Athers and Nasser REACT to India’s incredible T20 World Cup win! 🏆 | Sky Sports Cricket Vodcast

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On the latest Sky Sports Cricket podcast, Michael Atherton and Nasser Hussain react to an incredible T20 World Cup final, as India beat South Africa to go the entire tournament unbeaten.
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okay it’s the morning after the night before uh and Saturday’s final which of course confirmed India uh as the T20 world champions having gone through the tournament unbeaten uh and beating a very good South Africa team in what was an excellent final it feels very much like the C before the storm I’m afraid here in Barbados with hurricane Barrel barreling its way towards the island so our fingers very much crossed for the people here can I pick you up on something you said to me over dinner last night by the way over Pizza you turned to me and said what are we going to talk about in the podcast tomorrow I mean we’ve literally had a World Cup a World Cup final we’ve got two of the alltime greats retiring from the game we’ve got a test match in England to look forward to it’s Jimmy Anderson’s last test and there’s a hurricane on its way do we think we’ve got enough news to cover plenty to talk about uh and for you it’s not a case of women and children first because you’ve changed your flight haven’t you you’re out of here I’m I’m going via St kits in about an hour St Antiga Antiga Gatwick Gatwick chamford okay good luck with that um okay well it was a it was a terrific final first of all wasn’t it it was uh there have not been I don’t think that many memorable games in this tournament um but that was certainly one and it was a A fitting way to finish yeah I was thinking that yesterday actually sometimes with T20 criet they’re great while you’re having them and then a year or two down the line you sort of what happened in that semifinal what happened in that group game or even what happened in that final I think everyone will remember this final um especially some of those South African players they’ll remember it for the rest of their lives it was a great final great pitch I think the pitch had a lot to do with it if you have a good surface 170 180 190 that sort of surface it generally produces um good Cricket to top sides unbeaten before the end great crowding not a sellout but a really good crowd and South Africa will look back at 30 off 30 with class and Miller going well and ask themselves for years to come how did we not win that game and it speaks volumes for the toughness actually in Indian cricket we talk a lot about their resources and their players and their fan base and the IPL but what I think they showed in those last 30 deliveries was a Steely toughness to get over the line well they were unquestionably the the best team in the tournament I think they won in a a variety of conditions you know we talked about the conditions in Guyana which were low and slow and skiddy but they won on up and down pitches in New York they won on a good surface against Australia in St Lucia and as you say a very good pitch at Kensington so what this tournament has done because it’s been played over what six or seven islands here in the Caribbean and two or three venues in America it’s thrown up all manner of challenges and all manner of conditions for teams to cope with and in order to win and come out on top you had to kind of be adaptable in all those conditions so I don’t think there’s any way that you can’t say India work prove themselves to be the best team because every hurdle that they come up against or every every conditions that they played in um they came out on top yeah best team best Captain for me as well roit Sharma I think he showed that yesterday and he shown it throughout the tournament best bowler in Jasper Boomer I know his named player of the tournament just throughout the tournament his economy was just above or around four and a half in in a whole tournament in a t i mean that’d be pretty go good in 50 overs some would take it in test match but he’s done it in a T20 World Cup um so they’ve they’ve done it they’ve gone unbeaten um and emotional scenes at the end you know I was down there doing some flash interviews and people were in tears you know Steely sort of tough cricketers Indian cricketers have to carry that sort of weight of expectancy and weight of the crowd and what you know imagine if they lost that game what would the narrative have been today um we could see hardic in tears you know saying that what what the last six months has taken out of him on and off the cricket field roit Sharma on the ground beating the ground in tears um some really emotional scenes R dravid going around in his last game as coach hugging everyone so I think that’s important actually dravid and roit I think a team often um becomes you know extension of their captain and Coach um and I think that’s what they showed at the end roit Shaman R draid we know R very well he was a tough crigger roit shammer a calm but tough cricketer and captain and I think that’s what they showed at the end yeah yeah I thought the roit is an interesting story because 17 years ago he was a 20-year-old in that 2007 um it wasn’t called the World Cup then it was called the world T20 I’d actually forgotten that he played in that game some up on yeah so long ago and I’d said you know verat was the sole survivor from the 2011 World Cup win which he was but Rohit had played in that 2007 game um in Johannesburg and I I think sometimes when things come to you early and easily in life you don’t always