JK Rowling should be allowed to SPEAK OUT! – Robert Halfon | Chopper’s Political Podcast

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This week, Christopher Hope is joined by Robert Halfon MP and Mark Littlewood, the head of Popular Conservativism. Halfon says the Tories need to focus on “absolute priorities” like easing the cost of living for working class votes not civil servants wearing rainbow lanyards. Littlewood says he backs Rishi Sunak to take the Tories into the next election.

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coming up on Chopper political podcast you know it’s always been my dream that the party gets rid of the the broccoli and has a a ladder as its symbol tree it’s not broccoli is it well it’s meant to be a tree but it looks like broccoli I [Music] think welcome back to Chopper’s political podcast recorded at my favorite pu Stone throw from the gates of the houses of Parliament weekly I bring you the best guests gossip and stories from around my favorite Pub table in the heart of Westminster this week we’ve got two guests later I’ll be speaking to Mark littlewood about a growing force in center right politics popular conservatism and white might have a major role in deciding who becomes the next conservative party leader but first the number of MPS Tory MPS quitting Parliament at the next election is growing by the week week few attract the generous notices of my first guest Robert Halen when he said he was quitting but then few are as interesting as Robert who else would explain their choic ofstead of standing down by quoting from The Lord of the Rings Robert Halen welcome to Chopper political podcast hello which character in Lord of the Rings would you be oh well without a doubt um Bill Boo baggin and I’ll tell you why one I’m quite small in stature I’ve got very very fat feet so my shoes are always are they hairy toes uh not hairy but very fat so um they’re always two sizes too big because they’re so fat CU usually shoes are very narrow yes and uh I walk with a stick like billbo did I love I do smoke I know it’s a terrible thing I love the countryside um breakfast is one of my favorite favorite meals and uh I’m not like an Aragon type character but I can lead people and encourage and persuade people in in a of way Aragon of course became a king eventually yes Aragon became a king and was an incredible man and he was sort of like a you know great great Commander leader whereas billbo could lead people and motivate people but in a very very different way and so I think that I’m definitely billbo Baggins without so when you came into politics in 2010 did you ever think you’d be leaving now in 2014 what was your game plan a lot of your colleagues I meet tell me you know that they’ve got a chance of being prime minister that what drives them do you want to be evering not oh not in a million years um I think you need to know where your talents are in politics I always wanted to do something on skills and education um that was my passion I wasn’t desperate for government jobs you know although I did love the party and I was you know proud to be Deputy chairman some years ago and I attended cabinet for a year uh during the referendum year which was an incredible thing 2015 2016 David Cameron under David Cameron in cabinet and I’ll never forget that for the rest of my life because that was uh historic you know the cabinet meetings that were discussing the ref you a remainer I was a reluctant remainer yeah but a remainer I was a remainer I would I wish I could have put six out of 10 on the ballot form but i’ absolutely felt in every part of my bones that once it happened you had to do everything possible to make brexit happen and I really was uh upset at the time by some of the Antics that went on to try and stop the result cuz you’re Dem rat a passionate Democrat and all my constituents 68% who voted believe even though they know knew that I voted the other way they respected the fact that I respected their decision has your career been held back by your principles in the sense that you’ve been a a rebel when you have to be on say free School meals when Boris Johnson was just in as prime minister when he was trying to think about the election think about a new team and you’re being a pen at they ask basically in House of Comm I was select committee chair at the education that was an incredible job because um I love campaigning and that will God willing it be a long time to come but on my gravestone I would love it to say he was a campaigner hopefully many many years to come um but I had to that was wasn’t about free School meals for all time it was particularly during covid and I just thought the government politic at the time was Bonkers and um you know the government spent billions on Furlow and then were quibbling about a relatively small amount of money on free School meals on principal almost wasn’t it it was on principal yes and I wrote an article with a spectator saying the conserved a case for free School meals during covid um which I think actually in all my time is probably the most best article I’ve ever written um but of course uh then the government did change the policy after all the aggro the most MPS voting against res School meals and then they changed the policy you’re right well um let’s put it this way it was the right thing to do and I remember nck the Costa in number 10 who’s a great person ringing me up saying they were going to change the change the policy and they realized they’d got it wrong I had massive respect for for at least the government ad missing that but it doesn’t help of course when you do and that time I rebelled quite a bit what’s been your greatest achievement in politics