Billy Dodds’ Untold Stories

Former Rangers FC striker Billy Dodds shares his best stories from playing at Chelsea in England to signing for the biggest football clubs in Scotland including Dundee United, Aberdeen FC and Rangers. He also talks about what it feels like to play in an Old Firm derby and scoring for Scotland at the highest international levels.

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Billy Dodds talks about what really happened behind the scenes at Dundee FC. An absolute must-watch for Scottish football fans who appreciate the stories of players who made a mark on and off the field.

Billy Dodds Interview Highlights:

00:00:00 – 🏴 Billy Dodds’ at Chelsea
00:07:34 – ⚽ Thriving Under Gordon Wallace at Dundee United
00:16:11 – 🏆 Transfer to Aberdeen FC and Scottish Cup Winner 1995
00:24:24 – 🔄 A Return to Dundee United: Insights & Impacts
00:30:21 – 🛡️ Glory Days at Rangers with Dick Advocaat
00:37:11 – 🔥 Billy Dodds scoring in the Old Firm derby
00:40:59 – 📚 Untold Stories: Billy Dodds’ Most Memorable Moments
00:46:36 – 🌍 Joining the Scotland squad and scoring 7 international goals
00:51:42 – 🎖️ Billy Dodds Dundee FC Assistant Manager
00:54:11 – 🏟️ Taking the Helm at Inverness Caledonian Thistle
01:01:05 – ⚡ Quick-fire Round

Billy Dodds Playing Career

Billy Dodds’s football career started at Chelsea in England, but he soon returned to Scotland, where he spent the majority of his playing days. His career trajectory included stints at several clubs: Partick Thistle, Dundee, St Johnstone, Aberdeen, Dundee United, and Rangers. Over his career, Dodds earned 26 caps for Scotland, netting seven goals in international games.

Coaching Career

Transitioning to coaching, Dodds honed his skills across multiple clubs, including Queen of the South, Dundee, Ross County, and notably, Inverness Caledonian Thistle. He initially joined Inverness as an assistant manager and was elevated to manager in 2021. Under his leadership, Inverness reached the 2023 Scottish Cup final. Despite this achievement, he was dismissed later that year.

Club Career Highlights

Starting his career at Chelsea in 1986, Dodds made his senior debut while on loan to Partick Thistle. His impactful performance at Dundee, where he scored 68 league goals in 174 appearances, was a significant part of his career. He was instrumental in winning the Scottish First Division title in the 1991-92 season and showcased his scoring prowess by netting a hat-trick in the 1990 Scottish Challenge Cup Final.

After a brief stint at St Johnstone, Dodds signed with Aberdeen for a record fee, where his goals were crucial in avoiding relegation and winning the 1995-96 Scottish League Cup. He later joined Dundee United, reviving his career as a striker, and enjoyed a prolific spell before moving to Rangers. At Rangers, Dodds achieved considerable success, contributing to multiple cup victories and stating his time there as the pinnacle of his career.

International Career

Billy Dodds made his debut for Scotland in 1996 against Latvia. His international career was highlighted by participation in competitive matches, including the UEFA Euro 2000 play-offs, and scoring key goals that helped Scotland in their campaigns.

Later Coaching Roles

In coaching, Billy Dodds began as a striker’s coach at Queen of the South, moving to assistant manager roles at Dundee and Ross County. His time at Inverness marked a significant chapter, leading the team to critical playoff and cup final appearances.

