Mark Saggers reflects on the sporting weekend and more.
It’s a cruel way to keep us away from each other it was like a comedy laid on for their Amusement enjoyed that we complied um but distorted people’s confidence my friends we are not on the net we chatted on phone we made sure we had a laugh um and your your your message talks about shopping online and smiling at a person I’ve squished down your message I apologize smile at a person that walks by it’s the best way to do things Tanya from kby thank you and thank you you for watching and listening have a wonderful week I’ll be back next Saturday and Sunday in the meantime over to Mark Tigers this is talk TV want to get to grips with the stories that really matter to cut through the spin in the BS want unvired and fiery debate then join us for cross talk 1:00 every weekday hey very good morning to you thanks for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on radio online and we’re on your smart speaking now you ain’t going to AB an EV it me old Chinas but a new report is calling for a new definition of name all right Jeremy me old China having a conversation with a professional journalist he chose to belittle her diminish her um and use sexist language I can’t stand the word casual sexism there’s nothing casual about igniting and using kind of diminishing and bling language about anyone especially someone who’s trying to do her job when JK Rowling says let’s just be honest that’s all she’s saying let’s just be honest when a man goes out and kills we should talk about them as what they are a biological man and when the media constantly refer to trans criminals when they are biological men as women we will no longer put up with these lies about our gender anymore and about our sex transwoman is not a woman transwoman is a man lee would have to go much further than his statement I me he did say that he spoke clumsily and he understood the prime minister’s position but I think he’d need to say that he’d got it wrong that’s robust it’s going to cause an argument it’s going to cause tension but we’ve got to do it because otherwise this country is going down the path then I had a phone call this morning um from city council lovely woman called Anna and yeah I’ve I just received an email just saying um that yeah I’m going to be getting a badge quite right too quite right too it’s that time again to get the violins out that’s right Prince Harry has lost his bid for UK security after moaning he’d been singled out May might as well be discussing an invasion of DARS for all I really get this but but but I am now on social media having been dragged off my eight PB noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you probably know one parent commented on a review of Peppa Pig that their daughter had begun to lash out since watching the show and added that Peppa is rude bossy a liar tattle tail and even more say it’s not so what are you doing I’m just about to do it oh it’s carry on what just happened missing there was a suggestion by some that maybe it would nice to put a statue of the queen on the fourth PL Mr khah apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m sorry I know what’s I know what’s coming and I can’t stop laughing so he suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet potato that’s quite a small statue then wasn’t there also a prostitute a trans sex worker you don’t really need one of those in chaga Square you just got to walk up to soos Why do you know this because I know everything was he just unlucky getting that question with an ice cream or is it a sign of something more seemed like he was on a late night show to attract a young demographic and U they put him in an ice cream store and once you get defeated by a guy named Begley that’s it you retire from politics and you speak to Rosanna on prime time and have a lot more fun I read the statement this morning from the family and if any police officer reads that statement if you don’t cry for what you read from what the family is saying is heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a police officer the UK I’d say had lots of racism within it I don’t necess think it’s a racist country but it permeates our institutions they’re now trying to say hey we’ve got a really clever idea for the cost of living PR eat cereal for dinner but for her to say come out and vote and buy the way when I was 22 years old and I had an affair with a married man that I knew was married the feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the feminist did fail Heros another she was 22 we’re supposed to have moved on from that don’t HK back on something you did that was wrong talk TV it’s the only place that where you get the truth [Music] want to get to grips with the stories that really matter to cut through the spin in the BS want unvc and fiery debate then join us for cross talk 1:00 every weekday [Music] and a very good evening to you some fabulous sport today and I’m just wondering whether the weekend’s football action in the Premier League with Manchester City winning by five goals to one against Luton yesterday and both Arsenal and Liverpool losing at home today could be the Turning Point still plenty of games to go but now it’s Manchester City with points ahead of the other two we’ll be looking at both of those games today at anfield and first up at Arsenal and Keith hack and Mark house he will be with us in the first half so football to come in the first half we must also say this weekend congratulations to Stockport and to rexam both of those sides up to League one this weekend and commiserations to rotheram who are relegated to League one and car ale who are down from League one to League two very interested to last week or so uh reading Oliver Brown the chief sports writer for the telegraph who is covering the Masters this weekend so uh can’t be with us but talking about uh how football and trouble seems to be back hand in hand it was something as well that I’d noticed when I traveled with my own club Cambridge United to stevenage where there was some young kids who started to throw flares they LED off fireworks onto the pitch and at the opposition and it just didn’t feel quite right again stevenage’s first game had already been abandoned um because the fud lits failed and when we walked out of the ground on that occasion there were 45 police patrol cars some of them coming from all over the county and from places like Watford for what basically uh were 6 or 700 behavioral fans from Cambridge United some wasn’t quite right about that either and it’s certainly not been right with social media this season and with other bits and pieces so we thought tonight that we’d get involved in all of that and uh joining me for uh just over the hour from 8:00 tonight will be Mark wton former Queens part Rangers and brenford Rangers and Forest manager Michael dubry the former Chelsea Defender we’ve got Joe hemings who’s a behavioral psychologist and Vince bartrum the former Arsenal and Bournemouth gold keeper as well and Theo Delany the Spurs show at life goals and Craig Beasley up the cherries in all departments will also have plenty to say as will my co-author in our book plag on all our sports covid related as well where were big problems and we write myself and Prof Bill uh a lot about what happened with England and with other others not just during that tournament but at other times as well uh personally uh just to say I remember I’ve covered so much football hooliganism right the way back into the 80s um and uh very much at that stage a young aspiring broadcaster but working at the BBC Sports and out side broadcasts department and remember only too well Heisel and Hillsboro of course and the great Peter Jones The Great Lake Peter Jones commentator summoned by Margaret Thatcher to number 10 to exactly find out what what it was all about and at that time progressing forward with the change and sky and of course things settling down internationally there has always been an undercurrent so we’re going to be talking about all of that in the second hour and uh just after that and then we’re going to finish up with all the ladies from Jeremy T who is uh in Augusta uh for us tonight as the Masters comes to a climax the leaders don’t go out and 7:30 uh Tommy Fleetwood has always already birded the second to go one shot closer I think he’s four or five back now at two underpar but we’re going to start tonight with the weekend’s action from this afternoon Manchester city did what they had to yesterday as they seemingly always do when needed 5-1 win in the end with a pretty uh great finish from Manchester City to win that one over to both our Aral and Liverpool today Arsenal at home to Aston Villa Villa themselves delighted with what happened to Spurs yesterday we’re beating 4-0 at Newcastle United giving Villa the chance to get into fourth and up to uh the opportunity of getting a Champions League place as well I think they probably played a perfect game today and uh they did so really um as unai Emory had them defensively in a quality shape throughout they broke better they had the odd slice of luck but they also hit the woodwork twice before two goals in the second half from Leon Bailey and from ole Watkins both really well taken put Arsenal away at the stadium in London this afternoon so let’s start there with Richard Butler and with Howard Hodson and Howard a couple of weeks ago you see you were on this show just not really in a mood to even talked to me after after filler had had got beaten and and this is just the game today was a fantastic performance I think from Aston Villa don’t you yeah and you know Mark when I got the call from your producer Chris yesterday said do you want to come on oh no it’s Arsenal away this could be another difficult conversation but uh year of little faith I mean um they were magnificent today I mean you know Arsenal started fast and you know really good for 25 minutes or more and odard was running the show but we dug in we dug deep we defended well and then and then we slowly got more and more into the game and then the Watkins the first opportunity where he’s you know done everything right hit a fantastic shot and so unlucky he’s not just hit the post in inside of the post and somehow stayed out um and then they go down the other end and really it’s a dreadful Miss from shot out it’s a great great save from Martin he had no chance at all he should TR should have pared there and and from there on the game really evened out in the second half you know I don’t think I’m being unkind to say we we totally deserve the victory I mean we you know we we were the better side in the second half quite comfortably and um you know again we had you know the bad luck with the woodwork and it looked like you know just wasn’t going to be our day where you know T fabulous shop and it’s h the crossbar and the post and um you think okay