Luke Wallace is a former professional rugby player for the Harlequins.
Olly and Davi sit down with Luke to accidentally announce his retirement from professional rugby. During the episode Luke delves into his journey turning professional, public school scholarships, winning the premiere league and playing in front of 80,000 fans, the unwritten rules of rugby, and overcoming injuries with rigorous recovery and concussion protocols.
Luke also talks about his new favourite hobbies which include Jiu-Jitsu and track cycling (Luke’s watt bike numbers are UNREAL) along with opening up about what the Harlequins club means to him and offers valuable advice for young athletes and much more…
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00:00:00 Crankworx Innsbruck
00:01:34 Luke Wallace is on the pod!
00:02:50 Retirement and flanker life
00:13:00 Turning professional
00:19:44 Playing in front of 80,000 people
00:24:29 The unwritten rules of professional rugby
00:31:40 AG1
00:33:54 Recovery & injury
00:39:00 Concussions
00:47:00 How a professional rugby player trains and recovers
00:56:00 Leaving the Harlequins
01:04:00 Rugby players that have transitioned to NFL
01:07:40 Watt bike numbers!
01:12:47 PEAK SUPPS
01:16:42 Davi’s DEEP knowledge questions
01:27:20 Advice for young players and athletes
01:29:40 Pro earnings
01:41:35 LIKE & SUBSCRIBE
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if people knew how much it hurt at 30 you’d never start playing when you were [Laughter] [Music] 12 get ready crank works inbrook is back for its eth Edition on June the 12th to 16th and heats up the Austrian bike summer once again in mutters at Bike Park inbrook the only year European stop on the crank Works World Tour crank Works inbrook brings the best of the best to the foot of the tyan Alps to kick off The Season’s battles including the king and queen of crank works and the crankworks fnba slopestar world championship inbrook mixes urban city Vibes with Big Mountain Adventure making a unique and exciting place to bring together the top names in MTB with the local community for crankworks good times that’s right there’s no downhill in inbrook but the slopes season is firing on all cylinders with David Godlike skills godzik taking the W in K ahead of Emil Johanson and Tim bringer and we have crankworks slope style up and running at theace companion.com you can also follow at crank works inbrook on Instagram and stay on top of all the news schedule and event updates and of course tickets are still available at crankworks decom to is that crankworks dcom crankworks do.com brilliant we’ll see you there see you there here we are episode number 152 is it yeah nice we’ve been doing a while huh and uh it’s taking 152 episodes to have a rugby player this is rad so welcome to the show Luke Wallace thank you pleasure to be here hyped to have you here thanks for coming along no worries mate yeah good to see you likewise likewise right um so I guess uh we should start with some context so you do ride bicycles as well I do indeed yeah you do indeed yeah so that’s how I’ve come to know you over the years yeah yeah so I’ve yeah ridden bikes yeah as long as I can remember yeah started like B like any man buer does just digging walking around around in the woods yeah do you know Sam shmith so me and Sam went to school together no way so um yeah so it was me and him riding building around rate and Crawley right getting across to Pork whenever we could on the train um and yeah kind of went from there and now it’s not so much mountain biking but other other kinds of cycling as well other riding other riding yeah I was scrolling through your Instagram actually like trying to find some mountain bike oh it goes yeah we have to go quite a long way far back yeah yeah yeah so more roading yeah Road cycling and on the track as well now okay all right you’re on the track for a reason aren’t you you’ve you’ve you’ve just finished a career can we say are you retired uh yeah yeah you retire it’s not it’s not quite official breaking official oh no have I done have I done it it’s a bit award now M if I’m honest so so I left harlequins in January yeah and the plan was to go play an America for just one season oh is that so yeah um and it kind of all fell through like last it and by that time I’d been doing nothing I’ve been doing nothing for two three weeks i’ loved it like really loved it so at that point I was like yeah I’m probably done but now I’m like do I announce that I’m actually retired or just crack on and when I get a new job people just get the message I think I think that’s how I’m going to roll roll sorry to do it on the podcast all we spread the message slowly it’s fine yeah yeah there you go yeah we’ll drip it out drip it out God yeah yeah I can imagine like actual rugby fans going like as if they got a scoop like these two guys podcast absolute idiots I sort of thought um you should be congratulated on like a career doing something as wild as rugby like to me it’s it’s a weird one cuz um soah Haro quins bring a lot of people through their Academy so they all start young just stay at the club the whole time yeah so I think I’ve got well yeah I do have 19 seven har Quin appearances which is loads but just so happens The Last 5 Years there’s been like another three BLS you’ve got even more so it’s bit annoying in that way you would be like one the highest one of the highest but actually there’s some guy on 350 so long no way no one cares no they do care they do care they do care so did you come through that Academy then yeah yeah I was quite I was quite late to be honest uh I joined at like 16 okay um and then turned Pro whereas especially now boys are starting at like 123 are they really yeah yeah yeah and what I know we’re going to go all over the place a little bit but like what got you interested in rugby and when did you first show like signs of becoming a professional rugby player so like when I was well when I was young just did everything um as a lot of people do and then actually so I got at 13 I got a scholarship to go to a good school where rugby was like everything so that’s kind of where it kind of took over more and that’s actually where mountain biking stopped a bit cuz a week before I went went over the bars prob my collarbone couldn’t play rugby and I was like [ __ ] uh yeah yeah so that’s kind of where that took a backseat a bit and then carried playing all the kind of mainstream Sports and then at 16 I was like nah I’m good at rugby if I want to get paid to play sport then it’ll have to be rugby so it kind of yeah took over nice so what position do you play talk me through how how you sort of work worked your way into professional rugby in terms of like how did you know you were how do you fit into a rugby team so I play flaner which is a guy that just runs around and tackles pretty much okay um and it’s probably where it’s a position where just like working hard can get you a long way as well right um so yeah I was just always the fittest guy well one of the fittest guys just work worked hard on the pitch um put myself in stupid situations that happened from a young age 16 you’re like no yeah just stick my head over the ball like anywhere get hit hard wow um is the Slanker the person that often sorry I don’t know anything about rugby I’m sorry but like is that the person that sometimes scores when I was younger I scored a lot okay but not not so much I got older no so you know in rugby so someone gets tackled and then there’s a kind of little battle for the ball on the floor so that was kind of my job to try and get that ball and then everyone else would just come and hit me as hell as they could okay yeah okay so you get the ball and then the rest of the team obviously falls back behind you then you hand it off and then off you go again on drive that’s the that’s the idea so like they’ve got the ball you try and grab it back and then okay attacking of turnover is a good thing yeah cuz the defense isn’t ready so yeah and have you did did you do other positions before landing on being a flanker no no no I literally was so as soon as there were flankers I think that’s probably 12 I was a flanker stayed there forever what do you mean as soon as the were flankers is it like position yeah yeah so under NES you play like nine aside under 11s it’s like 12 aside and then under 13s you suddenly get all 15 positions to choose from okay interesting but no yeah it’s quite rare that just sick in one position but is it they kind of fit so yeah yeah they stayed and it just came naturally that position yeah I think so I appreciate you like sort of dulling it down for us yeah yeah you can you can talk in more uh you can make it like I’m interested to hear more about it because I I know I’m like not educated but I’m willing I want to learn any like professional sport is fascinating especially how you get there and yeah all that sort of stuff I just it just yeah fited quite well in terms of body shape okay kind of being bigger than the back but not quite so big as the big mutant forwards um kind of fit in the in the middle um like a really varied skill set okay um do a bit of everything you’ve got to be but not master anything super tough allrounder yeah I think all around is probably the best best version to say um and then yeah it’s actually as Rugby’s a weird sport as well where the the rules change like every year really yeah uh so the governing body it’s bit like the ECI a bit weird governing body of rubby is also a bit weird um they just they want more viewers the whole time and every year they go I reckon if we adjusted this then maybe some more people would’ watch yeah so like as the rules around the breakdown have changed then the sizes of flankers have changed as well cuz some so like when I joined a smaller guy was good and then for a bit in the middle of my career everyone just wanted mut like massive guys and I kind of didn’t play as much and then towards the end I kind of come back came back into fashion again which is a bit weird I remember seeing a photo this is a while ago where they compare compared like a 1980s rugby team to a 2000 and so different it’s like astronomically different the dudes are huge before they weren’t like they were probably big for back then I don’t know but they didn’t look like like they do now I think when professional press yeah went to turn pro and I don’t even know when to turn pro mid 1990s maybe yeah now I’m going to like an yeah I think does everything change then you know yeah yeah no doubt it’s pretty shocking going around um where you train s Sports Park is that how you guys so how do you guys meet um I think it was in s Sports Park yeah okay which is what uh it’s like just down the road in Guilford where we watched my brother play okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah all right so but if you just hang out there in the day and you just go to the cafe and these boys turn up it’s pretty like I’m I mean you don’t see many humans that size let alone like humans in like good shape yeah I think there’s a lot of us as well like when the whole team’s together there’s like 55 60 BLS yeah and so we yeah like that that coffee shop gets taken over it’s bad like I feel bad for some of the like just normal punters having a coffee in there we just come in loud and yeah take yeah I mean I mean anyway I find it fascinating like all of the training and stuff okay so I watched that that drive to survive thing on the the rug rug vers drive to survive yeah I can’t remember is it boom boox media something I think it could be yeah something like that but so I