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welcome to straight talk I’m Peter Martin I’m delighted to say this week’s guest is Billy dods uh former player and manager as well and an illustrious career that rewarded you with 26 caps for Scotland Billy I’ve been chasing you for so long to get you into this just basically because in a strange sort of way of the players that I have admired down through the years I’ve always looked at your career and I thought you remind me of one of my best Pals in in John Robertson that type of Striker whose work rate was Sensational but scored goals in the area where Robo used to say that’s where I’m paid to do that 18 yard box here you’re telling me that when I’ve just get rid Robo after work with him for a year in vaness two years in vaness um well he was a top Striker wasn’t he so I didn’t move my game in Robo obviously he’s a bit older than me but it was always it was weird because DAV Cooper was the one I L looked up to with kenned oish big backside didn’t have much Pace had to use my brain a we bit and I was quite sharp so I had to model myself as something it was dlish yeah it it it was that your early hero when you were yeah I mean he was absolutely fabulous from your point of view I mean did did you feel as if your career came easy to you because as a boy in Aire suddenly you’re thrust into the Limelight and you the local paper was must have been saying Dodge signs for Chelsea I think they did they come that Chronicle it was um no it didn’t come easily I had to graft for everything I ever I ever had and ever ever get rewarded with was just sheer hard graft and H when my dad being a coal miner um in airshire and my mom working in a salt Factory um it was nothing you couldn’t have any other choice apart the graph so um to get that move to Chelsea was something else yeah I know you’re very of the area and you you’ve got really strong family values that Foundation seems to have stayed with you throughout your career uh when I followed you and interviewed you and chat it to you I’m regularly back down in new obviously see my old deer um my my my dad sadly passed away so um but just to go down and see regly so I’ve got a great affiliation with area still got loads of Pals here and I still get down really often so in fact I end up blaming D mingon bingo another week there take my mom there so that’s kind of Lifestyle I’ve got now P yeah and with that in mind you think that strong link there made it difficult for you to settle when you went down down South for London that was the the the years remember the green phone card you used to get and and I was in digs with Craig Bley as well um down in London and used to right away make the phone call and stick it in you end up swearing in the phone box cuz that beat beat beat when you’re running out of time ever your a nightmare and uh those days you weren’t paid well so you w’t getting just jumping the plane coming up the road so it was hard times even though I was down there and it wasn’t that far away um but then it seemed a life well a distance away a lifetime away for your family so I was really homesick hence I got a we move when I was younger I got a loan move to Patrick yeah just on that point you’ll have to explain it to a certain generation who will not be aware of this but Billy old I was going to explain it to a certain generation Billy dods was a yts what was a yts at Chelsea because I looked and I thought £ 2740 in London even then how did you survive you’ve doed me 10 P cuz I thought it was 2750 H that was my first wage and it was just horrendous at the time you would go down there um the expenses you made a wee bit on that but not much so and then they paid your digs it was horrendous at the time um and the money didn’t help you cuz you you weren’t flush um so that showed you how hard I had to work because it’s not a lot of money at all um getting up early in the morning getting the last chbe home because the young boys at clubs now don’t realize how lucky they are because when you say when you were a yts or or in the youth set up at a club the the jobs you would get where you you just thought right okay I’m go and do my training and do a b and that was it we did everything at Stanford Bridge so it was it was tough but it was good because it stood you in good stad come a match day if you’re playing for the Youth team and really got a bit of gret and determination about you know that I never had it before coming you come that yeah you you would clean the boots I would imagine what else did you do we had two players where you looked after so if there was double sessions you’d have two sets a kit clean the boots get your dressing rooms done um sometimes even a bit of paint around the stadium it was horrendous but I quite liked it cuz it stood you in good stead yeah and if I was negotiating to try and get a wage increase there are two people in London I certainly wouldn’t want to sit down within a room one of them’s Alan sugar and the other one is Ken bit and it’s funny cuz obviously you’ve obviously doing your homework where he owned pck thisle as well at that point it was a big stramash about that as well cuz I don’t think he could be looking after two clubs at once so but he got me up and Loan But Ken Bates was harsh bit Fair yeah and um it’s funny cuz I signed a 2-year yts which I realized when I get down there after I was 16 at 17 I could turn pro and I was probably one of the best players in the youth team and I kicked up you can imagine when I’m scoring all the goals I’m doing pretty well and I see these boys who they’ll jump on to 300 quid a week and I’m on 2750 for the extra year so you can imagine with my dogged H determination I turn through about 17 I got I got and it then they they get rid of my yts and made me upo after a year yeah you could have stayed longer at Chelsea though couldn’t you it was time to leave it was time to leave Ian Porterfield was the manager and um I was it was it was weird because when I I was then Reserve team and I was playing regularly but the way it whated in those days with Reserve teams whoever never played for the first team did play it was a good balance and I still think it could be a good thing I know I’ve never met a player or a manager who’s come into this one to one who has not said what you’re saying they’ve just said bring it back people learn from playing with older players absolutely and you get a we Edge cuz you don’t want to let them down and if you show you’re trying they quite enjoy it as well um I found it helped me but I was I was playing UPF front regularly where they like say a boy called Kevin Wilson I don’t know if you remember him Gordon jury if he was he playing Carri Dixon an odd time David Speedy yeah and if they won getting games for the first team we play with the reserves and that’s who you’re trying to break into this yeah and it was tough and I knew it was time to leave that was your question um but I mean at at the time I was playing and scoring as well I was going the hat trck in the reserves when they types of players were playing and then dund D come in because Porterfield knew Gordon Wallace Gordon Wallace signed me for 50 Grand and I think Ken bat as you were speaking about that Wheeling deal 50% any transfer fairy so that was that was a deal it was done but I had to play first team per I was ready yeah youve you know when I look at the people that you’ve worked under um fortunately for me because of growing up in that era you know you’ve mentioned a name there I thought he was a brilliant man I loved Gordon Wallace I thought he was a really nice man but also I always used to remind people around me who you know have the memory uh of a Nano iPod I would say Gordon Wallace was the top one of the top Premier League goal scor of all time I think he’s second in the list uh I think maybe maybe third because Boyd and mcco gave him a run for his money but also he scored the winner for Dundee in the 73 League Cup Final and I got to work with him a couple of times and he was it was a joy to sit down and chat with he is he’s H he’s he was l a f to me looked after me but he was at dundy United schooly coaching had them all maybe forgetting him Billy KW coming through Gord Wallace John John B never played for uned but he was there H John Hol um try to think a few more but Morris Mal pass yeah that D Walter Smith although I never work with Walter but the coaching was incredible for we Gordon and he he taught me so much he’s not keeping very well know but um still keep in touch with his daughter um and and I go and see him every time I’m up at Den cuz he’s he’s like a fan of yeah first time around though the Dy fans loved you they did what do you mean first time we’ll get to that second I know you’re lead we’ll get to that we’ll get to that second part where there’s a small minority of What I Call Fair well the the what I call the they’re probably on Twitter every day of the week but H I tend to kind of a you know look at the bigger picture but in that right we’ll get there we’ll get there but in that first period I I