it’s not going to be our day but don’t lose for God’s sake don’t lose but so much into it and then the last 10 minutes the great being credit to the Villa players they didn’t seem to get bothered by these unlucky moments they just kept going and Arsenal lost their way they weren’t breaking us down at all in the second half we had more possession in the second half than them and uh you know yeah Leon Bailey took his goal really well you know it looked it looks uh it’s easier than it sorry harder than it was and then and and took it really well and then the Watkins finish is just fantastic great news for England isn’t it to have a striker and that sort of form of the Euros coming up you know so yeah the top four is massively back on it’s back in our hands yeah no it absolutely is and uh I think you’ve you’ve explained uh how all the away fans would have felt this afternoon at the Emirates but um I have to say rich as far as Arsenal are concerned I thought that these were the sort of games after last year chasing Manchester City for such a long time ironically we’re also covering the Masters here where perhaps you need to go down that last nine in the first two or three to to understand what it’s like before you finish it off and I thought Arsenal actually were were a little disappointing after running out of steam a bit against uh Villa who knew exactly what they were doing defensively yeah I mean I’ve been saying for a few weeks now that I thought that Arsenal would learn the lessons from last season we looked a lot more mature as a team and it looked as though we were dealing with the pressure because there’s been pressure now for the last four or five games and we’ve come through and I fought against Bayern Munich in the week we that game drifted away from us after a Bright Start and I was a little bit worried today how would we respond to that um and again we started pretty brightly for 10 15 minutes and then after that it was a very even game I’ve got to give um astonvilla credit today the second half in particular they were brilliant yeah they deserved to win that game we wasn’t at our best at all and is it the pressure again you know we’ve said this before um in the last three or four season you know we’ve got ourselves into good positions whether it’s in terms of the title last season this season it was a top four the season before and we wasn’t quite able to get those things over the line and are we still going to suffer that again this season you know we’ve got a big Champions League game on Wednesday all to play for there and of course today we needed to win um and the important thing is if you can’t win don’t lose you know a draw wouldn’t have been the end of the world it wouldn’t have been great because you don’t want to be chasing Man City with six games to play you want to be ahead of them and let them chase you unfortunately today yeah whether it was a pressure I thought Aston Villa played really well unai Emery knew the game plan that was needed to beat us and asona carried it out to Perfection and it was the perfect away game for them but it’s just I’d always like to have known what could have happened if we had been at our best today yeah would our best have been good enough to have beaten that Villa team who played really well I would like to think it would have been but again the pressure seems to have got to us and that second half today that that’s a worrying sign now looking at the last few games of the Season it looks more like we’re going to end up empty-handed again which would be so frustrating when we played so well for so long but how do we get it over the line that’s that’s the that’s the next step now isn’t it it’s all well playing well for 32 games in the league or 31 games how did you get it over the line and that’s what we’ve going to have to learn and we’re going to have to learn it quickly just yeah I mean a little bit on that Richard just to follow up with you I mean Declan rice had a couple of efforts but you know they weren’t Declan Rish if I could put it that way you know there was nearly snatching a little bit you also missed another couple of other uh really good opportunities yes you you hit the woodwork again as well but you felt when Villa took the lead that uh it was then going to be a real struggle for Arsenal um and and something I didn’t really quite expect yeah I mean what seemed to happen was yes it was quite late in the game when Leon Bailey scored and it was poor defensively but as soon as that goal went in it’s like Arsenal didn’t know how to respond you know oura made a couple of substitutions we had no shape we had no pattern and it looked more likely astonvilla would get a second goal than us get equalizer that’s what it looked like was going to happen and of course we gave the ball away and Villa have got the players to take advantage I mean you’re right absolutely about OE Watkins what a brilliant season he’s had and what a a great player he is and he’s not going to play much in the Euros you wouldn’t imagine with Harry Kane as the the center forward but what a player to have in the squad you know and there’s talk of maybe Arsenal being interested in him would a player like Ole Watkins have made a difference this season for Arsenal an actual goal scorer 25 goals he’s got 26 goals he’s got this season would that have been the difference for Aral we don’t know be kio’s got 18 goals he’s not far behind I suppose but he’s not a center forward and I don’t know to today I’ve been wanting this team to respond and and prove that we can do it and we can deal with the pressure and today I’m afraid I’ve still got the doubts um that we can’t and it worries me are we ever going to be able to this was a big opportunity for us this season we’re never going to play better than this we’re never going to have as so few key injuries as what we’ve had over the last three or four months it’s never going to happen again you know Liverpool have got all those games and the pressure that they and Man City I don’t know you look at them and you think well is there any stopping them because I can’t see it well I mean that’s the thing isn’t it that you you start making um uh mistakes later on in games or that you know you don’t get across the line when perhaps you you you thought going to the game you were going to Manchester City just seem to go on and on at this stage and that’s what make Champions but Howard from Aston Villa’s point of view there I’d laugh at that particularly if you get into Europe I can’t see Aston Villa telling olle Watkins I would take an absolute yeah I don’t think any amount of money not and he’s under the long-term contract look you never know in foot do you I mean yeah um uh and we are I think there are we do have a few ffp pressures but I think the players that we could sell to ease that wouldn’t be Watkins no um I obviously if the play really push for you haven’t got you haven’t got a little hotel nearby have you that um one of the owners owns that you could flog back to yourselves as start mark this Chelsea business it’s just it’s outrageous disgusting awful and you how is that even allow it’s ridiculous but um but yeah no yeah let’s stay on Happy um yeah uh you’re Shake defensively as well today was really good it was brilliant you know like you it was very surprising actually because Villa weren’t good last week against brenford um conceded three really bad goals and uh you know we Fe the worst today I gotta be honest with you I didn’t go into that game of huge expectation um but no they were like they were like the Villa of you know a month or two ago they were right they had the their zest Emory got his tactics absolutely spot on it’s clearly a huge game for him um you know with what happened at Arsenal um and uh you know he’s on a mission to prove people wrong in this country and my word he’s doing it I just wanted to mention as well Mark two quick things my my uncle Russell died uh yesterday my dad’s younger brother and he was a huge biller fan so that was a great one for him today he was only 66 and also um Ron Saunders on this very day our great late manager um we lost at home to I which in 1981 on this day and and we were going head-to-head for the title of it switch That season and uh we lost home to Alan Brazil scored a goal and everyone thought that was itps which are going to win the title and Ron Saunders went on the pitch um and I think Barry Davis was interviewing and he said uh do you want to bet against us and that’s what I’m saying to the Spurs fans tonight you want to bet against us uh just one final thing to you um as well with as far as a quarterfinal is concerned then the second leg against Bayern Munich um the beware the a wounded side as well because Bay lusen have won that German title for the first time today so Munich you know and Stuart and Munich after that so they’ll they’ll be after you lot again it was going to be a tough game anyway wasn’t it let’s be honest I mean we saw last week didn’t we our a good side Bayern Munich are and I think sometimes when you know you’re in a position in your domestic League where maybe the title slipping away you’re still in the Champions League you’re going to throw everything at that now we’re kind of in that situation how our with results today so maybe Wednesday night is an all or nothing for both clubs isn’t it it’s The Season’s resting on that game for both of us and whoever wins and go through is going to have a great chance to maybe go all the way in the finals so um it’s it’s going to be tough we know it’s going to be tough over there and it’s going to be a massive test for this team now to bounce back after today’s really poor second half performance and we need to be better and but yeah Bayern Munich are going to have to go all out for the game aren’t they because let’s face it they’ve got nothing else to play for so they’ve got nothing else to lose they might as well try and win against us so it’s going to be tough but I don’t know I think we might surprise a few people on Wednesday you know I think we might actually go out there and and get the result and who knows where we go after that I mean wouldn’t it be great you know we we can’t get the Premier League over the line but maybe the Champions League might fall for us who knows it might well be um guys thank you very much indeed Richard and had supporting your team and very much part of the Sunday night club and a terrific result for Villa not for us Arsenal but a big game in Europe to come on Wednesday 2-2 of course from that first leg um at Arsenal we’re going to be talking Liverpool beaten by Crystal Palace today at home big win for Palace they beat Manchester United earlier in the season away from home as well didn’t they they’re having a good time of it right [Music] now hey very good morning to you for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on radio online and on your smart