Do the police enforce the road rules to cyclists in a just manner? Or have cyclists been misbehaving on the road?
In this edition of the GCN Show, Si and Dan discuss what the police could do and what cyclists could do when it comes to breaking the law on the road!
Additionally, a cyclist gets cautioned at the Vuelta a España, F1 drivers taking up gravel racing, and many more!
00:00 GCN Show headlines
00:35 James Knox making history in Vuelta a España
01:40 Fully 3D printed bike
02:20 Si’s fear of cows being justified
04:51 Cyclists breaking the rules
06:07 Should the police prosecute cyclists?
07:09 Delivery rider on the M6 Motorway
08:33 Commonwealth teams on the motorway
09:37 What should cyclists do?
11:03 Number plates of bicycles
13:46 Cycling shorts
13:51 UK Under-18 race making national news
16:31 Pablo Torres breaking records
18:06 Sebastien Vettel in the Swiss epic ride
19:05 Hack/bodge of the week
26:26 Caption competition
30:12 Comments of the week
34:00 Coming up this week
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What are your thoughts on policing rogue cyclists? 🚴👮
Compulsory test, registration and insurance for drivers don't stop them speeding, running red lights and having generally inconsiderate behaviour on the road, so it seems unlikely there's anything that would make the same people suddenly behave when riding bikes.
I freely admit that I have violated my fair share of traffic laws while riding a bicycle. I too have been stopped by the police for violating traffic laws. And I'm also annoyed at the rise in anti-cycling attitudes I've seen happening around me. Though it has been my experience that anti-cycling attitudes are nothing new. I experienced them when I first started riding regularly in the early 80's while growing up in Colorado.
Despite my past rogue behaviors, and in spite of other's behaviors, I think cyclists should comply with traffic laws. It's generally safer for riders as it makes us more predictable, for automobile drivers to safely navigate around us. It also makes it harder for anti-cycling people to criticize us as rogue idiots who think we can do whatever we want. As a consequence, I think that law enforcement officers should stop, and occasionally ticket, cyclists when they violate traffic laws in a reckless manner. I doubt most law enforcement officers like showing up at an accident scene to see a mangled cyclist hauled off to the hospital or morgue because the cyclist decided to ride like Evil Knievel and got smacked by an automobile. If we want to ride like Evil, I think we should (and video and post it on YouTube, so I can watch). However, I would argue that, we need to save it for days, locations and times where it's safe for us to do it without dragging others into it. Roads can be busy and chaotic, and it works a lot more efficiently when everyone is doing the right thing.
Laws need to be applied evenly to everyone. Selectively applying laws to apply to some people on not others is also known as corruption. You really don't want police officers deciding who they want to punish and who they don't. They must apply as broad and even a brush as reasonably possible. If you believe that cyclists should not be prosecuted for breaking the law, then you should change the law so that it doesn't apply to cyclists. If you think the law should apply then it should be enforced. If your society can not afford to enforce the law because there are too many law breakers, or too few police officers than you have a bigger problem to solve. Selective enforcement is a terrible solution to that problem, though.
@Si. If you want to come and ride Colle delle Finestra and the via Assietta (the higher road you couldn't remember) you are welcome to come and stay. I live at the bottom of the colle in Fenestrelle. Could make a great video. 🤔
The expected outbreak of ‘whataboutery’ has arrived! Riding within the basic laws governing cycling in the UK is pretty easy. Some think they are special and the laws don’t apply, well if you want to fall on that sword, crack on, it rarely ends well.
#captioncompetition "Pro teams are experimenting with new efficient hydration methods"
I have seen Police pull over a cyclist for jumping a red light. It was busy, cyclist was on some illegal derestricted e-bike and the Police car was directly behind them. I’m certain they wouldn’t have bothered about the bike if the rider hadn’t jumped the red light. Feels like we already have the right level of policing- generally no harm, no foul but if you’re obviously taking the piss then expect to get nicked.
#captioncontest. Primos Roglic proves his bladder muscle is just as strong as his legs : "Sorry guys, but it's been a long ride and I just couldn't hold it any longer".
Trek team started in the middle of Lidl 😂
That’s cow 🐮 has serious beef with cyclist . Sorry !!!! I like to milk 🥛 the comments. It gives some the cow horn. Udderly ridiculous
I believe there is a town in Colorado that specifically tickets cyclists who speed through the town center. Posted limit is 25 mph, I think.
A 'food delivery e-bike cyclist' on the M6. Don't tell me what he looks like.
That cow was framed. Si’s cow propaganda has to stop! 😂
When cyclists violate car-centric road rules, we do it to reduce risk to ourselves without adding risk or inconvenience to anyone else. Note: Road rules have been designed primarily to keep cars from hitting pedestrians and from hitting each other. They generally apply very poorly to bicycles.
Very enjoyable show😊 Loved the cow incident🤣. Dan, you seem happier – less reserved than before! I’m wondering if your health/fitness journey is showing in this dimension as well. If so, this might be an aspect to discuss on your series.