well I I focused on three things in politics one was um of course the cost of living and that manifested itself in campaigning for the minimum wage which Osborne uh did I was really pleased but most initially yeah and then came around under the live Dems and Now supported well he as well I’m a huge fan of George Osborne and no offense to your brilliant podcast but I also listen to his regularly with Ed Balls with Ed BS is very good I mean and they talk from position of being in the room which I’m not in the room so it’s a different I was his I was his Parliament private secretary for a year and he was incredible and he’s a brilliant strategist um as it happens you know PBS’s are called bag carriers so he used to help me carry my briefcase so I think I was the first PPS in history where the Secretary of State cares the bag of the PPS rather than the other way around Department to private secretary unpaid role and you basically y with MPS but you sitting in the treasury that and it was really tough in 2014 to 15 because we had Ed Balls on the war path in the runup to the 2015 election so there were statements urgent questions in Parliament all the time and you had to manage all that but um you know I’ve had your achievements though I meaners obviously on cost living was minimum wage but particularly fuel Duty well kind of come to that now you know on his on his podcast in El he’s called you the most expensive yeah Tory back bench in history because would you explain why well uh the problem with saying that is sometimes my constituents think it’s about my expenses and I know what you’re like on MP’s expenses you explain what explain what he means what what they meant was because I campaigned so hard with fairfi UK and and the newspapers um to cut fuel Duty and it cost the treasury billions all free well we actually got one cut initially then complete free for many years then 5p from Rishi when he was Chan was people have forgotten about you worked out the cost of your oh it’s billions and billions and billions billions well I would say we’ve saved the taxpayer billions cuz I’m a conservative you’re aor got that yes course and uh um it was the most incredible campaign I remember when we got a petition together with um Howard Cox of fairfiel UK LLY the Reform Party person sadly but he um we got 100,000 100,000 signatures like within a 10 days or something and got a petition to Parliament we did demonstrations we did everything and um the Sun newspaper behind you of course oh and the sun was brilliant huge on this and the sun was massive and so um it’s become a tmic tax that no government dares touch so I guess when I go um um it will they will you know I hope they don’t put it up let’s put it that way but that was a great achievement and I got awards for it and I it’s been saying I’m very proud of by the way I started that campaign literally yeah why because um McDonald’s in harow one of the McDonald’s on the roundabout um on the M11 had started charging for parking after an hour and I said to the you longer for a Big Mac don’t you in an hour well exactly well I said to the owner why are you charging for people par parking after an hour I don’t know he said because some people are parking overnight because they can’t afford to go uh because of the cost of petrol and I and I had so many conss and by the way don’t if you remember when I first got the price of petrol was Rising quite and Diesel quite highly and so it was such a cost not just to motorists but to employers it put up the price of food because of Transport cost um so I realized this was like the biggest cost of living issue and the voice of the motorist is often I think missing in policy debate a lot of people working in Westminster White Hall don’t drive get the training the tube and you’re someone who’s plugged into what your voters are concerned about which outside of the major transport hubs you need your car well I’m a white van conservative and white van cons term I think so and well I always gave white van man and women because plenty of women Drive White in fact we did once with the son a white van women Manifesto with a white van woman from harow M which was amazing EXC but um uh what I mean by that is that it’s small mobile business entrepreneurial people who just who some sometimes are just about managing the hate the ules for example um but um trying to carry the tools through the barriers can’t get into congestion charging the the cycle Lanes goodness knows what everything is against them and yet these people work really long hours doing everything for their families and they epitomize kind of the Essex entrepreneurial Spirit yeah and you the seat you’re leaving you got a healthy majority you don’t are you losing seat No in fact the boundary changes we get some of Kem bed knocks Wen saf and Warden um some Villages um but so I I and also I’ve worked really hard really hard um I haven’t just championed field Duty I’ve championed friendships and skills all my parliamentary life my first speech was on your Twitter handle is Halon for har always and my email and your email I’ve never used says everything because you define yourself totally in terms of your cons you’re not really that was from day one and I’ve never my email I don’t use parliamentary email um I my email is H for har.com my Twitter is hon for Hara because I wanted to show people that I’m championing H I love my constituency but and that’s why you get so much respect if I can say that because you are you’re rooted in the people you represent I I I love it and I’ve lived there since uh 2000 very early January 2000 um but I’ve done um 10 years as a parliamentary candidate in the same place I lost by 97 votes in 2005 before 2010 