looked at your stats and I thought to myself 95 goals in 177 appearances is good going in anybody’s book Dody yeah I was I Lear played and I and I did really well in fact talking about Gordon Wallace right my first game was at D Felman away when I was going to make my debut and we get lost my mom and dad and me they drove me for new come to them filment and we get lost went the wrong way turned up half an hour late I was me to be starting bang straight on the bench didn’t he speak to me for a month and bomb me right out the team so that was Goden for you what he happly sleep so it was a hard start at dundy yeah and uh and I was at squads and I was disillusioned and it was it was probably what I needed but it wasn’t intentional believe it or not for a change it was my mom and dad’s fault M who did you lean on though when you’re getting to that point where a lot of people think oh look at dody’s career look at his his caps look at the clubs he’s played for but you’ve had dark days where maybe there’s times you’re not in the team you’re a young guy you’re only 20 how who did you lean out to say listen you know that’s that’s just a we setback stick in probably my pay at the time but but it was that it was that AER attitude that that steal determination I’ll show him and it was weird CU he didn’t speak to me Al I’m saying far new he’s he was he was a harsh on me but maybe I needed it at the time because although it wasn’t my fault and I’m not I’m not trying to get away for been blameless all together but we just get lost in half an hour and I come on as a subn I was bombed so but when I get my chance and I I don’t remember every go Peter but when I did get my chance away love Street and we get beat 32 that night but I made my debut then a start made my starting debut love Street and uh I put us in front me an overhead kick and it went right on the top bin it was one of my best ever goals and um that was me off and running but I had it wasn’t just you joined dund D um everything Rosie again the team and it was wasn’t it uh playing sailing put it that way it was horrendous for a month and a half and you played with some good players on that team did all there was it was really H good players Gordon Chism who has he taught me so much from coaching it’s amazing how when you go on and then you pick up things and people who you played with at dund D and and then took me as an assistant manager so he gave him a coaching chance but loads of good players at that time and H love my time at dunde H had had a ball didn’t he want to leave but at the time Jim Duffy had to change a bit because we were practically relegated and just wanted to change it so four great years there can’t ask for any more brilliant H scored lots of goals and and really got my career up and running and lots of people when they listen to the Straight Talk they’ll listen to who you’re going to picking your five side team they’ll listen to who you’re going to pick uh you know driving in in a car and the other thing that causes great consternation on this program is the fact that you played with some really great players you had good partners um and Keith rght was I mean I loved Keith rght when he was at hibs as well he was a really good partner for you one of the best um he was so hardworking one of the Fest boys you’ll ever meet you do preseason we always hear it you the stories people tell you players um that he was a F this guy was a freak yeah my we legs are going like 100 to the Dozen and big Ted is just Keith right that was his nickname just stading out beating people by 15 yards and 100 m and uh it was it was hard to get to get fit especially the big man antona Caravan and he’s he’s got the cigarette so hard working and underrated as a player as well and good telepathy with you yeah we we had it off um great lad as well you can’t ask anymore so he was my first real strike partner and we really had it off together yeah as I take you on this journey uh I I think you know most people give the right arm just to be able to say they were a professional footballer for 90 minutes and you maybe had you know in touch with one manager but I looked at your list and I thought to myself wow you know you Craig Brown you’ve mentioned you Porterfield Wallace blackle Monroe stain Rod Duffy Advocate sturk and sturk was one guy that I think if I was talking about a favorite dundy United player he was it and he loved you oh another one I still when I see him it’s F that’s that’s what you call him same be Brun when I saw him before he sadly passed they treated me so well but you had to do a job for them but they were good human beings as well they understood the the outside Sport Life as well so they were good with you st was incredible I left him out that dund United scho of coaching because there’s a few stories about him as well he was he was Savage with you but fair and uh I’ve never seen him really like show emotion but when I left UND United he knew and it was weird because I looked at him and I gave him a cuddle and I shook his hand and I thanked him and he was and you anybody knows Paul start he’s not like that he’s Savage he would cut you too yeah and I’ll tell you a story about that later but um he was brilliant for me and another one of that dundy United coaching school who got the best out of me yeah um why was it such a why was it such a short stay at St Johnson because I because I really I was known for a while as the Jinx I think I don’t know if you knew that oh no I know you’ve relegated a few teams and almost got aine relegated but that was in the space a year less than a year you never mentioned less than a year it’s all right really getting three teams in your your full career but when you do it oh you’re close to doing it in less than a year that’s why I was called the Jinx um that’s why you asked the question why such a short States in Johnson we get relegated Jim Duffy decided to move it and try and change it about to try and last G who keep Doney up um I think it was Jord Des Shaw and Jerry Britton that come in and I went to St Johnson they get relegated St Johnston the last day of the Season we won one nil H we never only get relegated by points or a point we get relegated by a goal right so that was horrendous and so we won the game as well and we still delegate so that was two down and it’s funny now but the fans won’t be thinking that but I did pretty well there so didn’t scored a few goals for Johnson scored obviously a few for dunde but then I goes to abine and will he signers and boy does he no let me forget um I we get I got abine into relegation trouble 6 months later so that’s why I’m called the Jinx because I nearly took three teams down in one year yeah but the funny thing about it is mean yeah it know well you you it’s a nightmare for you but the stats don’t lie but the problem is though at those times I mean I was early into uh journalism and I can remember you know I remember the reason why I remember you know your your stint at Aline is because you know what the Press is like when we get a freebie and everybody who attended the Scottish League Cup Final I think the running they gave you you got a bike if you won man in the match a Coca-Cola bike and then everybody in the Press who attended the Scottish League Cup Final abine Dundee they got a set of six classes with the the logos of each team on it and commemorating uh I still b i he got a bik and I’ve still got the glasses and every time I look at the glasses I think that’s Dody Dody scored the winner in that final I think dunan sheer may have get the first one um I get the first he get the second but a right good League Cup run it was funny because I was doing well in my career that’s what I was going to and my teams were failing and I’m not try blame it was f um I wasn’t trying to blame them I was trying my absolute backside off yeah to try and things were going well scoring goals for Dundee St Johnson and then abine I didn’t start well at abine missed a few chances but I was one of those that never had and I just kept going at it going at it and I turned it and then scored some important goals so it worked out really well abine an an Inc that’s one of the best clubs you could go to it’s a proper Club I said that to Derek mckinness and Tony docket when he went there I mean you’re going to a proper club and he came back to me maybe a year later a year and a half later and they said um you weren wrong they were like that’s properly run Roy your manager when you won The League Cup um yes yeah cuz Willie get this I was gutted when Willie left yeah understood what will he was trying to do when I went to abine because there was the old guard and I spoken to him about it where had to change it was the song had to change maybe he could have done it in less numbers cuz I think it was four or five went maybe a couple could have went and um I think given his chance he might have he might have he might do it differently but it’ be the same thing and I could understand why he was thinking that at the time just to you know get a bit of freshness and and and younger