appreciate them appreciate um I look back and that was I think his fourth T20 International for Indies so he hadn’t played test criek he was still six years away from playing test Cricket so he’s right at the start of his career and and then when you win something like that as a 20-year-old in just your fourth or fifth game you must think well it’s easy you know these ICC events Global trophies just come come around every two minutes and of course he’s had to wait 17 years for another T20 and more than a decade um after that Champions Trophy win against England in 2013 so I think that was partly the all that emotion that came out at the end the long long wait the the near misses that they’ had five finals I think they they’d been beaten in and of course whether if India had lost whether he’ announced his retirement who knows but he he must have felt that this was probably his last opportunity to win a uh a T20 World Cup so I think that the longevity of the weight made it all the more special for him and of course the fact that he was Captain yeah and the captaincy bit he instigated the change in mentality from slightly fearful Cricket to Fearless Cricket I think Adelaide holds a place for England and India actually and that what happened at Adelaide for O Morgan when they lost to Bangladesh he decided then that they’re going to have to change and play Fearless cricket and what happened in Adelaide in the 20 over World Cup for India against England that there was that moment when roit sha decided we cannot keep playing this fearful Cricket We can’t plot along the resources and the players and the skills that we have why are we playing like this in particular with the bat why don’t we go out and express ourselves easy to say but hard to do as an Indian cricketer because you’re always worried about the reaction if you play like that and lose so he instigated the change in mentality of fearless Cricket we saw that against Australia the way he batted we saw it against India against England on that pitch in Guyana that was tough for batting and even though he missed out yesterday you could see it throughout that and and I think that’s also why he was quite emotional that going back to Adelaide the way he would have felt walking off that field and the way he felt walking off the field yesterday completely chalk and cheese um Barack Coy another one who’s announced his T20 International retirement and and you made the point that he he he was either going to be the hero or the villain after that Innings and it it reminded me actually that pundry or what we do is often often Works backwards you start from the the end result and then you you you you make judgment on that so India won Ergo very good Innings had India lost that a lot of people saying not such a good Innings but actually at the time I I I felt also that three wickets down he’s he’s got to get India to a a a kind of total to give their Bowlers something to have a cracker and I think that’s the key with this India side that their bowling attack is so good they’ve got Bomer the bowler the tournament they’ve got those excellent Spinners so if you get a score of around about 170 you’re always in the game and I think that was probably at the back of his mind as well absolutely going back to your first point you know teams and Leadership think you know don’t worry about the result just stick to the process we often hear that do the process when actually punditry it’s the result and then you then you react to it but you know Coy I thought we said before we did a interview just before a sort of build up to the final and I said just B like ver Co like you’ve done in the last decade you’ve got a strike rate of 138 you’ve got players around you you’re a touch player you’ll get a couple of boundaries away and then you’ll be back in Rhythm and and he was he got a couple of boundaries first few deliveries and you could see he was back to batting like the COI we’ve known for a number of years and your point is spot on they’re three down what does he do you know does he go hard and suddenly they’re five down and then you’re under pressure you’re virtually on the verge of losing yet another final so I thought he played it just about right there were 37 deliveries in the middle of that Innings where he didn’t go where he didn’t get a boundary and it left hardic pandia with just two balls to face at the end so like going back to the process and you were Captain you’d have retired him would you no I would not you know so I think he absolutely got it right because of the bowling attack we get a score in a final and the opposition we know what South Africa are like in knockout games towards the end can they get over the line so what he did was very smart get a score over to you South Africa and it was one of those in between scores it was still a very good pitch um what did you make of South Africa and in particular the end of that inning and how roow handled it because bura still had two left and when he bowled buom it was a fascinating period towards the end you’re very lucky cuz had my tip come in I would have been sat here making you say on repeat a knows more about Cricket you were in that you were in that spare room where we all sat as commentator you might as well have been wearing a South African shirt you were up and down oh go for four go for six you know like you were you were half South African well they were my tip and of course both of us have to sit here in humility now and say that Owen Morgan knows more than either of us because we had the video ready to go where Mor said they haven’t got a chance