watched that and the bits that got me the most were the weights that some of these superhuman uh athletes were lifting and I could not believe it like I I thought I knew what people lifted you know what I mean there are some strong guys for sure but actually like what I’ve discovered in the last three months with being retired like I’m still lifting a lot um is how much playing rugby holds you back like being smashed up every weekend means you’re never building on stuff whereas like I think I put 15 kilograms on my squat in the last three months just from being able to train properly which is mad as well because you can recover yeah just recovering better you’re not always taking a step backwards every weekend um so that’s been quite nice actually being able to like retire but also start getting better at stuff has being quite cool like I say I guess in theory these guys should be like bodybuilders but you but I guess in in a way it does hold you back if you get too big so there’s like a fine balance of like staying strong and flexible and agile like you know what I mean yeah so I remember my snc coach was actually kind of always stronger than us yeah um and he’d say but you’re so much more genetically gifted but I can train M and just the weight side is just such a small part for you yeah like we’d be doing two weight sessions a week um and relying on a big preseason block kind of like to build up for the whole season and then kind of gradually getting worse throughout the whole year right um okay yeah so yeah rug like obviously rugby is the focus like it has to be um huh yeah so what happened when you when you started getting on the path uh at 16 yeah what changed what did what what did it look like then um so up until that point I was just playing at school and as I said like some of the guys had been in the Quinn’s Academy System since 13 14 um so I kind of I took it really really seriously for like a year and a half until until they gave me that Pro contract I like yeah I knew I I knew I had to go to everything I I was a loser at 17 honestly like play every weekend was like playing weekend playing rugby satday Sundays getting out there as much as possible training in the week like in the evenings um yeah never went to parties absolute loser paid off at the end I guess yeah yeah so there were like scrimmages on the weekends were they yeah yeah so yeah School matches on on Saturdays Club matches on the Sundays mate meeting you at scor suck eh fut Harlequin professional rugby player and you’re just like here he is I don’t know there were a lot of us to be fair like dotted around yeah right I yeah was Harin is the local Club not yeah yeah so they kind of cover sorry Sussex right okay yeah yeah so like the the country kind of gets split up and depending where you live you get sent to like the various acmy right so yes everyone knows each other from like kind of the circuit okay all right yeah I wasn’t sure if like you’d you know sign a per contract I guess yeah you could sign a per contract but then go somewhere else yeah eventually like yeah it’s not like um I guess NFL is the obvious one you can go to college anywhere then you just get pulled out drafted and get sent across the country whereas this more like a path through to be on that team yeah kind of the yeah the local Club gets the first first option on you yeah um when you turn 18 or whatever it is and is it like um like football where the club shows an interest and then they begin almost like paying you from quite a young age to keep you on that on those books that’s I think it’s getting more common yeah but no not really okay I think in my year some people starting getting paid at 17 just to like keep them happy um but yeah I don’t know if that’s come down like a a friend of the family I guess almost and his son is really good at football and leads have signed him he’s like 12 or something and already he’s getting like a couple of thousand pound a month and like they pay for Dad to have a new car and like all this sort of stuff just to keep them yeah keep them on the books and keep yeah one of the Quinn’s coaches has son signed I think he like saton or something so not even like a premier team but like he’s only like nine or something so I don’t yeah I’m not sure crazy that isn’t a thing then as much in rugby oh no no no no no no no the the money is not there and that kind of thing I think where where they kind of do help is like pretty much by 16 17 18 every rby player is going to public school Posh like their team will put you in there yeah like they’ll sort out scholarship so wow in some ways it’s nice you get a good education but also it just ruins the state school Robby as well so it’s a bit of a yeah swings and roundabouts what did you do so yeah I got a scholarship and went to yeah went to apos scho yeah yeah um that’s pretty cool though no yeah it’s cool is it yeah yeah love parents St yeah went and they got me out their hair for a bit went to boarding school but yeah but like you say so that that in turn ruins the yeah yeah but it did mean that like yeah the the public school syst like School circuit is really competitive like that’s where the best RB’s played right um which has its positives and negatives like I said okay yeah so what age did you sign a pro contract 18 yeah 18 yeah yeah did it shift was there like a welcome to the league moment did it shift when you sort of started mixing with we used words mutants mutants we used to be so scared so scared of them really yeah yeah yeah like I think I think it’s changed quite a bit over the last I’ve been involved for 15 years and I don’t think with this mean anymore but yeah like you’d be scared to go in the change room like you’d like rush in before anyone else got there and get changed and get out before the first team got there really yeah didn’t look at anyone just like kind of huddled in the corners um it’s interesting from the outside it seems quite a gentlemanly sport like um rugby to me does it’s it’s seems like everyone’s very like um honorable Like You Nail each other in the face with the ball and then the next moment you’re shaking hands and I think even down to how the fans watch it too right it’s mix Stadium yeah mix Stadium everyone gets involved it’s well cool like tend to be pretty respectful towards the referees and stuff which is nice yeah that’s it I know I know what you mean yeah it’s like a violent sport but everyone’s very chilled off it but between the first and second team it’s not the case yeah they make you own your spot I guess really yeah yeah yeah see initiation uh there weren’t really many of them to be fair that was uh just got to sing a song Drink a Beer nothing nothing too nothing too great but there was the moment where you start like them playing against like I guess I guess it’s a big jump isn’t it yeah I had a so my first two years so when I was yeah 1920 um I think I played three games like kind of small games off the bench um and then the start of my third year kind of like four people had and got injured straight like I think first game of the season four people went down suddenly second game of the season I was I was called up didn’t have a clue what I was doing um but then got mad of the match first two games I played um I played well yeah but I think it’s also just yeah that unknown young guy who suddenly is playing well they’re like oh so you kind of get it um and then yeah so that kind of changed everything from there um and then kind of played like 20 games that that year so it was a big change from going nothing to yeah suddenly being in yeah yeah um what is that jump like to go from playing pre8 or prepro pre not pre-pro that’s not even a thing is it like not pro to them playing pray what’s the what’s like the game like it was just quicker right yeah yeah um in a weird way like some some of the lower level games are actually really physical cuz sometimes there’s some really big guys just maybe aren’t skillful or aren’t fit enough to play right first team yeah but they’re still massive logs who can hit really hard yeah um so it’s mainly just the speed of the game the decision making yeah um and yeah but yeah I just kind of took to it pretty well and like when you were coming through the ranks did you play in front of like stadiums of people yeah so holoc have uh they have a big game they call it at Christmas and they have another one in the summer now so like the normal stadiums just under 20,000 and then we play the big big Twickenham twice a year and so that’s suddenly like 880,000 so that’s that’s cool it changes everything like you can’t hear anything so like communication becomes really hard like you can’t hear the calls you’ve got to right kind of uh rely on train like your training yeah um and kind of how well you know know your teammates and kind of React to what they’re doing rather than being able to call everything which is kind of a big difference yeah 80,000 people it’s yeah it’s very different I guess I don’t you see Fort Williams I don’t know how many people come to Fort William at the bottom I don’t know it is it’s a big atmosphere a big atmosphere yeah yeah but that’s like contained yeah the and actually like some of the best stadiums I’ve played with in France cuz they’re slightly smaller than tkam probably like 30 40,000 yeah but everyone is there to go mad yeah like it’s crazy um there’s like brass bands in the stands um and the yeah they’re like they just love rugby down there whereas there’s a bit in England where people could go for like a nice day out like they’re there to watch the rugby it’s a bit more bit more like football fans here probably like they’re more yeah real passionate getting your face um yeah like here like you there’s no need police escorts in London like in to Lou like it’s like people line in the streets police escort through at all like they’re all going crazy wow players going off yeah it’s cool so if you have success I just can’t I can’t imagine what it feels like to have success in front of 880,000 people so if you’re like a win a game and you’re out on the field 80,000 people screaming must be quite a lot no yeah it’s really cool and actually it’s something that so you probably the you probably don’t know so the Harley Quinn stadium is one side of the road and the big national stadiums just like literally you can see it it’s right across the road um so for those times we’re in the Premiership final like we’d meet in our stadium and walk across acoss the bridge across the road and they just be lined the whole way just like f either side like God of Honor like the whole way across and then we won we’ve been there twice we won twice and then it’s the same on the way back just people going mad oh yeah which is which is really yeah really cool that must be a lii like that right oh yeah definitely yeah um so sick yeah yeah so sick the F the first time we won um everyone was like trying to squeeze back into like our smaller Stadium um and it was just going mad in there and we’ve got a a guy called Nick EA who played for England back then um and he was like starting songs in the crowd like and everyone was saying it was really cool really cool W it’s got to be a hard thing to beat like especially your with your team as well my brother talks about it a bit like it’s quite a hard thing like the level of um adrenaline and like camaraderie you don’t you can’t really get it you could win a World Cup but it’s actually not the same like a whole crew of people I yeah I think it’s not the same and also like yeah so you’ve got 50 guys and everyone’s been pulling for the same goal all year