Update on the U.K. ebike laws under consultation allowing 500w motors, no throttle constrictions up to 15.5 mph.
so there’s going to be a general election which is great so that’s going to put things back months so what I’m looking at now is what’s the future of the consultation and there’s been some updates so let’s have a look at those so there’s been an online consultation recently between hosted by an MP uh Trudy Arison who used to work for the Department of Transport or department for transport um and Industry leaders such as Brompton the bicycle Association and various people who are vested interest and keeping ebikes off the road or at least at a minimum even the motorcyclists don’t like us because they look at us as being a threat they’ look at ebikes being a threat to their businesses and within that they all have a vested interest in sort of making sure this this consultation at 500 watt Motors and three throttles up to 15.5 mph it doesn’t go through because this makes even e bikes a tempting option my problem with a lot of this is that the vested interests are actually trying to pull the muscle over the top of these ebikes bromton Brompton has a real serious point that it would take them five years to catch up and build an ebike that Rivals a Chinese ebike company and is legal and tested and everything else what’s their problem it’s Financial it’s all Financial all of this is financial and with us looking at now 2025 if this does go through it’s another year away and even then they’re going to be they don’t want this the British cycle Association doesn’t want this they want their mammals riding around at 30 mph in mermaid suits they want they want they want they want the status quo on the road and they’re a menace they’re a worse Menace than ebikes and all I keep reading is danger danger danger danger well I’m not being funny but more people die on on normal cycles each year than ebikes so I don’t know what the danger is and one of the other things is the barrier to entry for people who are heavier or disabled and the cost I looked at the ebike that Trudy Arison said that she rides around with a 250 W Motor in the Lake District and she has no problems getting appe pills well that’s this it’s nearly three grand that’s a financial barrier to entry for anybody that’s wanting an ebike for a start off especially low paid workers who would like to use these to get to working back the whole industry is against ebikes more so Chinese evokes because they can’t compete cost wise and they know people like them and they know that given the choice you pay two grand 1500 Qui for an E Bike not if bromton brought one a decent one out it’s going to be five grand people can’t afford that you know then they’re they’re going to be the ones that are barrier to entry for most people so this is about British Industries talk saying we don’t want this the motorcyclists don’t want this because if you’re given a choice that you can get an ebike that’s next to nothing to run or a motorbike to go work what are you going to do that’s their biggest fear so at the moment we’re now looking at like I said 2025 before any of this goes through if it goes through you’ve got industry leaders trying to stop it from happening so one of the arguments is where did this this proposal come from initially and people say it just come up out of the blue well it didn’t actually that the consultation has been going on for pretty much a year people knew about it and now they’re trying to react to it and within that it’s the industry in the UK that needs to catch up it’s not the fault of Chinese ebike manufacturers that have jumped the gun make a good product on the whole well I’ll say on the whole they make good products at a price point that people can afford that biggest barrier to entry is going to be the price of the boik and like I said if bromton brings one out it’s going to be five grand if it brings out a decent one it’s going to be £5,000 there’s there’s people like pedal me that are fighting for this for the disabled the people who want the mental health benefits of these bikes they’re fighting for the 500 W Motor and the free throttle the free throttle is another barrier to entry for a lot of people if you can’t use your throttle you can’t move these ebikes there’s a lot of vested interests by different companies to make sure this doesn’t go through there’s a lot of vested interest but not one of them’s thinking about the general public they’re thinking about profits they’re not thinking about the health benefits the mental health benefits of these ebug when Trudy Arison was questioned about the necessity of 500 W Motors in a free throw she actually said this is her words um where’s it gone absolute rubbish I have a Ribble L Al which allows me up to 250 Watts I live in the lake district and I I would say on level one which more it’s more like 75 WS power it’s absolutely adequate for most of the passes in the late District National Park really so this a picture of a that’s skinny ass that wants normal siiz people to ride around on silly little low power ebikes because it’s all right for her it’s not all right for everybody is it that’s one of the big things it’s not all right for everybody this isn’t a clean sheet for everybody there’s no datum that you can set it off as an average so don’t expect anything to happen till 2025 if we’re lucky and don’t expect it to actually go through because vested interest for everybody from the motorcyclist to the mammals that you see around dressed up as mermaids and everybody else wants theira and they’re saying 250 watts is enough it’s okay to ride a normal bike at 30 m hour you know dressed up in that well-known body armor Lyra and if you ride into somebody you do just as much much damage is an ebike that weighs 35 kilos at 15 mph and these these idiots get splattered all over the road every day you can see the way they ride and half the way they deserve it they don’t own the road and now they’re trying to own the fact that people can’t own ebikes what motors free throttles on there usually the people say that you’re cheating well it’s not a race we’re just trying to get from a to V you on the other and think you’re on the tour to France it’s diabolical and it pisses me off that we have now had the chance to change some of the barrier to entries on eik Law and people are footing around with it messing about with it arguing against it for absolutely no other reason than financial or bravado and that makes me sick it should make you sick too anyway I’ll leave a link to some of the stuff in the comment section below and well after this news try and have a nice day
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Well said, thanks.
