“Harrowing Story” | Two 12-Year-Old Boys Convicted Of Killing Shawn Seesahai

Two 12-year-old boys are thought to have become the youngest knife murderers in the UK after being found guilty of a brutal machete attack on a “loving and protective” teenager who was stabbed through the heart in a Wolverhampton park.

Chair of Community Against Violence Ken Hinds joins Talk’s Mike Graham to discuss this further.

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particularly harrowing story this particularly awful story um very right though from what Christine said there’s no situ I don’t see any um uh recognition of whether there were parents or whether these two had parents because they were in court I think supported by relatives I didn’t I don’t know whether the parents are involved here yes well look Mike I it’s a horrendous s um event that took place and by two youngsters but I say this much to you one as ECT is looking at the family but my aspect is because I work with a lot of these trouble youngsters and the family and often we find many cases single parents many cases they have reached out to all different aspects for some some sort of support and help so my thing is first of all I’d be looking into the background of the of the parents and see what kind of parenting there was because what is very frightening is for that young person to have a machete under his mattress you know um without because this is why I said to the parents you have to go into your children’s bedroom and look around for yourself because it’s not their home face that will get you into problem is the street face and my thing is simply this I also have to look and see what happened with the um the statutary agency people like Social Services the schools the GPS were they aware of any problems with these two youngsters because they wouldn’t arrive to where they are overnight that would be done over time yeah I would also be mindful of the influence of social social media because it’s quite clear they were posting things beforehand with with them showing them that one youngsters has walking with a a machete showing that that’s what he does so I would also look into that personally I would also have a zero tolerance um with youngsters carrying any sort of weapon yeah I will put them into a boot camp style um lockup for a short sharp period that deals with actually um getting them trained focused and also strengthening their emotional um intelligence and one other things there no point having pupil referral unit because these young people seem to run those units yeah my thing is simply this when as a society we give young people so much rights but they’ve got no they talk about the responsibility and accountability that goes with that we’ve got to such an exent exent now that if the youngster said that they don’t want to go to school they don’t have to go to school well we’ve got hundred we’ve got hundreds of thousands of kids who don’t go to school uh who’ve just of Gone Missing nobody knows where they’re going during the course of any day and I mean this is the other thing I mean we we’re in the midst of an election I keep seeing politicians coming out like today the labor party is talking about you know Banning children from buying energy drinks under the age of 16 well how about you stop them buying machetes absolutely and I’m not on it that what what kind of support are we giving these young people to try to change their mindset because we all have trauma but many of us have found tools to deal with it more effectively but there are others out there that can’t or haven’t been able to deal with their own trauma and what they do they project that anger and that rage onto others I would like to see more time spent instead of physical doing something physical PE and things of that nature but doing more emotional well-being for for the youngsters to get them to tap in to where they are in their heads and I wonder sometimes if boxing or some form of self-defense is not a bad thing either because I’m told by people who do teach kids that it gives them a lot more discipline you know yes you might be frightened that they would be more able to hurt people actually but no because tend it tends to have the opposite effect they tend to be able to control their aggression and they tend to be able to you know to live a much cleaner and and less unlawful life to go along with that I’ve also because we we run a program called aunties and uncles and that’s where we get into the mindset not only of the child but the extended families surroundings um their friends and family because what happens is if you just deal with a child on their own when they get back to home or in their environment they get other influences we have to be able to work with the other influences that will get that put these children down this dark path I’m dealing with one youngster who’s just serving four years for County Line and that’s you’re not going to win all the battles there’s another youngster that I’m engaging with he’s now doing life at the age of 18 for for murder doing 14 years minimum so I’m saying these are things that we have to step up and try to avoid continuing to happen we’ve got to break the cycle and that could only done by a mixture of tough love and also um other kind of support that will come in yeah and and we got to run because we’re running out of time Ken are you wearing a stab vest yes this this is the group I’m a foot soldier for for a volun organization called Street fathers what we do we just go into the hotspot areas and we any sort of bullying antisocial Behavior we step in and stop if for