legs on the team everybody talks about and one of the reasons why I think you know as you say the teams might have not been doing well but fans always respond to someone who is always grafting who’s always putting the effort in which is something which I always associated with you what in those teams everybody’s obsessed nowadays with formations I presume that Billy dods was at his best when he had Wingers yeah 100% uh the Wingers made me and you’ll see that right throughout my career with the service that I got cuz I was never a flying machine um I was sharp and if I got the ball wide and got in the Box I always seem to be one of those people would drop to or get on the end and make my way runs and all my coaches had something to do with but people like God morace and Paul start were the ones that had the Finishing Touch where run there run there always got to Cross Your Man wait till glances when the ball’s going to come in and move and the balls seem to always had a at Chelsea I always had that n for goals Gwen Williams was my um youth team manager he was browing for me as well but just that Finishing Touch in the uh in the professional setup was a lot to do with Wallace and sturk yeah um did you always like a 442 with a a striker partner did did it that time I could play anything I didn’t enjoy it on my own as I won because when you used a lot of teams then that played 442 and when you went to one you knew it was against a good team and I’d be that one up front not getting much service I just you say Billy dodged doggies left and right and then hold the ball up and try and get somebody near you and try and KN as a go yeah uh I did prefer a partner and I played with plenty and they were all they were all good for me in their own way and and I and I H off most of my I kind have actually think a partnership that didn’t really work here to be honest who were you up were you dunan sheer at a Duncan sheer yeah it was we at times it was boy at times and Willie always picked me before them cuz I was I was getting in the chances I was missing him but I I was I was giving my thank for him and he knew it where it was either boo maybe get left we Jess had occasion or Dunkey was on the bench but will he always stood by me and I was grateful for that when I was when it was taking away well he just settle into the club at that time yeah Jess was a special player I thought he end up moving back should have achieved more yeah I always say that to Jesse one of the most technical talented players I don’t have to get through it all with you but there was times when I bet you when he looks back he probably thought could have done a we bit more but special player I mean some of the goals you remember the goal hbrooks um a couple where he just hit him for range brilliant brilliant technically Brant brilliant football brain to see around the corner and you’re leaving it for him and making your your next run and he’ll spot you um he just he he lost his way with a we bit like abine was struggling at the time yeah and he he he kind of just faltered with him for a we while but then listen he had a br career but I’m not here to have a go he is one of my favorite players to play with um different class I’d love to have seen the stats though and know they’re obsessed with stats now I’d love to seen the stats on Billy dods right left right foot shot left foot shot heads inside the box outside the box you got a few glancing headers um as you said because but bad from my height y cuz I wasn’t near the tallest 5 S twoo many outside the box not not too many not too many a couple couple of good ones but the one that sticks outside the box box was Scotland V bosner that’s one of my best goals ever yeah and as everything I didn’t he do I’m like I was going to I was possible I picked up and and beat I think it was a big boy played for Coventry at the time conit I think he was called yeah I beat him just after the halfway line and I’m running it I’m thinking oh no I I’ve got to get R to get it white to those Wingers you’re talking about and then I drove and he backed off and they backed off and it was a bumpy pitch as well and um NE mam is W and’s screaming it he just give me it just give me it backed off backed off and I’m oh no shut the I had a left foot shot which you ever got a chance to see it and channel five at the time and no many people remember it but a few have said to me you scored one of the best Scotland goals you’ll ever see and I’ve had a left footer for like 19 yards that’s gone right in the top corner and I’m away running as if I’m in it just set up nice off the bumpy pitch yeah but listen any goal at that as M used to say one yard to in or 20 yard feeling celebrate um and you scored more than a few of them um what you like off the park money most people tell you that but they always remember the mo but it’s cuz I want I was so much desire to do well win and probably I did overstate the markting but I gave so much credit as well you never remember that a lot of the boys no we say there’s we Mo there that’s cuz you didn’t know what to learn and listen but you do change you do mow when you get older and I would like to think in my managerial side of things and my coaching side of things I was a people person that helps loads of people and I still get so many phone calls for boys that have played under me and that tells me something yeah um you go I I don’t know the mentality of if it’s as I don’t know poisonous vitriolic towards you but you joined on the United now the one thing I’m not dissing Robbie Winters cuz I know Robbie he’s he you know good lad good player speed and I know why Aber would want to sign him but I I I didn’t get even when I was working in the industry I didn’t get that swap deal at that time my abine career wasn’t happing under Alec Miller for whatever reason yeah and then the move came up and I decided to do it because it did take a few months we start up was on the phone to me and um they were wanted to happen it never happened for one reason or another and um I had to make that move I had to for the the sake of my career cuz it had gone stale abine I didn’t want to leave I were I stuck in actually when I when I moved I still lived in AB get the train down every day a great we set up I had a brilliant set up I was so happy and I was was playing good football but Robbie’s a great boy as you know yeah um and he had the double trouble with me though because I used to P about with the the Fizz of John Sharp at the time and he would have the odd house party or two and Robbie was always invited and every time again and we had a few drinks or Robbie used to say and his great boys you know he’s like you’re killing me so and and I’m I’m not meaning it Robbie you know it’s I was loving my football in my career really took off because dundy United obviously played did that well that Rangers come in and in Scotland and just all started going and Robbie had a we B like me at the time did quite well miss a few chances trying hard just wasn’t happening for him abine um but I wasn’t want to rub rub his nose in it so I just laughed when he kept saying that to me cuz we were out regularly with John CH fiz and Robbie myself and he just here he’s coming you’re the head was in the hands tell me about lugy tell me about the stor you’re going to say about United he was he was Savage as I said but straight talking Brant coach um the the one the best one cuz he loved me he just let me do what I wanted um and one of the ones was he knew I was doing well we’d won a game and I had this we routine I would just put my head on his office when I was leaving and go especially one GA I’ll see you lat I see you see you Monday right NE boy but it was this one time where um this is how Savage he was and he I po my head we’ won the game can’t remember what game it was every H me I get my pop my head down I was like GA I’ll see you Monday and he’s like yeah and he just looked at me and he was like I played really well in fact it was it was Celtic 21 maybe yeah Celtic 21 and he went no bad no bad I went right see you Monday right so I went to go do that tanise Corridor you know GA office to get down the stairs and he went come here and I po my head back when he I said no bad but you’re still the skitter of my little to right okay then thank you see later just scored you beat Celtic yeah but I mean at the end of the day not not as bad as the United players that I talk about when they talk about Jim m but you can see maybe why he was Savage because he had that constant you know no matter how good he was and I thought he was awesome um you’d still get belters from Jim McLean so maybe that was the thing that brushed off on him I think he was a when when McLean Jim mlan was a manager and Brilliant manager and Coach he was as well and he was there as a a chairman with me and I got on really well with him but I to stand up my ground against Jim as well at one point and then he he loved me but I think startup was immediat so you knew how to handle players to know let Jim get to them at times yeah what were you like as a