The rules are the rules the Police are there to police those rules. They should deal with all offenders that they catch breaking those rules. While most rules are there to improve the safety of the road not all are. Some are there to improve traffic flow, some to reduce potential misunderstanding. Users saying what I did wasn't dangerous is not really the point.
mooooove over
I had a friend get pulled over by a cop for speeding on his bike. He was doing 35 mph down a gradual straight downhill in a 30 mph zone. The cop flipped on his lights and pulled him over, and told him even on a bike he has to obey the speed limit. Let him off with a verbal warning,
Glad Si spotted the Klein! I nerded out on that too!
'Middle aged white guy'! You are so woke.🤦
Squirrels!?! You should try Miami mate! We have peacocks that behave exactly the same as squirrels, but are the size of a small child! And Iguanas are just as bad. Squirrels aren't to much of an issue down here. I think that's because we have large things that eat them.
That is a klein bike well spotted but the true touch of class is the brake booster / brace 😂
I must say in California, at least in Kern County, they really have really been working hard at integrating bicycle lanes in our roadways and have given cyclist consideration in new construction projects.
A national bike registry would be a great idea. It would enable the police to find and return stolen bikes. I'm sure they'd love to provide such a service.
Caption comp,
Last week's caption competition winner accidentally opens manons champagne leaving bidon.
And then, there is Lucas Brunelle……😂
#captioncompetition "it's raining watts, hallelujah, it's raining watts"
i accidentaly cycled cycled on a motorway straight off the ferry at Portsmouth…
😮
I think if you got a cow through your spokes, it might be a bit uncomfortable.
Apparently Si's fear of cows does not extend to his "T" shirt No Bull
#captioncompetition ‘No hack needed, just short out the electronics.’
#captioncompetition GCN fan regrets having Champagne in their water bottle.
Klein bikes had rear-facing dropouts and internally routed cables; I think that hack/bodge was something else.
I've still got my old Klein. It's pretty sweet.
20 mph in Wales. Someone should have told Lotte Kopecky and Anna Henderson about the 20mph limit, as they sped past the edge of our village on this year's Womens Tour of Britain. And the rest of the peloton, sevice vehicles etc. Mind you, i ere was a 'rolling road closure' in operation at the time. 😉😂
There’s a researcher at some UK university, could be Bristol or Bath or somewhere else entirely. Anyway, they found that most people riding bikes view themselves as pedestrians and therefore adhere to those rules, I e no rules. As for me, for a time my ride from work home passed a village where there was one of those signs that light up off you pass to fast. I never managed to make it light up.
B i k E NICE. Ride to the level of your smile. Ride in a way that makes all others smile too.
I've just watched a clip of the isle of Man TT where the fastest lap was done at over 135moh. Banning a cycle event on a closed road because of a 20mph speed limit is both comical and sad.
French here.
I break the law on my bike because cycling amongst cars is dangerous as hell, and I want to get from point A to point B ASAP. I only endanger myself.
Motorists break the law because they consider other people's lives to be less important than the text they're typing out.
I shall respect road rules when road rules respect me.
Last summer I went on a cycling trip to Holland, and I respected traffic laws more times in 5 minutes than in 15 years of cycling around Paris, my home town.
Because everything flowed, everything was designed around me not getting caked by some dude in a Ford 150 checking if his football team had won whilst driving.
Respecting Dutch traffic laws made complete sense, as these laws kept me safe, so I respected them.
French traffic laws make it that a 33ton truck turning right will turn into me as we both start at once when the light turns green.
So yeah, I'm going through the red.
This Yank had never heard the term "knobhead" until now, but I'm thinking this might well become my new go-to derogatory name call. Hearing Si and Dan use it made me giggle.
#captioncompetition imagine the timing of a GCN bottle filled with old champagne blowing up right as the peloton passed through. Champagne vinegar surprise. 😂
In that case, kangaroos must just be giant squirrels. They are completely unpredictable.
I've just encountered this dilemma on the group ride. A rider om his way to the group ride blasted through a red light I was waiting at. I have a private word to say I wasn't impressed by this. He shrugs "who cares?"
The ride is fine but at a pause he notices I'm running a camera and objects; "you should really ask permission before using that". My opinion is that there is no expectation of privacy in a public space.
Later at the end of the ride he goes through the same red light.
Was I right to challenge?
Do you have an objection to people running cameras?
Would you also not report this infraction to the police?
#comment of the week” guys, slow down, where’s the bloody fire?”
Electric bikes, especially +30kph models are being ridden by people that lack the skills to handle them, and maintain them.
To ride a motorcycle you need a license, you need to be of a certain age to hold a license, and to complete a course. And it takes time.
These illegal bikes are just a sneaky way of sidestepping those laws.
Ride like a motorbike? Accept the same rules.
I think it should be illegal for kids to ride these bikes, they can’t hold a license, how are these bikes any different….