yeah um you’ve had like the good times bad times you’ve been out on team socials like really pulls you together um and then yeah like I won finals I’ve lost finals but it’s always it’s always a great feeling to be in that situation yeah the team sport thing is really cool I’ve never really done it that much either like I’ve played ice hockey a little bit and I loved it because just that team atmosphere is so INF it’s so sick being in a changing room like locker room B I can’t even imagine do every week I mean it’s so cool it’s yeah it’s hard to replace for sure yeah um yeah I kind of guess so I’m doing uh Brazilian jiu-jitsu now and it’s it’s kind of similar like it’s individual but the club really like pulls around you so I went to my first competition like a month ago um and yeah just everyone kind of pulled together which is cool I think a lot of R players do struggle when they leave that environment because they suddenly lose all that social aspect so it’s been quite nice to kind of replace it with something yeah I bet and you get to strangle my brother which is something I haven’t been able to do since he surpassed me in height and weight maybe someday someday I might be able to he’s a bit good at the moment unfortunately oh [ __ ] don’t say that sorry mate Wicked so right now you’re you’re playing Pro what is what does it look like like you’re weak you started I can’t imagine being 18 playing professional rugby um so the first thing you go into is preseason which is which is crazy so literally finished my levels on like probably a Thursday had the weekend off to celebrate and then I was in on the Monday at like a full-time professional rugby really cuz their season starts mid June but the preseason start M June kind of when exams finish um and that’s when my contract started they’re like you don’t get a holiday you’re in um so yeah kind of cracked in and that was kind of like five days straight of fitness and weights just hard work which is a big change um boot camp boot basically is what we’re going into yeah yeah okay so that’s only strength and that’s only Fitness that’s only physical conditioning back then it was yeah you did like a month of just physical conditioning yeah and it would be like working hard at the Club getting home falling asleep straight away um waking up having food falling asleep again now it’s a bit more fun they do they do start rugby a bit earlier now um but then yeah in season like it varies a lot depending on what uh day the games is because it can swap between Friday night Saturday Sunday but if you’re working like Saturday to Saturday it’s like Monday you come in for a bit of weights all the meetings get done then um what’s the meeting that ttic tactics watching the video from the last week seeing what wrong kind of problem solving that kind of stuff do you run plays so you have set plays that are individual to each club that each coach each yeah but in a weird way a lot of it stems from what England are doing as well at the time so there’ll be be a whole chunk will be your own team stuff yeah and then you’ll be playing someone else and they’ll be calling the same thing and it’s because it’s an England call that someone’s just put back and just not change anything so that’s kind of weird um how would that happen is it because it’s the same coaches no so like the players will the the players will all go off to England Camp they’ll run something new and then they all come back go that was a good idea okay and then go we should do that but like not change what it’s called so everyone knows okay everyone knows what it is um so that’s there’s actually quite a lot of stuff like that okay and you can see that obviously it’s stupid question but like on the field like your team is like okay we think we can figure out what that is yeah yeah and actually it’s weird cuz obviously there’s there’s a lot of guys changing clubs the whole time as well yeah and there’s kind of like an Unwritten rule that if you change mid-season you kind of don’t yeah don’t spread anything or anything like that but I remember I went to Leicester and then next year qu I was playing against quins and they all had the same calls I was kind of like trying to tell the guys next to me what was going on um and like in in the week before like Steve bwick our coach at Lester was like so is there anything we should practice anything I should know so I was like yeah write all that down to give that to him see what we can see what we can do that’s funny I never played a team sport um to a level where you had set plays um I never did you did you ever do it with a little bit with hockey but it was like you know it’s only wreck hockey you can write whatever you want on the board but no one can do it anyway to be fair in in rugby there’s not loads um nothing compared to like American football anything like that which is cuz that is just set plays where rugby quite often the first phase of each so say there’s a line out of scrum the first phase will be prescribed of the first two phases and after that you kind of just fall back into standard shape and kind of play on the ho a bit yeah I mean I don’t think I even got to the point where you say standard shape you know what I mean yeah I know yeah you wouldn’t know yeah no it’s like but at what point did you like in order to be a professional rugby player what point do you have to like start thinking about the game in a more adult manner like I don’t know it kind of just grows yeah you know um and people are also a lot more professional now now than they were back then I guess technology changed so now like I get home well I did get home open up my phone training would all be there on video you could watch it through like it’d all be clipped up and so it’ be like attacking shape defensive shape so you there’s like 10 10 analysts at quins so you get home it’s all done you don’t have you don’t have to like watch training and go through it all it’ll just all be there 10 people full time maybe that’s a bit no so cool um because I so I coached down at Worthing as well so that’s level four so a few leagues below and I have to do all that myself it takes forever so actually yeah when I was playing and it was all there for me it was yeah ideal wow again my friend has just started playing American football like again only like super low level I guess probably high level in the UK but you know low level and they’ve got an app and he’s like yeah we just log into the app everything’s there what drill we’re going to be doing what this what that all the stuff from the last game it’s mad it’s a weird thought isn’t it yeah yeah but I guess in in our world with mountain biking that’s GoPro footage it’s yeah supposed what milway was talking about analyzing sections and stuff like that isn’t it I tell you what I’ve never taken anything seriously enough I’ve never taken anything like genuinely i’t like I I I analyze biking the whole time I watch people do it but I’ve never had to so it’s like it’s always been playing for me every sport I’ve done has been I’m literally playing around like it’s still remains I’m kind of a bit like that like so with all that video analysis stuff if I I was always bad at watching whole games and going through them with a tooth com and going through everything um if I knew that I’d made an error or like I could have done something differently then I’d go back and watch that specific bit Yeah but probably never put in the effort that some of the guys do now like especially the decision decision makers so like the fly halves scrum halves um it’s all they do just like they’ll they’ll get literally get in from training and go watch it straight away watch the whole thing um which is kind of their job at the end of the day and mine was more just to run out run around and hit stuff um but uh yeah I think it is changing so someone’s deciding what you’re hitting you must have hit some walls in your time yeah are there like matchups that you would fear yeah so I was always quite a big big one for not running into walls obviously there’s times where you had to but I always like to kind of position myself a bit further out so I could use footwork and a bit of acceleration to run into softer shoulders yeah whereas some of the guys who run up and down in the middle just run into walls all day and yeah I was always a bit too small for that unfortunately man it’s rough isn’t it that’s your job yeah it’s how was it like after a game generally generally we’ll find out about after the game yeah can after the break nice that’s really good that’s really good thank you companionship are you looking to take ownership of your health introducing ag1 a powerful daily nutrition supplement designed by scientists to support your body’s needs ag1 is a comprehensive and convenient blend of over 70 high quality ingredients packed with vitamins minerals and Whole Food sourced nutrients with just one 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just yeah more all over like just everything everything hurts yeah um harder harder hard I often say like if people knew how much it hurt at 30 you’d never stop playing when you were 12 cuz it just gets a bit worse every year like yeah as you as you get older as as people get bigger like contact obviously gets harder and every year just yeah starts hurting a little bit more a little bit more a little bit more takes long to recover um yeah and I think if people realize how much how bad it was at the end they’ never never start um I’m really selling this aren’t I I hope I hope I hope no one the NES are watching this um I to know like so in a weird way Sundays were where you expect to be sore yeah they kind of were sore but it was Mondays when you had to come and start doing stuff it’s like wow I am I’m still really struggling here um and then it kind of you go through the week and you just start to feel good again and then it’s time to play another game it’s just like a continuous cycle um yeah it’s it’s kind of weird in a way I I think that like 10 days would be good if you could if it was feasible to get people to the ground on Wednesdays and like still have a good like good crowd good atmosphere on a Wednesday if you could go weekend Wednesday weekend Wednesday that would be ideal Rec you’d actually feel good again probably think the quality of the game would be better because people would be more arrested and yeah I think so like um there’s people yeah most Robby players once the season starts you’re never fully fit again yeah unless you actually get injured CU then you get rehab time and then you get bought back slowly whereas if you’re playing you you’ll never back to 100% there’s always something and actually like I’ve had bad injuries in the past as well but the times I struggled like mentally and physically was the smaller ones where you example of that so like an AC strain like grade 2 AC shoulder um you kind of you go no no contact all week you get to a game you strap it up you P it up but you know that first the first tackle you’re going to be in agony again um and you’re getting like pain C injections during the week steroid injections not bad steroids good steroids friendly ones friendly friendly ones um trying to get that swelling down and you know that actually in a week’s time it’s probably going to be a bit worse so like it’s those ones just keep on going so I had that with my shoulder had yeah a bad hip for a long time um it’s weird yeah so when I was younger so imagine your hip sockets here and your hip and your feur here and they’re meant to be round so mine actually genetically has little mump on it okay