The White Sea Cycle – Talk at the Hospitalhof Stuttgart (2024)
Talk about the White Sea Biological Research Station and the artsy documentary movie about it at the Hospitalhof in Stuttgart.
– Nathalie Grenzhaeuser, director of the movie
– Dr. Alexei Sukhotin, director of the White Sea Biological Research Station “Kartesh”
– Dr. Jule Reuter, moderator of the talk
– Dr. Marie-Luise Zielonka, greeting and finishing words, curator of the photo exhibition “The White Sea Cycle”
Recorded by Ákos István Posta
«Беломорский цикл – беседа в госпитале Штутгарт» (2024 г.)
Расскажит о Беломорской биологической станции и художественном документальном фильме о ней в госпитале в Штутгарте.
– Натали Гренцхойзер, режиссер фильма
– Доктор Алексей Сухотин, директор Беломорской биологической научной станции «Картеш»
– Доктор Жюль Рейтер, модератор доклада
– Доктор Мария-Луиза Зеленка, приветствие и заключительное слово, куратор фотовыставки «Беломорский цикл».
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the [Music] [Music] Biological Station Al [Music] in the title Zone creatures Cosmos science in Dr [Music] for for evening thank you for the invitation of and for the kind introduction by now it’s my part to introduce natal and Dr Alex um after that um we will have a talk together I prepared some question and I think after this we open the discussion to everybody um Natalie Granda she works and lives in Berlin and today I’ve heard she was born in stutgart and here are some guests from the kindergarten and the school so it’s great Natalie studied art at sh sh SCH in Frankford in the class of Herman until 1997 traveling to remote places was an early part of her artistic practice one of her main areas of interest is the landscape in 2005 she V she visited spitsberg in Norway in the subpolar circle for the first time she stayed on spitsberg once again as part of an artist residency in 2006 and 2009 one result of these days was a work complex the Arctic the Arctic series it was created between 2005 and 2016 this work relates climatic conditions and human use of the Arctic to each other her work in the sub Circle was followed by art artist residencies in Havana in Kuba in 2013 2014 and 2016 in 20 8 Natalie was invited by Dr Alex supporting to the White Sea Biological Station in Kia in Russia further workdays followed there in 2019 and 2021 a major exhibition was planned for 2002 at the Zoological Museum in St Petersburg to showcase the recently created works it was cancelled due to the war some of the recent work they shown in smaller exhibitions in Germany for example last year at maximilan for in Munich um together uh the exibition was together with Stephanie s and this year um there was a show in Berlin at Gallery Axel Oba um also this stepan s together and the title of this exhibition was Crees in critical zones let’s go to you Alex um um Alexi supported Liv in St Petersburg he studied biology at the linard State University and he wrote his doctoral thesis on the Zoological Institute of Russian Academy of Science from 2008 to 2023 he was the director of the White Sea Biological Station which is part of the Zoological Institute of Russian Academy of Science he has been a leading scientist since July 2020 3 at theological Institute his research interests are e phys physiology of aquatic animals structure and production in animal populations the main fields of his research interest cover ecological energetics physiology biochemistry and genetics of marine invertebrates and their populations in geographical and habitat scales the overarching te of his researchers understanding of the mechanism limiting species distribution determining maximum life span and allowing animal populations to withstand environmental stress Alex C is um is also publishing and he published over 100 per reviewed articles and book chapters and he’s also teaching as I know okay let’s start um Marie L Zona already mentioned it but I want to ask you again where do an artist and a marine biology biologist meet and how does it come about that you started a kind of collaboration okay um yes it works uh how did it came um I think it came um well the first approach was in the H Wiens shs colleague where we met actually where we both were fellows and um I was invited by you because of the Arctic um Works which I have done in my collaboration with the Alfred vigner Institute and um then I came to the white SE Biological Station because I always wanted to do a work about the sea and I always wanted um to go um to Russia and to the Russian Arctic that was um the plan at that time and so uh yeah and then um on the station uh I mean I I depended on Alex and um he introduced me to the other scientists and he transl and um so um yes I mean it was uh just um we didn’t plan that actually it just just happened you want to say something yeah just a little addition uh um I have invited natal because I saw um her work a big work which is a which was presented to the H sh by her uh it was a work from spitsbergen uh was very nice photograph and I liked it very much and uh then I asked who is the author and uh found out that that he wanted to continue work in the Arctic so that was a good reason to uh return back to the different site and uh you know to go on with that and and uh natal wrote a nice proposal about work about the medusas and we evaluated that she got the invitation and uh and and finally this project uh developed into different areas as you saw here in the F Natalie Alexi invited you to come to cage in six years ago now we see the most expensive I of Works to date in the hospital about your experiences there I would describe the White Sea cycle as a propos magnum it contains four chapters we already heard about this before I go into this in more detail I would like to ask you a general question you know what I mean what was there a main