speaking now you ain’t going to AB an eve it me old chin but a new report is calling for a new definition of name all right Jeremy me old China o Tre when JK ring says let’s just be honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just be honest when a man goes out and kills we should talk about them as what they are a biological man transwoman not a woman transwoman is a man Lee would have to go much further than his statement I mean he did say that he spoke clumsily and he understood the prime minister’s position but I think he’ need to say that he got it wrong then I had a phone call this morning um from PR city council a lovely woman called Anna and yeah i’ just received an email just saying um that yeah I’m going to be getting a badge quite right too quite right too it’s that time again to get the violins out that’s right Prince Harry has lost his bill for UK security after moaning he’d been singled out May might as well be discussing an invasion of darx for all I really get this but but but I am now on social media having been dragged off my 8 pound noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you probably know what are you doing I was just about to do it oh it’s carry on what just happened Miss there was a suggestion by some that maybe it would nice to put statue of the Queen on the fourth BL Mr khah apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m sorry I know it’s I know what’s coming and I can’t stop laughing so he suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet potato that’s quite small statue then wasn’t there also a prostitute a trans sex worker you don’t really need one of those in chaga Square you just got to walk up to soos Why do you know this because I know everything uh was he just unlucky getting that question with an ice cream or is it a sign of something more seemed like he was on a late night show to attract a young demographic and U they put him in an ice cream story I read the statement this morning from the family and if any police officer reads that statement if you don’t cry for what you read from what the family is saying is heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a police officer the UK I’d say had lots of RAC them within it I don’t NE think it’s a racist country but it permeates our institutions but for her to say come out and vote and buy by the way when I was 22 years old and I had an affair with a married man that I knew was married the feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the feminist did fail her we she was 22 we’re supposed to have moved on from that don’t honk back on something you did that was wrong TV it’s the only place where you get the truth [Music] well it was just 14 minutes into the game at anfield when e put Crystal Palace ahead it stayed that way right the way through a vital three points which really gives Crystal Palace and Oliver glaz the opportunity to go on and stay in the Premier League there’s no doubt about that it was a decent performance as well uh but once more it was Liverpool falling short at this stage and what only a week or so ago looked as if it was going to be still a fantastic final season for Jurgen klopp that smile we see after they’re about to be beaten was uh back again today uh in a different way uh Paul uh is with us Liverpool podcaster and Matt as well team called Palace podcast gentlemen great to have both of you with me here today I’m going to come to you Matt first if I may and that was a that’s a big win to set up your finish with just a few games to go yeah it is because as you said we were still kind of looking over our shoulders but that win is massive for us I think a few more points on the board and we will be safe hopefully we can have a really strong end of the season and a really good summer and then of course next year Oliver glaser’s First full year who knows you know we could finish in the top half it’d be nice yeah no absolutely would be Paul put your finger on it for me today um well at the moment the pain is so cute it’s hard to but I think do you remember the man united FA Cup game we looked like we were quite arrogant in a way like there were people saying We W finish our dinner um but I don’t mind at least we looked sort of like we had talent and creative then we had the game then the league United game against United and the finishing was terrible um and the last couple of days though I think it’s it’s knocked our confidence a bit and we look a bit tired um and and actually today one of the guys in my Liverpool group out the out the b word I think we bowled it a bit because I think the chances were just got running through quickly obviously Jones is thrown goal he’s lost it he’s lost his bottle I think J who is lethal we’ve all been waiting back and waiting to come back he really I thought was quite a safe pass that sort of open goal good defending but confident Jo put his foot for it and I think um Salah as well was kind of slow obviously um Mitchell done really well to get around the back of him but again it was like he sort of swung his toe at it and even the passing they’re scared to pass it quickly they scared to Pop the ball everything’s safe and it looks like we bought it a little bit I mean we can get this at Atlanta game it might change our season I want just one more question at this stage to you about that pull for me as well I mean Palace from early only okay they scored the goal early but they also had other chances at that stage didn’t seem to have too much trouble against the Liverpool defense as you say that didn’t seem to keep itself composed as it as I’ve seen earlier on in the season yeah there’s been a little bit of rotation obviously kood actually a stat and he’s played more games than Allison this season then Kwanza comes in canate comes in uh timas started um the other week and I think there’s a bit of Disconnect there um endo’s coming back from injury I I I don’t know I mean I I I love playing the sort of armch pundit game but I’m I’m I’m at a loss it it might be it might be confidence or something because it’s it’s two weeks ago we were flying yeah and we’re not playing well at all in the last two games yeah and it’s uh there’s a lot of games for a lot of clubs coming thick and fast at the moment as well isn’t it I mean you I think you’ve got you’ve got two big games including a Mery side Derby and about the space of three games coming up haven’t you in the three days coming up yeah I mean I was saying probably got more chance to win in the Europa now even 3-0 down probably better chance for us if we can if we can grab that if they can just go in and just be concentrating and go look they beat us 3-0 we can beat them 3-0 that will change our season but I’ve been saying that for the last couple of days now this will change our season this will change our season Arsenal losing is giving me hope not just because of the league but just remember that teams lose like yeah we’ve got a lot of points this season yeah yeah it’s just whether Manchester City lose not very often do they at the moment they’re still still doing what they’re doing uh as far as Palace are concerned and we’ we’ve mentioned glasner there and and what he’s already uh doing Matt what’s important I think is you know in a way a default and with de Roy and the problems that that he had healthwise and what have you but um you seem to have have fall on your feet here with the right man now and a man that certainly gives you a a little more and I think more confidence again with those players he’s obviously doing a lot of good work uh on the training ground yeah absolutely and I think first and foremost he seems like a really likable genuine guy which obviously massively helps but he’s also a very good coach and when you look at what he did in Germany obviously winning the Europa League with ir TR Frankfurt you know he’s he’s no mug and I think in the early kind of stages of his panace career we’ve all seen what he’s trying to do I don’t really feel as though until today he’s possibly got the points on the board that he maybe deserves but obviously having e and Alis back on the pitch together that massively helps you know you look at our team today we’ve still got we’re playing a back three and we’ve got one out and Out Center half so from that point of view I think he’s done remarkably well and you can definitely see the kind of building blocks that he’s trying to put in place yeah look um absolutely can what’s next for you now because uh you you’ve just got that bit of breathing space haven’t you yeah as I said I think we need to try and keep on getting a few more points on the board because we’re not mathematically safe yet obviously today massively helps but yeah I think a strong ends the season and then I think also I mean it’s quite nice in a way that Oliver glasner has had this time to have a look at the squad because it is going to be a really big summer for us you know we do need to spend a bit of money we need to back him and then as I said you know next season who knows I think realistically for Palace obviously we’d love a cup run um we’d love to try and challenge sort of being in that top half you know not going to sit here and say we’re going to be challenging for Europe or anything like that but hopefully a bit of progress because on the whole this season has been fairly disappointing but days like today really do sort of give us hope moving forwards and Liverpool I mean you never say anything about them not finishing it off and completing it and doing uh what they can but it’s a little bit of an uphill struggle now and and as you mentioned 3-0 down as well to at Atlanta before Thursday’s second game yeah I mean it’s funny clubs we’ve actually got quite a few players back now but I’m wondering what he’s going to do like and if he’s going to rest players and go because we’ve still got we’ve still wi it obviously we’re still in it and I guess we’re waiting for Man City to play Tottenham which is a couple of games before the end of the season that’s the most realistic one so you’ve got to be in it then so I I again I’m not sure what he’s going to do knowing klopp I think he’s got to go for a win because they need to win and they need to get their confidence back and then take it today if we can we can get through or at least win the game then beat Fulham then I think we can all breathe for a moment we’ll be out of Europe anyway um if we just win two-nil but get the confidence beat Fulham and just stay in it because the Tottenham game I was hoping Villa would do well today so and obviously we have to play Tottenham as well but I have to look ahead at Man City and just think okay win our games and then Tottenham man city is all about that game because tottenham’s record against City’s great anyway and they they’re neck in neck with Villa had a shocker yesterday today course Spurs yeah yeah but and it’s funny as well it’s