so like it always gr grinds so when I was younger like really really sore like pretty much constantly and then I dislocated it which was Agony at the time was out for ages but then after that I don’t know why it just kind of fixed itself did it really yeah yeah so second half of my career my hi was fine where was first half it was yeah Agony really weird it took the dislocation they think yeah they’re not really sure but they think it might have been that kind of bump that kind of Le levered it out of the and then when I had an operation to kind of put it all back together so it was stuck out they got it back in but they had to go they had to go clean out and stuff I was imagining it like out the side like a side car it was it was weird it was in in preseason so I I’d had like a really good preseason um it was the last preseason game just all kicked off and yeah I just got hit I kind of felt a pop my like leg was kind of like stuck up here somewhere um and I knew I knew it would happen I knew exactly what it was straight away I don’t know if you’ve had that when you’ve crashed when you know exactly what’s happened and my friend leis was like make it up you need to get back in the line and I was like my hips deicated get a physio just like SLA my hand in the air just lying on my back um and he just pumped me full of morphine gave me a gas in air and literally just yanked it yanked it back in um and yeah I’m so glad they did CU later on they were like that was we would have had one chance and we if it wasn’t going to go you just going in the ambulance and like I couldn’t imagine so it would have been how bad it would have been if they didn’t get it back in there how hard is the um is like the preseason and the midweek training like how hard do you go is it uh so it tends to be like really hard day Tuesday Wednesday physically hard as in you are hitting each other is that’s what I mean as well like do you replicate the game yeah so as my career’s gone on contacts come down and down and down in in in training sessions right um we were like mouth guards with uh accelerate acceler yeah ah I know word we had way on that’s what he was talking about accelerometers accelerometers yeah yeah um yeah that measure head impacts and stuff so like they can they can kind of get a guide on where your load is for that week if you’ve had a big game then you won’t do any contact the next week and they keep a lot more on an IR on it now um basically because they’re worried about concussions and the impact of like all those head knocks over the years you worried about concussions yeah you’d be stupid not to I think um I haven’t had many to be fair uh there was a period like kind of when I was 23 24 when I got a bunch back to back um but then been pretty good since then um but now like when you read when you read stuff it is scary isn’t it they talk about it a lot obviously with the NFL don’t they have like CTA and stuff like that is it as prevalent big word prevent yeah it is wow make sure you go close on that one um it’s did they is it as prevalent in rugby I don’t know there there are instances of it now is there yeah yeah so there’s I think it’s kind of going through the court process now there’s a bunch of EX players who have kind of come together and gone you should have protected us better oh really um kind of like it happened in the NFL I don’t think it’ll be on as big a scale because I think the big thing over there was there was loads of evidence that the NFL knew and kind of hit it was I don’t think that is the case in rugby it was that they just didn’t know um you you’d Hope anyway I don’t know that much about it but from what I understood it was like the helmets almost made it worse because you felt protected and so you would routinely have those impacts but the more they look into it they’re like apparently jet skiing is super bad for it yeah like jet SK explains a lot yeah yeah I’m I’m super worried about concussions I I had to do a video for focus and they scaned my brain and I watched a video and I wasn’t bothered by the video I I was just terrified that afterward they going to pull me to one side and I actually ended up just asking to blow cuz I’ve had quite a few and I had a few back to back like probably around the same age funnily enough which is like you’re doing a much cooler sport I’m lit coming off doing 360s stuff in the woods 0,000 people watching exactly I got like three BLS that smell like knee pads and you’re in front of 880,000 people get good cussed I don’t know but then if you’re by yourself you I mean you’re probably not going to carry on riding after that yeah okay you take yourself home but in front of 880,000 people in a big game I think now it’s a lot better but when I was younger and the education wasn’t there you just kind of carry on okay um which is where the real danger comes in I think CU like the second impact syndrome stff like that so that’s when you had backto back ones when you around that time or whatever yeah probably came back a bit earlier um it was taking less and less to kind of cause them I mean it’s mad how little it was born up I mean Action Sports back in the day probably around this sort of time it was oh he’s hit his head he’s back for his second run and like yeah really now my God praising it I didn’t even know I didn’t know anything yeah well no it’s was kind of funny like your mate would hit his head forget everything you you could take the piss of him um and then yeah obviously it’s causing damage long term but yeah I would throw up the next day and be like oh it definitely was like if you throw up the next day apparently that was when I was younger that was like yeah definitely had a few of those you’d ask you m to make sure I’m awake like make sure I’m not dead in my sleep come give me yeah don’t go to sleep like crazy back yeah but yeah so I guess it’s more protection now oh way more protection um there’s stuff like if there’s a suspected head injury you get taken off you’ve we’ve got like a baseline test and then they kind of test you again in the game you’ve got 10 minutes to kind of do that and then then make a decision to get you back on or keep you off okay um and there’s an independent doctor watching all the video like in a couple couple minutes behind looking for stuff constantly um and so if they see something then they can just pull you off straight away right wow um so yeah so much more protection there used to be and also like the education is for the players but also for the coaches so yeah they don’t have as they don’t press you to stay on like they used to be that pressure you know yeah yeah yeah and that again just comes with education doesn’t it it just comes through and I guess as you as the SP Sport grows it’s going to get better because there’s people that would be a bit more like ah just stay on you’ll be all right like they filter out oh yeah definitely yeah they those old school guys kind of drift out the top um and yeah it’s definitely a lot safer and as I said they changed the rules a lot so they’re bringing the tackle height down now so it used to be well it’s always been like above above shoulder height but if you kind of chopped a shoulder into the head it wasn’t that bad whereas now let any any heading impact as a red card you’re off is it um yeah so there’s kind of trying to protect you more and more um and then in the lower leagues it’s the tackle height is like down at sternum height now which means you have to be below that below that which is actually a nightmare for I think it’s well thee injuries yet um I think it’s been good for the kids who have kind of learned it at the time but so the guys I coach kind of a lot of them are kind of mid-30s right who can’t bend down that low anyway and then out down now being told they have to tackle down that low there’s not a chance but okay yeah there’s been a lot of red cards in my League this year yeah can’t get down that low I can just tackle that yeah but they’ll get it it’ll take a few years but they’ll get it yeah yeah how interesting what does training look like for your position does it vary between positions um yeah yes and no um as I said there’s a there’s a lot of lot of guys in the squad and probably three or four SMC coaches so they do try and keep you all on the similar programs oh do they um but then a lot is adjusted for injuries like some people squat some people deadlift some people box squat depending on what you can do um people have different fitness goals so like scrum hoves for instance do just have to be very fit just keep on running the whole time whereas the back row like like me um hasing more contact fit so we do a lot a lot of kind of stuff around that um in terms of just tacking tackling repeatedly and then having to run and then tackle like so yeah there are different goals but they try and keep us as as similar as possible so I think to make it easier for them and that is just all round [ __ ] strong that like what what is the me within strength and conditioning I feel like there’s so many varibles so we’ll do the big lifts like squat bench um yeah those are the big ones chins um there’s a lot of stuff around neck strength is a big one for the tackling and also yeah just to protect your head as much as possible yeah I guess durability is quite a lot of the training is for that is it yeah yeah um and then the backs will do a lot of Sprint work a lot of power stuff the forwards is more just get big and strong um but as you said you don’t want to get too big because then you can’t run so yeah it’s kind of a tricky balance to keep so what so let’s say you’re in the gym you’re doing a normal snc workout for your job as a flanker what are the lifts and what’s involved how long do you work out for so it would only be be over for an hour and like so our on Tuesdays we do our leg day normally so it’ be some exposure stuff so maybe some weighted squat jumps or some cleans M uh a heavy squat heavy RDL and then some accessories so maybe like spit squats while going split squats lunges that kind of stuff some more hamstring work Cal work and then and then Coe and that would kind of be it right okay um and then kind of similar pattern on the upper body days like a big heavy lift um and then just accessory stuff around that right okay um yeah a lot of the upper body stuff is actually grip strength’s a big one for t for like just for grabbing hold of people tackling and then just keeping your shoulders and neck healthy right okay um neck exercises are hard what what’s a good neck exercise you need you just need cables and that today oh really yeah yeah okay what and just just hold it hold it tuck your chin hold it I know yeah okay all right maybe get some twists in there yeah okay all right just get a big weight yeah get a harness hang it on your neck and hold it for as long as possible possible and that works that works that’ll do that’s it rugby don’t do that don’t do that skinny necks in the gym Luke [Music] said so um so after a game yeah you get off the pitch covered in mud Cuts bruisers all that what’s recovery look like um again it changed a lot so are we ice bath in oh it depends how you feel doesn’t it how how cold it’s been outside as that’s a big one true yeah you’re a winter sport isn’t it winter sport yeah I don’t I think ice is helpful if there’s like um specific bits where you’ve been hit hard like then I just yeah i’ I’d rather just ice that bit rather than jump a ice bath you can jump a ice bath the next day in the morning or something but yeah and then a lot of recovery as well depends on how drunk you get afterwards as well that’s