Find out more about becoming a member of The LocalIn this episode Rachel Loxton is joined by journalists Imogen Goodman and Paul Krantz. Our sound engineer is Rhys Edwards. Here are some links to the stories we talk about:Who’s affected by hike in flight ticket tax and what’s the future for budget air travel?:’Germany lacks a sensible airline policy’: Is budget air travel on the decline?The changes to be aware of in May:Everything that changes in Germany in May 2024How to maximise public holidays like a German this May What are the positives of living in Nuremberg?Five reasons foreigners should move to Nuremberg What’s it like to bring up children in a bilingual household in Germany?Key tips for raising bilingual kids in Germany German noises to help you sound more like a local:Six noises to help you sound more German
[Music] hello welcome to a new episode of Germany in focus a podcast made possible by members of the local today we’re talking about the impact of a new flight ticket tax on consumers in Germany and how this and other costs are affecting budget air travel we’ll explain some of the big happenings in Germany this may including that it’s a bumper holiday month and transport changes when foreigners move to Germany they might be drawn to the bigger cities like Hamburg or Berlin but we are going to chat about the positives of choosing a smaller City and today we’ll focus on nurenberg we’ll hear about what it’s like to bring up children in a bilingual household in Germany and finally we’ll make some German noises that will hopefully help us sound more like locals I’m Rachel loen and I’m in Berlin today with journalist Paul CR and imagin Goodman hi how’s it going hello yeah great thanks um I’m mostly enjoying the hot weather it’s a little bit of a shock to the system but I’m very very ready for May I love may in Germany it just feels like it just kicks off this whole couple of months of just Street party after Street party picnics in the sun people dipping their first toes in The Lakes so it really does feel like a really exciting time and I I really do think it’s the best time to be in Berlin so really excited about that yeah good time to visit yeah 100% agree with that I always just love watching the foliage fill out at this time of year like everything just turns super green and from week to week it’s like the trees are just more and more full definitely I love that from my balcony you can see I’m kind of right on the in the Treetops almost so that feels great it is really nice but I am wondering if it Peak too soon this year because because like all the trees are so green all the flowers are out everything’s out and I’m like this has got to last us all the way through August you know it does it does I mean that’s one way of thinking about it the green kind of changes over time is something I noticed like right now we have this really pure fresh kind of light green and then as the summer goes on it turns kind of Darker and darker and then by August it’s like uh yeah I don’t know it’s like this dark deep forest green it’s not so fresh anymore yeah but still very green we should do a gardening episode now [Music] okay let’s get into it at the start of May the German government hiked up the lft for Ababa or Aviation tax by about 20% this is a tax added to all departures from Germany and the amount depends on the destination obviously the further you’re traveling the higher the tax is but what does this tax increase and other costs in Germany around flying mean for consumers and budget air travel Paul first of all can you recap what we we need to know about this ticket tax and how it affects passengers sure Rachel so as you said the German Aviation tax will increase by about 20% as of May 1st so by the time you’re hearing this podcast it’s already happened in terms of ticket prices the tax amounts to a cost of1 1553 on European flights or nearly €40 on medium Hall flights so those are flights up to 6,000 km or about €70 on really long flights and it’s worth noting here that in Germany an air traffic tax has been in place already since 2011 so those numbers you’ve just heard are the total amount of tax that will be applied after the tax hike so that’s not how much the prices are going to increase that’s just where the tax will be at so in terms of actual price hike for customers this tax is adding about €2.50 for shorter flights or a little over 10 for the longer flights so the tax Cy alone really shouldn’t break the bank for anyone who can afford a quick vacation or a business trip by flight and the German government does seem to think that these taxes are really crucial to the country’s budget especially in light of some of the recent significant budget gaps we’ve heard about here recent figures show this Aviation tax brought in 1.6 billion euros last year and the government expects this 20% hike to increase that Revenue by somewhere between 400 to 580 million EUR annually in the coming years and what are the airlin saying about it all well the airlines are not happy especially budget Airlines like EasyJet and Ryan Air that tend to offer some of the cheapest airf fars on trans European travel have said that these additional costs really limit their ability to offer those budget airf fares to the customers um I recently got in touch with a representative from EasyJet to ask about the company’s perspective on this tax hike and they told me EasyJet was quote disappointed with the increase of the passenger tax and that the cost increase will result in higher airf fares for consumers and maybe damage Germany’s connectivity Ryan A’s marketing Chief had stronger words when they spoke to the German press agency recently they suggested that the German Aviation Market is broken and that the government lacks a sensible airline policy but I think it’s worth pointing out that despite this tax increase the aviation