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An extract from Anthony’s conversation with Cycling Legend Greg LeMond on the Roadman Cycling Podcast.

Greg is one of the greatest riders to ever ride a bike, three time Tour de France Champion & Two Time World Champion. Greg joins Anthony for an unfiltered conversation about Doping, Mental Health and the current state of cycling.

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but also H know actually really there’s a lot of you know maybe not Clarity on my relation with them when I turned Pro uh I was 18 years old when I got offered a pro contract foro turned 19 a month later um and November of 1980 Hino and SAR flew to Reno Nevada and spent three days with me I went running with heo did a little psycho cross with him um he was an incredible person and he was a a a perfect leader for the team honestly he really broke the chain of the traditional one leader worker be behind him if you watch Edie MK everybody dedicated everything to him um and r no we had such good talent that we raced um at the moment if who whoever was the best at that moment would be the the leader um and it was really team strategy was great way to race because he know wasn’t this eego Maniac who insists on winning every race he helped writers in races and so knowing that he was truly he was a hero but I admired him as a person and he would stick to his words if he said he’s going to split the prize money he was going to do this and do that he would do it and so the difficult thing was going to him in ‘ 85 and it’s still he was the same person ‘ 85 he didn’t try to uh uh keep me from winning the tour kley and tapi did and um he know when I I had four or five minutes on him in the stage and lard Dan I don’t think he know was yelling at kley was that the day roach yeah da with roach and uh I don’t think he was telling kley to go tell me to stop because he wants to win the Tour he but kley and capy that was their goal when the tour to France and kley uh the team lied to me said basically said he’s 45 seconds behind me I waited minutes and he still didn’t show up and he was still 2 minutes behind me so so I was upset at the team not at heo at all and H know said I I he realized he won the Tour that year he’s going to work for me the next year and help me understand the tactics there Greg because it’s 1985 heo wins the tour for his Fifth and final time and you’re second on GC we don’t really see that anymore we see teams set up and maybe with the exclusion of jumbo visma here this year because I can’t really understand their tactics where they’re still keeping sep cous in the top 10 what we’re typically seeing in you know the post Armstrong era teams set up around one Rider who’s leading the team domestics will ride themselves to a halt in the mountains and then they’ll pull off where they can hardly turn a pedal stroke anymore how is this working where he knows winning the tour but you’re and you’re in a supporting role but still able to hang on for second overall but we weren’t it was still similar racing at that time I mean I said the other teams had one leader how how many teams really have two turn fr potential T France winners and almost the same honestly Gart had three T France winners at the same level H know f are at really Three Twitter France winners out of one team very very rare So if you thought about it from a sponsor perspective it’s a safe bet having two Riders can win the Tour or or the jro although although at one point somebody’s going to have to make that sacrifice but it doesn’t guarantee that you pick that one leader that he’s going to be the best that year um what would better have me and Renault through against you know or me with you know on tap with with on Lobby Clair at the time that was a smart move because I think if I stayed with Renault um in 85 I would have won but at the time I got paid there to go help him win his I got paid handsomely uh I got paid to help him win his fifth tour as long as he was the best as long as he was the best if he wasn’t I was given a free open cart to go for the tour win that’s that was the difficult thing because he was he was better than me in the first week and a half two weeks he was I had some not great days that at tour but I kept feeling better and better and then the stage into lard Dan um uh I went with roach on the teray and by the time I we got to the foothill I I think we were three or four minutes up on them I I I wasn’t certain I only learned that after the stage but I think we might have been as high as four or five minutes up um I waited for him and still finished two and a half minutes up and I was when I give my word I give my word I don’t break contracts I stick stick to agreements and as upset I was with the team um he know said he’ work me for the next year the next day he was getting dropped in L beastman Ro one and I literally pushed him up the tour and so knowing that I really did allow him to win but that’s what I said I would do and if I and I would have been able to win the Tour I don’t I believe I would have been able to win that tour if if he if kley wasn’t in charge of the team I would have won that day or been on in the top place in in lcard Dan and I would have had four minutes on heo it wouldn’t have been heo holding me back it was it was the team that’s who I was upset with so so we’re heading to 86 and then we have this you know so much has been made of this promise from