The Clough Hall Story visiting the areas from Kidsgrove the Bygone Days Musical

This is the 9th of the series from Kidsgrove the musical , In this Video we talk about the Clough Hall estate . A lot of research has been done to provide you the best information on the history of our area.

If you are interested in local history of Kidsgrove then this is the video for you, We also have a special guest appearance from the 80’s.

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0:00 Introduction and recap
0:37 update from part one
15:32 The avenue
22:38 Boathorse Road
29:16 Bathpool
31:35 Clough Hall Road
34:18 Leg O’Mutton
37:00 A34
41:19 Kinnersley avenue
43:54 Clough Hall Road
50:59 The Clough hall

those were the [Music] times those were the way so take me back we’re here again Dave and uh today to film our ninth documentary but I think just before we uh do go and do that we’ve got some feedback we need to uh just talk about on the last one we did can you tell me about that yeah feedback still coming in if I’m honest with you but it’s all positive been pulled up on one or two things which is what we wanted which what we wanted us uh lady the only other day in the last um documentary we’re on Queen Street and what we actually said was the doctors was number one on the left which is it in the Memoirs it does say I actually checked it but it was actually on the right hand side it was number two right it was it was number two so um thanks for that feedback on that one I put that one right as well so quick update then I’ve been sent photos of but Lane and S I’ve got more photos coming in of but Lane and S because we’ll be doing but Lane and talk walk around the streets of but Lane in probably about six or seven weeks uh so that’s great I’ve got a couple of new pictures from Atwood Street that we didn’t show last week these are Martin Hon’s pictures and you can see these on the screen now in front of you and they do look really interesting yeah I’ve not seen them before um could SC past some pictures but I must have missed them um Silver Jubilee at the end when we played the music and we showed about half a dozen photos at the very end of the last video there’s a picture there of Vine Bank Road and it was a jubilee celebrations 1977 I had two people say can you send me that photo I’m on that photograph so again this is the picture if anybody needs it just drop me a message with an email or with a Facebook Messenger account um and we’ll I’ll send them over to you and that applies to any of these photographs as long as I’ve had permission which I’ve had permission from 99% of these photos if you need them send in I will send them to you um I’ve got another request Green Lane um outside the crown and thistle where there’s about 10 ladies and about five or six kids um I know every single one of those ladies and children now so if anybody need needs that this is the photograph it’s got numbers on drop me a message um and I can’t have it um next up I put the peel out last week we’re doing the miners estate in around about three weeks and that is going to be really really sort of relaxed once say Min is EST State we’ve done pre-demolition the old kids Grove we’re moving over King Street and doing all of that site right up to gler Road right up to uh William Road G bank so be going through those um I’ve I asked for volunteers to come in sit here at the Masonic quite informal quite relaxed I’ve probably got over a 100 photographs of that estate a lot of characters from the estate lots of pictures from the gallery and the gallery opened it 19 in 1966 so if anybody fances it coming in relaxed having a drink going through these photographs we will a couple of us will have a walk around the streets of the miners um at the same time but if you’re interested let me know they’ve been good fun for us so far so give it a go um Val mentioned Pig clubs and the response on Pig clubs in World War War II was unbelievable um I’ve never even heard of pig clubs and when I mentioned that there was that pig that was in the um in the air AG shelter oh I remember you saying that on wedley Street um Val knew there was a pig and she mentioned at Pig Club I’ve had quite a bit of feedback so when we do the Warriors which is probably in July I’ll bring in more information on the pig clubs about that yeah and what they were but here’s that picture that Val dug out just to remind you so that’s on the screen now um then we’ve got Fe back from oh more pictures on Mount Pleasant that was the um coronation 1952 um I’ve got names and frames of all those people on that or the majority of the families and questions on tenro Where was tenro the picture we put on was quite deceiving and I must admit originally I thought tenro was the terrist houses directly be below the town hall that ran down to where the old dentist well the dentist is now that’s not ten row and I realized that when we were doing the documentary ten row was off those you came down by the um toilets to where those ter stes are I just spoke about and then there’s an Alleyway that went up and here’s a picture a better picture on the screen of what I’m talking about and that’s where ten was that’s where tenro was and the actual handrail which somebody pointed out on kid go p and pictures is actually still there they got you those steps yeah right um okay so that’s a quick update we’re halfway through now the documentaries yeah the cameraman thinking oh god um yeah we’ve done eight so far nine so eight so far um I’ve counted up and you know we’ve still got but Lan s we’ve still got mop to do um we’ve we’ve still got the Warriors which I’ve just said we’ve still got the miners we’ still got schools so there’s still around about another eight to do we’ve got pubs part three as well yeah so you know that’s what we’ll be working on over the next six months for sure so all these documentaries have done really really well as Wellen we’ we’ve got some tremendous views numbers are are piling up you know the the musical itself which okay is 2 hours 50 minutes um that’s had over 2,400 views now that’s been absolutely fabulous to be on 2 hours 15 minutes yeah and the feedback again this week we mentioned the international feedback we’ve had you’ll see on kids great p and pictures we’ve had thanks from New Zealand Canada again Australia um and we were talking to a guy yesterday and those on kids passing pictures will have seen the requests for photos of but Lane I’m working on that and talking to the guys in o on that front so yeah response brilliant so we’re not just looking here we’re looking all around the world with all these views aren’t we as well yeah we sending I’m sending photos I bet I’m sending out at least 10 photos or presentations every other day every other day I must be I must be that’s where we are that’s where we’re up to we’ve got all to do this morning I’m getting excited now oh you’ve not been this side of the camera no CU I’m I’m always filming normally but today I’m here and so I’ve got a question for you now well what are we going to do today okay we’re doing the cluff all story cluff all story the story of clu all um yeah so we’ll be going on the on foot in a second well we’ll be walking along the a Avenue initially okay okay so for for today we’ve got a special guest and I’d like to welcome I’m sure 90% of you know this gentleman Mr Dave swindles good to meet you Dave and you would you like to introduce certainly yeah well I was born in uh B Bamber street but Lane and that’s where I lived for the first 15 years of my life I then moved to bour Road kids Grove number 11 where I lived until