industry is among the most undertaxed and overly subsidized sectors of the economy both in Germany and abroad for example Airlines AR aren’t really charged either vat or kerosene taxes when they fly between most cities in Europe whereas train operators are regularly charged for both of those and additionally in 2020 German taxpayers paid 12.5 billion EUR in support of the aviation sector according to a report by investigate Europe so if you’ve ever wondered why train tickets are so expensive compared to plane tickets well that’s a big part of your answer was that to save the airlines during the pandemic I think some of that yeah but but every year honestly there’s a huge amount of taxpayer money going to Airlines mostly on fuel subsidies mhm do you think then Paul we are coming to the end of budget air travel in Germany maybe as we know it well I think it would be a bit overstated to go that far at least for now as we’ve mentioned customers are realistically looking at a ticket price increase between 250 And1 per ticket so considering how cheap air travel can be I think budget prices plus 10 more EUR is still realistically budget prices at least in my opinion that said I do think we are seeing a slow but steady Trend towards more costly flights along with taxes airport fees are a major concern for Airlines I think a lot of passengers aren’t always aware that airports themselves take a lot of money to keep running and they therefore Levy these fees on airlines who pass these costs onto customers so there’s fees for handling costs for example or takeoff and Landing fees security check fees Air Traffic Control fees among others EasyJet told me that the airport fees represent about 20% of the cost of every flight and kind of a fun fact they noted that the Berlin Brandenburg airport is among the most expensive airports that they operate from really yeah go figure I wonder what Berlin is charging for over there with all of that in mind at the moment in Germany We’ve Got This Kind of Perfect Storm for Price hikes where inflation is really pushing up the cost of just about everything and the government is also looking for more tax revenue and I would also add that as a society we haven’t even really begun to question to what extent we might want to decrease fossil fuel subsidies considering their negative climate impacts so I do think ultimately perhaps some years down the line all of this is going to catch up with the Airlines and so-called budget flights could become a relic of a bygone era eventually in the short term I think plenty of affordable flights will continue to be available to passengers so listeners who might have loose plans to fly to Greece or Sicily this summer can afford to relax for now I think and anecdotally I do think it looks like ticket prices are up a little bit compared to last year but I would say that for now budget air travel is still here yeah I definitely notice that prices of tickets have gone up yeah right I think that seems to be to do with the energy price volatility in general that’s right so that was a major thing last year with suddenly flights feeling like they were costing double but of course they still despite the subsidies still rely on fuel so those prices are going to be passed on to the consumer unfortunately yeah well we’re still waiting to see cheaper rail travel we are from the German government we got the deuts land ticket don’t forget the now tiet yeah Regional trains we can go on before we carry on with our chat I’d like to take a moment to ask you to consider supporting our podcast by becoming a member of the local we are a an independent media outlet and your support is what allows us to produce the news and all of the cultural and practical explainer articles that we write and it allows us to do this podcast if you’d like to join you can find a link to a special offer for podcast listeners in the show notes or you can access it directly at the local. d/p podcast offer so as we’ve been talking about we are into a new month and as always there are a few changes in Germany so let’s get into them we’ve already talked about one that’s the ticket tax on flights that’s been increased Imaging can you tell us what else is important to know this month well the first thing you will definitely want to know is that may is absolutely the month of public holidays uh so much so that I often struggle to remember all of them um so by the time this podcast comes out we’ll have just had Labor Day or May Day for Brits which is just this wonderful wild celebration in the sun especially in Berlin alongside demos and sport of workers rights and the class struggle in general so then hot on the heels of that we’ve got May 9th and that’s my personal favorite Christin himl fart this is really your personal favorite just be purely because of the name you can’t fail to smile when you hear Christy himart yeah so this is Christ driving to the sky he’s driving to the sky he’s traveling up there on the on the big outter Barn in the sky guy so uh this uh is less amusingly known as Ascension Day in English boring I know um but in Germany the fun fact about this day is that it also happens to be Father’s Day so this year is on a Thursday it’s another big public holiday and traditionally this is when men roam around the streets lugging these big crates of beer getting completely paralytic in a kind of touching celebration of paternal love the true meaning of Father’s Day getting really wasted and if you’re truly integrated as a German man you will probably already have booked Friday the 10th off as a brooken TG or a bridging day um in order to nurse your crippling hangover as this customary the day after Father’s Day that’s a good so that is a big uh that’s obviously a big one but then again hot on the heels of that we have Mother’s Day that’s on the 12th that does fool on a Sunday so it is an public