quite ironic because the what’s it called the Coe Coe coefficient so Liverpool not doing well against Atlanta means that actually Tottenham and Villa probably have to really work hard to you know get forth because they may not be fifth anymore yeah so I don’t know might might be better we lose anyway um Ju Just one final thing and we’re we’re asking every we’re going to talk about this more I mean have you noticed any anything um within the club so we’ve seen some of the bad behavior on social media with fans taunting others and and actual fan other fans quite rightly filming this and shaming and naming them are you do you do you feel as if that that that there is a sort of control that’s got to be needed again particularly after all of the difficult times we’ve all had with covid and perhaps people just expressing themselves a little bit over the top at the moment against the opposition if I could come to you first Matt yeah I think the point you rais about covid is a really important one because obviously we all at that time when we weren’t in stadiums and it does kind of feel as though since you’ve gone back in some of the fan Behavior hasn’t been particularly good um obviously you know we we all suffered so much when we couldn’t go to games and the last thing that you would want is for games to be behind closed doors again so yeah I mean as always we’re talking about a minority um you know a very silly minority but it is a minority the majority of football fans are very good but yeah we’re just being let down by a few people at the minute yeah I mean what you know this program which which is very much a fan program here that we’ve built on this Sunday night club and uh even though T talk TV is not going to be there we’re still going to be with you with our two podcasts with uh our streaming show and of course back on talk radio which the station I think is going to be called talk so nobody’s going to miss out and we’re going to continue to do it in the way we are with everybody uh we can all see each other and what have you uh and with that in mind as well Paul for for you guys I mean you’ve seen all sides of of this in the past as as a club as well and uh some of the most terrible things that that have happened as well to Liverpool fans it’s it’s something we we need everybody to get together don’t we and and not not see some of the some of the stuff that’s going on at the moment yeah I think klopp spoke about it and I’ve seen some of the um Liverpool podcast I watched they they they’re trying to stamp down on the um hillsb the Munich um chanting um I think there’s a bit of an issue with uh sort of Class A a half time sometimes before like it seems have come up it I guess it’s just Generations isn’t it um we had late was mid 70s to the late 80s obviously and then all seaters premier league and then like you said then Co might have been another sort of like a you know a point that where something’s change and it’s a new generation and I don’t know I mean the fun thing is social media will find everything yes but but I’m not sure of the actual uh arrest rates and if it’s gone up or not obviously social media if you find people is going to magnify everything isn’t it so yeah that’s a really good point that that that is a very good point that you’re making there that it makes it perhaps it seem more than it actually is and I think that Paul you’d agree with what Matt was saying and what I found on this program you know we we’re all fans of these clubs but we also are fans of other fans when we when we can meet and have a good old laugh about things that we’ve done well and not yeah and we’re fans of other teams players obviously I’m I’m local to Palace um my kids like Palace as well like Alis e they’re great players to watch um and you want them to do well um not too fan of un I’m fan of um fond of United to be honest that’s fine not a normal rival but not just because that but just because they seem to be our bogy team at the moment um just can’t get rid of them um but yeah yeah it’s it’s all about just enjoying enjoying the football and then um enjoying the Euros as well still got a few more weeks to go go yeah got just a final thought from both of you on the the Euros here from from what I’ve seen with with some of the players NE again today some of these youngsters GTH southgate’s got to H he’s got to play a more expensive game for me and and let our our younger quality come through and okay if they don’t win it this time get the players in who next time uh when it comes to the World Cup um they you know we’re qualified for that that that they can get there this this sort of shielding everything and then we never quite make it happen is not for me anymore you Matt Matt go for it yeah I think at some point you know we need to we need to go over the line don’t we obviously we’ve had a semi-final we’ve had a final um we’ve got some incredibly talented players you know likes of Bellingham and foden and Kane leading the line it’s all very all very well saying that you know at some point in the future we might do it but you know this might be our best opportunity so yeah for me he’s got to go for it and also realistically this could be his last tournament so yeah I think he’s got to go for it the shackles got to go off because we can all see the quality that we’ve got and I mean to be honest with you barring probably France I don’t really fear anyone so yeah fingers crossed for the summer yeah in the in the Euros you’re right on that one Paul um and I guess would you’d agree with that yeah I mean my my mate was um ribbing me today about Co Jones I’m a big fan and after he missed that chance and he doesn’t see why I see but I think a lot of people do see that sort of like you know press resistant that sort of type of player yeah when you’ve got those type of players and they can they can get forward you don’t have to play as so many defensive midfielders so and apart from that as well if South Gate can get into using Subs bit quicker yeah that might help like you just enjoy it enjoy what you’ve got you’ve got so many attacking midfielders just get rice let rice hold Trent can invert sometimes if you’re losing and then just let them play Bellingham foden sacka greish Watkins Tony loads of players Don’t Fear the opposition we’ve done too much of that yeah just enjoy it yeah absolutely couldn’t say it better uh Paul and Matt thank you both very much indeed as always uh for joining us terrific chat on the football we’re going to be talking to Keith ackin and Mark howy next uh our refereeing um I got some some good and some bad things to talk to them about as well coming next here on the Sunday night club don’t forget our podcast back at the stand the highlights of tonight if you’ve only just joining us You’ missed some great guests already and plenty more to come with the Masters at the moment and Sheffer still waiting to go out with maraa that’s they’re out just after well they can’t be that far now before they are out actually but perhaps they’re even on the first they probably are at the moment and I’m just looking up away from you that Homer’s in third at the moment from orberg and uh Smith so um there we are we’ll keep your right up to date with that and in the last hour We’re off to austa as well it’s the Sunday night club it’s talk TV not for much longer but for us we’re hanging on in there and we’ll continue to the rest of the season and Beyond on [Music] talk hey very good morning to you thanks for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on radio online and on your smart speaking now you ain’t going to AB an eeve IT me old China but a new report is calling for a new definition of cck name all right Jeremy me old China o o Tre when JK ring says let’s just be honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just be honest when a man goes out and kills we should talk about them as what they are a biological man transwoman is not a woman transwoman is a man lee would have to go much further than his statement I mean he did say that he spoke clumsily and he understood the prime minister’s position but I think he’ need to say that he’ got it wrong then I had a phone call this morning um from city council lovely woman called Anna and yeah i’ just received an email just saying um that yeah I’m going to be getting a badge quite right too quite right too it’s that time again to get the violins out that’s right Prince Harry has lost his bid for UK security after moaning he’d been singled out you might as well be discussing an invasion of darx for all really get this but but but I am now on social media having been dragged off my 8 pound noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you probably know what are you doing I’m just about to do it it’s carry on what just happened there was a suggestion by some that maybe it would nice to put a statue of the queen on the fourth PL Mr KH apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m sorry I know what’s I know what’s coming and I can’t stop laughing so he suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet potato that’s quite small statue then wasn’t there also a prostitute a a trans sex worker you don’t really need one of those in chaga Square you just got to walk up to soos Why do you know this because I know everything was he just unlucky getting that question with an ice cream or is it a sign of something more seemed like he was on a late night show to attract a young demographic and U they put him in an ice cream story I read the statement this morning from the family and if any police officer reads that statement if you don’t cry for what you read from what the family is saying is heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a police officer the UK I’d say had lots of RAC them within it I don’t NE think it’s a racist country but it permeates our institutions but for her to say come out and vote and by the way when I was 22 years old and I had an affair with a married man that I knew was married the feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the feminist did fail her was she was 22 we’re supposed to have moved on from that don’t honk back on something you did that was wrong TV it’s the only place where you get the [Music] truth well have very good evening to you if you’re just joining us tonight Keith haid and Mark house here with me in just a moment or so then we’re going to be having an hour a middle hour as well which is uh part of our second back of the stand podcast uh that uh arrives by Wednesday we’ve got a host of guests amongst them Joe hemings uh psychotherapist and psychologist talking about the disruption that there is for genuine fans because of the disconnect with cocaine it’s very much an important part of the debate we’re having tonight after 8:00 Keith and Mark very good evening to you good evening Mark good evening SS I’m not happy this weekend because