question or interest at the beginning besides the interest of the Arctic and general um as I um said the interest was the sea and our approach it was kind of U for me it was kind of a continuation uh in in invest investigating landscape from um a scientific part and I was thinking about how to deal with this and in a in a different way as I have done it in the Arctic and and then um well I as I always do when I get invited I make a research and then I saw it’s about invertebrates and um a lot of these invertebrates are very old species which have existed millions of years before us and so the time aspect came into it and I was very much excited about that and um interested and um and also the morphology of these animals and um yes and I I have already started also in the Arctic to make u a special approach to science in the Arctic it was less the hand the handlings and ways how to do it it um it was more about the measurement systems and the devices uh which you need for the science and infastructure yeah and the infrastructure as well yes Alex and what expectations did you have when you invited Natalie as an artist to your research station was she the first artist to visit and stay with your you and your colleagues uh no uh Natalie was defin def L not the first artist uh who came to our station but uh uh natal appeared to be different because uh in all previous cases well we had an experience with the artists the uh once in a while come to the station because the the Landscapes are beautiful and the sea animals are also very interesting and uh they make works but mostly documentary and uh um and also we had movies before the films about the station and all of them were absolutely documentary which is different what is different with is that this is an art piece which uh only partly or maybe not completely uh documentary and it is it should be uh seen um as an aesthetic project and uh and that uh the photographs which she uh What uh she produced are also uh aesthetic but not biological that’s what I would say natal you told that you were interested in the sea and um I think both um for both of you the sea is a main protagonist but with different perspectives I it seems to me that for the researcher is the habitat of the creatures he’s studying and the space he has to work with for the artist it seems to me um the sea is a multier space whose complexity you wants to find expression for and maybe or perhaps it’s for both of you also the great unknown Alex what is special about the White Sea from a marine biology biology perspective for example in comparison with other Seas can you tell us some aspect yes I can tell that the white definitely the white seem special uh it it differs from most other Seas uh because um it uh combines the features of an Arctic and of an 10 uh um temperate seat so uh it is a uh so strange it has very uh specific hydrological structure it has two layers the white SE is a big Basin which has two layers of water which almost do not mix uh the upper layer which is like 70 M or something it is a kind of warm water although it freezes at in Winter and the bottom layer which is 300 M it is Antarctic Waters the um this do never uh have temperatures above zero it’s it’s always negative temperatures and the seasonal variations is very very very small time ination just one degree and they uh these waters are inhabited by Arctic animals so uh this is a very specific uh feature we can study we are biology but in biologist there we are lucky because we can from the same place we can study the uh subarctic or temperate animals and life and at the same time the arctic ones so we can reach both FAS and floras from our station yeah that’s the interest one of interesting features of the thank you and the same question to you Natalie what is special about the V SE from an an artistic point of you also in comparison with other places you have seen and worked with oh that’s not so easy question um I think um it’s not so easy because I cannot describe in just one two sentences um well what is so special about this is what I try to express in the movie it’s uh the atmosphere the atmosphere of the landscape and and um well also the atmosphere at the station I would say for me I mean it’s not only the landscape of course it’s what what you encounter when you are somewhere um and uh what I very much liked is um that you have the feeling of it’s it’s a little bit of you may love about that it’s like a kind of um to go into clour um it’s not like in church but it’s um kind of uh it has a very it is very focused there is no there is no distraction it is um very focused very relaxed very um beautiful tool it has his own poy um and yeah and it’s a bit also like uh a place where it’s uh enough time although I mean also the people who work there they have a really high uh um working am high amount of work to do and but it’s um very special atmosphere I think very intense that’s I like about the place I would like um to know a little bit more about um your methods of working and also maybe you’re thinking about the unknown um it also concerns the question of whether we can only see what we know um you as an artist natal you are not a special in Marine Biology what do you do if you don’t know or or understand something and how important is specialized knowledge for your work let me think a minute not a minute but some seconds [Music] um well what is uh I I don’t have to know I’m not U I’m not um making a work directly about the science it is a work about how science look like or how um the the atmosphere the handlings the what comes together with uh the movement in the landscape it’s it’s it has many layers so I’m coming more from an um artistic view or I’m an artist who is interested in the power of the image and not not I don’t know but uh it’s a film The some of the scientists are explaining