I was 27 and got married I attended regel Mitchell Junior School from I think I I’m not sure on this be probably about 1958 until 1963 when we went down to the new comprehensive school at kidsgrove where I stayed until I was 15 15 years of age I got an apprenticeship at English electric at kids Grove uh and I stayed there until I was 22 years of age when I joined the post office which now we call BT uh outside of that I was a young wolf Club in krove from 1960 and from a young wolf Club I became a scout uh Adventure Scout young scout leader scout leader and then now I’m class as the Assistant Scout I and Assistant Scout leader and now at the age of 71 I’m still scouting in kids groove brilliant absolutely and what we will be doing Dave we’ll touch on the scouts today today when we walk past there but what we will be doing we we’re looking at groups and kids Grove and we’ got the scouts already pen in we got the rotary we having a look at the Masons we’re having in a look at so there are a number of groups so we will ask one or two questions when we get down there but don’t worry we will be opening up yeah um but yeah so I as Dave I asked for volunteers they volunteered to come along with us which is great um and certainly when I’ve seen your posts on the Avenue your knowledge of the Avenue especially jumped out at me um I saw some of many comments and we’ll talk about some of the comments and we go along there there’s a lot down there I I as I said to Val and Pat last week I’ve done my research I’ve been researching for a couple of years now some of the information I get from one source is different to the next as you can imagine but this is what this is about if I’ve got it wrong you must tell me and again everybody home if I got it wrong just send me a message that’s great we can just put it right which is what it’s all about okay give you a bit of background on the C all story then I’m not going to go through absolutely everything otherwise we’d be here all day um but certainly if you if anybody has got Philip Lees latest book the history kids Grove up to the year 2000 Philip goes into a lot of detail pre 1800 what the research and what the work we’re going to be doing today is probably from the 70s 50s right through to present day okay so the very first building I said we’re not going to go back to further than 1750 the first actual building on CL 4 was built in the 1400s by a guy named johnley and it’s on the site of where the fall that we we talking about today that was demolished mid 17th century um another house was built um it was then owned by the onings and it passed from Pillar To Post up until when he died and then once the tunnels work started in the 70s 1770 1772 76 um Cole was getting the demand for coal was getting bigger and bigger and bigger and I’ve mentioned in previous um documentaries a guy named Gilbert and Gilbert was probably the man responsible for finding M mining industry in the kids Grove area and promoting it um so he actually went and bought and this is John Gilbert senior he went and bought the actual um house the farmouse as it was right but what he did then he went and demolished that himself and built the hall that we know today early 1800s he actually built built the hole that we know today um I said last week Gilbert was responsible for most of the Cottages in kid Row the old Cottages um which includes 12 row which include 10 row which include long row all the all the rows we talked about yesterday and there were 122 and talk so he was that guy that was responsible he actually died shortly after he died in 1812 and what happened after a couple of years Thomas kennersley the first well John Gilbert the first John Gilbert the second Thomas kennersley the first went and bought the estate it took a couple of years to settle down but then kennersley virtually took over the entire C State the estate in size was 434 Acres goodness yeah yeah um and kennersley well when we walk along we’ll learn more about kennersley but without kennersley certainly we wouldn’t be the the town that we are today he was a man of the people um he employed thousands but again I’ll say that so we walking along there okay what happened in after kennersley died though um in the in the 50s 1855 his wife uh died shortly afterwards the estate was left to his um niece Atwood after Atwood Street that we talked last week and then it was eventually sold to the this Consortium from Manchester who saw the how the train system were in kids Grove it and what had been built was the opportunity to open a park that was the biggest in the UK and that was at Sunny clal so that is what we’re going to have a really good look at today as I touched on last week 30,000 people every week every weekend every Saturday tuning up at kall to watch shows and all sorts again I’ll talk about them but I’ve rambled off on enough let’s we don’t need coats on today but let’s pack up and let’s hit the road now we have our very own Old City Towers or you could say it bit like the glasson it’s dead now believe it or not over 30,000 people will attend up Alle land most weekends it would extend from where King school is now down the bath pool from B P to talk pits talk pits to but L yes we had boat and lakes the best fun faes of their day we all we also had a from the bar and Bailey Circus alongside the legendary blonde were the original there was a small school here which you’ve got some photographs off which are very very interesting here are the photos on the screen now and then when this school was built uh my mother was up at Ken keny up at keny school uh uh when the school opened uh which I presume was sometime in the 1920s I don’t know if there a mark on it somewhere I’m not sure yeah I’ve got the dates uh she moved down here before before going to the uh senior girl school so I think she was here till she were about 12 yeah and then the senior school girl uh school opened second want yeah uh and we moved to there yeah okay I’m not obviously wave Memorial here on the screen I’m sure some of my friends are going to kill me for this is a picture of some of the students in 1981 1981 stood outside W Memorial so I don’t think they’ll thank me for that you were on the no I wasn’t right I wouldn’t do that we got kersley Memorial which is up before the fire opposite 12 rool Road um then obviously we got St Thomas’s St Thomas’s church I’ve got pictures here of St Thomas’s church back in the day well you see at the top of the the top they walk to the top of the church because those castellations on the top on the early photos look completely different and so what went on and why was why it was altered at the top I don’t know cuz it must have cost quite a bit of money to to alter it whether it was a safety feature don’t know I don’t know i’ I’ve got pictures of this I’ve got pictures of this covered in Ivy and here’s pictures yes of how it actually looked right um back in the day so um yeah Thomas kersley built Wade Memorial after Reverend Wade yeah Reverend Wade was somebody that kennersley brought in during his time part of the state to connect to connect with the people of kids growth he was that focused on bringing the up the lives of the people that kids grave and he brought brought in Reverend Wade and that was named after the Wade Memorial right okay right the gardens we’re covering this in the Warriors but what I want to do now don’t go across if you can just look at those Gates yes the those Gates if you if you can make sure we got those Gates on Glenn yeah and it’s the two pillars I’m all worried about cuz those two pillars are quite significant