my team QPR had a disastrous result yesterday whole city so I’m not happy yeah well I just just feel for me for a minute will you though I on my way to The Abbey Stadium yesterday right and uh my clutch goes on the car as I get into Cambridge so I’m then instead of uh going to the game I’m sitting in the car and then the great AA man comes along his name is Mark he’d already listened on his way to me spurs getting thrashed Yesterday by four goals to nilson Newcastle United he sorted the car out for me too late to get along to the game but enough to get myself home so I want to thank I want to thank Mark and the Spurs fan and the man from the AA it was absolutely brilliant I mean I I I hardly even know where to put the Petrol in a car you know well well you know what means in it sags get yourself an automatic oh I’ve done all that I got got I’ve got a little fear you know with just I drive it I driving itly I’ve got Sophia Loren alongside me you know anyway um just wanted to mention mark because he was absolutely fantastic you know we get so many people who do all this servicing and and helping on the roads and everything a bit of stick but he was absolutely brilliant yesterday and thanks to him and the AA and everything um wasn’t going to start with this and then I suddenly into my inbox on social media comes a petition against Rebecca Welsh after a decision she made in the game between Bristol City and Huddersfield in the 100th minute a penalty Bristol City and uh whatever the wise and where fors what on Earth do the fans of Huddersfield think they’re doing I’m not going to call them some of them fans for this getting a petition to stop her refereeing anymore the woman that has given a Beacon two women referees having had her first Premier League match and and playy more this is this is quite disgusting actually as far as I’m concerned Ki well Mark I think that you’ve got in hutsfield a set of passionate fans who of course have seen their team in the Premier League and slide down the leagues um I have to say that on this particular decision uh not the reaction on this particular decision it was it was pretty poor okay the player was laid down on on the floor the ball hit his bike it was nowhere near his hand uh and U the one thing that I always say and and and I’m sure Mark will support is that you never guess a decision you know if you start guessing as a referee either on a crowd reaction or or thinking something that’s happened that he hasn’t invariably it’ll kick you in the rear this was a poor decision uh for Rebecca Welsh having said that um you know referees are human it doesn’t matter what level we officiate we will make mistakes that that’s a fact I don’t like this the uh the undertones to this this is why I wanted to bring this up for both of you mark as well and you make some very important points there Keith as well to say about the decision you thought it’s uh it it’s it’s don’t tell me that hutsfield town and their whole season of what looks like relegation is going to be down to that one decision because that’s not the case and um I just think if this had been a a male referee however bad he was they wouldn’t have petitioned to get him off the list and this is what I find totally unpalatable I’m afraid no listen I I agree I think you know well irrespec if it’s a male referee or a female referee what we should be looking it’s nothing that that Rebecca’s a referee she’s she’s a referee are they good enough to referee at that level that’s all that matters don’t matter if it’s a female or a male if they’re good enough then you know it’s not a problem and like I say I’ve Not i’ not I’ve not seen the whole game so we you know I can’t judge her over 90 minutes or 100 minutes because I haven’t seen that that that the performance but I have I have seen that that incident um and Keith’s right we’re human you know referees could have a great a brilliant game for 19 95 minutes and then get one key match decision wrong just like an outfi a goalkeeper he can play superbly for 95 minutes and then that one minute makes a absolute howler and that’s what you’re judged on and it it is unfortunate in this day and age but that is what you are judged on on key match decisions and listen it is it is very very very is out of order they need bringing into line you know don’t matter what referee it is um yeah male on female they’ve got no right to to to do that um because you know referees put in an enormous amount of work to get where they get you know throughout from starting at par Grassroots level like I started like ke started it takes an enormous amount of time family time to get to that position and and that that that is is a little bit unfair for for calling a Rebecca not referee again at that level yeah look um there we are I the only thing one of the other things that I will say on this and I’ve Keith I’ve heard you talk about this before um and is that I think particularly in the Premier League because of v and everything we’re now not getting the help from the assistance that at times the referee needs is that fair I think I I don’t think this is the level uh and down to the actual assistant referees Mark I think it’s the instructions they’re given yes and it and it and this is why I often com in in this country and and you know you speak to referees overseas they they say we’ve got wonderful assistant referees and we have we have a history of of producing Top Class assistant referees sadly they’re not used to the best effect um now in in some part I introduced the communication kits when I was boss of the pjm mo so we perhaps don’t see quite a bit of the action the interplay between referee and the assistant through the communication kit but having said that I think see incidents where you think the assistant could come in I think I think the remake of this delayed flag for the assistant referee makes their task very very difficult offsides is a difficult Judgment at best but to actually delay your flight and wait and wait the heart rate of those guys and and the women that run the line must go up you know but one thing Mark i’ I’ve seen today I’ve watched the big games mhm and I’ve watched the referees get through them with little or no problems yeah why because the players just got on with it you know and and they they made the two games and I’m not on the scoring the referees performances I think they did very well but the players contributed uh terrifically to to the performance of the referee by the their own behavior on the field of play play which was exemplary yeah and that’s going leading on from that that’s all about communication from the referee to the players you have that dialogue you have that communication the game becomes easier for you to referee yeah yeah um but yesterday Mark in in one game and I’d like to mention it yes please do because it was Newcastle Spurs and it was referee Robinson and I was really concerned because in that particular game Madison obviously a name player made a challenge with a boot above the waist into the back of an opponent and and I cannot justify in the laws of the game why that player was not sent off so I hope that he will receive some operational advice just like the you know what concerns me is that you know the the outcome of the doku challenge which was I in the chest was supported by the PGM but if they keep continue to support and accept that these challenges are okay we’re going to have players in hospital and seriously injured that’s the risk yeah know look that you you’ve made a very good point about all of that as well Mark for you as well um uh we’re we’re coming on to talk in the next hour but I did want to ask you about this as well that the volatility the difficulty after covid covid and everything else a really a really good piece was written by Oliver Brown the chief sports writer for the telegraph about the recreational drugs and the violence that sort of crept back in at all levels of our football at the moment I’ve seen it even um I’m afraid amongst some youngsters at Cambridge United uh away from home this season and um it’s something that we really need to to to get a hold on very quickly here because um there have been problems there were problems with England uh at that final in uh Wembley in the Euros last time I mean I was there from very early in the morning as I always am I was covering that was my last game actually for uh talk sport as a presenter and and I I knew having covered an awful lot of hooliganism and recreational violence trouble within football that there was going to be real problems there because of the the naivity and I say that in the right way of the young stewards that are employed at a lot of these games now as well as um the lack of police um for whatever reason in the right areas I think the lack of police is is come comes down to cost Mar OB because the clubs have to for out money to pay yeah but Hang on we’re talking about clubs in the Premier League here who have spent 49 million year uh 409 million pounds in the last year on agents yeah yeah absolutely agree with you mark I agree with you holy I think I think it’s a society problem today isn’t it um not just at the not not just at the top level I think you’re going to have have this stripping this search there’s always been an undercurrent in the lower divisions what not only that the Grassroots level these poor referees that go out there week in week out and get regularly assaulted abused by players uh parents coaches and I I I think the sentences I mean the senses handed out when these are brought to justice is poor it’s poor you know it’s just a fine or it’s a community service and they just go out and do it again you see all these programs they just they go to court they get let off and then they go back and do the same things yeah so I think is it is a massive problem and I think we need to it’s what’s it’s it’s a disease isn’t it in in creeping into society and it’s you know well it’s I mean we’re going to EXP that in in detail with psychologist and with others as well yeah I mean it’s where we are as well in the world at the moment and and the anger that that people see on social media um and and the the the unnerving feeling at the moment of where everybody is is all part of this Keith but again it’s U it does highlight for me how the the PGM and referees all the way down have got to be looked after at the same time time as focused on when they make their decisions here because um yeah you know they’re in a vulnerable position if um fans still want to take it into their own hands yeah for sure I mean you know we they’ve got to be given leadership guidance they’ve got to be given support I brought in sports psychology into refereeing and it’s now used around the world uh in order for referees themselves to deal with pressure to look at things like body language to a raised awareness of the fact that um not only are