something to you and um are you inspired to to read something about this and to to to to learn something about this more you you before well definitely definitely I I want to know what’s going on and uh what it is about and all kinds of details but I do not necessarily have to know everything about before I start to work um of course it’s of interest but uh it’s not that uh I have to know every detail and then I can start with to work you don’t want become a scientist I well no I think I have uh I have my topics and it’s enough work but I had in school and in science is when I made my abitur so it’s not coming from nowhere it’s interesting for me to know how an a scientist deal with the unknown that means um uh I would I would um like to use an example um for example the climate change where there science before around of it of it arose or do you as a scientist know about climate change and adapt your search question questions accordingly that means if you are searching about and um they are adapting to climate change you know you have this question before and find the reses or you find reses and then you ask where they come from or as a both yeah definitely probably both definitely both but uh uh the the mainstream of scientific research is uh you have the knowledge of something you have a background knowledge of uh uh anything and then uh you ask a question further and then you make a hypothesis and test the hypothesis and if it’s uh uh proven then you go a step further if it’s uh uh refuted then it’s okay you also go uh one step further you make a new hypothesis so uh this is a normal way of uh scientific research but definitely uh there are uh some occasional uh findings which turn the the picture and uh uh give you a new direction of research and uh uh this is quite often so uh this is both the combination of both approaches and also there is a third one when you go to completely unknown place or space or time or habited uh you just uh study you just collect everything and and see what’s going on and then you having this knowledge as a background you uh make this hypothesis and testing and everything so uh many approaches including the main thank you um Natalie you have observed and a compan scientists on the White Sea in their da research activities in the exhibition I mean the whole exhibition not only the film you see pictures of their research subject sea Angels jellyfishes SPO um you show them a light in their living environment on the one hand and in the in a laboratory like setting on the other then they are dead um what is important if you uh to you when you portray creatures are you also interested in reflecting on our human approach to them well what is um the the main thing when uh where I start is how what are the principle um associations uh I get when I when I have I have tons of images I make a lot of uh photographs and then I choose from maybe 20 or 50 one and this should be the one who is has the most precise um a special expression it’s like a portrait of something what I’m doing um and um yes and I try to get that in the most intensive way out so it’s it’s all about how also how to present on which material and why this and why not that and the size and and of course also our approach matters but um in uh well as as you said uh it has the exhibition has four chapters and the chapter we are talking about what is more or less the um creatures chapter and um there are other chapters like the cosmos chapter where it is not so much about the animals it’s more about the sea really the sea the body of the sea the texture the well the title is also the texture of the sea and so every every chapter has his own um topic and developed also texts about that so it is um it depends oops it depends which work also yeah yeah yeah I mean because a lot of portes are shown here at hospital from this chapter features yes and Alex what it is like uh for you to your research subjects as protagonists in art does it also give to you new impulses uh that’s a difficult question um actually it’s the first experience that uh uh I and my colleagues also uh can see how we work uh projected through the uh through the vision of an artist like like an artwork and uh um and uh uh sometimes it uh looks uh nice and aesthetic and very interesting sometimes maybe not and uh well uh maybe as a scientist uh I should U try to uh look from from the side on my work more uh which I uh do rare so uh the artistic View and approach uh can bring more I think the the more um Dimensions to what we are doing now a question to both of you um because I would like to touch briefly the on the issue of Ethics natal asked one of your colleagues in the film whether the marine animals being ex examed feel anything was that a point of discussion between you this question is anal feeling something is it allowed to do this for you and for you I mean you have this ethic discussiones of okay um it was not a big um topic but well it was well maybe once I asked about when you are making your own research with muscles but it was especially here in this scene um um from the movie um where it was about the sleeping behavior of sea Angel and um there you could see that um the um brain function was a um brain function was analyzed and and I there it was for me like a yeah a question and that’s why we put it it also we decided to leave this little dialogue in the movie because I thought it it it matters there es especially so but it’s not it’s not a a huge topic I mean it’s clear you cannot it’s you cannot uh make science without yeah if you investigate the animals I mean what maybe you want to say something okay uh this is definitely an issue um the ethical uh problem is uh uh important in science and there are uh National and international uh commissions that really watch that and there are rules uh written rules uh how to