correct yeah so there’s the gates have a look at at this photograph which is a photograph of Lodge one which is north Lodge which is on the corner we’re going to have a look us at in a second those pillars are exactly the same pillars and Gates that were on Lodge one as you can see from this picture okay okay we’ll move along now on my left we’ve got five or six houres big attached houses um that weren’t here 50 years ago no that they they were built in the the back Garden of what was now the vicarage the old vicarage yeah which was a a beautiful design property again it was I I can’t remember it as a young child but I can remember it in its latter years when it was starting to crumble yeah uh and the Vickers had moved out uh Comm remember VI name no I can’t Yates right his name is y well yes the the the Memoirs that I read and refer to Memoirs because when you go into the library there’s loads of files with people’s Memoirs from the 1900s the 1930s and I spent a lot of time looking into them reading them um and some of the information is absolutely amazing but yeah you spot on none of these houses existed the vicarage itself the old vicarage probably come was somewhere here yeah back here and the rest of it was Gardens Gardens that’s right and they used to have it uh Sunday school parties Garden parties well if most most uh people who got married at SS’s church had the wedding photographs taken this side the church on the launch yeah uh uh and I’ve I’ve seen numerous photographs of uh the churches a backdrop to all the phot all the wedding photographs yeah yeah uh probably C certainly from uh the N 1930s up until uh the 1960s yeah yeah that’s um it’s really and that matches with what people have said and what I’ve read um so yeah the victorage it looked beautiful on these pictures here’s a couple more pictures of the vicy yeah you can see on the screen it’s it really is good right so we come to here there’s a few observations before we have a look at North Lodge which is lodge number one quick look up bour Lane so boor Lane we’ll start on this Cory whose house was originally this Dr fre Dr fre Dr fre yeah so there’s nothing else all Gardens Dr fre Dr FS again he the from I only ever went there once uh due to an accident at the Scout headquarters uh and it’s a very strange thing that that time time moves on but the lad I brought to Dr fr’s I knocked at the door and Dr fr’s wife answer the door I said I’ve got one of his Scouts he cut his head open she said we can’t deal with it here can you take him up to the surgery now the surgy was on the car park in Market Street right so she shut the door we came back down and we went down there the strange thing is that that young boy now is the doctor for scholar green right it’s years later but it was up basically up the same drive there but the house was tooked behind here yeah and that’s that’s long gone demolished and the nursing home was built I don’t even know if it’s a nursing home anymore it’s some some specialized we look up we look up bour bour road yeah we got the tat company along there on the left side okay which is now po estate yeah we’re not going to look at that in any more detail few bits and Bobs here this was the entrance wasn’t it the entrance was here to the park yeah so we’ got pictures of the entrance to the park but what you also want you to do if you can come over this side where we are and just take take the video of down the Avenue there from this point to to where those cars are now as far as you can get I’ve got pictures taken in the early 1900s that show exactly the same place photographs were taken and it looks gorgeous it looks Absol with the with the pole trees yeah and you can you can actually see it you can actually see it on these photographs so I think where we are standing now is is one of the large Gates yeah right here yeah it was it was because you can actually see you can see the the house right behind it and the the other part where the garage is now yeah um and what you got Andrew Marlo friend of mine he actually worked on the renovation of this right and he said it’s one of the most gorgeous jobs projects he’s ever had but it is absolutely spectacular in my younger years it was just derel yeah deric deric and he pictures of it he two or three pitches how bad it actually ISS and how they’ve restored it is just like Fant it’s just beautiful but this was we’ll call it Lodge one this was North Lodge right okay I want to take one more look at this little cresant here before we move down to Bath poool we got the chapel on our left here which was the Hancock memorial memorial yes yeah Chapel um which obviously sadly sadly gone now what is going to become Flats I don’t know but we all going to lose that and then directly behind you GL is that cresant you can actually walk in or you would should have been able to walk in I can’t remember I can’t remember that as a walk in as a youngster yeah it was more of a wide color bumo yeah know it was it looked like somebody on the council had the idea it was originally a quarry right it’s in the early 1900s that was a quarry and the I I believe they quarried um they they quarried the rocks to build the Avenue oh right yeah to help them with the Avenue but after the after they finished they did a bit of renovation to it and I think the plan was we’ll turn it into something a little bit special yes you you could in the 80s sit around it that’s right there a shelf around it and there is the a seat in there so something was planned but obviously that was put on the back back B yeah okay we’ll walk back down here and I’ve got one thing more to look at and it’s a bit of a puzzle and there’s a clue in the name I said it’s a bit of a puzzle puzzle wood yeah puzzle wood or is it puzzle Gardens puzzle Gardens really yes it depends your Sweety I always thought it was puzzle wood yeah puzzle St puzzle Gardens when I was growing up yeah but Glenn if you can just pick up the wood behind us yeah that is known as puzzle guard or puzzle Ward to some people um how it’s got its name puzzle Ward um there’s a debate going on like like there always is um there’s always talk of a of a monkey puzzle tree right and the wayd monkey puzzle Tre is in there um reports two years ago said that they’d all been chopped down right um there’s one left right there’s one left I went there yesterday and it’s still there still there um and you can access it from where the Bowling Club is at the top yes you just walk in that Alleyway off clo Road go down 20 yards on your left MH look up and you can see it there it is still there well I’ve never seen that actually yeah it is there um but the other puzzle I can remember you can remember the there was Roy dandrum bushes yeah I’ve read in two places about a maze and the Maze was made up of these bushes andrum so puzzle could refer to a maze and I’ve seen it on one of the old drawings it referred to maze or it could refer to the monkey puzzle monke puzzle trees but either way both are good stories stories yeah and the road DS will probably be out in another few weeks I was I was shocked when went up there because literally underneath the monkey puzzle tree are loads of bushes bushes so you would come down when we talk about estate the estate went all the way back up to West mland Avenue right up all the way back it was acres and acres and Acres because you got remember no houses there no and that’s what it was but in 1902 there’s another puzzle here um during when the um Pride of the potes the park was open there was a murder here right um it was on a day where there had been a demonstration from