South Africa I have to say I was worried from the outset because Marco Jansen bow a very poor first over didn’t he you said it got Coy away with two two Drive balls to knock it to the cover fence which but the one ball he hit a length was a DOT ball and went through nicely but then he just seemed to float it up on a driving l so I was a bit concerned from the outset but but then when Classen and Miller were going I thought South Africa should have got home um first of all class is a remarkable player I mean some of those shots of axar Patel that that’s when every tournament you kind of think where is the game changing and that ability now of batters to hit just slightly short balls from Spinners back over there heads is a it’s a remarkable shot and again result and how you go about it he bowled his Spinners quite long at Classen we all know that Classen is one of the great players of spin in World Creek if not the best at the moment for the shots that you talk about because you bowl length and he pulls you so you have to go Fuller and he whacks you back overhead but roit bowled a bit of spin at him and I know there were a few captains and commentators in that room going why hasn’t he bought bura back yet bura had a couple left why hasn’t he bought bura back he should be bowling now and he sort of delayed and delayed and then he did bring bumra back and bumra just absolutely nailed that over and Ash deep at the other end and India’s Fielding something that’s not always been there should talk about that catch of of skies at at long on I had a brilliant view of it actually because I’d come down to our position I wasn’t working on the commentary as you know but our position for sky was just by the the main Pavilion there and and so we had a brilliant view of the catch he came came around and the athleticism and aware Ness and composure uh behind that catch was was fantastic it was a great moment um brilliantly called by our friend Ian Smith who the night before we invited him din I mean one thing you know you guaranteed if you invite Ian Smith out for dinner he’s going to be there but he didn’t he didn’t Rock up so he’s completely dissed you from your Channel 4 days or whatever well he called it memorably and it it was a great catch wasn’t it it it was under pressure you know I mean we see those catches every game we see a catch on the every other game we see those catches on the B so it wasn’t specifically the catch the context it was the context and the moment I read a tweet last night if if Sky’s boot size was one size bigger from 9 to 10 South Africa win the World Cup you know he hits the cushion goes for six and David Miller gets you over the line he’s in he’s on strike he’s hitting with the wind leg side hardic pandia may not get it right so it is those fine margins so catching it under pressure people have been comparing Capal dev’s C in 1983 World Cup Viv running back over his shoulder those sort of two iconic moments um you know magnificent scenes at the end um so that’s the tournament done really we should reflect on it a little bit the good and the bad and and the indifferent um you started off in Dallas you’ve ended in Barbados you pretty much well you not been to all the islands because I don’t think you went to some Vincent but you’ve been well traveled um thumbs up thumbs down what do you think uh there’s always things you can do better there’s things that they’d wish they’ done better maybe the IC that pitch in New York although it produced really good Cricket you know very different style everybody expected a run Fest after the IPL and in fact Rob key had almost flagged it up as it’s going to be a slugfest I think was the term but it was a long way from that yeah absolutely which I think made for better Cricket actually but that one at times was so uneven and dangerous at times there were a couple of games where batters were getting wrapped I don’t mind slightly topace I don’t mind lower score I do mind dangerous so you know I didn’t think they got that quite right um but obviously you know you’re having to bring in pitches and you know groundsman from Adelaide and stuff like that coming it’s not an easy gig doing pitches but I think 10:30 starts you know imagine that final imagine that game under lights last night and the atmosphere it was pretty good atmosphere anyway but uh but in general I’ve really enjoyed it I think it’s captured the most important thing the World Cup out here 50 over World Cup um what year was that that it didn’t it didn’t capture the imagination of the Caribbean it didn’t get the feel of the Caribbean across at all I think traveling around the Caribbean in particular I think judging and talking to people wherever we go That Pizza Place uh we go to every night here that that lady that’s there working every night she’s talking to us about her favorite cricketers and who’s going to win and who’s not every cab you jump into their talking cricket so I think that’s the key capturing because we know you know how much this place means to you it means a lot to me I played my first test match here and in Jamaica so I think I think it has worked I think the cricket has been excellent I think the best team won the standard of play has been magnificent and I have liked the fact that scores have been lower as opposed to just sixes and fours have to be an event and in recent franchise tournaments they’ve not been an event here it has been event watching Classen and Miller at the end there was like wow this is this is really good now um as opposed to oh there’s another six um so I I’ve enjoyed it what about you um yeah I the