to be fair if you it’s a big game that jacket cover up big game big night out it’s going to take a bit longer to uh to recover uh yeah I’m a big Advocate just sleeping if I’m honest are you really yeah just recovery recover yeah sleep nutrition yeah um get moving again which is actually where being inter cycling was great like just jump on the bike and spin for an hour or something just kind of get the blood moving again yeah um yeah standard stuff yeah what’s what’s nutrition look like for you have you always been a big dude or did no so like I had to work hard to put weight on especially when I was younger um I think my first year at Quinns I think I went from like 91 kgr to 105 in like eight months or something had just I mean it wasn’t good weight either they were like you have to be 105 by next summer I was like okay fine um let’s eat some cake um so yeah it wasn’t good weight but yeah had had to work really hard put it on but then yeah over the years like people ask like oh do you have to be really careful like no just getting good habits right I’m you probably feel I don’t know if you feel the same just like as you get older you just get used to it like you eat well yeah rather your Baseline is just good anyway like you’re never just going to like say eat trash a relatively good Baseline it feels important it’s like sustainable as well doesn’t it like I think the same goes for like working out if you’re doing a whole season I imagine you can’t oh yeah you can’t be no carbs year or anything crazy like that yeah just good food and goodish quantities I mean we also get fed three times a day at training so like that made life easier as well um what’s it so is there much pressure like that when you’re when you’re coming up like to meet certain weight targets or like strength goals is it like that I mean I can’t I cannot when I walk around that Cafe in Sur Sports Park I cannot comprehend how some of these humans have ended up that you know what I mean I do know what you mean like I feel like you are a big dude a big strong guy we all know some of your teammates they dwarf me mate like yeah there’s a go he’s not there anymore there’s a South African we had called Wilco low whose one one quad was probably at the size of both of mine just like bang like really he’s huge I think he’d grown up on a farm in South Africa just like wrestling cows whatever he did and then eating the cows and then yeah LIF yeah um he was huge like massive yeah and so strong as well um but com back to your question I think the rugby always tells in the end like you have to be big enough and strong enough and quick enough to to play the rugby yeah but like as long as you get it done on the pitch they’re not going to I always think with any of this stuff um it can be used as an excuse to get rid of you yeah but you’d have they’d have to want to get rid of you anyway yeah understood yeah it does make sense I think that about contracts quite frankly contracts are just like a way out aren’t they so like as long as you do the work well exactly like so in rugby there’s something vague in the contract about like not jeopardizing your ability to play rugby okay so skiing is the big one that they’re like you can’t ski and people always go well should he CAU mountain bike or surf then I’m like yeah but I’m like if I crash they really going to get rid of me I don’t think so so yeah kind of yeah just went for it because you’ve been mountain biking throughout your career right yeah yeah um yeah loads especially when I was so I I pretty much stopped I moved to Leicester for a few years and it’s very flat up there doing no biking no no so then then that was just Road biking and then that’s kind of taken over now but yeah kind of back when I was younger yeah it was loads of mountain biking um and I actually never did crash badly enough to have to stop playing rugby result um but yeah I just kind of took the risk and I’d have to argue myself out of it if I got injured yeah um I mean they’d be pissed off they’d Pro like possibility for fine maybe but I was like they’re not going to tear up my contract yeah it must be quite difficult as well it’s like your whole life revolves around one thing has rugby become um did it did it ever become a job did it feel like to you no yeah for sure yeah um like that I when I was playing rugby I wouldn’t watch games I wasn’t involved in or I didn’t have to watch to then prepare for the next game yeah I wouldn’t just watch England Ireland for fun yeah that kind of what do you think that that is um because I couldn’t watch it without being really analytical I’d all yeah you it was very hard to just sit down and watch a game of rugby and not get engross in it and not start really thinking through and doing all that so I’d kind of save that for work um and then do yeah do other stuff I enjoyed and actually I think it’s really helped now cuz I know a lot of guys struggle when they stop playing rugby because it was their hobby when they were young it’s become their job and then they retire and suddenly their job and their Hobby’s gone they’ve got like nothing left so actually having other stuff has been really helpful yeah now that’s always the risk I think once your you once that’s taken away from you then what do you do and you can’t go back and like I mean you can be a Pro mountain biker when you stop being pro you can go back to running around in the woods with your mates cycling around wood but not like that is it really I guess you can’t just no yeah you can’t just go play around on your own Sunday League You’ be pissed off yeah Luke’s here again I wish I wish he didn’t like rugby anymore he is could he go play football instead did you ever play for England so I’ve played three games for like the England second team okay SI so I got close went to a few training camps um never quite never quite happened okay which is which is sad yeah I would have Lov to played yeah yeah okay um but then actually I really enjoyed the second part of my career when I kind of put that aside I was like that’s not going to happen um and just threw everything into Club rubby yeah really enjoyed that as well so right so you moved around a bit M which uh which how did that happen after growing up in like a system yeah so I played 10 years pro for quins um we got a new coaching um that weirdly when I joined everyone was like oh he’s going to really like you like you’re going to get one really well like he loves guys who work hard you work hard like you’ll be you’ll be fine um and then it kind of just didn’t work out that way we kind of he didn’t he didn’t want a seven that’s my position um who played the way I played um I was also getting paid a lot of money at this point to not play like too much to not play um and he kind of he was like look your contract end of the year like we’re not going to sign you again um go go off and yeah find somewhere else quite scary yeah it was because so this was actually the year after my disc hip as well so although me leaving CRM was nothing to do with that when I went to other clubs so like you’re clearly not fit like that’s why you’re not playing um so I kind of yeah struggled to find somewhere eventually settled at Leicester um spent two years there and then the uh opportunity came to come back so yeah came back I loved it and leester like really good but it’s not not your home Club is it no no it’s great to come back so you did two years you just packed up and left yeah yeah pretty much I find it really strange cuz obviously my not to talk about my brother again OB you know my brother but he spent all of all of his life just traveling around just moving to these different places and just like starting again I’ve never done that I’ve been away from home 3 weeks maximum must have been well weird after almost growing up in a club yeah yeah definitely it was weird and actually soon after I got to Leicester another club that maybe would have suited me a bit better that I wanted to go to before like there were one I’d really trying to push push towards before they came in and was like oh actually you can come to us now I think had an injury maybe or just found there’s a salary cap in rugby and they suddenly found an extra bit of money they didn’t think they had yeah you can come so that was a big decision like do I move again or do I actually just buy in here so I just I actually bought in and yeah stuck at Leicester um what makes a successful Rugby Club what is it as a player that you’re looking for um well to make to be successful R Club it’s actually the ongoing like plan to success right I think that’s where Quinn has fallen down in the pass is like we’ve won the premiership and then slowly started a slide so I think when I won the first time next year we finished third next year we finished fourth eighth and then suddenly we’re like 11th and kind of like just kind of dropped off a cliff um whereas Leicester they weren’t successful when I was there but they are the best they’re the most successful Club in like historically um and they just love winning okay like everything that like they don’t they don’t care about playing nice rugby or attacking rugby they’re there to win um and it kind of like is throughout the whole club and that was that was cool to see to be fair I’ve never really seen it before so you’re like buying into a well you’re signing into a mentality yeah yeah regime is probably not the right word but like you’re buying yeah it kind of is a regime yeah like H Hans love like they enjoy their rugby yeah so we’ve got so it’s called true and I can’t remember what it is I’m going to to off for this it’s like Tempo relationships uncompromising enjoyment so enjoyment is like part of the club’s DN DNA right enjoyment is not part of ler Tiger’s DNA I can do that for free like they’re they’re there to work hard and do what it takes to win like and like you do enjoy it when you’re there because because it attracts those kind of competitive guys that like doing that stuff because if you don’t then you you leave very quickly um but yeah interesting to think that clubs have like um yeah like you say like a I don’t know like a personality almost it’s that club’s like that that club’s like that well the outside looking you never know that but yeah you have to find something to BU to yeah to bring all these people together and get everyone to buy into it um and yeah those clubs that don’t have that struggle CU you kind of separate off into different ceks people are pulling in different different directions yeah um meetings become painful cuz there’s like so many voices one do different stuff just like becomes a constant argument you have to have yeah overarching stuff which kind of pull pull the team together and keep everyone on the same direction I guess it can separate were there any clubs that were like scary to face um the big French teams again right okay how come you end up playing French teams though in in the European leagues right okay yeah yeah so is that how rugby works you play your Premiership yeah Premiership in England and then it’s actually the top eight now but you be the top six go off to like the top European competition right um so they play England Italy Ireland Wales Scotland um and then in the lower European competition they start pulling in like Spain and Russia and different places um that are kind of trying to build that rugby okay um so then you go off and play in those countries yeah yeah so you’ve seen some cool places as well then it’s taking you around the world in a way yeah it has um actually weirdly South Africa and Europe now as well don’t know if