all the miners and it was quite well attended thousands of people attended it was quite a Rowdy event um what actually happened there was a guy named William Smith Bill Smith who was who met a girl at the bar as you do he was having a few drinks with her um bill was married I think she was married I think she was a performer and she was living in Hanley right offered to escort her down to the trade station one of the stations yeah as they came through here um apparently Bill Smith was attacked by three men allegedly right but ber of Peters the girl he got his arm round before he was attacked and killed um said that she’ passed out and when she comes to all she can remembers Three Men and him lying there dead right so there was insufficient evid to prosecute berther and that case was never solved oh so some people say that led to the downfall cuz a couple of years later um the park actually closed but there was a murder on this corner so yeah there we go Okay so we’ve come down to bathpool park which was Again part of the estate um part of the the park itself in the distance there you can actually see bath poool Lake yeah bath pool itself what you got down the very far end you got a pool that is a second pool the pool itself in total was reduced by a third and on these pictures here now you can actually see how big these are right how big the pool actually was yeah the pool itself used to have paddle Steamers on it used to have uh swimming gallers it used to have little um uh K boats um with the guys with the bloody TR straw hats right who were paddling their Maids around around the lake it was absolutely fantastic and here on this you can actually see this picture again I’ll put this picture up again you can Circle there you can actually see that the The Jetty where all these were kept it was honestly something special but as we go to if we turn and if we were to look over this side okay we can’t see it down here we also had Nelson pool right yeah okay yeah so we had Nelson pool behind Nelson pool we had Nelson Cy yes a lot of my friends who lived on this estate cuz I’m from the CL All State we remember um right by the bottom end of where the bands used to practice yeah on the slab on the slab yeah the bands used to practice on the slab we used to watch the band’s practice when I was a teenager yes and what we called was n’s bank and I never realized that n’s Bank was Nelson’s bank right and I didn’t and somebody asked me a couple of days ago what’s connection with Nelson’s what is it well the connection with Nelson is Gilbert family were big admirers of Rao n yeah who died at Trafalga in 1805 so they made a lot of tributes nanal n Nelson buildings and that’s what Gilbert actually did in appreciation for what Lely didn’t know that hey we’re here at kle Park this in the day at the time of Pride of the potteries kall state this was known as lower Meadows so the um house the hall was at the top top of the road there on the corner we’ll show you in a second where that was okay I’ll show you in a second but you’ve got to imagine this it wasn’t just this big it went all the way around there were no houses no it was massive and if I tell you some of the things that actually took place here and I’ll show you some maps as we actually go so we got Athletics track we got a race course we got a golf course we got a cycling track we got archery we’ got Cricket Co Cricket pitch we’ve got lawn tennis we’ve got cro unbelievable amount of sports actually took place here in this park this park yeah when we get to the club a little bit later we’ll revisit the park right and I’ll show you some of the detail exactly where things were because when this is really dry um Craig enel pointed out you’ll be able to see the um cycling track in the Athletics track the patches go really dark as in this picture here on the screen okay and the track ran all the way around there now we’ just been mentioning the tree behind us and here’s a picture of the tree and it’s tday which I think everybody who grew up around here has got fun memories of either sitting under that tree in the summer watching The Crickets Sheltering under that tree well it’s a it’s a bit like the second world Gap tree really exactly yeah it I mean every child certainly from the 50s used to sit under this second Tre yeah and and and when it was cut down I think the majority of people in kids group were really sad about it devastated really sad sad devastated the question that’s asked is why was that the only tree there well the explanation that I’ve got that I I’ve seen in several sort of Memoirs and reports was the fact that the track the cycling track came much later in the Athletics track than the rest of the activities and what actually happened was that tree stood alone that was just originally a mound if you remember it didn’t it didn’t extend there so what they did they went around the tree so it gave it a feature so around the park back around here so that was a feature of the cycling track and that actually that holds a bit of weight with me yeah I can actually see that yeah but we’ll come back to this a bit later when we get to the CL okay we’re here at the bottom of Carriage Drive as we we called it at school um and this is Lodge Number Two we’ll call it for today um and this was hollingwood Lodge okay so we we no B Lodge is still there which was North Lodge this is hollingwood Lodge this has recently been taken over it’s been fully upgrad graded with pods on the land at the back but this track in the day would have led up to the top of the 834 where there are two more lodges which we’re going to have a quick look at in a few minutes I’ve got memories of this cuz I I’m from kall West mland Avenue which is just over the hill there um I can I can remember I think Mr Amos used to live here right was he a counselor yeah he was he was he was counselor and Mr Amos and he used to have like um I would say the budgies because I think they used to like have like an Avery at the back right yeah um with parrots and everything else I I distinctly remember that I’ve got a picture here of of a John Clair painting now John Hooper posted this up and this painting is absolutely gorgeous it’s looking down from uh from The Carriage Drive looking at this so I have a look at this painting and that’s John Hooper’s probably go on his wall it’s an actual painting of him okay so we’ll walk down so we we covered all Inwood L we’ll pick up the that WG mutton Le mutton Lake’s just up there few hundred yards up that pathway and then this one’s called what oh I don’t know right I’ve not caught you out Dave no you have I did know I just know it as a little pool little leg right know it it has got let us know it has got a name though right a lovely little pool with this is the only place I ever came fishing I only ever came fishing once and I didn’t catch anything uh it wasn’t my rod it was with the gang the Taylor twins who you probably know yeah Brian Michael yeah yeah they were all big mes Brian Brian always talks about you always always talks about you lodge number three as we’ll call it today lodge number three was just it here right okay but they demolished lodge number three good so people think there was actually only four lodges there wasn’t there was actually six could so this is one of The Lodges that have actually disappeared it was on the junction uh well towards the end of beach where Beach Drive meets Park Lane so just down this pathway here was another Lodge right it’s long gone now is that similar to the one yeah similar to that right all The Lodges are very much similar except North Lodge