professional off the field were you did you like get out with the boys I highly touched a drink for a long time uh the water’s in Lan cuz it was just like young desperate to do well and then it was I’m not going to kid anybody on it was it was then it was a drink culture and it was like dunde with Denny Pitman Gary Patterson the teams we never had a great team team are actually scared to us at times yeah telling you the boys were mental and I’ve told you the star story I’ll tell you a couple more but things I wouldn’t even dream me telling you that happened in that dressing room they were I’ve seen boys who are crazy I’ve seen dressing rooms who are thriving and the boys are getting on well with one another I’ve never seen any like that that was the dressing room it I was going to say for Hill but it wasn’t for Hill cuz they were all good boys but they were seriously crazy yes how’ you hold your m how did you taught me a lot Alan didn’t you yeah absolutely I’m sure he’d laugh when he heard his name mentioned on it cuz there’s a there’s a few boys of that elk from down that Mary Hill area uh that he’s possible so yeah hard up bringing Hardy gold um he’s he’s a great boy and he’s taught me a lot in life like values especially but um crazy it wasn’t he just Alan Den I mean as I say there was times when we played remember hearts and it kicked off and were you a scrapper were you up for it or was it you just left it to the to the enforcers um I had a couple but and then I was hoping for back up I had my moments but no they boys were they boys were they they could handle theel yeah now if there was one element that I don’t know and I’m hoping you’re you’re going to just uh lace this with a silver lining please tell me your dad was still alive when you signed for Rangers he was how great must Happ be yeah it was he saw my career and he saw me having to dig in club to club and you know the right few clubs um better name in the ones I didn’t he play for um but he was so proud and that was a big moment for me of course it was when he he was a Rangers Fan I was brought up a Rangers Fan and when I when I signed for him my dad you he just see it was he was he support don’t get me wrong when we played Rangers and I was playing for abine he was dundy United they he was want me to to beat to beat them like it wasn’t one of those where rang playing today so um you know I hope you get beat he no no I hope you wion the day son he was he was loyal he was loyal but when it came um when i s for R proud yeah did you take him for the signing no for the signing but but he was at plenty of freeb games Hospitality abolutely stter main course was sweet because they had injuries you you’re suddenly working for uh dick dick advocat who was just Priceless in a place I said Paul startup was Savage I could tell you a few we I I like dicks just thoroughness honesty he would call it he wouldn’t he care if he hurt you know he wouldn’t he realize sometimes he would hurt you um but he was a sped was a sped with Dick and I loveed that about him but hard hard man yeah but when I can remember I think I was at STV at the time I can remember his interview was basically he’s my type of player he he he grafts okay we’ve got injuries but you know for club and Country he’s the type of player that we want here there’s sometimes Peter where you can look back at the club you joined and you thought maybe I could have done more I couldn’t have done more at Rangers Me Myself and Andrew can chel when we out the team extra extra Andrew was incredible you come with me come on really hit it off with him um BR for me because as a Winger played great together scored a lot of goals through Andre um but H dick was he was just he just cut you sometimes but he didn’t realize what he was doing but as I say he liked to call it and I mean there was one I said about I could you look it back and you could maybe do a bit better you thought at times I couldn’t have done any more at Rangers cuz when I went there fund United playing the best football in my career I kept it going at Rangers we won the league and we won the cup so that was a Double Y stting next season it was Dick C his obviously his mindset and his first 11 and I’ll tell you the story why we used to train up steps I don’t know if you remember when H Rangers before the training ground was built and uh dick was always um he was [Music] always he was always wanting to push away on the team but he he had the he had his thoughts in a start living which is fine for any manag you always do yeah but there was no realization that that was coming for me because I’d done so well and I thought I’ve just carried that on I’m a starter comes the preseason I don’t start uh but I don’t think any of it I think we’re playing four preseason games I’ll get two the other boys will get two we’ll share it in not half an hour here 10 minutes here I’m like wow comes to start of season we play CIS at I Brooks um and we we we’re only winning 2-1 and was only 15 minutes to go dafty comes on scores two we win 4-1 then we play St Johnson first game of the season um we’re one nil down with 15 minutes to go I scored two we win 2-1 we go to comeand it we 2-0 down Andy mclan I can’t remember who scored 2-0 down I scored 22 each Kenny Muller comes on we win 4-2 we turn it around got six goals in three games fact I think I can’t remember the our goals but I think I got an our couple was like eight goals in seven games comes to storm grat and I’m out and we’re upsteps training ground and he I’m raging I’ve got my’s gone you can imagine yeah and I’m like wow I don’t know what I’ve got to do here did you have the balls to got the stadium you just he was called the little general for a reason and no but he saw me and I never did anything I was just fuming and he came over to me and he’s like hey bully boy and new I used to do his accent be the worst ever but I’ll give a go anyway but it was he come I’m he’s hey buly boy I know you’re upset he says but you’re the only one of my second 11 that show me you want to get in my first 11 I’m like that’s a that’s a John gager line isn’t it why why am I in the second team cuz you’re to good for3 gig I think about when I went to watch gigs a couple times was like that was his way he’s saying you’re showing me that that you’re doing well yeah it’s not good enough but the six months I’ve had before that when I joined Rangers I couldn’t have done any better I was playing as I say I had combined everyone that the had work and I don’t like the fans like yeah they were singing my name cuz Makey mes was injured and they were singing the same song with with with me but it’s not even about that I was never a selfish person it was just everything was going well it couldn’t have gone better yeah and I was flying and they just cut the legs from me right away and then helped cut him a we bit more when he up the steps training again when he told me that day I was like oh my word ga are you kiding me on the second 11 is that what you think us and a few of boys thought that and we struggled that next season not because we weren’t in the team yeah just because it affected the dress room of we back yeah and was there was there a great was there a greater challenge coming from Celtic then well we we we went h i scored my first M FM debut but we went for that was in such an important game just before the winter break because it kept us seven points in front Y and we end up winning it be 20 21 Point 20 points yeah you were well ahead and then the next season we everything it was happening and he signed a few more players um good players but a few Dutch players which is fine a lot of people didn’t like it but they’re good enough they’re good enough but they never really they never really set it a light and it was a we bit there wasn’t a bad feeling the dress room it just wasn’t it right you just know the balance wasn’t the right in the dressing room and we ended up losing for 21 points the season before we end up losing the league be I can’t remember maybe 15 20 points in next season so there was a huge swing how did you what was it like when your first old firm game I mean your dad would have been in there he had a ticket surely um what was what was it like I mean you must have been buzzing could you could you stop as a professional footballer allowed especially if you’re a Rangers Fan if you’re in that tunnel you you nervous can you remember it you’ll always have nerves of course you would never try and play that down but I was ready because I was 31 and I had experienced a lot in football I was new playing for the national team as well um and I and I I made sure don’t let this game bypass you you’ve had players feel for if you just let the occasion get you get there and it’s over before you know it yeah deep breath no nerves playing well went out couldn’t you hear the 7,000 Rangers fans you know that corner in no not so much nowadays but that was a corner that we’re in walked out and you couldn’t even hear them it was that loud but it was a some people say they couldn’t hear your teammates at times yeah