you knew that no I didn’t know that so so they’re on the same time zone as Europe right so like South Africa kind of stuck in the middle of nowhere either they go to Australian New Zealand which is where they used to play yeah um but obviously that’s a massive flight as well it’s not like the next door so then they decided they’d rather come up to us and stay on the same time zone to play I think it made TV easier because yeah so it it does make sense in some ways it’s it’s also a long way to go but yeah so I’ve been out there for some games I’ve had preseason over in America a few times um yeah got to travel travel around I know we’re going a little bit forward but you mentioned going to play in America yes so what’s American rugby like um growing probably a stupid question okay yeah yeah it’s it’s a weird one because they’ve got they’ve got all the talent there they’ve got so many players they’ve got guys that have played college American football not turn pro but then do you go play in front of 5,000 people and you’ve been playing college ball in front of 880,000 people like that’s a big decision to make so I think they are trying to pull people across um but yeah so it’s they’ve got the World Cup then I think the next one next cycle oh right so World rug pumping a load of money and trying to grow grow rby there okay and um and are they like attracting former professionals from the UK think about bit like major league soccer was when kind of like when David Becka went across there okay they yeah and like UK I like that like a lot of the Canadians Americans from the NHL were kind of retire and then and then kind of come across yeah probably same basketball NBA players and stuff yeah totally yeah yeah exactly the same yeah right yeah I was I American rugby just seems I was I was just thinking literally about American rugby yeah yeah yeah it’s I think it is a bit strange cuz there’s like in the NFL there’s 32 team so you don’t have to travel loads yeah whereas like I think there’s 12 maybe 10 or 12 teams in the in the American League at the moment and they spread over so like big away trips like when yeah when you’re not getting paid that much it’s California might be quite tough like boiling hot well no yeah so like there’s there’s actually a team in well there used to be a team in Toronto so freezing the whole time and then there’s a team in Miami team team in La like yeah there’s a lot of lot of different environments you got to play in there I was thinking about the difference in sport that’s what I was daydreaming trying to imagine what would be a benefit what would be like uh there’s a lot of UK rugby players going to play NFL now well I say a lot there’s yeah few people trying to go do it yeah it’s always interesting to see if they make it yeah there’s been a few I can think big dogs I don’t know there’s been a few famous yeah rby ones I can’t think their names not like not the biggest Superstars just to the Chiefs can’t remember his name zat something Reit that’s it yeah so he’s gone Chiefs hope I think he’s trying to play like slot receiver wide receiver okay um he’s rapid he’s really quick what position would he play in rugby so he’s a wing in rugby right okay so similar skill sets to you to what you do no no no to a wide receiver yeah right okay um so he’s going across there there’s a guy called Christian Wade who went went over so he I think he’s the top TR scorer in the Premiership Maybe lying about that he’s he’s a very high title in the Premiership um and he went across played running back for the Buffalo Bills I don’t think he ever got he like played some preseason games never got a like a start in the uh in the big big show right um but now he’s back playing he played he went straight to Paris played for a big team there and now he’s back in England playing I think he’s taking re amit’s job at yes they’re kind of doing a little swap huh um but yeah it be it would be cool if someone like actually managed to make NFL fan I’m actually an ice hockey fan oh yeah yeah yeah black ho black hle oh you really yeah I do like watch watching NFL as well yeah yeah same a bit of an NFL fan it’s quite a recent thing probably the last four years really I’ve just got really sunk into it it’s weird so I used to I used to be a New Orleans Saints fan and like would watch them a lot and then I started playing fantasy football yeah and now I’m just more interested in like what my fanty guys are doing I don’t I don’t actually watch anything I’m just like sat on the app going oh he’s called a touchdown he’s his Ransom got yours just the numbers of it rather than the actual thing cool yeah I’m the other way I tried playing fantasy but I just couldn’t do I couldn’t wait the app out up it was too hard wa I don’t know we’ve got a league with a bunch of the orbi guys actually so that’s quite nice we set it up as a quin’s league like 10 years ago yeah and now I think I might been the last one at quins like SS playing and then there’s people like all over the world playing it’s quite cool kind of yeah keep the official one it’s clever as hell isn’t it you can do a draft and stuff on it so clever so like we will meet up on yeah on zoom and like draft that’s cool man that is cool there’s something about it for me like I just it’s I find it really relaxing watching NFL and to be honest like with rugby if there’s a choice of watching any UK or whatever sport I I will watch the rugby because it is actually fun to watch like it’s there’s a lot of action I think exactly football I’ve just I’ve never I think if you’re not engrossed in like the the team aspect of football there can be a lot of like nil nil one1 games not much is happening yeah I guess makes it tense but yeah there’s not the constant action friend of said years ago it’s with any sport it’s just you get out what you put in and when you do put more in it’s so much more enjoyable if you actually understand the team you understand the personalities it’s way better yeah it’s weird yeah when I say I find football boring people go yeah but you watch the tour to France I’m like well yeah I know but I’ll watch I’ll happily watch a full stage of about like six hours in the mountains loving every minute there and people are going what are you doing but yeah oh well so you’ve reached so you you’ve now reached what you would consider a natural um pause yeah yeah a pause stocks yeah yeah no yeah you said pause now pause no no I’m done I’m I am done um I spoke to you before about it you seem pretty like no yeah I’ve yeah thrown myself into a few other sports I’m really enjoying it um um so yeah I was saying to before like when I retired I had a plan to start track cycling on the V and I wanted to compete in that CU it kind just really fit my physical skill set I think what I imagine you putting out some put some yeah um I don’t know yeah it was always like we do max power test in rugby on on the can I ask is it too annoying to ask the numbers do you know like what’s the most super freak crazy athlete you’ve kind of witnessed and you can include yourself into that if the numbers are there back so when I was a bit younger yeah I think I hit just over 2,300 on the what bike I’m not quite up there anymore I’m more like 2122 that is so that is so mental I don’t know the whats on a what bike I’ll be honest but I know it’ll be like astronomical you know I feel like um uh I reckon you’ll do half if that but that’s crazy just two humans like yeah like even like really good riders that are really powerful and good absolutely we’ll do half of that you know what I mean it’s a weird thing it’s weird though like you sustain it as well so my best over 30 seconds is just over 12200 right um but it’s yeah it’s weird I’ve noticed I’ve noticed as my like FTP goes up my Peak power comes down and the other way around it does it do flip flop like that um are you doing FTP tests and stuff uh I’ve got no interest in that shs no no I did one the other day I nearly died what’s that test functional threshold performance actually Luke maybe you can uh yeah so so it’s the it’s going to be the wattage you can hold for an hour right but you don’t have to do it as an hour so the normal test is 20 minutes okay as high as you can and I think it’s 95% of that isn’t it which I actually don’t think is accurate so no and like so because you can ramp test as well don’t if you don’t want to them rugby players like it’s not a good test for rugby players just the way we’re built cuz we can suddenly like Sprint the last bit and just like ticket uploads so we did we did a bit of training like we did our FTP test on the ramp test to set like our training zones for just basic Fitness levels yeah um and no one could do any of it because we all like cheat the what the ramp test because you can just put C we can just put crazy watchs for short yeah short period um and then we’d try and do the intervals and every everyone was dying um yeah so go yeah go back I was meant to meant to do that on the track and then obviously did started Jiu-Jitsu as well and that was just for fun and it’s kind of swapped so now I’m competing at Jiu-Jitsu um and the tracks more for fun but yeah jiujitsu so jiu-jitsu’s taken your taken my life how come how did you find it it was another so I mean I piced I I picked both these Sports I thought I’d be quite good at them I’m not going to lie okay did you yeah yeah yeah they were both like they weren’t picked out hat no no they were both I think I was like I’ve got skill sets that could suit both these things um I don’t know just yeah got down there and loved it and it’s kind of really addictive you um everyone says that yeah I yeah it’s hard to imagine but you go get your head kicked in for 90 minutes and then you get home and you’re like searching YouTube trying to find out like how could you have done this better how what what could you have done um and yeah it’s really taking my brother is it like he’s just obsessed and like I’m like I have to be like dude I don’t understand what you’re talking about like I can’t I can’t interact with the same passion you’re talking about a Kimura triangle this and that you’re like I don’t know what any of it means I don’t to be fair I’m bad at that as well because um so Dan and Guilford Were Me and You by the RO terrain um everything’s kind of game based they kind of show you a bit what to do and then they just go just yeah go go fight teach yourself kind of thing cuz I think that’s the best way to learn um but it means yeah there’s not a coach going right this is a kamur this is how you do it this is uh some random Japanese name the say do so PE like other other gym guys from other gym try and talk to me about stuff I’m like I don’t know what you’re talking about like you can show me are probably will but yeah not got 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dream or what get amongst it companionship thanks Peaks back to the [Music] episode man I can’t believe we didn’t get it on camera he’s good good he’s good straight in there wasn’t it he ta I didn’t know it was happening tapped straight away Taps fast he I just tap on a regular basis I decks enough that he just I forgot we’re recording oh dear can uh I’ve got some really God you haven’t I got somee good rugby questions God have you actually yeah yeah yeah yeah oh yeah can we do can we do a couple of my Ruby questions go for it because I really want to tick them off all right so here okay here we go if I don’t know the anwers of these now yeah maybe who’s been your wildest teammate and why so Joe Marlo is the obvious one obious one and he’s the one that people might know yeah