one of the things that I would flag is the 10:30 starts and this we’ve talked about it before but whether the game is a spectator first game or a television first game this felt like a a television first event and I think you have to be careful with that um because T20 is best under lights that’s when you get the kind of atmosphere and the vibrancy so I would have prefer to see more day night games uh than Day games um and with the end of a tournament like this it’s often the end of a cycle for teams it’s often the end of careers for some players in terms of their T20 International career so we mentioned roit and verat yesterday who said they were retiring from the format but also others like David Warner and Trent bolt uh we won’t see them again in a in a T20 World Cup and both have been exceptional players for their countries yeah they have um there’s some big names there that are retiring I think the one disappointing side maybe like and probably the one with issues going for maybe side like New Zealand for so long New Zealand feels like a little bit of an end of a ER fores it does very much I think Australia will sort of subtly get players in um you know same with India India have so many resources you know ja swall and shman Gill and and Sanju Samson whatever they’ll just it will be a pretty easy turn around although KY and Ro are not easy acts to follow um but New Zealand have been together for so long and so it does feel like the end of an era and it’d be interesting to know and see obviously they got raten rindra who looks a star player and will be for a long time in my opinion but what have they got coming through to take over from C Williamson eventually or Bol or Saudi or players that have been around for such a long time and England what do you think about England well I made the point yesterday that I think in India and Australia have kind of opened up a little bit of a gap from the others and that includes England so we’ll get on to England but I think when you look at where England are they’re looking upwards at the moment to India and Australia India have just contested the three finals of the ICC format so the world test Championship the 50 over World Cup and the T20 which they’ve just won obviously and Australia came here looking for a three- Tim so you’d have to say at the moment that those two teams stand out uh and that there’s a gap then between them and the rest and that’s that’s England’s challenge isn’t it to to close that Gap narrow that Gap um and get back to challenging the the elite in these in these Global tournaments can I just ask you about England though and you’re right a gap is slightly emerging there but when I we do the toss quite often you get the team sheet and you look at the team sheet and when I look at that England team Sheet it’s still a wow factor in it and not just like I’m saying New Zealand just names that have been around for a long time and wow even the young players coming through like Jack started the tournament we know what Jacks can do salt coming in whatever so when I look and I see Butler England’s greatest ever white ball player I see Jack wow emerging Talent U salt Jack beo Brook Karan every franchise in the world seems to want Sam Karan Joff Archer every franchise when fit it’s one of the great multiphase Bowlers in the game but they sort of 50 overcut World Cup and this one they you know out of the major Nations they only beat the West Indies um they seem to be sort of bumbling along for one of a better phrase they good days win win loss ratio against the full uh test playing Nations is L 913 over the two World Cups so that I think backs up your so what’s happening well good question um I’m not sure we got the answers you know at our fingertips but I think there in lies the challenge that it’s not it’s not um it’s not a lost cause for England because as you say all those players are very good players there will be some regeneration I think by the time we next see England’s white ball team I think I think they will move on from one or two of those players who are in their mid to late 30s now I think Mo Ali’s 37 Johnny besto 34 Chris Jordan 35 so I think there will be a regeneration but I think there is an abundance of talent in in in England in in England’s domestic white ball game and I suppose it’s just a matter of harnessing that talent and and trying to create a a new era if you like of sustained success um but before that we’ve got test matches against West Indies and Sri Lanka in England uh on Sunday announced their test match team it was a test match Squad well it was very interesting because you think some test match squads when they’re announced you think well that’s obvious or not really much to talk about this one felt quite a significant Squad to me for a couple of reasons one they plumped for Jamie Smith as Wicket keeper batter a 23y old incredibly promising young batsman but not the first choice pick as keeper for surri In First Class Cricket um and of course they’ve left out Johnny Barto Harry Brooke returning who missed the Test match Series in India but besto is not in that Squad at all the reever Reserve batter is Dan Lawrence so it feels like Johnny BTO has been moved aside they’ve plumped for Jamie Smith they’ve also gone for shy bashier who is not again the first choice pick for his County side when Somerset play one spinner and Jack leech is fit leech plays and bashier had to go out on loan to Worcester so it was a an interesting selection for all kinds of reasons um you do feel like this selection panel have an interesting relationship with county cricket they don’t