holiday and unfortunately isn’t a public holiday ever anyway in Germany double double standards oh yeah we need to write to someone about this he’s the family Minister Lisa pal she’ll be getting an angry letter pretty soon but don’t worry if you if you’re said about Mother’s Day not being a public holiday you don’t have to wait long for the next one because on Sunday 19th we have finston or witson and that’s followed by wit m day or FST Montag F Montag yeah uh which is a public holiday all over Germany and then finally as if that wasn’t enough for all those lucky people living in Barden bmorg Hessa uh North Ry West faia reinand palatinate and sarand and some parts of turingan and Saxony May 30th marks Corpus Christie uh which is a big important day in the Catholic calendar but whether you’re religious or not if you live in these states you’ll still get the day off so lucky you amazing this is a holiday Bonanza month it’s a good year for public holidays it really is I believe there’s a change drivers or people who like to Holiday across Europe in their car should know yes so um among the gamut of changes coming this month a lot of them do funnily enough relate to transport and there is one really important one for drivers so motorists and especially commuters in the south of Germany will need to know about a change that relates to driving in Switzerland uh so previously if you did end up accelerating just a little too hard on a road in the Swiss Alps perhaps parking in a spot you’re not quite supposed to park in in Zurich for example you would be able to avoid fines as a German resident now unfortunately for some motorists the authorities have now closed this loophole they’ve done a crossborder deal and from May you’ll be fully liable for any speeding or parking fines you receive in Switzerland there is one slight get out clause um and that’s the fact that the new Rec regulation only applies for fines over €70 or 80 Franks but we all know how expensive uh Switzerland is um for example if you speed in Zurich you will face a fine of 430 Franks in ouro which is along the German border you will face a fine of 500 Franks so I don’t think you should really hold out hope to escape a fine this way a lot of the fines are far far more than 80 Franks really good to know is there anything else you want to flag up for a imagen yes so we’ve covered the motorists and this is one for public transport users and particularly people who use deuts bar strien arand app to check for disruptions on rail routes around the country this app uh is actually being discontinued this month it will be discontinued by the time this podcast comes out and all of its functions are then going to be integrated into the DV navigator app instead so that’s the app where you can check routs uh buy tickets show your rail card all of those kind of things the people who do really need to know about this will be the people who actually bought their deuts land ticket or their 49 EUR ticket via the Sten arand app um apparently given that this is Germany these tickets cannot be transferred to DB navigator for technical reasons uh too much of a challenge so um unfortunately the people who did have their ticket there will have their subscription cancelled and will need to set up one using another app doesn’t have to be DV Navigator can be a local Transport company just wherever you can buy it thanks so much for that image in Paul you were also writing this week about a change regarding grocery delivery apps can you tell us about that right so unfortunately for convenience fans the grocery delivery apps get here and Guerilla will both be discontinued in Germany from the 15th of May so listeners who lived in Berlin or other big German cities through the pandemic years are probably familiar with these quick delivery services that allow customers to pay for grocery items through a phone app and have them delivered by a bike Courier within a matter of minutes but these businesses have struggled to stay afloat as investment funds have begun to dry up guerillas was actually acquired by Getti here in 20202 and now gettier has announced that it will leave Germany entirely as well as the rest of Europe really as it looks to focus on expanding in its home state of turkey Flink however will continue to operate in Germany for the time being and as the market leader by a long shot it just may be your only option for on demand grocery delivery services going forward okay good to know thank you both many foreigners moving to Germany May typically head to the the bigger cities such as Berlin Munich Hamburg or Frankfurt but there’s a case for moving to to maybe a smaller City that’s slightly less obvious today we’re focusing on nurenberg which has a lot of job opportunities because a few big businesses are within commuting distance including the likes of Adidas and seens but there’s a lot more to this city Paul we’re turning to you because you spent quite a bit of time there and you wrote about this recently I will of course link to the story in the show notes but can you tell us about the city the geography what’s what’s the vibe absolutely so a bit about nurg first uh it’s the second largest city in Bavaria after Munich and has a population of about 550,000 people it’s the biggest city in Franconia which is a region within the state of Bavaria today and I hesitate to get too deep into franconian identity and how it differentiates itself because I’m not an expert here but I’ll just say that Franconia is a region with its own cultural and linguistic Heritage they really kind of identify themselves apart from greater Bavaria and I’ve personally been caught saying something along the lines of like oh this is Bavaria and nerenberg and had locals like stop me and correct me like no here is Franconia actually uh so that’s something to be aware of if you ever visit for some very brief