they refering a football match Mark they’re refering an event yeah and when things are happening around them they themselves have got to be prepared one one hour 15 minutes before kickoff the chief steward and the police come into the dressing room referee’s dressing room and there’s a discussion and a debate so there’s a lot of pre-planning goes into it but Mark is right we cannot uh allow things to happen at the senior level agree that a foot high on a player is not a foul challenge because it then impacts on the Grassroots referee that a boy girl youth whatever because you know there’s a great deal of people taking up refereeing that are they’re in their very informative years of they’re immature in some instances and they’ve got to deal with literally the outcome of what even a police police officer that’s trained would find difficult so this old question of how they deal with conflict referees there’s some good referees I mean I mention more because often he face conflict on the field of play and through good communication Mark the two conflicting sides came away smiling so there is a craft then there is an art to refereeing in this area that probably the fa need to spend more time with the young referees to to get across and of course Howard web with the senior referees to get them to look a bit more human and and to join in with a game and recognize sometimes the difficulty players face yeah Mark yeah listen I’m I’m with Keith and agree with him out holy well it’s about it’s not just about refereeing a football match it’s about having the awareness of what’s going on and what’s in players Minds I mean I remember what I remember when I I just retired I watched uh Liverpool Man United game Steven Gerard’s last game he came on a sub against Manchester United I don’t know if you remember it yeah he was sent off in that game he was standing on the sidelines I was sitting that game Martin ainson was the referee and I sat there and I said to myself he’s going to be sent off within five minutes yeah because I knew and he was because I knew I knew I could see I could see it in his body language and there was one foul that that the referee let go he just clamped down on it got Sten to one side and and spoke with him say listen calm down otherwise you’re going to let your team down by getting sent off now that’s what it’s about having that awareness and knowing and looking at Players body language and and sorting that out on the field of play yeah and just uh in the the 10 seconds or so we’ve got left Keith uh a bit of happier news about um sorting out the offsides this week yes well I’m waiting now Mark I’m waiting because they’re not going to enter uh they’re not going to have it at the beginning of the Season obviously they’ve got to buy the equipment and all that goes with it the big question I’m asking you got three seconds just say it’s brilliant we’ll talk more next week yeah it’s brilliant brilliant for the news that matters for the opinions that matter for the stories that matter find me Vanessa Phelps every weekday at 400 p.m. only on talk on TV on radio online and on your smart [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] speaker 3 2 a very good morning it’s just gone 6:00 I’m Jeremy Kyle and I’m thought welcome to talk today this is talk TV hey very good morning to you thanks for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on radio online and we’re on your smart speaking now you ain’t going to AB an EV it me old Chinas but a new report is calling for a new definition of cotney all right Jeremy me old China o trick go when JK Rowling says let’s just be honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just be honest when a man goes out and kills we should talk about them as what they are a biological man transwoman not a woman transwoman is a man lee would have to go much further than his statement I mean he did say that he spoke clumsily and he understood the prime minister’s position but I think he’d need to say that he’d got it wrong then I had a phone call this morning um from city council lovely woman called Anna and yeah i’ just received an email just saying um that yeah I’m going to be getting a badge quite right too quite right too is that time again to get the violins out that’s right Prince Harry has lost his bid for UK security after moaning he’d been singled out you might as well be discussing an invasion of darx for all I really get this but but but I am now on social media having been dragged off my 8 pound noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you probably know what are you doing I was just about to do it oh it’s carry on what just happened missing there was a suggestion by some that maybe it would nice to put a statue of the queen on the fourth PL Mr khah apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m sorry I know what’s I know it’s coming and I can’t stop laughing so he suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet potato that’s quite small statue then wasn’t there also a prostitute a trans sex worker you don’t really need one of those in jaaga square you just got to walk up to soos Why do you know this because I know everything was he just unlucky getting that question with an ice cream or is it a sign of something more seemed like he was on a late night show to attract a young demographic and um they put him in an ice cream store I read the statement this morning from the family and if any police officer reads that statement if you don’t cry for what you read from what the family is saying it’s heart breaking then you shouldn’t be a police officer the UK I’d say had lots of racism within it I don’t NE think it’s a racist country but it permeates our institutions but for her to say come out and vote and by the way when I was 22 years old and I had an affair with a married man that I knew was married the feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the feminist did fail we supposed to another she was 22 we’re supposed to have moved on from that don’t honk back on something you did that was wrong TV it’s the only place where you get the truth [Music] this is talk TV hey very good morning to you thanks for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on radio online there’s quite a lot of gameplay going on here oh don’t startop me on that there’s a sort of feeling they ought to look as if they’re doing something so don’t ifuse anyone else to stoking culture wars such as the smoking mirrors of of politics ruminating and fulminating and debating and voting and God knows what said they couldn’t B the party’s position but the government has got to be more flexible it’s starting to sound like a very expensive show this but anyway want to get to grips with the stories that really matter to cut through the spin in the BS want unvi and fiery debate then join us for cross talk 1:00 every weekday [Music] just a quick update first of all on the Masters uh the first of the big four tournaments this season Tiger Woods has just finished his round five over par today finishing on 16 overpar after a disappointing day yesterday but just unbelievable and fantastic that he managed to complete all four rounds and of course made the cut and whether that’s going to be the last of Tiger Woods or not well we’ll wait and see but he may well be back again and uh why not how about the front Homer is uh having a good uh tournament isn’t he he’s in the past um struggled a little bit when it’s come to the uh the big ones but uh he’s moved up the leader board he’s third now he’s gone to five underp just a couple of shots off the leader Scotty Sheffer and mariara is six underpar in second with Cam Smith on three under just behind olberg on four under Park keep your right up to date with that we’re off to the Masters in the last half an hour of uh the show tonight um for the next hour or so it was uh a topic that caught a lot of our eyes actually when we were um looking through the newspapers uh the other day and Oliver Brown who is actually covering the masters of Augusta today so sadly can’t be with us Chief sports writer of the telegraph had wrote a really thoughtful piece on exactly what was happening uh with football and uh I’m going to call it recreational violence because it’s something that I’ve covered uh right from the 80s uh right the way through uh the decades since then as a broadcaster some of it has been uh very difficult at times some of it has been you know really quite scary for uh everybody involved particularly with the intense City in some parts of Europe and other areas particularly with a lot of fans in a very small area together and a lot of them fueled by recreational drugs and drink and uh it’s something that hasn’t gone away and uh after covid of course came back uh when fans were allowed back and at the final at Wembley when it was pretty obvious very early in the morning that an awful lot of fans had come along to celebrate but at the same time to take recreational drugs alongside alcohol and uh the mix um could have well did add to all sorts of problems at that particular uh final of course and for many uh who had legitimately bought tickets uh found that they had other people uh who tried to uh really Rush the barriers get into the ground uh and um try and sort out a seat for themselves so uh that could have been a lot worse than it was and I’ve noticed a lot of bad behavior for various different reasons again this season at all levels of the game and it’s it’s something that we wanted to highlight U later on Joe hemings will be joining us a behavioral psychologist along with Vince Bartram a former goalkeeper to talk about you know the goalkeepers can be in a vulnerable position as well the Delan and Craig Beasley for the fans will be talking to us as well and Prof Bill ribbons who wrote the plague on all our Sports uh uh with myself um over Sport and covid but we did look on all sorts of different areas as to both on the field of play with some of the challenges as well as off the field of play with the supporters as everybody emerged through such a frustrating time like Co so we’re going to be talking about all of that in the next hour and a little bit delighted to say uh first up though two men very much part of football and uh have uh got plenty of experience on all sides of things mark wton a former Queens part Rangers brenford rangers and Forest manager is with us and Michael dubber is well the former Chelsea Defender here too we’ve got to find uh how we can impress on society again that good behavior particularly with social media where people um have been filmed with racist chants with other abuse to the other fans with threatening and everything that is going on and how we don’t want Mark very good evening to you and to you Michael as well we don’t want this to be the beginning of yet another plague if I could put it that way of uh soccer hooliganism and violence and