always they you know Rob key I think said earlier on in the in the year that when he was talking he was asked about England’s Wicket keeping position he said well whoever we pick it won’t it won’t necessarily be on County Championship form well they’ve been as good as they were they they’re not afraid of taking risks I mean I’ve seen I haven’t seen much of J Smith keep Wicket because he hasn’t done it that much In First Class Cricket he’s a he is a very very promising batter Talent attacking fit into them fit in perfectly for the basball mold which of course folks doesn’t um Pennington you you were waxing lyrical about Pennington at the beginning of the Season funnily enough yeah it’s bizarre because my mate Steve James who who you know well um had a a young lad that he coaches who was playing in a University game right at the start of the season I can’t remember which for which university side and they were playing a friendly against knots and J said to me oh have a look at the lad I coach and tell me what you think so I was watching the stream a bit and actually then Pennington took my took my eye it was it was March March April so way back at the start of the season I thought oh blim me he he’s looking good because if you remember he kind of took people’s eye about five or six years ago when he was an England under 19 player at won and he had a good season and people were saying this looks a highly promising young fast bowler and then he kind of as young players do stagnated a bit he’s moved to knots with for a chance to work with Peter Moos and Kevin shine and a bigger club and all that and I think from what I’ve seen this year he’s you know back on the on the upgrade if you like the the graph is going upwards again so that’s an interesting selection and he’s a beneficiary of Josh Tong who’s injured and olle Robinson who had a poor winter really play that one test match in Ranchi but it was a poor performance and so he’s been nudged aside as well yeah uh it’s very key mcallum Stokes you know they they don’t worry about the sort of criticism they may get if Jamie Smith hasn’t kept if bashier hasn’t played he’s gone off on loan and he got smashed for 38 the other day didn’t he’s not they’re not worry if they’ve made their mind up about something and I quite like that often sometime in selection you sort of do and captaincy you sort of do the thing that if it goes wrong will give get the least amount of abuse or stick media will give you you know that was a decent decision be brave if you really believe in something and obviously Rob key we know he’s very much interested in speed what speed what speed would you think Pennington would be well I’d say I mean he’s not he’s not Gus Atkinson right or probably Josh Tong Gus Atkinson’s in the squad as well he’s certainly not Mark Wood or joffer Archer Qui but he’s quick enough I think which is the key yeah and obviously the reason for that is they want to move on and it’s Jimmy’s playing at Southport today it sold out first day of Lan’s championship game at Southport place where I made my first class debut it’s a lovely little ground on my wife born just up the road from there absolutely you know Southport well um so Jimmy’s there soldout game at at uh at Southport and he’s getting a few overs into his legs before what will be a a very emotional test match at Lords next week just on bashier I think they see that he you know thinking about the ashes which is a long way ahead but England are basically going to be playing one spinner aren’t they unless they go to the subcontinent where they might play two or three but in England they’ll play one in Australia they’re likely to play one and I think they see in bashier with his accuracy height bounce drop whatever that he can do a job as that one spinner both holding and attacking in the same way that Nathan lion does it for Australia yeah and the same way that Graham Swan did it for England for a number of years he’s no Graham Swan yet but they see that drop and that bounce and what an English spinner has to do in England like you touched on there it’s two different phases in that first innings in England how many pitches really turn how much bowling do you get your four seamers are rotated and when you do come on the opposition may be lining you up a little bit especially in modern Cricket so you’ve got to do a holding rle and then second time around he may you may have to you may do nothing in the game you may come down at number nine or 10 or wherever he bats you got to work on your batting as well uh which he has done and then second time round suddenly a skipper goes it’s just starting to turn won’t be big turn like in India and now you got to bowl him out so it’s also a mental thing for someone like him um but I like they they fancied him before India that was a real out of the blue we were literally driving to isor Sky and the side was announced for India and I was going to Google to see footage of him bowling because I’d never seen him Bowl so that was a left field then they backed him and one thing with this selection panel if they believe in you and they back you they will give you a long time and I quite admire that and now he’s just got to go and go and do it um against the West Indies so all that’s ahead um that test match is a week Wednesday so we’ll we’ll do a podcast if we get there if we get there we’ll do a podcast ahead of that test match you’ve got to get yourself to the airport I have later um that’s it from us here after a monthl long World T20 our fingers very much crossed for Barbados uh later today and tomorrow as this storm arrives