history nurg is home to an imperial Castle which dates back as far as the year 1050 1050 uh my understanding is that due to its kind of central location in Europe the nurg castle became a frequented site for Emperors like Frederick 2 for example and served as a sort of unofficial capital in the region and then later in the 15th and 16th centuries nurburg was kind of at the center of the German Renaissance uh there was like Albert der is this famous German painter that was living there for most of his life in contemporary history nurg was an important site for the Nazi party which famously held large party Gatherings and rallies there leading up to World War II and for this reason the city was also home to the so-called nurg trials following the war which is where high ranking Nazi officials were tried for crimes against humanity today the city is among Germany’s popular tourist destinations in part for the history that I just mentioned and in part for its kind of ongoing cultural Traditions including a giant Christmas Market it happens to be one of the largest in Europe and it’s also home to a significant population of foreign residents many of whom work for the Region’s bigger firms that you mentioned like Adidas or Puma or Seamans why do you think foreigners should perhaps consider nurenberg pole well I would certainly recommend it as an easy weekend getaway for people living in Germany especially for one of the seasonal events like the vks Fest in spring or the Christmas Market I think it makes an easy and fun trip as a place to live I think it really depends on what you’re looking for I mean it’s it’s quite clean and quiet compared to the bigger cities in Germany but it’s still a city and it comes with the modern Comforts of urban living so in this way it can be nice for some people for me one big plus about it is it’s a very Green City you really don’t have to go far from the city center to find you know lush green forests and lakes to swim in it’s also very walkable if I think about how I move around Berlin if I’m leaving my neighborhood it’s always like a 45 minute it doesn’t matter if I’m on a train or my bike or in a car like it’s always 45 minutes to go to the other side of town and if I think about nurburg I would say it’s it’s more like 15 minutes uh you can walk across the old town in about that much time and when you also add on the the ubons and the the trams and the buses then you can really get pretty much anywhere in the city in like 15 or 20 minutes so commute times are are low and yeah in my opinion it’s like the perfect size for a city in some ways obviously compared to Berlin the night life is very limited I haven’t been to any clubs there but there are quite a few bars to check out and so I would say considering its size it’s got some decent options personally I think nberg would be a a nice place to live for someone who’s interested in a kind of quiet and outdoorsy lifestyle or maybe for people who are looking to start a family and Germany um there’s also some good international schools there and the city itself is generally familyfriendly I have heard from a few young foreigners that living there can be a little bit boring especially if you’re focused on night life and social activities you’re probably better off in Berlin that sounds great Paul I how long does it take to get from Berlin for example like on the train if you take a IC train it takes about 3 hours if you’re lucky it could be like 2 hours 45 minutes more often it might be like 3 3 and a half hours yeah um if if you’re traveling on the deuts land ticket that’s an all day Journey that’s like 8 hours and five transfers I did it once it’s rough and it and it must be what about like 2 hours from Munich yeah yeah on IC again it’s like 1 Hour 1 hour and a half um but two hours on a bus or Regional trains it’s quite accessible from leig as well that’s that’s tends to be where the B Bellin train goes so kind of anywhere in central Germany it’s pretty accessible for have you visited imagin I have not um aside from traveling through there um on the way to Munich um I have heard some wonderful things about it though and I think the old medieval city center looks absolutely stunning as Paul mentions for those who don’t know Newburg Christmas Market is the Christmas Market to go to in Germany so I guess being a resident there would be a perk because you could go every year without having to leave your hometown another reason i’ I quite like to visit is that nurburg is not too far away from another small City that’s really on my bucket list to visit that’s the historic University Town of reagens Borg uh which is actually UNESCO world heritage site and also happens to be the home of the sausage dog or dle Museum uh which we H talked about on another podcast so two reasons to visit reagens Borg as well and uh yeah just speaking of sausages as perhaps the only meat eater here in the podcast I also enjoy our sausage from time to time excellent excellent all right know sometimes eat meat sausage now and again brilliant well then we’ll all hopefully agree that the brat forest in this region is just the best in Germany I think so is that a controversial opinion I don’t think so I don’t know I think turingia might might disagree BR this is true but you have the nurger brat for as well um so they’re just different styles right slightly the N ones are all about these small little [Music] they’re like super herbal I would say like a little more strong flavor mhm I think yeah they remind me a bit more of British sausages perhaps I don’t know but I love them and I think that’s another perk of living in that region so those are my two cents right we have to also do a whole podcast dedicated to sausages it just reminded me I mean maybe not a whole episode but oh perhaps a sausage survey I think read a survey listen a survey let us know if you guys