basically um criminal behavior um it’s a difficult one good evening to you Mark it’s it’s a very difficult one this isn’t it it really is um I I understand the Premier League leue is is the most famous league in the world the biggest league in the world so I understand anything happens at that level is is magnified and obviously shown around the world and has that implication that impact as well um but I don’t see it in the Premier League level Mark it’s below the Premier League it’s championship and down at the smaller clubs I think where I tend to hear from fans and friends of mine who have traveled to away games in particular and endured a really tough and difficult time you know they they said using words like challenging which is probably very polite for the situ sitation they’ve actually endured so I think it’s outside of the Premier League the only one thing I heard everything you said in the buildup tip Mark and agree wholeheartedly and in terms of society and drug use and everything else I was at the Euro final with my son and I was both shocked embarrassed by what I saw throughout the what should have been a fantastic evening however I’ve also been on the other side of it with West Ham last year in the European conference where away at as at out Mark the West Ham players families and West Ham fans had to suffer shocking violence from the Dutch fans turning up there and again andlet coming to the London Stadium so you know yes I agree wholeheartedly we can’t allow this to to escalate at all but at the same time is it restricted just to the UK mark because it’s something that is up in other countries as well we’ve certainly have a real problem with it certainly in northern Europe and uh I mean going back from the 60s is really where it started again um not surprisingly a decade after the end of the second World War and then through the 60s and 70s there was a lot of problems then into the 80s as well we then had films like the football Factory Green Street away days the firm and all of these things sort of glorifying it at a time when drugs and alcohol were beginning to be part of the mix and the gangs used the football uh stage which seemingly they’re doing uh further down the leagues at the moment and a new generation is getting involved Michael as well and and from a players point of view I I I’ve always thought this particularly um if when you’re close to the fans there is a vulnerability there isn’t there yeah there there is good evening Jens by the way there there is a vulnerability you know anyone you know fullbacks getting the throw on and firstly you can hear everything when you’re getting near there when you’re playing a lot of echo don’t hear a lot of noise but when you get in near the touch line you you are vulnerable and and you know we always see um near playoff time and uh promotion time the invasion of the pitches that’s when you know you’re You’re vulnerable to whoever and you know it seems like it’s a a great thing from the outside as a player you don’t know who’s running on especially if you’re the opposing player you just want to get off of there and it’s like this Carnage and not every team has personal security to and usually the home team looking after their players it’s just it’s crazy so you are vulnerable to whoever um the pitch is supposed to be your safe place um where you just there to do what you love and do your job or whatever it is it’s supposed to be your your safe place and the the fans have their area we have our area um but sometimes not often but a few times the barriers and and the the borderline are crossed yeah they are and mark the problem is is that we don’t want isolated incidents to bring us tragedy within the game which of course we have we’ve had in our long history of violence in the past no absolutely Mark I was involved and believe you Michael I heard his Michael’s comments there and I was involved in the Rangers Hib Scottish Cup Final of course when we had the the pitch Invasion at the end and captain Lee Wallace and goalkeeper W foderingham involved and and injured and and and everything that comes with that Mark so as you say shocking scenes that we cannot allow to escalate we cannot allow to end in tragedy God forbid you saw you saw that hillsb today and everything else and you talk about these moments in in British Sport and his history that you don’t want to to look back on and see and certainly see happen again that’s for sure but I do think the Premier League is controlled I don’t want to harop on that point but it is it is it’s down the pyramid Mark where money for security as Michael said for the players and for the stewards for for the the the vast majority of innocent fans we’ve got to make sure that the the the web is in place to give them the security to go and enjoy watching their team play football and as I say money is money is less lower down the pyramid Mark we’ve got to make funds are allocated well I I’m going to you know I I for the first time have I don’t do quite so much work these days I’ve been able to have a season ticket at Cambridge United but and I’ve also been able to get it to a few games away but at stevenage there were some younger um fans who uh somehow had got flares and fireworks into the ground which they didn’t realize the consequences when they fired them off and onto the pitch two of them a flare into the goal area and also another pitch and then at um Steven Ager some of the fans are very close on the corner flag to where be behind the goal we were and you know that yes there were stewards there but stewards not police at that stage because of you said about the costs and other things very difficult and these problems need to be sorted now and I’m afraid people need to be punished when found guilty very quickly so that others realize that there is um real problems for you as an individual if you think that you can do this sort of thingk yeah I I I would say that for me the the point I think is that when there is an incident the punish the punishment is not a deterrent for anyone looking on it’s like oh is that it fine and I think there needs to be a severe like punishment an example that says to everyone if that’s what you want to do make sure you face that and I think that is a ter and I think as you said the lower down um because not everyone can get to Premier League games now you know even if you’re fans everyone has their other team they’re more local team they can go and watch and it’s more you know before it used to be you get the funny guy in the crowd that used to H the little one off on line as it’s quite funny but now you said you’re getting the the local young Lads getting in their group where go down here we’ve got this team coming down and going to show them who’s who they’re doing their football factory version and that’s where the problem lies and it then it escalates and it needs to be uh a much severe punishment for anything whether it’s uh violence verbal the punishment needs to Echo up and down of football and says this is no longer acceptable regardless of the stadium the football team or the level this is across the board this is what’s going to happen and like you say stewards they local guys just doing their little bit they’re not going to stand in front of violence and risk home life they’re going to like oh just stand aside really not going to do that so it’s very difficult but you say the punishment needs to really be so severe that it’s just a deterrent for anyone I also find uh Mark something that uh with social media where I’ve seen this season uh fans behaving very badly but they and they’ve been filmed by opposing fans but then there is sort of um uh the social media side of people deciding what sort of punishment these these fans are going to get and and we do need to see the Premier League and the Football Association Along with the police deciding on a coherent and also um an even um punishment throughout for the certain different scales of offenses that we we haven’t got that lead at the moment no Mark I think Michael’s points are so valid because all I can think of this season really is probably nothing against the club was was what happened at the Hawthorns in the westborne game when the players read off I think it was Kyle Bartley’s family were involved in the area and he had to go in and take his children out and terrible scenes to see it’s not about just West Brom that’s the last one I can remember what I don’t remember Mark is what happened to people who were involved in that who caused it and you know implicated in those type of scenes you never hear that afterwards so I don’t know if a they were caught B how many what club were they with what were the implications for them in terms of fines or jail you you never ever hear and as it’s not a deterrent Mark and I think I agree with Michael there needs to be this strong deterrent to put off the I’m saying the young guys I saw that 70% are aged 18 to 34 in terms of arrest made so I’m saying young guys very respectfully but we got to make sure that the deterent is strong enough but it’s also it’s well publicized through social Med media Mark if need be that fans understand that if they’re undertaking such actions then these are the these are the consequences um we’re going to be speaking in the next part of the show to Joe hemings a behavioral psychologist and uh my own daughter is a psychotherapist who says that uh and has told me on many occasions that um the the male brain does not develop um any fear of consequence until we get towards our mid 20s and said that this is a real problem um that can be worked for somebody who is doing things without fear that is good in the same way though that those of others who are are having a go with the fear not realizing the consequences of their actions and what that could lead to them um in punishments and to others that they’re uh they’re out to um hurt and and this is something I think that we do need help from the police on this yeah we we do M question M I’ve got Michael after you no L I think that the police are are massive in all of this because they’re the ones that their punishment is you know it can’t be the Football Club doing a some sort of we’re going to ban you for a game it’s it’s a criminal offense and once you put criminal offense on it it makes people stand up and yes there might be this your fear don’t come until 22 or or later but I’ll tell you what if there’s an 18-year-old season mate with a criminal charge he’s going to think differently about his behavior and then all a sudden from 10 of them doing it everyone thinking about it and then they not really in on that it tends to you know change people’s thinking so the police are are massive in in what they they do and they have to they have to work with with football um in in all of this it needs to be a coherent uh sort of thinking as many brains around it whatever their thought