born cottage which is just totally yeah spectacular yeah okay we’re here at South lodge this is south lodge on the a34 you can probably hear how loud it is um Dave is joining us he’s on his way uh Dave swindles is on his way but this is south lodge it looks absolutely amazing it really does across the way 10 foot across the way we have we’ve got Jasmine Lodge there as well you’ll see a few photos of how this looted a 100 years ago in a couple of minutes um but I was talking to Dave swindles and what we’ve actually got is behind um south lodge I’m talking 30 years ago 40 years ago now maybe 50 was the lodge Cafe and here are a p few pictures of the lodge CF of Loda and anybody who can remember Loda is it’s got so many memories for so many people Lodge CF where these two houses are in the background that’s where it was we used to come here after a session in brennin in the early 1980s for the fry UPS many memories of LOD you got the pinball machine you got the fruit machine you got the Juke Box um you’ve got the massive pot pots of tea um you’ve got the Manley in the 50s 60s you got the Fours Who I think were related to the Manley um who came afterwards I think you got Carol with the Stables behind Lodge Cafe as well as part of that so so many good memories of Lodge Cafe but we’re here we’re at South lodge we’ve got Jasmine Lodge across the way um but seriously good me memories of this area these are the two lodges okay we’ll talk about number six Lodge very very shortly so we just done south lodge which is literally 10t that way we just talked about that number five is Jasmine Lodge and Behind These bushes is Jasmine Lodge okay these two sat at the top of Cl all drive or carage drive as you actually called it I’ve got pictures of Jasmine now how it is behind this Edge and I’ve got pictures of Jasmine in the early 1900s so here you can see those his pictures of south lodge from the early 1900s as well yeah so you can actually see these what they look like and what we’ve got now what we’ve got here what we’ve got here what this looks like is one of the old posts um when we get back when we get back I’ll check to see on on the pictures that we’ve got if this is one of the posts but it looks as though this post is actually falling off somewhere what’s interested on here is you’ve got fixings for Gates on that side but you’ve also got fixings for Gates on this side so whether this was a a cent yeah center pillar and there was a gate a gate pillar oh a gate to a pillar what we’ll do when we back get back to the C I’ll bring the photos up and then we can update people there on those but yeah two two great lodges still here um yeah that’s number five rice number six lodge number six Lodge and this is where I’ve only read this in three or four places but the sources are good and one of them is Philip Le’s boot yes is that there was a six Lodge on the High Street at Tor pits but when this road was put in when the not as in the tat Road no when the road was put in to make life easier instead of people traveling all over Tor pits there was a lodge on the corner of High Street in St Martin’s road right I don’t know the name but we haven’t done Tor pits yet no so when I do talk pits with the guys what we’ll do we’ll have a look and see if we can find where that sixth Lodge was but if anybody knows who’s watching give us a shout comments we’ll drop me a message yeah okay we’re here at one of the Cottages um which is on the estate one of the main questions you’ve got is which Cottage that’s quite often asked you know when we pulled up what what did you say it was the gard’s Cottage Cottage it is called Garden Cottage it’s also been called The Butler Cottage it’s also been called the poachers the gamekeepers cottage um so I’d love find out what exactly was it was somebody who ated on the estate anyway and it used to be used to be one building now it’s two the lake the lake is just behind clal lake is just behind this when we get to the bottom of the road bottom of kennersley there that’s where the main hall was go and have a look at that right at the bottom of this road but there were probably at least four or five different Cottages around the area but this is the only one that I’ve been able to identify was here cuz it’s still here and it’s beautiful absolutely beautiful lovely I’ve got a story about this Cottage this Cottage in particular because a friend of mine actually owned this Cottage named doggy vials and many people I know dogy many people know doggie and we we actually looked at purchasing it at one point when douie was moving out and we spent a few hours having a couple of drinks talking about and inside is just beautiful it’s on different levels it is fantastic um but douie was telling us a story um whereby he was putting in a brand new floor in this room on the right here putting in a brand new floor and he was taking the old one up and he was banging whether it was o or whatever he was using that Amor then all of a sudden the Amor went through went straight through and after a couple of seconds it landed and dogy thought what is this then Dougie then discovered that there was a Sally down there and Behind These bushes here now there are skylights right underneath there is a Sally and within the Sally there are stairs that from in the kitchen that they discovered that go down Stone stairs into the Sally what douggy thought it was what it looks like and I’ve been down there was actually where all the game was hung yes so like a CO sto yeah yeah and that’s exactly doggy turned it into a pad where he could go down there soundproof his manave yeah have a few beers yeah um but it is beautiful so Dougies always thought to me that it was the gamekeepers yeah the gamekeeper if somebody can tell us yeah garders Butlers whatever whatever absolutely gorgeous yeah well we’re on C Road just past kennersley we got kers there we got the cluff all Pub a little bit lower down but here we are standing where we believe the clu ho was situated right okay there are four houres there on clal road that set back yes and when you look at all the plans that we’ve got and people have put forward and here are some examples you can see you can actually see that the building is sort of facing around about 10 10 to the hour so maybe towards that end those end two that set back where the where the green garage is yeah towards there and that this Hall would look down onto The Meadows lower Meadows which includes the park it’s quite offset against the the lake cuz the lake is just down on the left by theall Pub okay so we know it’s pretty much in this area and when you look at all these houses all these houses are in row except these four any idea is why no okay it’s because underneath with the wine salers right with the sales I’ve heard people say sales I’ve heard people say foundations I’ve seen plans that show wine salad but also could have been food salads right yes but that that’s why that’s why because of the foundations they built those for set back yes right the the other good thing about this we talked about the monkey puzzle tree we yes and and uh puzzle Gardens that monkey monkey puzzle tree is directly behind this house front of me yes it’s it’s directly behind there just behind the big trees and that’s exactly where that monkey puzzle tree is right you can access the monkey puzzle tree and the Roadie dandrum that if you just look where the bowling alley is you can see the sign with Bowling Green there where the white wall is just go down there turn to the left the pathway takes you down to Bourne Cottage takes you down to North Cottage and you