before 21 so in 2001 I cut the majority from 11,000 to 6,000 and lost by 97 votes in 2005 2010 I won by 4,000 votes but it’s 10 years as a candidate 14 years as an MP 25 years of 25 years this November so I was selected originally November 1999 and you know in a seat like that um it’s amazing but you have to work seven days a week and which I love doing I’m not complaining about it but they want you to work hard and also you’ve always got the labor party on your heels the labor party are very um strong although we’ve beaten them we’ve now run the council only for the third time in political history in the whole history of Harlow but you built a 14,000 majority over the over three elections um since 2010 um four elections four elections my head I miss four elections since 2010 um you built the S Castle you built your your foundations why are you knocking it all down because you all the effort you put in is is there to be seen so I wanted to be an MP since I was 10 and uh because an MP came to my school and said par had a thousand rooms and I didn’t believe it and I demanded to go to see every single room but it’s been amazing but I’ve just reached a point in my life that I’ve achieved my lifetime dream I attended cabinet I I became an MP for a great town I attended cabinet I’ve been a minister twice select Comm chair it’s time for me I want to do something different while while you can while I can you know and so um you know sometimes you shouldn’t overstay your welcome um so I think that it’s time uh for me I feel it in my bones that it’s time for me I still want to work in skills and education that’s my so I still want and I still want to you know obviously support the conservatives in one way or another but just not as a member of the House of Commons politics is all about context and you’ve got your own personal context you explain that very clearly others think he is the originator of blue collar conservatism it’s the party moving away from where Labor’s strong but you’re you’re tmic you’re Canary in the mind for some I think um yeah I was seen as the original Blue Collar MP because we apart from stevenage I think we were me and Steven but part were were pretty unusual seats to win in 2010 you were the two guys who invented really I think yeah exactly and what and actually we’re both New Towns um what um I think we just need to be very careful what blue collar uh conservative is is about um because I absolutely get the culture issues I completely get it so all the all the culture wars stuff in quotes the issues about lanyards that’s a distraction so look I don’t like the term culture wars and I think KY said this K bad or not but and some of it is really important the lanyards I just don’t care I’ve worn a Ukraine lanyard and very proud to do so although I don’t wear them very much um lanyards is not like wearing things around but the what what we got to be very care careful what blue collar conservatism is all about and what it’s about is um absolute priorities on the cost of living so you know I get constituents saying I’m working 48 hours I have hardly any money left even with all the government help which I support 900 tax cut and so on um I get uh constituents writing to me all the time about affordable housing because people don’t even you know so the most of our population have tiny amount of savings right they can’t even deposit for house so we need affordable housing in harow concertive Council we brought built social housing I’m proud of that and that’s why we won because we we we’ve also tho we’ve been conservative because we’ve Frozen counil taxs every year through the last three years and built so affordable housing and so if you go down an alley which is a kind of minority Pursuit you’re not focusing on on real priorities that affect people’s everyday lives like will I get a GP appointment in the next few days days rather than two three four weeks down the line right and I have always always tried to focus on the key things that matter CU those are the things that voters are going to make their decision why is your party worrying about this stuff is it a Twitter irrelevance some of it is really important and what Jillian is doing course on sex ucation you know and all that and and but what I would argue is you know let do the thing do the things that absolutely essential you know let great people like JK Rowling speak out but let’s focus on cost of living housing skills uh and will conservatism live on when you’re not there I think also stepen Partland is quitting as well so the two Originators of of this idea which have drove maybe the Boris Johnson win wins in the in the So-Cal red wall blue wall is it withering I think we’ve got to be very clear what bluecar conservatism is all about and and also again when people talk about immigration right we got to remember that most people in our country will either have um a member of the family who might come from a different background or a cousin or friend or whatever it is and you have to be very careful in the language because when you keep going on about I want a country back and all this kind of thing which I really don’t like what you’re also saying is to the person who has an Italian wife or a what a Asian cousin whatever it might be well actually we don’t like those people and and there’s millions of people from different backgrounds in our country in our towns as much as in our cities who are um uh maybe from different backgrounds and we have to be absolutely be clear stopping the boats I completely get it but the language and the narrative has to be one of compassion and you’re leaving the field so you can’t shake that debate anymore why is that why am I leaving the field