but times did you did you shout you just pet you’d have to play on it to experience it but um lucky I scored I was ready and you know what I actually really enjoyed the game with not a lot of nerves just adrenaline and they pumped up before the game but no J it yeah what’s the best bit of advice you could give anyone who’s going into a game like breathe take your time think about how you’re going to play out but don’t let it pass you by don’t get caught more the emotions and the crowd and yeah you’ll hear them but try and block it as much as you can cuz it would help your game yeah and and sweet if you win it yeah we drew it but that was sweet enough cuz kept us seven points in front and that was that game is so pivotal because I felt as if we’re going to win the league now that would have been it would been interesting if you know they cut the gap on us yeah um maybe another thing about it when when you look at these games and then Rangers obviously going to play in Europe Europe is the bit where you know you can do it at International uh level could you get your 26 caps but at that time I felt as if the you know the champions league and European football it was the standard was getting better and better it’s where you want it to be everyone you had walked hard for for a young boy doing the my mom my mom and dad’s house still is just above the plane parks and you come used to shout on me for your dinner and then you were back down don’t get your school closed dirty you come up and you were absolutely caked by mck and you get cuff in the ear for your old DE um that’s everyone you had what for for there to to go to Champions League was brilliant and that was that was a thing when we dick said that to me about you know the the second 11 the second 11 to the first 11 it comes on against Tom gratson one of my best goals for Rangers Chip to goalie that was a brilliant Chip he left again I was like you can imagine how demoralize you and Andre kept me going at that time yeah if there was the high of signing for them was it really painful leaving no I was ready to leave I was ready to leave cuz I was so far out the picture um Alec MCC who put me back in squads to be fair when he first come in but I was getting older Looking Back Now the legs were starting to not go but I needed to play regular to keep that tip top form so back to United um and it was good there it was I had problems with my achilles at that time it kept niggling as well so it never went as well but um scored some important goals U to0 done in the derby and scored a couple had some great moments and then went on to be gon chism’s number two which I really enjoyed yeah we’re going to talk about your uh we’ll talk about your manag experiences and coaching experiences do you remember any great wind ups from that playing career cuz you you’ve played with a few characters uh oh there’s a few as I said to you I I can tell you everything that went on cuz you can imagine um there’s I mean there’s the the one it was actually when there’s big clubs but you actually got some of your best banter at at the the low clubs as well like Queen of the South and there was some tearaways in in that dress room as well so um and even when I went to Ross County in the coaching career one of the I’ll tell you the story that Ross County um one of the funniest things that’s ever happened to me and it was a bring back down to earth cuz such a high we play hibs um in the Scottish League Cup Final we won it we beat them 3-2 HBS want to win the cup against Rangers that year yeah and great good team to had some players playing we were probably The Underdogs but we w W it we were in a great place um the the the league had set up a midweek game though so we couldn’t celebrate a victory we played I think it was Cali midweek I can’t remember who it was but we had a midweek fixure and we were going crazy about it how can we do this we’re in a national Cup Final we’ve got a league game midweek who would do that yeah but the players couldn’t but I went back to the mar where i’ everybody tickets and we walked in and I I walked in I was my three a piece suit on was beautiful was like I think it was a boss I’m not sure but it was a lovely Booth trousers nice waste coat nice jacket tie with we white looked Lo really topnotch and goes in and my family are sitting in the Mar hotel just under the Kingston bridge and there was probably 22s and I got them my tickets and I’m like buzzing straight up to the what you want to drink what you want to drink run everybody I’ll get it and they do sitting there they had a few before that and they were on so I goes to the bar and I don’t know if you know the mar at that time the bar up there up the we steps the boy says to me oh brilliant result byly tremendous the bman blaring away to him it comes on the tail can looking at the highlight it was the sky it was on WE bits he clips and H I take my jack off cuz I was warm get in the hotel and I’m like watching it and I’m watching the highlights and the boys tell about how that goal was I can through all the goals and I swear to God Peter there was there was a there was a big barrel sitting away for the bar at that time in the mar and there was two women at it and they said excuse me sir can you bring me the menu you thought I was aw J so I I I just wet myself I get down and tell the f f you have no idea what just happened to me there I’m right in there talking to the bman loving it getting all a drink up S I had a quick myself as you do just want to have a right few cuz boys kind of get on it cuz they’re obviously playing on Wednesday and that the women the two women have just killed me the I’m a waiter so you can imagine my family they were passing you you mentioned chz there you went to coaching was it something that you always knew you were going to do yeah it’s something that I I always wanted to do and but I wanted to do in the right manner um when you first come into to coaching big CH tell you how it happened we we I didn’t expect to what I played with him at dunde I wasn’t his best P but I got on really well with him uh we made made a good relationship now speak to him loads yeah but I thought his football was good yeah good team to watch he ear a job he ear a job at dunde he come in when he M left and kept United up so had to give CH a job brilliant coach on the training ground unbelievable taught me you take a bit for every day but Gordon Chism and and and Gordon Wallace and Paul St were my my main ones to go and take take stuff from but uh he was he was just brilliant when it came to the training ground he was a he was a good lad but how it came about we played hibs in the semi-final Scottish cup Celtic beat us in the final one n you’ll probably remember it um and I was not today it was him and Tony dock um who were looking after I was on the bench um so I’m I we sitting along at the end at hamen and HS were giving us a d we’re up one n and it could have been four or five and CH shouted come here I think I’m going to Wi s down why you put your brain I might go the pitch but he just said to me what would you do and I said I would we not hurting him enough loads of chanes were done one n half out the go just having a go get I think it was Colin Samuel up with Jim M no it was Jason Scotland up with Jim McIntyre and put Kong Samuel we can go for forever go do we know too I I I just go goes back not I’m not taking credit for this it something he must have been thinking about but I walked along to the Ed Edge of the seats sat back down 10 minutes later scor two we’re up 21 it was the biggest robbery ever yeah and then I just runs back along I’m like change back 451 kill the game just go boring and big CH always he just that summer uh my contract was up I left the club and and driving um I was going to a wedding I think and the phone went big chis he wanted me become his assistant manager that was it it’s a sliding doors moment isn’t it unbelievable yeah um just before we we talk about you as the the Billy dods the manager International Football if we’re talking about the days when you sign for Rangers and your dad’s proud 26 caps it’s just it’s just brilliant can you remember the first one um my first F star you get me on can you ever forget I’m like I mean I’ve been in i’ made my debut in lvia yeah got my cat cuz I come as a sub and then we go to Estonia yeah and just a f it was a f some I said this is going to play out you I mean sling your out yeah but honestly mental mental everything about it and but I’m starting and I’ve had the words so I’m I’m they’re all going they’re all having a we laugh about it I’m gutted yeah sitting in the dress room and I met I remember Alec Miller funny enough who get rid of me abine um and Craig Brown saying and we knew it wasn’t happening but they’re saying just get yourself ready they could jump off the bus at any time run straight on the pitch and even I’m going even though I’m desperate come on Bry you me a few your time but it’s not I loved I I love Craig he was he was Brant for me the good news is you get a six in the Sunday Mail star check