will walk past the monkey puzzle tree and the Roadie Dum oh that would be great so all all those people all those people who actually said the all gone they’ve all been shut down it’s there still one left it’s there today so do not fear do not fear yeah me to give people an idea of how big the park was we’ve already said that it was 434 Acres yes the fencing that surrounded the p Park that basically stopped people getting in mhm yeah was over 4 miles in length goodness gracious and they were called Cali boards yes um Cali board um is a piture the Cali boards went all around down to but Lane up to talk and they stopped people six foot high two foot three foot of Barbe barb wire on top of those um and they they were what protected as well as the gates where people The Lodges where people paid in but if you can imagine these no houses here no all the way up to the ski Center nothing at all yeah this was one straight road field up here and what they got up here what they actually got up here was the roller coaster right okay oh right was that a wooden structure yeah and we see can see a couple here right and they call them switchbacks yes they called switchbacks in the day but you can see the length of them here but when but when we go back to the cloth when we go back to the cloth I’ll show you some of the areas whereby the full fun fair was yes the tight RPP over the lake and O other themes and stages and you’ll get to see and think my God this is far bigger than or S yeah okay we’re here on the corner of kennersley and clu Hall and behind us is this beautiful house um belongs to a school friend of mine um Julie mchu and her husband um but this house is quite significant cuz this house belonged to pool right and it was pool who was responsible for building this entire estate part of the demolition of the um the main hall yeah stting 1926 finished 1927 or there thereabouts pool actually operated from here right yeah um the number of objects within the house that PO they still there to this day right um so yeah he is responsible something that you’ll notice that’s very good you’ll notice it up Park Avenue you’ll notice it up clo Road you’ll notice the fact that if you look across the road and look at all these bricks yeah yeah and you look across across the road there four Road yes all were those bricks the same Stone exactly the same Stone yes and those stones were taken from the demolition of the main hall right you’ll see them all the way up up Park Park Avenue kennersley Avenue and cl already yeah and that’s what they actually did let’s go and have a quick look cuz there’s a couple of things in there I like show you right so let’s go a look very interesting well it’s a lovely size house isn’t it yeah yeah yeah okay so we we’ve come to the one of the gardens within um clal house as it’s known now where pool actually lived this used to extend right down to the cluff so the where these two houses are that was all Orchards at one point right they went straight down to the cluff or lake in the corner and the clor pubit atual South um inside here all the original panels from the hall right with are oh my goodness in their lounge and what Julie’s going to do she’s going to send me some photographs of The Originals it’s some of it’s been painted she says but the some of the originals she’s got on on photographs she’ll send them and we’ll show them hope part of this what you can see here I’m some roof Roofing work done but as you can see here this is one of the old one of the old seats from the gardens right of the main hall and unfortunately Julie and Mike of Mick have been able to retain this yes and so they’ve got quite a bit of History within I’ll just have a seat yeah see I think in the the Gard think of some of the famous people that may have sat there yeah all the people from krove 15 years ago all over the world you got all those artists you got blond in you got all the superstars of the world baram and baile have all been guests here at at the main hall when it was a main hall yeah yeah see if you’ve left a few of still yeah yeah okay let’s have a Wonder around to the club [Music] [Music] okay um we’re coming to the end of this episode um as P usual We’ve Ended up in a boozer this one got to be done this one’s clle Hotel um well called the clu hall now it used to be the clu Hall Hotel um fantastic beer garden um two fantastic pods in inside again run by really good people beautiful inside PL space for the kids backs onto the lake got quite a bit of History itself this place has okay but let’s let’s just have a recap because we’ve got quite a bit in today um we focus really from Gilbert Gilbert was the first guy that actually bought the house um the main estate uh 1812 uh he passed away sold on 1814 to kennersley and that’s where it all began okay so we we’ve looked at that then we’ve Lo and walk down the Avenue we’ve picked up a number of things that were kennersley was responsible for such as St Thomases which actually his wife designed and his his wife actually designed St Thomases we’ve come all along there Wade Memorial Etc we’ve been to see the loggies and we now know we think was six yes there’s only one 2 3 four Still Standing um and the two especially up on uh the A3 for L fantastic they’re obviously renovating the one hollingwood Lodge Lodge just on the at the top of Park Avenue and then we’ve obviously got gorgeous born Cottage that’s right beautiful place okay we’ve had a look at the estate and I I still think that people don’t really appreciate how big this was you know the 434 Acres I talked to you about um and when I talk very very shortly about what was on all of this land then you you start to get a feel for it we’ve already spoken about lower Meadows which is kall Park and all the activ activities that took place on there but in a couple of minutes I’m going to tell you about some of the the main attractions where International artists from all over the world would come and perform okay we we we’ve just walked up to kennersley and clal where we believe with all the documents we’ve got where the where the actual Hall was positioned and where it looked at that 10 to 10 down to lower Meadows not directly down here but down to lower Meadows on the picture in front of you you can see it’s circled in red to the right you can see the Bowling Green and that Bowling Green has been there for years as long as a whole and it’s still there it’s still there it’s a lovely lovely spot yeah you can see all the outer buildings hatched you can see band stands there’s fountains there’s two band stands on there tennis courts fountains you can see the boat house and Landing stage on the left where the blue and blue arrow is with number two on you got Landing stage one and then you’ve got the boat house at the far end where it says boat house here and we’ll Circle these for you you can see some buildings that are hatched um and those we believe were green houses right because it they used to sell plants and flowers here and they look very much like the GRE houses and glass which several people have mentioned um we’ve got a lot going on there if you look at the bottom right hand corner I talked about the the roller coaster yes remember yeah yes and you can just see the word switch which was Circle here right and that’s the one that went all the way up clal now these out buildings some of these were for artists to perform so I think I mentioned earlier down CL fall there was two dance floors one indoors one Outdoors the outdoors one could hold 1,000 couple couples that’s 2,000 people that’s a lot of people in it and so could