how to work with animals and uh what other procedures are allowed what not and uh uh in order to publish your research you have to really uh follow those rules and prove that uh that was the case case but this mostly is developed for um mammals mammals like mice and rats and rabbits and apes and monkeys and whatever many other animals uh there’s a lot of research but uh not uh anything with Fish And inates and we work with marops and uh we basically think that they do not feel uh pain or something like that they definitely have a nervous system some of them have the uh pretty highly organized nervous system but um at the moment uh there is no uh restrictions and rules and research uh uh showing that they feel uh this P so uh unless there is a you know proed otherwise we keep uh our work like it is but we will definitely change if uh it’s proven yeah and it’s also I mean uh like uh Dr Pin said we also eat fish and oyster I mean it’s yeah yeah but it’s really the only dialogue you can understand is I message from you to us definitely there um was a question in in this scene yeah I would now like to go into more detail about the video that is premiering was premiering today and um now you demonstrate a wide range of activities of the scientist from simple hand out to complex calculations in files but you don’t explain for us what exactly is being done and why why did you decide to do this in this way um yeah as I said because I wanted to make a about these um the ways how field research is done and then um the title is the white SE cycle which which means that for me I was um focusing on the working routines that means which uh which are been monitored since um over 60 years and there were um two main uh scientific field research which which are happening in summer in every three months some may you may say something about that more precisely and um so it was like to make um combination of how it looks like the body of this work the atmosphere the animals life cycle of life cycle in the whole project mattered a lot that’s why I also include dead animals the exhibition as well as in the movie so it is a constant um like circle from from life to death again to life again so it’s going on and on and on and that that was the idea of well of the whole project nevertheless it um it BRS a lot of question for me and so I want to use POS the situation and ask Al about um this are there any activities that are seasonal and which are very because Seasons we see playing a very important role in F definitely seasons are uh extremely important in the Life uh at in the White Sea because you saw the seasons are very very very well pronounced I me we have a really uh thick ice during five months of of the year it’s like 50 60 70 CM thick uh real uh Frozen sea and complete darkness uh in the sea and uh in in summer we have pretty warm water it’s like plus 15 uh on the surface so uh there is a strong seasonality and the seasons definitely um play a role in all uh life of all the species which uh uh which we study so they have a season for reproduction they have season for uh docy I mean for hypernation how you call it uh and they have season for uh distribution migration anything so we study we study uh the life of animals uh in a uh seasonal way how we really change with seasons and many of our work is seasonal so uh one of the monitorings which we really are proud of is the uh the monitoring of the Plankton research Plankton are tiny animals which live in the in the water body you know small uh crustations and other animals which you saw in the moving by the way so um uh the monitoring is uh uh means sampling every 10 days every 10 days in Winter and in summer and it was shown in the movie and in Autumn spring whatever uh scientists go into the sea and collect samples and then analyze the samples and it uh goes since uh 1957 and it’s over 60 65 years even more so uh this is the the fourth uh long the longest monitor in the world and we really um have a good data set and uh this means that every season is important so we study uh our animals in every season of of the year and uh uh then we know how they really leave thank you um I want come back um to the maybe possible intersections between Art and Science um I read that um Alex you also filmed for natal but as a scientist you also work with imaging media how do you seee intersections and possible Co coexistence of images made by scientists and those created by artists would it be interesting to show both together to aider a uh depending on the audience probably so uh uh definitely it is it can be really very interesting uh I never thought about that thank you you it’s I think it’s a great idea by the way and uh yeah the scientific photograph is something very different from from the artistic we are focused on specific details which we want to to uh study uh some photographs are micr photographs they are made with a uh Optical techniques microscopes and of different magnification and uh some are not you saw for example the photographing process in science in one of the episodes when scientists photographs the spes uh they did that because they later analyzed these uh photographs in a ro in in a computer program they need to know how these sponges really uh change their dimensions and they uh put them in in figures and and analyze that so uh the scientific photograph is uh not poetic at all and uh and is uh totally focused on some special feature which we want to know the the artistic photograph is definitely uh different they have a character these photographs objects have uh you know their appearance they resemble something maybe make give associations and uh that’s interesting to compare that’s I want to add something I had a situation on the White Sea where I was um had we had exactly this situation with the one who was the diver um he um well he