that day for that game my best for a while bruny was a great character um and again International good for you I can’t he just he knew what he was getting with me um and when I come on funny enough Estonia was when I when I’m when I started no come on as a sub in Estonia at tank Castle cuz hamen was being getting a refer um come on against Estonia and we were one nil down and scored two and set up the third him we end up one and 3-2 and since me bruny treated him like a boy yeah really did in a straight sort of way although nobody probably looks at it he liked people who were grafters and could fit into his system you know when I think of the type of players he he stuck by you know it’s a Kevin Galler Chase an empty bag in a windy day a Darren Jackson yourself Bo had some amount of energy all those type of players that would absolutely give everything in a team sense honesty and reliability I think was Craig and he he valued that and he knew what he was getting from you and he he just let me be what I was after that and I became after mcco retired it was my turn to be kind of the main man and he was those 26 caps he even when my my kid was born my first kid uh Eva was born and I left the creation camp and Kevin scored but I was starting and then H he phoned me the next mon Sor of the day the day before the game cuz i’ gone a couple of days early and he’s like can you come back over just even go on the bench he just wanted me there and treated me well treating me properly and I gave him everything I had and he was Brant for my career cuz he just made you believe you’ve heard all the stories about Craig he just made you feel 10 foot tall absolutely he was a great man um what’s your favorite Scotland moment is it the Bosnia herzo that was my best goal my best goal my favorite Scotland moment was probably my first goal and and and turning it round yeah against Estonia what a what an achievement another great moment where i’ been my two goals against Belgium until Big Van Bon yeah come up and and for us yeah and but no that Estonia was probably proud moment that yeah England sticks in my throat as well yeah you know what I mean we were we’ve heard of The Underdogs before that’s probably are hard look it’s a hard luck stories isn’t it yeah um that would have probably been the biggest we were so I know everybody say I was so CL that was incredible cuz even at hamen I thought we played really well schools just goes bang bang 2-0 I hit the bar straight down onto the line behind Sean and I thought we played some good stuff at Wembley we did but that’s what saying I thought we were fine at hamon we just get the Sucker Punch couldn’t get back in it but it wble we just talked about it C Brown making you believe first goal that’s why he kept going we are scoring the first goal we scor this first goal they’ll capitulate and they did and yeah we get it you know the way it played out we’re so unlucky um Christian D’s header I thought it was through one in one big Adams comes and sweeps me and it’s funny because you remember better than anybody when Kevin Keegan know opened his soccer Escape at bread yeah I went over and he said you had us and he he made he told me I never had to say him he just went I’ll never forget how low we were and how we went to our final where we were we were lucky yeah we’ve discussed over this excuse me the course of this program some great highs some great goals um the downside and we touched on it at the start of the program must have been dunde um with you and CH because in any Administration in any situation you have cvas there’s always fans never know the full story and I think you guys get the short end of the stick listen I’ve explained it so many times and yeah it didn’t it wasn’t the way I planned to go about it but um I’ve got morals and I thought do you know what the two guys it was at the time Bob Brandon and call M name them of NE B yeah they were try to leave the club to one another another they were trying to get out they they were the guys that put it in the trouble it was in yeah things chiz and I had to handle as a staff whether it was players worrying about getting paid whether it was as a club going to keep on going we were lucky cuz we knew join Bennett who owned the ground at the time and we knew it was going to be safe but if you ask me I’m being right up front you I don’t have to say this if you’re asking me if I would do the same again I would yeah because at the end of it all people are saying you try to kill the no no Bob Bron and call Melville try to kill your Club we’re just standing up for our rights yes and we could have taken easy way out just say yeah we’ll go along with the CVA we had a we B inside info with um John Bennett at the time who I mean knew it wasn’t going to be like that but my family my dad God Rest him when I said to him you stand up for what you believe son and I knew what I believed yeah and the collateral damage is always the lower end of the it was a hero as well though the the the the Dundee fans and I always respected them Peter because see you watch every goal I scored for dunde United against them I never even looked at the dunde fans cuz I knew they’d be hurting yeah I respected them so much and I’m not try to buy or get back you know we p in the back I know there’ll no change but a lot a lot of dund D fans have actually been like that me believe I know when I got there great to see you Billy listen don’t worry about what happened we we know what happened and they they stand yeah um it wasn’t nice it wasn’t a nice thing to handle when you’re a a football coach player manager to have to handle the business side I didn’t like doing it but I was like that this is not right yeah absolutely you have to make tough decisions in life um when you how did you handle becoming a manager you know in veress I was ready were you ready ready it was um it was funny when h d m scored the winner for me when Gordon get the sack from dundy unit I took one game wasn’t sure how it was going to play out board some of the board wanted me to stay on um but anyway it doesn’t matter I didn’t um I was loyal with with a big man big CH but uh we played fuler and I brought in D mckinness and he scored the winner for me as well so uh I had a we taste it but I knew we being an assistant and then being that I was a I was a decision maker I was fair I was honest ER I could be hard at times not as bad as we dick at times but um it was you you learn as a SE every manager but I was ready P yeah and of course listen not many people can say they take a provincial club and a club from the highlands to a Scottish Cup Final I know it’s painful you maybe lose out cuz I know you wanted to Win It desperately for them I belied that we could win it but you you you get there getting there as well is an achievement yeah but can happen people say that it’s a oneoff you know you were’re lucky against Queen’s part there’s always things get thrown up I don’t care what anybody says we have Pro we proved time and time again we beat K who were a Premiership club we beat Livingston who twice who weree who was a Premiership Club yeah um we gave Premiership clubs hard runs for their money all the time that’s why I believed it wasn’t just a cup though it was the playoffs year before 45 minutes for for the premier league and and really did well against St Johnson until the they scored just after half time then they got a deflection at Florida then we had to have a goal was never a 4-n game but the biggest regret man and vest it’s not even a regret the biggest this for me a for me getting into the playoffs last season would have been my biggest achievement and that sounds D after being to a cup final and also getting to a promotion playoff to the final and getting within 45 minutes of Premier League because we when I say never had a team we where and I know every manager says it but I’ve never seen any like like that where we were ravaged I’d lost my f practically 11 yeah and we were in such a downer because we couldn’t win a game we 16y old boys playing couldn’t put a team at times and then I knew when I got the mall back we going to run and we went on a seven or eight game unbeaten run and we’re sitting in third get into the United game if I got to if if I if the boys had got us to the playoffs again that would been my biggest achievement there outweighing the Scottish Cup and the the playoff final I’m telling you it was that bad an injury crisis to get there would have been a minor miracle have you finished your management no well it’s not my decision here no but you know better than anybody and you had some big names and people come in this building and sitting here talking to you who are good managers who strugg have struggled to get back in here’s tell me desperate to get back in but in Scotland it’s not the managerial Mar ground that is in England yeah and and with that in mind do you feel as if they’d be getting an even better manager now because of the experiences so Shadow business wise H things I had to handle in vanesse um just gathering information of being a