Pleased i left the UK years ago.
As a invalid after a accident, my Chinese ebike has given me a new life.
Good luck to all.👍
I ride a vespa px plus my ebike i seem to be having more fun on the ebike
Let’s be honest. Uk so fair so fucked. On so many levels. Fuck it. If I win Lottie I am out of this stupid little uk
I am 73 years old . I need the twist throttle on my bike . I been paying road taxes for over 57 years so to me i am entitled to ride or drive on the bad shape roads. Pisses me off big time.
Sadly its not only england problem. Its shame shit in whole f.. EU. Man with mainly on electricity scooter can driwe with throtle and get on podestien drive and i nead to go on road with 25 km/h and no throtlle. Bull shit
It's the restriction on a throttle that I don't understand. If the motor cuts out at 25Km/h then what is the difference getting to that cut out by peddling or by throttle?
You speak a lot of truth my friend passed my motorcycle test at 19teen now I'm 64 l and can get a honda that can do 160 mph with a throttle grip but shit l would not see 65,
But l got an ebike that goes 15 mph to keep me fit l used to be a driving instructor for a car but can't put a throttle on my buddy ebike to move off at a junction to keep up with traffic, thought it was all about emissions and keeping the air clean just shows how the immature politicians that run this country are all about. 😔
Great video
You can convert a cheap old bicycle for about £300 + . I have a full suspension MTB and a vintage Raleigh maverick . Costs £25 , 30 years ago for Raleigh and MTB was a gift from emigrating mate. Two ebikes with Yose conversion kits equals less than £700 for two ebikes. Due too chronic degeneration on lower lumbar on multiple levels means walking is a bastard but can cycle .
All true. But if the police are not investigating burglaries then they're not checking the wattage of ebikes
ebikes should be classed as mopeds, and have the same legal requirements, license,insurance and number plate. electric cars have to follow the same rule as ice cars
You are correct Electric Vehicles have been a complete failure in every respect, but e-bikes have been a big success story that threatens many vested interests. Take batteries, an Electric Vehicle takes hours to recharge drawing huge amounts of electric power that most homes cannot supply and will give you very little range, on the other hand e-bike batteries can be recharged in an hour using very little electrical power, moreover a pedal assist is basically a push-bike with motor assistance. You never run out of power because you can select pedal assist "0" and pedal home under your own power. so you never get stranded. If you are a long way from home you can also put your bike on a train or bus to get back home. The best mid-range DIY motor is produced by the world famous Chinese Company Bafang. I love Chinese Engineering. https://youtu.be/ge8fIB6AVPc?si=Wlv6Do9q_jLQx1sD
From a North American a perspective this seems crazy to me. I have a 1986 mountain bike converted to an ebike with a UK product, the Swytch system, and zoom around my city at 32kmph with a throttle. Above that speed the motor cuts out. Cost me $450 the bike cost $100. If people want e-bikes let them have them! The market and competition will, hopefully, determine the price.
Eat the bugs
Brompton do make an e-bike, £3k.. can’t imagine it would take much for them to add a throttle and up the wattage a bit.
If there’s money to be made or a threat to there profit there’s always an anti group out there!
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better to plead for forgiveness than ask permission.
As I understand it, if your electric bicycle is equipped with a motor over 250W, or doesn't cut out at 15.5 mph, it is legally considered a motorcycle. Consequently, it must be registered, insured, and taxed. You'll also need the appropriate driving licence and a helmet approved for motorbike use. Therefore, you can indeed have a 500W e-bike in the UK today, provided you comply with the regulations applicable to motorcycles. I have two Raleigh e-bikes at home and use them on a daily basis for school trips and journeys around York. And it annoys me that they start backing off on the power when they reach over 22km/h and they have a setting called Turbo to add insult to injury.