the indor yeah yeah in addition to that there were theaters stage theaters that held up to three to 5,000 people they were Outdoors yeah they were Outdoors they stuggy when you think and the amount of uh activities and amount of people that were here yeah on a weekend basis say you just can’t believe how many people that have been around can you no and when you we start to talk about some of the acts you’ll understand why 30 odd thousand every Saturday would turn up in sunny sunny CL fall from all over the country right you yes okay here are a few more pictures this one shows where Park Avenue is it shows CL all road again it’s a different uh map but that’s got the ction of where the hall was and outter buildings again it looks exactly the same as the last one it’s from a different source so we know we’re in the right area when you look at this one this is split screen this shows First Avenue clo Park fifth a an up toate one aerial view uh on the right hand side on the left hand side you can see exactly how it was in the center you’ve got the athletic ground and the athletic ground around around the outside and you can see the stump yes see the stump there we we’ll Circle these darl the stump there that’s where the tree was the tree was and that’s exactly where I suggested they probably did that on purpose to go to go around to go around but you can imagine when we say how you know somebody says how can you get all that activity in a park it wasn’t just this wasn’t the cuffle park as we know there’s nothing else about there’s no land all you got there in top right hand corner was Daisy Bank Farm yes there was so so much space okay so we’ll go back to the pride the pride of the potteries which we’ll focus on that and some of the acts International acts that appeared here but also some of the other activity that was here along with the dance and everything else um it ran from 1890 to R about 1904 but officially closed in 1906 they said that the the um Syndicate that actually bought it got into financial trouble um and that’s why it actually went under went bankrupt um some people say it was down to the murder of Bill Smith William Smith at the bottom of the born Cottage there um but who knows but let’s talk about things it had a fair ground and I mean a fair ground the fair ground itself was if you look at the lake here the fairground was right at the bottom of the lake so right up towards the end of Park Drive on that area and this this Fairground had carousels it had wheel ites it had swings right swing boats swing boats um you know it wasn’t a small huge was it it yeah it was huge um we had um oh up on there as well and you got a captive balloon rides right so a captive balloon ride where you could get in a balloon and have a in the balloon you could go up in the balloon and come down in the back down again yeah and we’ve got some pictures here of what captive it’s not the exact photograph from here but it similar it’s a very very same just a different balloon um got coconut shy got an aerial walkway an aerial walkway so where the tight rout Walkers would walk right so some of it would be go across the lake so International Superstar blonding Charles Blondy yes world renowned well he did he go across Niagara niag he did yeah H blondon appeared here probably three or four years right he was in his 60s when he appeared but he was still doing the business carrying people across from 70 foot high 7 foot high yeah that’s what he was doing he would have been carrying me and he was doing he was doing it blindfolded but blonding people say that 30,000 people turned up to see blonding cuz he was that big certainly towards the end of the 19th century um blondon I’ve mentioned dance floors I mentioned bars late into the night there’s a firework display every single night right to celebrate the end of another fantastic day that every single night every single night you know the neighbors complain currently about no one night a week one night a year here at CL fall that was every single night on the doorstep um there was theaters 3,000 CI theaters one of the most interesting ones and and me and the lads have covered this before is in around about 1892 un no it’s 1902 1902 what they did is actually bought the gondoliers you know the gonders from the state but what they did here they didn’t do it by halves six um 100 yards of canal were built on the sign it took 200 workmen 6 weeks to build to build it to build this artificial Canal there were 12 G gonders on it and 20 gonders were employed yeah and they ran a full stage performance that was packed every night and they got the idea and here are some of the pictures they got an idea from um a an event that happened in London at London Olympia the year prior that’s where the idea come from it came from here yes they built a Mur a mural 600 yards long and that’s that’s a long a long mural long way yeah and that mural represented what they said was Little Venice right and this is where the subjectivity comes in in relation to we when we were at norid we were covering norid and we’re covering Talk of the H pit disaster we showed that row of houses going down towards Dunkirk from the swan between the Swan and queen and here’s a picture circled what we talked about that is known as Little Venice yes Venice yeah yeah now there are two differences of why is it called Little Venice if anybody knows out there why but the two reasons I’m suggesting it’s called Little Venice was one all of the workers who were working on that performance not the stage players the workers who built it were put up in Little Venice right and because that mural because that mural Lo like Little Venice yes that that’s why it was named named that’s option number one to think about the second one is that all the actors actresses gonders because it was a full Stage production that went about five 5 hours um and I’ve actually got on the screen here is an example of the running order started at midaf afternoon running through till a another firew display at 10:00 at night um but they they said that’s where they put up all those actresses actress singers was Little Venice so those are the two theories that we’ve got and what I’ve picked up in all the research I’ve done if you got anything different let us know be parachute descents where they would go up jump out of parachute there’s a number of cases and in the cases I’ve read nobody got hurt but wind took one of them away ended up in The Gardens of the air Castle Pub the air Castle Hotel he went that far he went that far yeah but there’s one interesting because there’s a lady by the name of K kitty king internationally recognized and what she would do she would go up in a balloon on her own and so she would Ascend in the balloon mhm but then she would come down in the parachute so she’d have one person with it probably and she would come down in the parachute on one occasion here kitty got blown away and was found in Tor pits yeah yeah she was safe and she was all right they collected it and and they basically the The Squire gave out um Heath his name was the manager rewards for the first person that found her brought up bought to back alive she got a reward but what interested me I’ve always I tried find out where the Skylock Pub got its name right yeah you down yeah a balloon was called Skylock oh right I just wonder strange so when we do talk pits which we haven’t done yet we’ll have a good look at that one yeah you got victorina and here’s a picture of victorina the world’s strongest lady and she finished off her at by catching a cannon ball from about 50 yards times