manager and making your decisions but H I think I got the best out the players for the the two years here it was for me a brilliant two years and no many people can say to go to a championship club and get close and then Scottish Cup Final and and it it went pretty well it was just it was a hard start to the season I end up losing my job like every manager well at some point yeah well listen it’s a good CV and I’m sure as you know in football these things change people look at the CV people look at what you achieved and uh and we be getting a good man in there let me take you out of this situation um and and just before we finish um I’m going to ask you a few questions you mentioned there I think the whole thing about all the way through your career from the start to the finish of her discussions the family part of it has has rung true your dad shared in so much um I I read somewhere that you you you reckoned that the loss of your sister had such an effect on you that maybe it that made you the person you were as well and the successes you’ve had yeah defends your life really and um made a man of me know that I was a bad person anyway but 26 year olds abine you’re like it’s back to that slay do moment where was hard hitting became a man had to handle things that you don’t have you shouldn’t have to handle it 26 but I did and um my sister was a a an honest really good person playing Just hardworking girl and uh that kind of defines what you are as a person as well so and then a lost small man but everybody’s got a story to tell it’s life we’re all getting older yeah and but those two things that happen your life just made you even more determined yeah well I think when they look back and I think wherever uh your family are looking on you I think they’ll look back with great pride I’m going to give you put you on the the spot now where you might get a wee bit of pelters but you’ve got I bought you my I bought you a car you’re driving across America you’re the driver you’ve got three people to have in it famous or nonf famous um who’s in the car with you uh famous is is Elvis Presley I mean my son who’s 21 just back for Nashville cuz his grandpa um and he loves Elvis so it’s passed through the generations I love Elvis um he would be one in the car um the other one I love my golf people would think you put a football fall not I love my golf um seano ballerus I followed him at tber when Nick price won the open he just attacked everyone and I Stood Beside him in the ropes a couple of times and just heard what he’s like taking on the pin all the time I love that um taking to early as well um what a golfer just just unbelievable when you see some of these programs going back as well so Elvis and bastus would to be a bad tour Y and then and obviously if I’m going to have a party in there it would be my old man and my sister Who Loved Elvis as well so why know a game people carry I’m I will and it’s off boo it’s a it’s Elvis it’s a party it’s a we gave a go on the way with your family couldn’t think of a better one what songs are you picking cuz you only allowed to pick three songs that you would play you’d never get tired off playing in that car oh it’s h I asked this question a few weeks back and one of my alltime favorites cuz it was always when you you’ve struggle you’ve no won a game you it’s on just uh good Scottish group uh rrap it up cuz you would just start again and I love the song it was quite catchy so that me wouldn’t be playing um when I used to have my my days out and my nights out and press we career it was always Valerie it got me going um when when that come on because it took me a lot I wasn’t a wasn’t a booger believe it or not wasn’t it um so I would play that get it get it going and then it would be Suspicious Mind that’s my it was my Alan Denny um karaoke song and what a tune it is so it would be suspicious minds wellis just can imagine that camper van rocking with Boo and it would be rocking and and with that in mind before I ask you about the five aside team that you’d have to pick because you and I play five aside regularly me I’m before you named the five though best player you played against um I would have to say although he wasn’t his best against us but I mean played against a few when you think about it but it was when we beat Germany with the salmon pink strips on y with Don huton and I up front did pretty well in the game and um Luther Mattias was playing sweeper and we actually gave him a hard time but you could see just so many times my word what a player played against a lot pet I mean there’s probably ones I’ve forgetting about like you play against but he was top dra wasn’t he and the best player You’ played with oh jeez um I would POS could have been but and I was signed because of him was Michael moles if he he could have been like the laston was for Celtics yeah he was special and I never saw the best of me I saw it in glimpses and some days his knee was fine when he come back some days it blew up but my word if you’re talking player all around about everything um he could for me he was going to get a big move from Rangers at some point cuz he was class okay and to finish the bit that gives you the grief you played with the right few who’s your goalie in your five a s team I’ve named an 11 before but I’m going to it’s a five side team and um I’m going to have to go with technical players um you you’ll not be surprised no you’re not making it yep I’m Happ all right with that I can I can take that in the chin only because I know there are 2 and a half thousand in front of me that are not making it as well um my my goal I mean so many good goalkeepers from Leon Goram Al McGregor see D Andy rhods I mean you could get right through it there’s loads um snail do Niki Walker just but the the one I would go for shot stop him I I know everybody goes he should stop but he was unbelievable and the reason why I saw him play a game against Sweden I Brooks was Jim Leon because he’s single-handedly saved as last and played in the game and we won one now and how we won it I don’t know cuz he brought off six seven unbelievable saves he was is that good late so at his Peak Lon good the four again I’ll have to leave a few the I 11 but the the one that was incredible I’m going to go one Defender then right and he’s a mate of mine but unbelievable player so underrated was Craig Mo he had everything right I mean Pace strength wasn’t the biggest leaper aggression could handle the ball and I want people in my f side team who can handle the ball so muro’s in there you’ve now got three who are technical who are all geared up to scoring yep H right two guy I I stayed with him for six months when I my house was getting done up when I moved to the angel in Glasgow and we guy smoked in on I’m like how can you play with every time you saw him Billy I just go for a quick flag out problem to guy stayed in the hotel together great lad uh what a reception he got when we played Galatasaray incredible never seen anything like it in my life had to hold the game up for 10 minutes clearing the flowers um but don’t get he him in a box unbelievable velcro boots so I’m going with two guy in the middle of the park and and that leaves me and that go be two in the middle of the p and one I was going to go for Wingers but you’ll be amazed to know I’m no uh Mickey Hazard right there a there a great very like two guy yeah very like two guy Vel boots used to come into the Harlington training ground great with the young boys stand and just keep a b day tricks while he was asking all the boys what they did for the weekend and I mean it would last 15 minutes great with the young boys gave them time was unbelievable rangy passing free kicks in the top bin velcro very like two guy I mean what a play you had to see Mickey Hazard to believe it um and the one player up front I cannot wait for you to tell me who is the man that’s getting the nod out of all the it’s got to be Makey moles mes I can’t say that he was probably the best I’ve played with then no put in my team um he could have just been anything that I never had seen before I’ve played with really good Strikers you started with Keith right you went through them I could get through she’s wind Dees um I’m I’m forgetting a few at Rangers you know that we Rod Wallace yeah and you’re going up you’re going to a better level then and no disrespect to the other boys um big shell olon at dundy night it was great but this guy was he could have been on another planet I mean all the Celtic fans talk about Henry lasson and rightly so that’s how high I put Mikey mes when when he was playing when he got his injury I think was against Bayern Munich only way it was the only way I got to iooks and saying for Rangers was because Micha mes got injured and he’s he would be he he must my Striker Billy it was well worth the wait pestering the life out of you to come in here and talk about your career cuz it’s been a joy goal scoring of course um you know off the part on the part Internationals you know hearing great Tales from you a joy thanks Billy dods pleasure talk man