well I know why you’re leaving but but you regret you’re concerned about the future of the Tory party but you’re leaving the the pitch because you’re I’m concerned that um I don’t want us to become a mirror image of the Coronas in Reverse I want us to be compassionate conservatives that doesn’t mean left-wing you know kind of woke whatever but you govern as compassionate conserv the language and the narrative and the story our party must be must be about aspiration achievement opportunity and Community very simple words the ladder of opportunities I always call it you know it’s always been my dream that the party gets rid of the the broccoli and has a a ladder in as its symbol because with hands around it because we help people climb the ladder we get them top tree it’s not broccoli is it well it’s meant to be a tree but it looks like broccoli I think have you told the party that many times I’ve one of my few you’re a former deputy party chairman you can change this stuff well it was one of my few things that I’ve campaigned on that I’ve been very unsuccessful I tried to get adem a har every chairman Under the Sun but um they uh for some re I don’t get it it’s a terrible symbol doesn’t stand look like anything we are and Churchill said this he had the escalator of prosperity we we bring what is conservatism about we bring people to the ladder we help them climb up by you have a safety net if people fall off that ladder right what is the top of that ladder it’s job security and prosperity that’s what we and so we need express our values and have a powerful story because the labor party have a story they say well they want to help the underdog I’ve got to ask you about um about you are you disabled Rober H yes I was born with um a former Cy called dpia and actually when I was younger I was told I would never walk the doctors wrote to my family I I walked on tipto so I could have made a great ballet dancer perhaps in COV Garden or something the doctors said I would never wrote to my father saying I would probably need to go to a special school and then my father found a great professor in great Orman Street Hospital who changed my life so I had many operations throughout my childhood and here I am uh walking up these very stairs it’s like going up in a ship um to get to the top floor but um a chick being a minister and uh being able to do you haven’t allowed any of that to hold you back and do you think of yourself as disabled or just no I I I I don’t like the terminology um I see myself as my legs being messed up but I’ve got advantages and other you know I I have you know I wake up early I go swimming like a dolphin in the water bet you are um bizarrely you would you would think that I was you know that sketch in Little Britain where the guy jumps out of the wheelchair that’s me in the water you’d think I was a it was all a big con if you saw me in the water cuz I could swim so well we’re going to miss you in P I got to ask you one question how will you feel when you shake hands and say goodbye to the speaker in the middle of October will cry won’t you I’ve seen I’ve been four or five of those watched them happen and is it is emotional I will have cold turkey it will literally be shaking like uh because it’s a politics isn’t a job it’s a vasion it’s an addiction without a doubt you’re going to win yourself off it um never Robert Hal thank you for joining us today on Chopper political podcast thank you thank you next up behind the spires of the Palace of Westminster there’s a battle being fought over the direction of the Tory party if the polls are right and the party does lose the next general election mb’s and sporters are fretting about those poll ratings groups are being formed outside the influence or the direct influence of the conservative party to shape that Direction one group is called Popular conservatism key figures in that group Jacob ree smog Liz truss Lee Anderson as was before he went to the Reform Party and others but with me now is it chief executive Mark lwood Mark welcome to Chopper’s political podcast Great To Be With You Chris just checking leanon is now out of popular cons was he allowed to be a member because you’re not you’re not L we don’t actually have a membership so uh I mean if Lee Anderson signs up to receive our weekly email newsletters he will indeed receive them so what is you’re a movement we are a movement and we’re much bit of an American thing more than the British thing yeah we’re much more focused on trying to get to Grassroots members there’s lots of talk in the media about I’ve lost track now is it five families six families um and that’s amongst the Tory T MPS these are sort of dining clubs or they produce research pamphlets and that’s great adds to the gayet of Nations we’re interested in talking to MPS for sure they’re going to be vital on shaping the future agenda of the conservative party but we’ve got more than an eye on actual Grassroots members of the conservative party up and down the land so it is about the Tory party not about a new party because we have heard from other people Dominick Cummings Matthew Goodwin talking about their own parties but you are basically trying to help the Tory party reshape yeah my analysis is this that the the extreme likelihood is we’re going to remain in a two-party duopoly uh whether the opinion polls are right or not frankly uh I don’t see that breaking it might it did a 100 years ago when the labor party broke through perhaps the Dom Cummings party or the Matt Goodwin party or some other Venture will suddenly March to the sunlet art plans and win hundreds of seats under the first pass of the post system but I doubt it so I really think the main show in town is what