was diving there and then we were together in the lab and we made photos of the animals which he got from the sea and it was very interesting he was very very quick and very focus and it was really like done quickly and and then and and I felt like it was it was very funny how how he worked and how I worked and uh also the results but it was just um an experience we had in the landb together and not not shown to somebody but it was very interesting yeah next question uh about the film um you already mentioned it that it is not CL a portray of the researchers but rather a portray of the processes involved in research however I can also derive characteristics of the habitos from this he she scientist must be patient have good eyes work precisely have robust health and should be a team player was what was their intention and what which features did you want to show us the collaborative work scientist work daily daily work daily being yes it was uh definitely a daily being and and also the atmosphere between the people also and during the working process and small details which I normally never mentioned and are of Interest um but also there are repetitions it is um work I mean it’s it’s it’s has his own [Music] um like things which which always mention is things like size temperature counting of things washing on things and there are um many pro processes where you have the same always water always the water uh matters not only in the process but also in the animals itself and um I found it also very interesting that a lot of these invertebrates are transparent or translucent and contain a lot of water themselves and so yeah well water plays a huge role also and U yeah and yeah certain movements which are dedicated to the processes what has to get out of the water what has to be uh filled in some jars or what I these things matter may I add something yeah yeah uh I would like to make a little addition about the the uh features and characters of the people which are there at the station the thing is that uh the station is remote is indeed pretty far from civilization we do not have road to any other Village or I don’t know we go by boats and uh uh and uh the nearest uh Little Village is 30 km so we are kind of uh in the middle of the nature and it’s a kind of small um place where people live together I mean they do not only work like here in The Institute or in the University you come in the morning you work you go back home in the evening in the station you work together and live together so I mean go visit the same Contin and use the same facilities whatever and you meet every day for many many hours uh um beyond the working hours uh so there is a selection of uh of uh features uh which allow people to really uh live uh for long months in a uh small place in the nature together and you know uh not only work together but but you know react to bad weather disasters which happen and uh you celebrate something together is uh is definitely makes a special feature to to this special um how do you call mask to all this team thank you was this addition um one question again about portrait of the scientist um I’m an art historian and so I also see this film in the tradition of AUST Z who made portraits of people from most diverse social classes and professional groups um in this big work uh people of the 20th century um is there uh maybe an inspiration for is he an inspiration for you and you think about portrait well it’s it’s definitely um I have seen many exhibitions where I know his work and and I could but I could also mention a lot of other um artists not only in photography also in film and in painting which matter a lot and I think every artist has his or her life life where all these uh influences come together and and they are all working inside I mean everything that uh was had a huge power it will it will go into the work also that’s what I think for me people like Diane Aros play a huge role for example or here specifically it was very interesting because before coming to the White Sea in 2018 I have seen an exhibition um from a French filmmaker with the strange name SE freed and I have never again seen something but I have seen he made a film about the East about Russia and about the far East and it is it it really it blowed me away I mean it was really very strong and powerful and um so this definitely uh through this movie um East from Z Kino G it’s the production company I think I I was very much influenced and he had Focus that comes the the idea to focus on the H and to make this really closeups um to create um an intensity and an iny maybe also that you’re really close you’re really looking over the shoulder or you are with the people in the field and yeah so it becomes really like you can feel the cold or you can um feel or see the dirt or I mean it’s very um how you say um body compan I don’t know is English physical physical yes of course physic yeah yeah when I saw the film today um I had a new question not prepared for today and how dangerous is it there because um yeah it inspired me to to think about this uh it looks so calm and contemplative but you mentioned this the weather and the cold and the Darkness and okay well um definitely when you are in the water this um you have um the movement the um the currents the currents and that’s why I uh um well that’s that’s definitely something which is um can be dangerous and I was always watched and in the beginning I I did not think much about it um I was more concerned about the the coldness and but I this I was very much prepared for that and also because normally I’m a person who is afraid in deep water and and I was I mean I was alone in the water and uh it was good and with a camera you forget these things but you it’s it’s important to be watched so I could not go whenever I liked there I had always to to wait for