A multilevel roundabout in Houten, Netherlands. Motorized traffic is completely separated from cyclists. Two roundabouts over each other. There is no safer solution than this.
@markenlei
well I guess you are lucky it is so rainy, there are not as many mopeds as in Italy or Spain…then I think you would not want them to ride with bikes.
Is it legal anywhere in the bike path system or only at leveled-roundabouts?
@svencobaya82 it is legal when the cycle path sign also shows a moped. But there is a lot of debate going on about this in the Netherlands because they ARE more than annoying…
How does this roundabout work then because I've noticed some cyclists going anticlockwise round it. Is it an inner and outer lane with 4 x 2 separated one way paths coming down from either side of the main road.
Or a two way ring road with 8 two way paths?
@TimpBizkit It is a circular two way cycle path so you can go clockwise or anticlockwise and all the connecting cycle paths are two way indeed (all 8 of them).
Cyclists do not 'plunge' the full way. The road for cars is elevated a lot more than the cyclists go down. The ground level is about in the middle of those two levels. So it looks worse than it really is.
But those lanes are still too narrow in my opinion, a good bike lane should be wide enough to comfortably support two cyclists alongside going in the same direction, otherwise I'd rather take the car road. And at least in Stockholm, the bike lanes are where you go to get flat tires, since people love breaking glass bottles there, and no one cleans it up.
Just noticed this. There's one similar that I use in the UK. There's a tunnel level lower than the cycle path for cars as well so you're riding in the middle level with cars above and below.
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Excellent panning, Mark!
…and a lovely roundabout. Ah… fond memories 🙂
wait! is that a motorbike on the bike lane at 2:42 ???????
is that legal? wtf!
@svencobaya82 no that is only a moped (less than 50cc and slow) and yes that is -in this case- legal.
@markenlei
well I guess you are lucky it is so rainy, there are not as many mopeds as in Italy or Spain…then I think you would not want them to ride with bikes.
Is it legal anywhere in the bike path system or only at leveled-roundabouts?
Thanks!
@svencobaya82 it is legal when the cycle path sign also shows a moped. But there is a lot of debate going on about this in the Netherlands because they ARE more than annoying…
How does this roundabout work then because I've noticed some cyclists going anticlockwise round it. Is it an inner and outer lane with 4 x 2 separated one way paths coming down from either side of the main road.
Or a two way ring road with 8 two way paths?
Actually it looks like a combination of the two
@TimpBizkit It is a circular two way cycle path so you can go clockwise or anticlockwise and all the connecting cycle paths are two way indeed (all 8 of them).
Why is the cycle path plunged below grade instead of the motor traffic? Is it not easier for cars to negotiate the grade compared to cyclists?
Cyclists do not 'plunge' the full way. The road for cars is elevated a lot more than the cyclists go down. The ground level is about in the middle of those two levels. So it looks worse than it really is.
esse boa!
But those lanes are still too narrow in my opinion, a good bike lane should be wide enough to comfortably support two cyclists alongside going in the same direction, otherwise I'd rather take the car road. And at least in Stockholm, the bike lanes are where you go to get flat tires, since people love breaking glass bottles there, and no one cleans it up.
Am I the only one watching people struggle up the hill, screaming at the screen "Use your gears!"
and "Stay to the right of the center line!"
Just noticed this. There's one similar that I use in the UK. There's a tunnel level lower than the cycle path for cars as well so you're riding in the middle level with cars above and below.