I know the name you know the name do you know the name yeah he’s an oldd kid okay um also a lovely kid but yeah he’s he’s a good lad but yeah he uh is himself and just owns it really so he’s wild in what way he’s a total Enigma you can’t describe him um I don’t know no yeah what you see on TV and um podcast is exactly what you get right right and like yeah he’s he’s a very bizarre BL I don’t know if it’s like obviously some stuff’s covered up here what people get up to professional players and stuff but I spent a bit of time in Australia okay and over there it was like it seemed to be way more accepted that the rugby guys would just loose as [ __ ] all the time’ be on the news like I remember there was one thing I was in um Kola Kola sharks remember them like and it’ just be on the news like oh yeah Kola sharks went out last night stole some golf carts driven down the highways like it was just like a thing that was just more I think you’re right yeah I think over here especially being in London like there’s no like there’s no protection in that kind of thing like we’re not that big a deal like if we muck around somewhere like we’ll get kicked out going to get like normal treatment normal treatment yeah whereas I think and maybe some of the smaller towns you can kind of get away a bit more I think but yeah um I think you’re right though in Australia it’s kind of is definitely more accepted yeah um and over here like rugby still has a bad name for that kind of stuff okay um but mainly at like lower league clubs and universities are terrible right in terms of like drinking initiations and stuff like that but yeah rugby proper clubs are kind of pretty tame at the moment I okay yeah interested um what’s the worst injur it’s quick fire I’m so sorry it’s not the not shouldn’t be what’s the worst injury you’ve played through played through I was telling you all about this earlier as well actually so I broke my finger which doesn’t sound that bad but I thought it was dislocated so I tried to pop it back in so I gave it a good yank and a Twist tried to pop it back in and kind of just Twisted the whole thing round and so when I when I bent my finger it was kind of bending over this way instead um jeez and they kind of just strapped it together to the next one and we’re like play as long as you can I probably played like 20 more minutes and I was like look I’m I’m done I’m need to come off um this isn’t that good turns out I was like this isn’t this isn’t good um and yeah so then I yeah came off x-ray it was broken we knew that anyway yeah operation next week and then yeah how long does that take to get back six weeks something five weeks six weeks bones are easy yeah yeah yeah once I once I fixed I fixed true um I had a a sort of yeah a friend really who played I guess semi professional rugby in Sheffield Sheffield can’t remember the name of tigers I think it is anyway but I remember talking to him and he was talking once about like some of the stuff that goes on like on the field maybe that you wouldn’t normally see maybe little grabs here pinches there fingers go in places they shouldn’t so what’s something that like happens on the pitch honestly now not much you know what I’m talking about like I’m not making there’s there’s so many cameras around now yeah that there’s nothing like I remember when I used to watch rugby like people are getting out ey gouged the whole time stuff like that but yeah it doesn’t happen right much trash talk people talk smack at each other sometimes not not massively quite gentlem otherwi yeah yeah like a like a pinch or a pinch is horrible in it if you’re in pinching don’t happen how did I a pinch like on the inside of your thigh and stuff that yeah it’ be horrible but horrible we’re not that pathetic I don’t think I’d like to think we’re not that pathetic though pinch mental dear I like that what are the ones have you got on your see I like the quick far I’m done good it yeah okay um so I’ll just say it as I’ve written it you’ve had a long association with the harle quins what does the club mean to you and how has it shaped your career wow okay that’s a that’s a lovely question honestly you God I don’t know like yeah as as you said was there for a long time but I think probably like 16 years in total maybe from when I was younger yeah that’s about right um so yeah it means so so much like when I when I first left there was kind of it was it was a big battle to find another club so it’s kind of like will I have to retire here like is a good decision ision to just call it a day retire then and I would have hated to have retired back then um so getting to come back and play for them again was was amazing that’s so good you get a big welcome when you came back as well fans and stuff yeah yeah F fans are great um it helps that I’m quite recog recognizable I think so yeah the fans all know me yeah um but no yeah coming coming home was was so good um and yeah I think it’ll be a club I’m involved with forever now I think in terms of yeah in terms of going to watch just like keeping contact with the players um yeah do you have like um almost like what you call like VIP status if you go to you go to Stadium you can just go in watch any game is it like that at the moment maybe I’m not sure about next year not after this podcast um though yeah just maybe send a text the right person get a ticket yeah but yeah no yeah cool I think it’s really cool like the the family aspect of team sports like it’s isn’t it like it’s just I think it’s really nice and also like like literally the program that you came from I guess there’s as players you sort of remain involved with with that a bit like the the and the development Squad and stuff yeah definitely um so we’ll have similar player appearances to I guess you guys with sponsorship appearances let’s get sent off down to the to coach the young L for a bit M I was interested in that because you got a lot of sponsors on your jersey and and a lot of like team sports don’t necessarily like uh make the most of their athletes you know certainly as a bike rider you’re just like expect it’s expected of you the whole time oh no definitely I think they kind of pick and choose a lot more I think send you to the big events they want you at right yeah um and yeah then that tends to be the big players as well there’s there is a little middle ground so when you’re young you get sent to all the rubbish ones like I don’t know turning on the Christmas lights at some random Village in Sussex or something like that you get sent off to that and then when you’re like a big time player you get sent off to all the like the massive like Premier sponsor events and then in r in the middle there’s a little bit where you don’t have to do anything which is ideal um but no we’ve had some good ones as well like we were sponsored by EAD Airways for a bit oh man which is so again come back to the first time we’re in the Prem final they flew us out to ababi for the week just for a training camp the week before the final that was cool um and you just had to I think we had to go to like an one event and meet some people that was it yeah so yeah you get some cool perks of sponsors as well yeah it’s interesting because it’s like obviously you’ve got ticket sales like if you if you compare it to I don’t know probably downhill is what we’ll know yeah yeah the lot and like if you compare it to that there’s not that kind of Stadium ticket price and because of that it puts a lot more emphasis on the sponsors I feel like like the sponsorship aspect is super important whereas I think when you’ve got when you’re not relying as much on the sponsors um you’ve got all those ticket sales I think I think the sponsor still is a massive part yeah still a massive part but they’re sponsoring the team they’re not sponsoring the individual individual and like as a player you don’t have to go find your own sponsors where I know a lot of that so it’s not it’s not your face attached to it’s the team attached to it a lot yeah there’s like a degree of separation almost isn’t there you’re not like do you have personal sponsors or have you had like outside of what’s on the shirt yeah Adidas for a bit right small ones small ones well yeah big SP but they yeah it wasn’t it wasn’t a big sponsorship it was a big sponsor yeah it wasn’t a big sponsorship um some people do yeah for sure end it’s always I think there’s there there’s a few Red Bull um that athletes now yeah no way in rugby they wear Red Bull on their scram hat really yeah I think Jack n’s one yeah I remember seeing like they had a few cricket players and stuff for a while yeah yeah I don’t know what they do it was like red bull logo on cricket bat cricket bat yeah yeah yeah yeah no way yeah I thought they could put it on the you know the Wicket you could have two little red balls two balls nice out not bad not bad that’s a good one actually that’s why yeah that’s why you’re good at marketing isn’t it there you go and that’s why you get paid the big bcks oh dear um that’s actually a great shout yeah so good amazing yeah I bet someone’s listening to this like [ __ ] why do we ever do that before um so back to the phone uh what advice do you give or could you give to Young athletes now that like especially what we were talking about before about maybe like transition game like do you do you Mentor players do you still do that stuff not really but the one bit of advice I always say is don’t Focus too early I think there’s such a as Things become more professional and like academies start younger there’s such a pressure to just play rugby from age 10 or something yeah and like don’t do everything like yeah I’ve got so much from cycling surfing in terms of Just Fitness and then balance and like just athleticism sing yeah like hand coordination from hockey just all that kind of stuff like build you together into Nataly whereas if you just on one path I don’t think you get as well-rounded well-rounded yeah yeah so that would be your advice just to mix it up a little bit do other stuff yeah for as long as for as long as possible like yeah you should be playing loads you don’t have to specialize till you’re an adult I don’t think and even then keep on doing other stuff well there’s always that problem there of like burnout you seeing loads of loads of young people coming through doing different things yeah especially if you’re if you’re playing like organized rugby I imagine it’s like a lot of hard work versus the amount of actual like enjoyable rugby playing time that you definitely like now I missed the games for sure um but yeah I don’t particularly miss the training cuz yeah it’s not not as enjoyable you know you’re there for the yeah you’re there for the weekends yeah um yeah not not for the week so much I guess the training sort has a purpose as well doesn’t it like training for without that kind of goal oh yeah definitely like at the end of the season it’s always like wow yeah I’m done get a nice little break and then within three weeks like right let’s get back to it I need to like because the next the next season’s on the horizon like you’re you’re buzzing to get started again yeah um how long’s the season all we year pretty much no September to miday right okay actually still going so I’m lying it’s now early June yeah probably yeah yeah it used to be mid May it’s kind of just drawn out and out it feels like winter outside that’s for sure so it does isn’t it keep rolling yeah um I got a relatively dumb question you don’t have to answer it if you don’t want but why not it’s the sort of game we’re playing today um you obviously retire might