somebody to to go with me and who can watch me and yeah so that was for me robly the um or just to go for example in Winter times um straight uh into the landscape I mean I I had a special experience it was not in the landscape it was just on the station and and I just uh went off the scooter because in Winter you go with scooters with snow scooters and I got on the fall side because you have seen there it’s there are wooden paths on the station and they are important also and they went on the wrong side and then I ended up in the snow like until here and they had to take me out so and it’s it’s it it can be difficult then of course I mean that’s yes and definitely natal when came to the station she signed a form a special form that uh uh she takes his all the risk on herself so um but uh yeah everybody do does that when it comes to us but uh yes there are dangers of course well uh it’s a it’s a sea and there are storms in the sea are curs in the sea and there are um there are rocks which are also can be slippery and anything well we have bears and bus just at the station we see that once in a while and poisonous Saks too so uh dangers are everywhere but uh you um get used to you know leave in this and can manage I I want want to add I I mean I was a bit um prepared because I have been working in the Arctic and that was really a major topic um there because of the polar bears and I that was um a big thing security so compared to that I felt quite safe at the white SE and I always thought that you make jokes with the bears but on my last St there was this nice dog which is also in the film and he had really like the whole um thing of the he had a fight with a bear he was wounded and you could really see um yeah well um the T on his body and it was huge and I was really like realized where you are okay it was not a j okay so I I will finish here um with my questions to you and want to give you the opportunity to to ask and maybe I come with the microphone yes short question how how big is this yellow jelly fish well uh the jellyish they are diff from different size um the body orange one large um it was quite big maybe like this like this like this well there were also huge ones in the water so yeah can the biggest one I have seen there there was yeah yeah the tentacles are long yeah they the tentacles as are very long no questions yeah there’s another question yes please I very much like that there was no explaining of what the scientists are doing because to me it felt like they were following a game with secret rules that I don’t know and that part I really liked and I thought maybe that’s a connection between the process of a scientist and the process of an artist because I think um play is a crucial part of the process of an artist and I was wondering also part of process of the scientist because I think play opens up new connections that you wouldn’t have thought before and even if the Play Making Science is very serious and you have to be very precise and all these things but maybe there is space for play also that’s what I was uh we play games of course yes and uh um and there are there were many many games we played when we were students and then uh many games uh we are playing now it is definitely part of work and not work sorry part of the life and uh uh that’s how you sometimes spend uh your time with friends and uh um maybe you’re right I never thought about uh the use of games in the scientific research that maybe really develops develops the brain um gives a creative thinking thank you more questions um yes um I see you also mention or asked a question already in the little booklet that we made you can take it outside if there’s going to be another kind of chapter of the White Sea cycle there’s got to be some more um Corporation or will return to the biological station at least to show the movie to to the to the other scientist question yes well definitely um I will you will show the movie to uh all the people who are inol involved and um I have plans to continue also uh also with the m I have still a lot of material um this will probably be more in photography because I have done a lot of film work which you can see also in the exhibition here and as far as I see it now now there will be more like trffic work and um I have already started really very small approaches um on another scientific um project it’s more in ecological um land uh farming in ecological farming and this uh is a project in Mexico and um yeah and it I plan something similar I plan to make a movie also about this about Soo it’s the name of this um Place uh where there is this ecological farming and this matters really a lot for the city because it’s in this floating Garden area and um it’s a huge topic also from the water concerning the water and and um yeah many ecological uh problems matter there so but this is of course another um yeah another step to another topic but I also can imagine as I have done for example in the past I have done a project about the Arctic and I have done projects in in the desert zones of uh Australia and I made a publication of both of these projects and I could very much very good imagine to make maybe also a publication of those sorry excuse me of those two projects maybe or or just about the wh we will see I don’t know yet but definitely there will be continuation yes if there are no more questions um I want to congratulate natal for the film I’ve seen him for the first time big screen and for the [Applause] exhibition yes thank you for coming sorry I maybe um I can give a short tour through the exhibition but really um short and then who wants to join I would yeah in German O Okay so thank you everybody for coming thank you Alex for this very very interesting conversation about the movie and your whole collaboration thank you very much have a nice evening [Applause]