want to answer that if you have strong sausage based opinions okay excellent thank you both one topic that many parents in Germany think about especially when one or both of them has a migration background is the languages their children are learning and speaking so what should you think about if you want your children to grow up speaking more than one language in German imag we recently asked readers of the local about their experiences of raising children in a bilingual home what did they say the first thing to mention is that there was really a fascinating range of stories from our readers and such an incredibly diverse range of mother tongues so we heard from readers who spoke Native American youut to their children people who spoke Croatian Italian Spanish Singaporean English so this hugely diverse range languages that people are speaking but all of them had one thing in common they all stressed how important it was to Simply kind of try and Trust the process of language acquisition how natural it is for children and really have faith in your child’s incredible ability to pick up languages at this early age don’t try and force it in other words uh so Paul who lives in Munich and is married to a German um actually said that his oldest child just naturally started speaking English at the age of three having heard it so much at home so she was actually fluent in both German and English by the age of four um and apparently his younger twins are now following suit and becoming bilingual as well we heard a very similar perspective from Julie who lives in Hamburg and speaks English and Italian at home with her kids she said it was best to just try and relax go with the flow and not get too hung up on things like finding bilingual Keers because languages can develop in her words in different spurts and at different speed so everyone’s different but trust that it will happen I love this kids are geniuses they are that they can just pick things up so naturally they can any tips that you can share with us from our readers imagine yeah there was some really helpful advice our readers passed on to other parents who are hoping to bring up bilingual children one absolutely key thing was to rely on the German School System particularly if your child doesn’t have a German parent at home uh so lots of people advise parents to really get their children into the German education system as early as possible and just let them learn from these native speakers which also has the added bonus of teaching the child error and accent free Germans really native type German meanwhile readers also unanimously said that parents should stick to speaking their native tongue with their little ones so stick to your mother tongue within the home and just aim to give the child as immersive and experience as possible by maybe spending time with family members who speak the same language reading them books in your language introducing them to music all of those kinds of things to just really give as much exposure as possible to the native language and in other words this is one situation where you don’t have to feel stressed or guilty about not speaking German so this is where you get a free pass having said that the general advice was that outside of the home you really shouldn’t stay too much within your sort of monolingual bubble and there should be at least one parent with maybe decent enough German to be able to communicate with school teachers overcome these cultural differences and really take an active role in your child’s education and upbringing really interesting I recently spoke with journalist Rachel Stern about her experience and her tips on bringing up a bilingual child in Germany so let’s listen to that Rachel your daughter is obviously very young at this stage but are you hoping that she grows up speaking English and German and if so how are you doing that yeah ra I’m definitely hoping that she grows up speaking those two languages I think it’s really a gift to be bilingual at a young age I did not grow up speaking German and still struggle with the language today and for her she can basically pick up the languages naturally that said I’m using the so-called opal method one parent one language and that’s essentially where both me and my husband speak only our mother tongues to her and so she just gets used to having natural interactions with us in those languages and I find that it has been pretty effective um despite her young age she can speak quite a lot in both of those languages oh that’s really cool so you’re speaking English with her and your partner is speaking German that’s right what are the challenges that you found so far well because she is so young sometimes she can’t realize what language she’s speaking or when she’s speaking it so there is a lot of danglish that’s being used sometimes the other day she said Mama let’s go in cin um because I think yeah go shopping exactly let’s go shopping but it’s sweet because when she speaks one word more often or Associates the task or the action with one parent then she’ll speak that word so another example was when she wanted to put on her helmet and she told me I want to unad like I want to fasten the helmet um but for the most part it’s pretty remarkable how she’ll just speak English to me um and just speak German to my husband because she makes that Association and it really is like she’s a sponge um because she’s constantly saying new words oh my God that’s so cute do you have any tips or advice for anyone who’s hoping that their children will grow up speaking more than one language yeah well I would say just speak your mother tongue um a lot of parents are living in one country and try to pass on their second language to their kids but I would say it’s the most effective if you’re speaking your mother tongue that you have down really well um that said sometimes you might