Rim Widths
31:01 Choosing The Best Rim Width
40:37 Sub Question: When To Go Big Tyres
49:05 Remco’s Training VLOG
58:47 Hill Climb Content
1:00:23 Coros Dura Updates
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44 Comments
@55:06 mentioning wanting to see remco's power data on the 7 hr 35 min training ride. This is actually very easily interpreted. At the end of his video he claims to burn 8K calories total, 2K coming from metabolism. therefore, 6k calories in 7.5hrs riding = 800 cals per hour. Using the general rule of thumb of 360 calories per hour of 100 watts avg, we can calculate his avg watts were ~222 over the whole day of riding
You guys danced around the final conclusion on wheels. Basically there isn't a perfect set by current standards. They all seem to have at least one deficiency or substandard feature. It is a relatively straightforward checklist when you boil it down:
External Width 34mm or higher (30mm to 32mm tire width seems to be the sweetspot for Aero and Rolling resistance)
Internal Width 25mm or higher
Rim Depth 50mm or deeper
Hooked Rims (as the market matures the demand for hookless is nonexistent)
Carbon Spokes
Ceramic Bearings
Under 1300 grams
Around $1500 to $2000 USD
**Some actual test data on aerodynamics and crosswind stability**
Bonus feature would be solid rim bed to eliminate tubeless tape and no-clog valves included
Been waiting for something to hit the market that meets this spec and there isn't anything… yet.
What missed from the Remco video was the WHY. It had what who where, but we didnt get any insight into why he'd do these types of blocks, where he is in his training etc etc.
i got farsports S evo with ceramic bearings from ceramic speed. this wheel are no joke it very good. it super smooth the only downside for the old version it limited only for 25c tire.
I think one very important aspect of wheels that gets ignored by a lot of these discussions is the ride feel and confidence they give you when bombing down a descent. I own a set of enve 7.8s and a set of bora 50s (not wto) and the boras brake and corner waaaay better than the enves, even if they are 2-4 watts slower on average. so i generally ride the boras a lot more, even though they are objectively slower and definitely less stable on crosswinds. lateral stiffness and reliability is a big plus for me as a 85kg rider
Great stuff! I get the external rim width/measured tire width relationship is super important especially on the front, but if you have that part correct I'm not getting why you also need to worry about what the internai rim width is. I think I'd want a wider internal rim width, again as long as the external width is a match for the tire width. Can anyone help with this? Thanks!
"doesn't that annoy you?" Jessi is all out trying to trigger Chris.
There's always the clearance issues so some manufacturers keep combability with narrower rims.
What about the Newmen Streem Vonoa?
My 10 year old Roubaix sl4 Ultegra weighs 7.5kg without pedals. For 18k I would want to be at 6.6kg or no deal.
Remco trains from Calpe at the Costa Blanca. All the pros go to the area since short time. The cycling is amazing there. Beautiful climbs. Hot weather for heat soaking. Don’t tell further 🤫
1:19:45 I name my sensors as well for similar reasons. Also, dear god the ad interrupts are getting out of hand lol
I hear Jesse throwing shade on Chris‘ package 😂
Hillclimbing needs proper rules, and a motorsport style BoP, so the lightest rider on a light bike can be challenged……otherwise, I find it a joke.
At what point does light become fragile?
Would you guys check out Newmen wheels? German Brand and cheap.
Spoke Width makes a big difference in Side Wind Stability. Zipps and Enve have Narrow Spokes
There are some rules in certain hill climbs, UK, especially more official, last year you had to run front and rear lights mandatory on the national championship
There are some rules in certain hill climbs, UK, especially more official, last year you had to run front and rear lights mandatory on the national championship
Deep and intense research and results for effectively the .5% of riders who project to pdium a race or a crit. For the rest of riders who are luckily at 27 to 29kmh lets just say that these science at the rim ratio and aerodynamics results are borderline irrelevant. But again , thx guys for the 40mins lecture maybe not again
So many of the new niche brands popping up are rebranded FarSports. Creative for example. Real shake up here is the new wheel from Ccache! Same thing but $2099 AUD! I'm eyeing these off because the price is insane for the weight/depth/width.