heo to say next year it’s your turn in ‘ 86 is there truth in that that he did he say that oh yeah I mean even in the interview I saw I don’t know somebody said there was an uh new documentary in France I and I saw an interview with you know two or three weeks before 86 tour and he said oh yeah Greg’s you know he’s going to I’m going to work for him what he I I know he went to Colombia and had a good he came out of a really good shape and he but I know that there was more imagine that he was a five-time Twitter FRS winner and tapy Bernard Tey people knew who he was he was like a trump I mean egomaniac um you know know scary powerful actually and uh I imagine he’s telling you know Screw lemon forget yeah you know and and I could and I look back I go yeah I could see it because he had had a chance to be one time he’d have been the only six-time winner of the Tour of France and I think he could have won it that year if I he was that good and so of 3 days before the tour at the I think maybe at the tour he was asked you know about the leadership said well the leader is going to take place after the leader will be the one who wins the time trial the first one and I’m like are you I didn’t say anything to him but I’m like are you kidding me I can’t believe that changed and the crazy thing even if that was the case he won the time TR only because I had a flat tire and a broken wheel I would have won that time tral but what I didn’t know there was uh a whole collusion between the Riders uh tapy and and you know the stage in Depot that we went to the panes uh at that point we were basically same time on uh uh at the deep into the race was this because so you took the Jersy on stage 17 and then the first I remembered maybe your recollection is different but from looking at the videos I remember heo attacking the day after on stage 18 and I remember kind of asking my dad like to explain what the hell was going on in these videos because I with my basic cycling knowledge couldn’t understand what the hell was happening well the real G the real drama was the stage from um I forgot where it started to PO and we went over the Mary Blanc and uh there’s a one rule in cycling you don’t attack in the in the feed Zone and we’re all together and um when I look back I that day I I remember looking at our writers John F Bernard and a couple writers talking to um Reynolds team now Ben esto now whatever the new transition of that team is but Vanessa Reynolds uh with Delgado and right so we’re just cruising along just right before the um right before the feed somebody attacks through it boom attacks through it and it’s kind of chaos but I’m kind of going okay it’ll just slow down I grab my musette I get out and couple kilometers the petons kind of stopped you know okay everybody’s drinking and all that we go for 20ks like that I assume everybody’s together the whole pelon’s together and then the cockboard comes back and there’s know Delgado I forgot who else ke ke something like that almost four or five minutes up in a breakaway and I’m like I couldn’t believe it I couldn’t believe it and I just I literally freaked out and uh and how could I chase down he know by myself I couldn’t do that three four minutes it would have been I would have been killed chasing down the yellow Jersey and and what’s going on in the team is there like is the team split into two camps where it has camp lamon and Camp hoo inside the team or are you all pulling together well at that time we I thought we were pulling together and um but nobody tell me what happened all I knew was that he know was in front and there was no effort to kind of pull him back of course team’s not going to chase him down um anyways we went up to maray Blanc and then 20 Cas to go there’s a small climb before Po and I’m like it’s was six or seven minutes at this point I’m like screw it I got to take back a couple minutes I got to bring it keep it limited so I tacked I think I took lutra rare with me um it was only five man group at that point anyways with that I was with maybe 10 or 15 I can’t remember and I I pulled back two minutes two and a half minutes at in po then he know found out I was riding with lary he we almost got in a fist fight at at the end of the stage that still gave him that still gave him a five minute lead but it was that was his knockout stage he was he thought he had it he had me wiped out and uh that night I decided it’s over no more friend no more friendship and I knew the next day I had to take back as much as I could and I took back five minutes minutes his ego was so great that that he just thought he was that much stronger and he attacked on on The Descent of the tremay and I was so happy that he was out there by himself uh he had a couple minute lead at one point but we caught him at the bottom of Superman year and I I brought back that five minutes but it was that day after po that the team stopped talking but years later I just recently John for they did a a a documentary with heo um of that that tour and John FR finally came out and admitted that yeah they colluded possibly exchange money uh with the Reynolds team uh during that feed to to isolate me and so he said no it was I’m glad that he talked about it because he said it was clear it was it was a mind game on Greg it was kind of that’s that was the difficult thing was imagine having a friend a person you admired like a brother um the deception and not being transparent about it it