yeah and some pictures of victorina there my type of woman um in 1899 they tried to emulate the 18 the great exhibition of 1851 U where they had a great industrial exhibition um and it it it did attracts it attracted countries from all over the world so I’ve got Salon I’ve got China I’ve got Japan it with it got a realation feel they built temples on the estate St es of the god Shiva they bought real Asian Asian bazaars they actually built for this occasion um they even had ricka to transport guests across the estate the Switchback Railway the roller coaster again that was in full Full Throttle now which I mentioned um that went as it said right up towards uh West mland Avenue there were t- rooms flower shows and the Animals you got Bears here you got a monkey house you got camels you got other sacus animals you got exotic beards you name it that they were all here the CL cues it states were longer than Al SS um which to get in so that that was at The Lodges do we know how much you have to pay to get it it was as cheap as chips in the day because they wanted the volume yes I have got the figures and for the next one I’ll bring the figures I’ve got a feeling it’s five something not Shilling for a child and 10 or 12 for an adult but I will find out yeah I have got that information um so yeah yeah there’s there’s lots that took place there I mentioned the Moody down at Bourn Cottage or North Lodge there was a a suicide in this Lake and she was a maid at the hall they said it was suicide oh because she found out that she was pregnant but rumor had it that it was potentially one of the the Gentry right yes and whether the question was it suicide was it murder I don’t know right no but you know few people have said very nervous out here late at night when the ghost is about I’ve got picture here of clu all laundry which we think opened after this closed in 19049 6 and we think it was one of the outer buildings but this pitch is fantastic club for laundry it employed 45 individuals and I’ve got the names on this picture I’ve got the names of all of these people people yeah from probably round about 1907 1908 the picture is um so yeah that probably disappeared similar time to when the hall was demolished which was 1927 may have started a little bit before that but I’ve got May the 28th 1927 as the date of when the hall was demolished up until that point julan closure and 1927 it was used um during the first world war as a refuge for Belgium all right so belgians would come over and the the theall yeah would uh Lodge those groups um yeah there CL for workers I’ve got names here Tom Booth Mrs Brooks Mrs anok K ha Mrs at me Eddie rhods Mrs Nappa Emma Baker George Dale there’s there’s quite a few there um but then you know what what happened then it went into the deric really um run down um and that was really it that was really it for it yeah but it made its mark on the UK the area did and cl all did and yes you know we’ve got the history that that still sit here today yeah there are a few other great photos I’ve got a picture of Cl Lake behind me we’ve we’ve seen we can see the lake now which is quite weedy I got a picture in 1950s look looks really nice and one about 198 and again still quite nice in in those days but the 50 pitchure does it looks it looks really really really nice and picturesque so yeah that’s that’s where we are okay we just come into an end now but there’s a a few bits and Bobs that been sent to me which which are fantastic I’ve had this set of glasses commemorative glasses sent to me you can see the picture here the lady who sent these to me wants to remain anonymous and I understand why but thank you so so much for showing us them because I’ve not seen them before had several sets of plates sent to me um and again there’s one and there’s another so when you’re get the charity Shops look out look out for these things um postcards you can see how big it was look at this this postcard from like around about 1900 this one you front and back there um the guy who runs um Paradise uh The Potter’s Facebook page um he actually bought one of these from eBay for2 post code and it came all the way from Newcastle upon sign um but yeah but again that that’s also a very very good uh Facebook group to join um po Potter um PR of the potteries um CL Hall um is it’s about 450 members but there may be photos on there that you’ve not seen before and yeah they give me permission to use those photos um so yeah postcodes but the big one the big one is the coin is a commemorative coin I finally got me hands on one it’s been loan to me and then there are pictures on the screen but this is a real one for you how heavy that is no yeah I think it’s made probably made out of put I think it’s really heavy some kind of some kind of alloy yeah to an alloy but it could I think it probably put so so toasty toasty from the railway you’ll be getting this back soon thank you mate thank you very very much given us that so yeah look out look out for those so we’re at the end of this one um been really good really enjoyed it Dave well thank you very much you need thank you very much it’s been really good it yeah yeah cheers Glen thanks to Daryl behind the scenes this week yeah he’s having a rest cuz he can’t talk which is probably a blessing no not really um so what we got coming up I mentioned earlier what we got coming up there’s about another eight episodes we’ll try and get this about the middle of next week we got quite a few edits to do on this one um but we’ll get it there um then probably two or 3 weeks we’ll have the next one up and Ronnie so my question is what we going do next have you have you thought have we any ideas I’m hopeful that we’re going to do we’ll get enough people together where we can actually look at the miners estate in the other half of kids gr miners going up to wimpy um as I said gluster Road and we but I want to do that set in the Masonic round the table yeah big screen looking at the photos looking at photos of locations befores and afters looking at some of the characters like I’ve said getting some of the the guys that are going to attend tell some stories about those characters I’ve got lots of information about The Galley lots of information regarding Galley football teams um sport in general as well so I think I’ve got two gents who’ve already volun so if we can get a couple of ladies who maybe born and breed on the G in the galley or old kids grow born and then moved over to the Posh glester road that would be fantastic so if anybody’s interested and Dave is quite relaxed and it’s certainly yes yeah anybody who’s willing to put put the name forward it’s a very enjoyable experience to come and uh walk around with these chaps yeah and we always end up in a pub which is good but a few more thank yous L Martin is is and a lot of the pictures you see today are Martin’s M Mo there’s a few of is elen wri everybody who providing me with pictures and information we’re loving the challenges so please don’t be scared of saying he’s got that wrong let me know and we will change it because that’s what it’s all about um yeah so thanks everybody and we look forward to the next the next one were the [Music] times those were the ways so take me back so take me back to the good old [Music] day looking back from here can see that we were blind to the burdens we would shoulder in struggles we would find but Rin made us strong as strong can [Music] be those were the time those were the way so take me back so take me back to the good old day ice cream [Music] on we were trading candy bars and sticks of [Music] [Music] hey [Music]