In calculating internal/external width, you should addldeduct 1mm for hookless/hooked wheels. All hookless save 1mm for not having and hook, and vice versa. This can be prodded by looking at manufacturers which offer same time in hookless/hooked option. For example Light Bicycle, well respected manufacturer of rims. That would change data a bit, make it more comparable.
I'm 22min in and they act like big companies are making worse parts on purpose? Is no one going to realize the lighter something gets the more fragile it is? The big brands have a responsibility to sell wheels that won't crack under a million different conditions. Same goes for Dura Ace/SRAM etc. Can they make lighter parts? – 100%. Will they last? probably not.
Have you taken in account Farsports come with $650 ceramic speed bearings?
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Saying he didnt want to ride the instagram users bike for a fear factor is so cringe
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I did a full WW build (down to 6kg) and slowly un WW'd it (back to prob 8kg now). Even with all the rolling hills here the heavier bike is objectively better to ride. That said I am doing a new build that combines the best of both (I call it "watt weenie")
Jesse one month on from finally breaking free from rim brakes and 25mm tires is now an expert on wide rims and tires and fretting about the marginal differences between the brands 🤪
All "named brands" are all made in China so dont't kid yourself thinking you got a wheelset that's not chinese.
Was surprised watching Pogacar interview how much of a historian of cycling Attia is.
So it’s not the size that counts, it’s the shape 🤭 for wheels only?
Hookless is a problem for me, I’m looking for a new wheelset however hookless is not an option.
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Here are some real world weight of wheels I've used. My 2025 Farsports wheels with steel spokes still come in lighter than some of my carbon spoke wheels. Not to mention wider too. Easily some of my favorite wheels.
No6 45/50 (45/50mm) – 1272g
Elite Drive 45mm – 1288g
Craft Racing CS (50/60mm) – 1301g
Hyper 3 D45 (46/54mm) – 1360g
FarSports EVOc6 (58mm/58mm) – 1364g Steel Spokes
Magene Exar DB508 (50mm/58mm) – 1366g
SuperTeam EVO II (50/50mm) – 1387g
The 1050 is really great!
SRAM/Zipp released the 454 NSW, 303 & 404 Firecrest in 2020. I think they are the last of the brand name manufacturers to not have made updates. So it makes sense the rim profiles are outdated
Comparing all these carbon wheels and pricing doesn't hold water until you also confirm what level of carbon is being used in the construction as that has a huge bearing on how the wheels feel and perform.
2024, anything under 24-25 mm internal is oudated imo.
I do love how Chris is sickened by the thought of riding an S5 with lightweight components 🤣
Hey guys…I want to get your opinions on a deal I'm getting for wheels (price, rim width and all that considering what's been talked about here). I'm able to get some Brand new Dura-Ace C50's for $950 US….considering what's out there now vs. what I'm getting price wise for those wheels…is that a good deal? I can't spend any more than that and hesitant to actually spend less considering the wheels go for $1800 right now.
Thanks for your input.
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Those farsports wheels look very similar to Creative + CCACHE new wheelsets. Coinky-dink?
My issues with all Chinese manufacturing are tolerances and repeatable quality. It’s not that the Chinese are incapable of excellent craftsmanship but the industrial environment makes manufacturing short cuts much easier to slip in.
I'm with Chris as far as naming power meters/HR monitors/Radar/SRAM stuff, i have multiples of all of it and i have to know it's working before i leave the house! I bought a Duro also because i use their running watch (battery life on that is incredible also!!!)…..i really want that lap screen for efforts and my firmware doesn't show it, when was it released? Mine says up to date and is version 3.0608.0