would be like yeah I’m going to work with you and um and then not and in in one stage just before I took the yellow Jersey to on the cold of granon we had a stage finish in in gap and there was massive side winds and heo kept you know attacking into etalons and breakaways and I would follow but you couldn’t cover every one of them and all of a sudden he got away um and uh everybody stopped again I was isolated and I thank Robert Miller to to this day I said Robert you know get your team to work Panasonic I will give you the stage if you’re next to me in a Mountain Stage and he got his team to chase we caught him otherwise he’ have take another 2 three minutes on me and at that at the end of that day I just I had packed up my suitcase and I had walk in out the door I said I’m done I’m not doing this race anymore and tapy and Ki came at me yelling you can’t do this I said yes I can I’m done unless you actually this I can’t do this anymore don’t worry okay we’ll we’ll fix it he know race for you and so so he know the next day he gets drop the eard I take the old Jersey and then on La tuz he attacks on The Descent I try to follow a couple times and it’s kind of like you don’t just follow Chase your teammate down but he gets away and everybody stops kind of in this flat flatter section and um and I I I got to the to called a telegraph it’s about a kilometer climb and kley came up and said you cannot ride cuz I with or you cannot ride with anybody you cannot do it and I’m 200 met from the from the top to the telegraph so at 1 kilometer and I got so pissed I attacked as hard as I could sprinted I could hear Zimmerman almost losing the first turn I descended so fast I caught the the break it was two minutes up at the bottom of the of the uh Telegraph uh and cut the group um I shocked heo I just went right by him and just said let’s go because we isolated Zimmerman at during that stage I was dropping he know on cold of gral and he said no just my knees hurting let me pace I’ll set the pace will um you know right my pace and if uh so you save yourself for Zimmerman okay great at the bottom in the valley between uh the quad lefair I think it is quad lefair and LZ Kappy came up and said you know you’ve won the Tour Greg uh this is he know’s last uh stage I mean last tour why don’t you let him lead up the tour and I let up to us I was actually concerned about safety uh for my own safety like he know got I mean M got punched on prome and and the 7s I was actually very nervous about that and I was like okay great let him win the let him win the stage I’ve never gone up to up to us so easily it was like a training ride and uh but when we got done with that stage he said no the race isn’t over till the time tral so he kept moving the goal post excuse the short Interruption but I wanted to find a way to bring our little Community together to problem solve to share training advice and to support each other in what can sometimes be a lonely road as we all Chase Health happy happiness and Longevity through cycling to facilitate this I’ve set up a Discord Channel I’m going to leave a link in the description down below it doesn’t cost anything to join it’s totally free plus I’m also picking out random winners for spot prizes inside the Discord Channel if you’d like to join it click on the link down below and I because you have that picture from I think Graeme Watson the famous sports photographer has a picture from the third last Corner which if anyone hasn’t ridden op it’s probably 1.5 2 kilm from the top of op and it’s a brilliant picture because it captures clearly those facial expressions you can see the two of you guys looking up to the next switch back the Alps in the background but I don’t know you can read so much into a photograph like that but it doesn’t at that point look like a friendly relationship he looks like he’s riding a little bit more than Tempo but then you fast forward a couple of kilometers and you guys are arm and Arm coming across the finish line and you give them the stage you know is there meaning in that Embrace or is that totally just for the camera it was it was what tapy wanted but for me it was relief that that the race was over but you know Mountain’s over I’m not going to have to race against H know and uh I was more relief that I I it was over and then in the interview right after the after that stage and he said no it’s not over till the time TR I’m like I wish you would have said the bottom because honestly I was so much better than he was that day I would have dropped him so easily on up to us I said that I wish you I said that to my mind dur the interview you of a why didn’t you see that the bottom of the up was but the crazy thing what made that even even I mean an next teammate of his Bernard valet um I found out that uh he was would be willing to take me down crash me out of the race and then in the time TR the the time tril a guy that I knew he know knew who’s a bike importer distributor and he uh asked the co-director Mario to take you know mechanically caus me to fail in the time trial and when I crashed my wife assumed that assume that’s what happened and Maurice Lio he was so disgusted with this person and the behavior if he know he never he know it was he knows right-hand man he didn’t talk to for like 20 years um it was a very stressful tour if you enjoyed this little clip from the podcast you can check out full 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