does the conservative party do what’s it think what’s it stand for if you’re interested in the center right of politics okay popcorn then as it’s called by some people what’s it how many members it got subscribers what do you call them and then and what do they do are they paying money to be part of this no we haven’t charged anybody a bean yet we might do that in future we’ve got about 10,000 people on our database uh it’s ticking up nicely we perhaps get a dozen or so sign ups at today uh we offer membership sort of services you can join me on online conversations not too similar to this one we’ve leading conservatives so we’re we’re reaching out um right across Britain and trying to attract people some of them won’t be members of the conservative how many are of those 10,000 what that’s extremely difficult to actually work out you ask them um we ask them uh but we can’t oblige them to sort of share their membership details with us our strong impression from the feedback we get is the overwhelming majority are they talk about running in the local council elections that sort of thing uh so we’re building it Brick by Brick and uh there aren’t too many kind of Grassroots conservative party organizations there’s a lot within the Westminster b a gang called Grassroots conservatives from memory is that right which isn’t yeah quite is not that that there’s the there’s the CDO of course the conservative Democratic organization bis Johnson I gang well it has a yeah has a mixture of things I think they miss Boris but they’re principally aimed at changing the Pary kind of constitutions and rules we’re aimed actually at trying to shift the party’s philosophy and platform so what is this 70 7070 strategy which I think you’d be speaking to financial supporters about and it may have leaked to newspapers yeah I mean I’m quite I mean I’m not surprised it’s leaked to newspapers because I’m speaking to absolutely anybody about it who will listen right tell our tell our podcast about it so look the the if you want to shape the future of the conservative party at some point there’ll be a leadership election we can speculate you know whether the conservative party will win or lose the next election and all of that sort of stuff but at some point there’ll be a leadership election and that really will Define the uh future of the conservative party its platform whenever that comes and one of my 70s is actually out of date because my um projection was were the conservatives to lose the election it would be about 70 weeks until there was a leadership election and I saying that in about October or November were we to lose I don’t completely rule out something could happen weeks you got 70 weeks probably until there’s conservative leadership election depending on how many conservative MPS you think uh will be standing after the election but the kind of midpoint of the opinion polls I think it was certainly the time around 200 or so uh a leadership candidate needs just over a third of the Parliamentary party to get on the ballot if you get 33.4% there are not two candidates who can beat you and the Parliamentary party puts two candidates forward so that’s uh would be 70 MPS if you presume 210 seats maybe it will be 310 Maybe lower and amongst the membership there were around about 160,000 members of the conservative part and yeah not everybody votes I think when Liz truss won she won comfortably with I think 82,000 votes so you probably need 70,000 voters so it’s more like just more like 40 70 70 because it’s less time to the El Le election if the to lose election well I I’ve heard all sorts of numbers fire back at me some people think the conservatives will far worse in the election so you might not need 70 MPS but that’s that’s the rough structure it’s not secret you’re developing a policy platform yeah with with your 10,000 supporters which you’ll then present to possible candidates in the election and say which of you like this then we can then get behind you that’s exactly right I mean I I don’t have a candidate in mind uh for people who’ve been around this block for donkeys years like you and I you remember when Michael Portillo sort of preemptively set up his campaign headquarters and Stu phone lines and I genuinely don’t know that wouldn’t happen now cuz everyone’s on mobile phones but you start to I mean there’s been all of these rumors about some cohort that was trying to get rid of richy sunak meeting in some office and make I genuinely don’t have a candid he’s safe now isn’t he yeah and he’s not going to be I think it was ludicrous to suggest we should remove the Prime Minister genuinely genuinely did I I I could not believe that would be in the best party’s interest and I wish him well at the election right I mean he might be 25% behind but he’ll definitely be getting my vote and I think that maneuvering against him was mad so I don’t have a candidate in mind we can talk about a range of the personalities uh but but I want a candidate who will uh pick up the philosophy and platform of what popcor are saying which is which is now the overarching thing is this and I’m going to be honest this doesn’t actually sit perfectly well with a conservative mindset rather than working with the grain of a lot of the institutions in the UK we’ve got to tear up a lot of institutions in the UK the typical conservative mindset is always oh well if it’s here and it exists and that’s probably the wisdom of the ages you can serve what’s been in the past exactly that’s the typical mindset I now think and we think in in popcorn that the institutional infrastructure is enormously geared against conservative ends the climate change committee I would suggest has more influence over climate