One of the challenges is determining the threshold between a bicycle with an electric motor and an electric motorbike as the power increases. Historically, manufacturers exploited a loophole by introducing 5-speed 50cc motorcycles with vestigial pedals that could reach speeds of 60 mph. In response, the government redefined "moped" to mean a vehicle incapable of exceeding 30 mph.
While increasing motor power can help heavier riders tackle hills, where should the speed limit be set? Currently, it’s 15 mph. Should it be raised to 20 mph, 30 mph, or even 60 mph for lighter riders? If the latter, how would it differ from a motorbike that requires registration, insurance, and tax? This is essentially the current situation if you want an electric bicycle with a motor over 250W and a throttle. I think that it would be easier if you could guarantee that everyone on a e-bike was going to be a sensible commuter going about his day.
But as as referenced in this video, so called professional cyclists dressed up in lycra and cycle helmets, "some of them" can be the biggest muppets on the road riding 3 abreast and when alone ignoring red traffic lights. They are traveling at a higher speed than my ebike can take me.
Iif we allow over 250W, do we need to regulate the use of bicycle projects that have larger motor? Currently on eBay I can buy a 48V 2000w Brushless E-Bike Electric Bike Rear Wheel Hub Motor Conversion Kit and bolt it onto any bicycle for £389.00. How do we propose to write a law that covers a 50 year old commuter and a 16 year old in a hoody doing his business around the estate on a bicycle such as this.
Perhaps we need to compare where we are, and where one of the countries with the greatest number of commuting cyclists, the Netherlands stands on this issue. Do they have plans to make a lot of changes in the future? And yes, I am aware they are extremely lacking in hills across their nation.
My biggest fear is burning my house down with a bad Chinese cell.😂
Outside of that, most 250 Watts are 650 watt peak. So that's a bs argument.
But for me 750 watt and throttles.
So glad I built my ebike before the change of law so legal throttle. 😊
Politicians don’t want you riding ANYTHING that they aren’t making a fortune screwing us for.
U.K. really do not like e-bikes, do they? Sad.
Hang on – there's vastly more normal cycles in use than E-bikes. So the number of injuries on normal cycles will inevitably be higher. Moot point.
The main issue I see with higher power E-bikes is they are on par with scooters in terms of performance. The difference between a scooter rider and an e-bike rider is training/licencing/insurance/registration/mandatory helmet wearing/minimum age. How is a 500w e-bike with a throttle fundamentally different from an electric scooter? The risks are the same on both machines, so control measures need to be the same surely?
Need to be classed as motorcycles at that speed.
Chinese ebikes are a danger and so are the idiots riding paths
I've got an ebike (with throttle) and a motorcycle licence. I've given up on the ebike scene unfortuately due to these stupid BS laws and just purchased a new motorcycle. Well done dft ! 🙁
Tongsheng TSDZ2B with open source firmware. My bike is illegal enough to pass a UK roadside inspection… 🙂
The most powerful mental health benefit is in the dangerous and fast bits of life.
Office workers [MPs] don't comprehend true reality and believe nothing but spreadsheets and social media [Chinese] propaganda.
The point is only that YOU live your life how you are told! No real adventure without high cost. No threat to yourself or anyone else. Even if you're the most Peacefully minded individual.
Crime is not crime without a victim and they rely on the invention of a fictional victim to hinder your life's joyful journey.
I've no axe to grind with any forms of transport, and stumbled on this site, but it is fairly obvious you have your own opinions and ideas. In my (considerable) lifetime I've used most forms of road transport and would state the following from experience 1/. Some cyclists are indeed a danger, riding 2 or 3 abreast or worse riding on main roads slowing down traffic adjacent to a cycle path, both of these should be punishable by fines. Cyclists should also have compulsory insurance and identification. 2/. There is a proven case for not going too fast, this makes riders attempt to overtake and they do not have the power to get past quickly. Cast your mind back to the multiple fatalities in the 70's when boys were restricted to 50cc 30 mph motorbikes, didn't stop them flying around. 3/. Your case for disabled people using these made me laugh, not really disabled are they?, surely a mobility scooter (hence the name as you get fined if you're not disabled on one £1000) is the transport of choice?
I have lived in the Netherlands where they have long had powered bicycles, but you need a moped licence, that should apply in UK too, meaning you can get points and be taken off the road if necessary.
What car doe's she drive ? – maybe that should be a limiting factor
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