retiring done okay we can say I’m done have you like are you actually retiring from having a job like have you have you made enough money absolutely not absolutely not no um unfortunately not no so yeah I’m kind ofing it’s kind of sorry to interrupt you you know compare it to Premiership football yeah yeah oh no it’s nothing I think there are a few that if I mean England players pretty much earn more from one six nations than the rest of the league does in the whole year right so like if you’re playing England you’re kind of doubling tripling your money probably probably so those guys if they are clever with it I think there are a few that can kind of go off do other stuff especially if they’ve got an image as well that they can kind of use afterwards yeah um but no the majority of us has to get have to go get normal jobs okay um I mean how much money do you need to fully retire from a sports career you live it depends where you live live in Leicester not a lot if someone gave you an amount that you thought off the top of your head I think the big thing is just having paid off your yeah if you’ve done that actually you don’t need that much yeah yeah I think yeah yeah that’s it isn’t it I had a conversation with someone the other day who we had this exact conversation about retiring and he was like I just need to make or have 4 million and I was like yeah obviously that be nice that was his goal 4 million like get to four and then it’s done is that so yeah yeah I’ll tell you it is after but yeah yeah it’s interesting I’ve never really thought about when someone says oh you know you take it for granted like someone said um if you win a tour a stage of the tour to France there was like this uh people used to say if you win a stage of the tour of the France you basically can retire you make enough money that you can retire that was what I don’t know if it’s true I don’t know if there’s any truth to it whatsoever but like I remember someone saying that but I’ve never thought about what that actually means yeah like it’s all relative isn’t it live and I think that relate that probably relates the image like you win a stage with a tour R suddenly you’re recognizable you can keep on using that for like after a speaking whatever like yeah TV appearances just keep that money trickling in probably if you need it I don’t know no it’s funny thought isn’t it yeah yeah so what does life look like now right now I’m pretty much training like a professional athlete without getting paid so that’s funny um last so actually quins have been good so one of our sponsors is Charles Stanley who’s uh asset manager investment no asset manager um so I’m doing some work experience there seeing if I would want a really boring job really yeah we’ll see okay and that’s amongst all this I got a math degree as well a math math degree yeah have you really so I’m looking at some yeah some city jobs I’m also looking at um some kind of engineering jobs in either cycling or Motorsports something like that wow some like Aro stuff um okay and yeah just try dream job Arrow would be I think is it yeah like some sort of like Formula One sort of yeah yeah but it’s a lot harder to get to I think obviously so much competition for yeah for a few spots yeah um yeah I’ve got to wait I’ve like it’s annoying that the Olympic Cycles now with Paris this summer I tried to get into britsh cycling for a bit of work experience and stuff and they like go away come back next year I like okay fine we’ll see um yeah I you’ve getting it Olympic year isn’t it yeah so no yeah at the moment just trying anything and everything um seeing what’s six thing what I like okay um not really in any rush I’ve got got the cash to just chill out for the time being that’s cool man um yeah well earned cash I think by the to as well yeah I I don’t want to make light like it’s such a huge achievement to have a career in a sport as competitive as rugby is really amazing like well done it’s rad isn’t it why um why have you retired um so one of the things I wanted to do was stop before my body was like no you got to stop right um I don’t want to get to a point where I can’t go cycling or I can’t do stuff I wanted to do yeah um so that was thing that was one and then it was just also just getting harder and harder to get um to get contracts at the end of the day right it’s uh we can we can go okay so uh please please so in rugby there’s a salary cap yeah so everyone in the squad has to come under that salary cap um but unlike in basketball there’s a maximum contract and a minimum contract in rugby it’s not as a freefor all so basically like the teams where it used to be kind of an even spread across age groups and stuff now you can be old and paid exceptionally well or young P paid nothing pretty much so like there’s not there used to be a tier below that like England player which kind of isn’t there anymore cuz it’s just not worth it’s not worth paying them that when you could just be paying three young guys and hope one of them were good instead um so kind of that middle that middle tier has been pulled out and kind of that’s where I was so it was just kind of getting every year it was a bit harder right so I was like no is it nor like a yearly contract that you’d sign or would it be uh like between one and three so it used to be three and then it was two and then it was one I was like yeah yeah so physically you worried about what was it that was making you worried you weren’t going to you know oh just the chance of an injury I think like it goes up a lot as you get older yeah yeah definitely um as I said yeah been pretty lucky in terms of like knees are the ones that normally go they’re the big big ones um and they’ve been good uh my back has been bad at times my hips obviously been bad but like yeah at the moment I’m feeling I’m probably feeling the fit as I’ve been in ages um which is quite nice and yeah so I think it’s been a good time to get out nice Wicked yeah it’s SOG yeah absolutely I think it’s amazing yeah we were talking about it like obviously you’ve lived around this way all your life and it’s just I think it’s so cool when you kind of realize there’s people doing things like you have different stuff yeah like you don’t see it day to day do you and then um it’s true yeah it’s going on there there’s interesting people doing interesting jobs all over the place yeah going back to what you’re saying about having quite a lot of Pro mountain bikers around here yeah if you spoke to like when I say like Brendan lives around the corner they’re like what oh how how’s that happened well yeah it’s a bit weird but yeah it’s people just don’t know yeah um and actually they they they are all all around yeah there you go there seems to be a lot down here weird yeah a lot more is there is there a lot of rugby players live around this area as well do people Yeah well yeah people live where where the teams are to be fair right okay um it tends to be more South Southwest there’s teams in Newcastle Manchester but that’s it yeah okay yeah yeah I don’t know if there’s one in Sheffield anymore is there used it’ll be Rie league and Sheffield different right so we now you’re focusing on your Jiu-Jitsu are you more are you more or less likely to go out riding a mountain bike with with me I have to borrow a bike but I’m there I’m there no mountain bike at the moment no M see I said earlier no tough he’s all on the track honestly that is the most expensive sport ever it’s crazy yeah yeah I was think I was trying to think of the most expensive components I could think of so like the tri spoke wheels like a front wheel is like two and a half grand um like a handlebar is like 800 quid I did not what is it that’s handle bar getting you so fired up for track what is it what what are the components that make you is it see the joke you did there very good clever ah I think it’s just there’s something about just like being just like man and machine against the clock or against someone else which is like it’s just so um there’s no hiding is there it’s like literally you’ve got a train yeah and the work you put in kind of come out the other end um so yeah doing some like match Sprint stuff on that so that’s the one where it’s like you versus one one other person right you start opposite sides no no you start like together and it’s kind of like the cat and mouse where you go really slow and then suddenly you sprint off okay that one yeah um but no yeah it is fun as well okay it’s fun going fast where’s the local Val unfortunately the Olympic Park Manchester no no no it’s traford all right no no okay I’m making it up when I’m rding there’s not many there’s not many no for it’s being Olympic sport there’s very few weird isn’t like London Manchester Derby oh yeah cff yeah Newport um but yeah there’s not Mone no participation Wise It’s low but Niche it is very Niche but is undeniable when you watch it isn’t it yeah it’s cool it’s kind of undeniable I think when you ever do anything even just Road cycling like you can’t it’s in it’s inescapable and someone’s beating you yeah yeah also I like how simple track bikes are as well yeah they’re very yeah oh yeah they are pretty they’re very pretty yeah just like one gear yeah really stiff just they are pretty with the exception of the Flying Scotsman have you seen that bike have you not seen it have you seen it I’m I hope I’m not making it up trade it was like a wild the wild is one of the ones that got banned that like yeah yeah yeah I I would have seen it awful aw they look great now yeah fantastic I’m pretty sure it’s called The Flying Scotsman hope I didn’t get it wrong oh yeah so yeah so now it’s just you track on the road a bit and then I’ve been debating whether to buy a man bike as well but I haven’t got around to it yet well I think after doing this podcast youa have to going to have to yeah there need to be some followup content absolutely abely yeah maybe an ebike then it could be like active recovery from your Jiu-Jitsu training yeah true I’ve never actually been ebiking so Game Changer I think you like it yeah so Sam shman Actually engineer at White so he does help me out a bit when I when I want nice but yeah that’s a good contact that for sure hell yeah well thanks ever so much for coming on this has been cheers man Che fting it has yeah I’m sorry if we glad it has hope you’re not just saying that but no honestly it’s so cool to just have someone on that’s not our normal guests as that makes sense yeah like it really is cool to actually have done a bit of research was really cool as well right enjoy doing it yeah I I hope we didn’t ask too many stupid questions but I I find it interesting learning as well I’m like I’m quite aware we didn’t speak much about cycling but yeah good anyone listening sick of cycling now rabbiting on about it wiked where can people find you if you want people to find you not lore wall on everything pretty much yeah Happy Days thanks dude cheers guys thank you appreciate you thank you um you say it peace and love like And subscribe mate what an episode brilliant I thought you were really great Davey mate and I thought you were even better thanks dude better than normal oh cheers hey how about we tell our lovely podcast Community to hit subscribe here yeah click on the video on ‘s face that’s right click on the video on my face yeah and follow us at the Ronan on Instagram they can 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I'm so glad he plugged keeping up with other sports ….it's taking a long time to stamp out the "early specialisation is best" viewpoint among coaches in many sports .
What a top lad.