have two or even three mother tongues and I think just sticking with one of those is very helpful um to give an example one of my friends speaks um English and Hindi as a mother tongue and she has mostly started speaking Hindi to the kids um so sometimes just having a pattern where you choose a language and speak with it but you can still make sure that they have exposure in another way is good so you know if both parents only speak English at home and they send their kids to a German daycare K that’s a really good way to make sure that the kid is getting the so-called Community language and I’ve read that before the age of seven kids will basically just pick up languages without even knowing like okay this is English this is German this is Spanish whatever it is they just associate different languages with different situations and so I think just speaking and sticking with it and having continuity is a really good way to go but that said even for older kids kids in general can learn languages really fast so another friend of mine for example um interestingly also someone with an Indian background she was speaking English to the kids up until they were 4 or five and then just said okay on the weekend I’m only going to speak Hindi to them and now they’re starting to learn the language that way but they’ve kind of come to know like okay weekends are Hindi time oh that’s so sweet um really good tips there Rachel thank you so much and I hope amily gets on well with the rest of her language learning thanks me too right guys we’re sticking with the theme of language learning I’m finishing off today with a bit on German noises so how do you sound more German because it’s true that each language and even dialects have their own unique kind of little words or noises that people make in everyday conversation it’s not usually the stuff you find in textbooks so imagin you recently worked on an article about this can you share a couple of German noises yes yes so yeah brilliant I mean who knew that you didn’t have to learn all those crazy long German words like Hawk gusher kites gazettes in order to sound more German apparently you just need to learn to produce a few little noises though I do actually have to say these can be pretty challenging in themselves U so the first one one of these I want to talk about is no uh which is a really handy little noise that you stick at the end of sentences when you’re mid-flow kind kind of want to check that the other person is still listening or hasn’t dropped off to sleep halfway through uh so often you will hear Germans discussing something and punctuating a lot of their sentences with a little no yeah you no ABS a bit like we might say right you know or if you’re British isn’t it doesn’t it so just those ways of checking that the listener is still there so that’s n another really great one that fits in a range of situations is Pooh which is kind of the German version of our few so you’d say it for example if you’ve just managed to make your train you’re a bit tuckered out but you’re relieved the doors closed behind you or perhaps as you close your laptop at the end of a long and tiring work day oh po what a day vas tag that’s a good one it is a good one like I said great really versatile for lots of situations and I think the one most foreigners will very much enjoy using and may perhaps need most often is hair yeah I love this one it’s brilliant so spell with an h and an a with an now that is exactly what it sounds like a way of expressing the fact that you’re at a complete loss at what the other person is trying to say either because you don’t understand their German or maybe because they’ve said something you think is a bit just a bit crazy you know someone says oh you know I think Donald Trump is an attractive man and you go H yeah what what are you talking about um so that one is really great to have in your little little arsenal of noises German noises and it’s a personal favorite of mine absolutely love it thank you for being so game with those Paul do you have a favorite noise or little sound no yeah I like that one it can it can be kind of short like n yeah and then you talk about something or you could really like dry it out sometimes yeah not um and I would also add to this oopsa oopsa oopsa which I just love which is like oops Yeah and and you were also saying imag and there’s oopsa oopsa oopsa yes which is silly which apparently just developed at some point I’ve heard that it is the name of a Swedish town or city maybe oopsa just became oopsa at some point so some people if you want to look very silly after you’ve just kind of dropped something on the floor you want to make it doubly silly then oopsa is your best friend yeah I remember I told my Scottish friends before they visited that by the way Germans say oopsa instead of oops when when something happens and and I mentioned like when they were around my German friends I was like don’t say that just like cuz they thought it was so funny and then they just started going oops I was like okay and Germans were just like what that’s totally normal but for some reason it just sounded so funny to us Scottish people it is a little bit silly I feel like you you turn what is already maybe a slip up into a bit of a slapstick event the second you start saying oops oop yeah sort of cream pie in the face or something it’s oops that’s it for this week thank thank you very much to all our listeners as always we will add the links in the show notes for the stories we’ve been talking about today and it would mean a lot to us if you hit follow left a rating or a review wherever you listen to your podcasts this week’s pan List have been Paul CR and imaging Goodman we also heard from Rachel Stern and our sound engineer is reys Edwards I’m Rachel oxen we hope you enjoyed listening and we’ll be back again next week until then take care