policy than the Secretary of State for the environment and one’s elected and one isn’t yeah one’s elected one is isn’t the OB I think now basically fiscal policy more than the chor of the Checker So It Goes On I think the bank of England is not sufficiently answerable to our democratically elected Parliament wherever you look I think an awful lot of stuff that’s happening in our schools that parents are uneasy about is is not really because of choice made by parli Mark there’s one problem with this the elected people can change those unelected institutions they can get rid of the OB they can wind up the climate change committee why aren’t they well exactly I mean our argument is they should I mean if they couldn’t my Venture would be entirely pointless right I mean we want a government that will rid so you’re trying to find MPS and candidates who will do that for correct that that would be the platform that there’s going to be a real institutional kind of reset or restoration and I think roughly what happened was this when the conservatives came to office in Coalition with the lip DS back in 2010 there was I mean it was unsaid but essentially given that Blair had accepted the thatcherite economic settlement Cameron accepted the Blair constitutional settlement so a vast range of these quangos and institutions and supposed independent bodies a theme and a description in the media which I lo because independent is basically a word meaning unaccountable uh independent of what I don’t want all of these things to be independent impes NPS can’t be trusted NPC set up by Gordon Brown was because the feeling was that you can’t trust politicians with the key part of setting the interest rates that’s exactly right so we’ve got a problem I mean I I I’m not suggesting we completely renationalize the bank of England by the way but I think we’ve got a problem without wanting to overstate this that elected politicians have become to some degree ceremonial the big decisions about what happens in policymaking are taken by these independent experts and Quang goats and the rest and that needs to be reset I people shouting into their phones or into their speakers in their kitchens when they’re hearing this podcast they’ll say this was Tried by someone before and that person was Liz truss and it went wrong so why are you trying to go down that same route well I actually don’t think it was Tried by Liz trust I she didn’t abolish the office for public responsibility she sacked one senior civil servant scholas um yeah there was no change to the bank of England uh actually the trust uh experience over 49 days but I would suggest the conservative experience over 14 years is trying to do the policy things like lowering tax cutting regulation reforming planning uh uh changing our immigration policy these become nearly impossible to implement these policies because you are pushing water uphill against an Institutional framework which is frankly hostile to you I think if trust had actually won a general election and had come in with a public mandate actually she probably would have started on reforming these things and the Civil Service I would add to that list as well what the I think the lesson was if you try to do these things you can’t so what’s next from popcorn we’ve had um when of you were biggest celebrity supporters Holly Valance sitting in the same chair you were in uh just now as my first guest on this this podcast a few weeks ago what what’s next will she be the she’ll be the uh standard Bearer and will you be ping a policy platform pre-election she she’d need to be become an MP before she could run for leader of the conservative party Chris but interesting outside back yeah we want to produce a policy platform and flesh out these ideas because I’m conscious they’re a bit nebulous uh if you go out onto the street and say what do we need institutional change to the quy when do we need it now touch card coming up so I mean there’s four areas in particular particular I think we need to leave the ECR in order to have a coherent immigration policy I think we need to scrap the equality act in order to properly tackle the uh invasive woke culture uh I think we need to scrap the ob in order to actually have a sensible uh tax and spend policy and I think we need to scrap the climate change committee and Retreat from the commitment of three out of four new labor policies and one being a Tory one the OB yeah I mean that that I think would be a radical and popular conservative platform whether we can get any of that into the Manifesto I don’t know are you with the party yeah we’re going to put all of this together try and get it into the manifesto um you know some of what we’re looking at is because of where the polls are what might happen afterwards but you fight politics one day at a time and at the moment we’re still in government and the conservative party will put a Manifesto forward to the people well Mark lwood thank you for joining us today on Choppers political podcast it’s great to have you on to hear about popcorn and let’s see how it develops It’s Great To Be With You Chris thanks to my guest today Mark littlewood and of course Robert Halon earlier I love your thoughts about what you what you heard from Mark and Robert tweet me Christopher Hope on X email me Chopper GB newws if you enjoyed this podcast I know Mark has please tell your friends and if you really enjoyed it please leave a five star rating and a review on Apple podcast and Spotify and anywhere where you hear your podcast that helps other people find it more easily thank to brilliant team at GB news behind this podcast a cast of thousands Mick Booker Jeff 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