listen we can throw ideas now but it might not be thought out but they can sit around here and think of different scenarios how it affects but the the the punishment has to be one it has to be publicized as that’s the biggest deterrent and make an example of them do what I mean shame name and shame all of that and then say Okay anyone else wants to follow you you’ll be the same so please definitely involveed and Michael before I come back to you mark as well because of where the world is at the moment the problems that there are in very many different ways of life the racism that we still find too easy and glib that people decide that they’re going to use it um particularly at stadiums with football still and and other things like this that they’re still needs to be more deterrence it’s you know there are a lot of clubs quite rightly now you know who notify all the fans for everything to bring it into an all inclusive uh wonderful afternoon for everybody but we we still need to get to the bottom of the racism as well which is very much part of this yes I think we live in a society where people feel it’s okay to say what they want social media has made it okay for people to voice their opinion say what they want so they just taking that onto a football stadium and when they leave the football stadium they’re going to voice it on social media because again there’s no real deterrent you’re you know you might be banned you just set up another account so we live in a site where it’s too easy to say what you want with little repercussions and little punishment and we see it all over and whether it’s violence uh racism it’s it’s it’s that’s what we’re seeing and and social media has made it okay to voice your opinion tell someone about their color their choices their families and you know how to do their own job so we’re living in a society where it’s okay say what you want so until someone gets the grip of that you know we’re going to always be seeing this on all sorts of platforms uh you’re absolutely spot on there Michael Mark A a final comment from you as well with this that it is difficult uh In the Heat of a game if uh you know there’s a bad challenge or something and you’re going to react as a as a player as you can do and as a manager that you can do and everything part much of that part of the game but is there a way that the club can do more the players can do more to help educate the fans or is it something that they’ve they’ve just you know that they’re playing out basically um most of the time such intensity in the professional game that um they can sorted out amongst themselves but that the fans have have got to also um be helped in some way yeah I I think the Cubs do undertake Mark tremendous work you know the programs they do in terms of Education their fans work done in the community at all clubs I’m not just talk about the Premier League Elite I’m talking all the way down you have some fantastic Community work educating working with the fans the trouble is it’s the emotions and passions of the sport it’s a global game it’s a national game that we all love so much and we love that excitement we love the p as you me the bone crunching tackle the fans jump up because that’s what they can do and and you love that but it also as Michael quite rightly says that they’re given a stage to demonstrate good behavior but also bad behavior and it’s how you is how you deal with this I’m not sure I’m not sure we can talk and I agree with everything that’s been said in the show tonight it comes out to money it comes out to finances it comes down to Bing cameras and police and everything else we know this debate could ra for hours but we’ve got to make sure that they enjoy going to football and the Young Generation the young guys coming through young boys and girls coming to the game they must enjoy that experience and make sure they become lifelong fans for the game we all love brilliant uh Mark wton and Michael dubry thank you both very much indeed a great start to the uh debate this middle hour which if you’ve just joining us and you’ve missed what Mark and Michael was saying you will be able to follow that in the podcast back of the stand the second podcast of the week that will be out on Wednesday and you can get that on Apple Spotify wherever you get your podcast from and I’m delighted to 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tog TV for the stories that matter hey very good morning to you thanks for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on radio online and we’re on your smart speaking now you ain’t going to AB and E me old chinina but a new repor is calling for a new definition of cck name all right Jeremy me old China o when JK Rowling says let’s just be honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just be honest when a man goes out and kills we should talk about them as what they are a biological man transwoman not a woman transwoman is a m Lee would have to go much further than his statement I mean he did say that he spoke clumsily and he understood the prime minister’s position but I think he’d need to say that he’ got it wrong then I had a phone call this morning um from P city council lovely woman called Anna and yeah i’ I justed an email just saying um that yeah I’m going to be getting a badge right quite right too it’s that time again to get the violins out that’s right Prince Harry has lost his bid for UK security after moaning he’d been singled out May might as well be discussing an invasion of DARS for all I really get this but but but I am now on social media having been dragged off my8 pound noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you probably know what are you doing I’m just about to do it oh it’s carry on what just happened were missing there was a suggestion by some that maybe it would nice to put a statue of the queen on the fourth PL Mr KH apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m sorry I know it’s I know it’s coming and I can’t stop laughing so he suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet potato that’s quite small statue then wasn’t there also a prostitute oh a trans sex worker you don’t really need one of those in choga square you just got to walk up to soos Why do you know this because I know everything was he just unlucky getting that question with an ice cream or is it a sign of something more seemed like he was on a late night show to attract a young demographic and um they put him in an ice cream store I read the statement this morning from the family and if any police officer reads that statement if you don’t cry for what you read from what the family is saying is heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a police officer the UK I’d say had lots of racism within it I don’t NE think it’s a racist country but it permeates our institutions for her to say come out and vote and by the way when I was 22 years old and I had an affair with a married man that I knew was married the feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the feminist we supposed to she was 22 we’re supposed to have moved on from that don’t honk back on something you did that was wrong TV it’s the only place where you get the truth [Applause] [Music] [Music] the independent republic of mik Grand week nights at eight on talk [Music] TV well a very good evening to you if you’re just joining us s on the Sunday nightclub and uh we’re into our middle hour where we like to take a topic and get into the me of the discussion as well and uh we’re talking about the fan Behavior Uh during this hour and Beyond tonight um because it’s uh something that we really do need to highlight at the moment in fact last Season 22 23 in football the highest number of new football Banning orders since 2010 to 11 uh were issued an increase of 32% that was up 166 since the previous season and the highest number issued since 2010 to 2011 which was just 960 um more data taken at the beginning of August 203 shows there was a total of 1624 Banning orders in force an increase of 24% compared with July 2022 of 1,38 with levels returning closer to those scene prior to covid-19 1771 on August back in 2019 um we’re going to be joined by Vince Bartram now the former Arsenal Bournemouth and Gillingham goalkeeper and Joe hemings behavioral behavioral uh psychologist as well good evening to both of you Joe if I if I may come to you first of all uh with this um I have noticed as I’ve mentioned four Decades of covering uh a lot of very peaceful and and good natured fans around the world but at the same time I’ve I’ve been involved in fans that have um caused um terrible problems in various different parts of the world again with people having severe injuries and others arrests and uh all sorts of things going on and and a lot of it is a combination of Youth drugs and alcohol and those that are ging the more vulnerable youngsters into becoming the foot soldiers uh that they do for others manipulating some of this as well yeah look it goes on it’s always gone on I think it may be marginally worse currently probably due to cocaine um it’s very cheap it’s much more pure the problem with it is that actually it doesn’t connect you with a game it doesn’t enhance the game it disconnects you so what happens is you get people with a lot of disruptive Behavior they’re very talkative highly energetic they’re a bit Reckless now none of that you know we want to watch a game and you want to feel that you’re part of it and you want all the pleasure and enjoyment what you don’t want is a bunch of people whose primary enjoyment in inverted commment is to take drugs and kind of put everybody else off disrupt everybody else because that’s just a miserable experience for those fans that want to watch a game maybe have a drink but have a good time and you don’t want somebody who’s taking the kind of drugs that that make it so disruptive and unpleasant for the people around them that it it just no longer becomes an enjoyable game to watch I mean following on from the inquiry after what happened in the final of the Euros uh as we came out of covid at Wembley um it was pretty obvious uh because of the the problems of security uh during the tournament and games played at Wembley but um there could easily be a problem on the day of the final as well with a lot of inexperienced young stewards not the police that was expected and on the morning of that final um as early as 9:00 I knew there was going to be a lot of trouble there was a lot of uh drugs being taken at that stage and what was sort of fueling all of that was as more arrived and I felt that that as we know from the inquiry as well led to those um beginning to get braver and other things and together working as a as a as a morass to actually get inside the stadium without tickets without thinking about any of the consequences it you you’re right it’s the recklessness that goes with it it’s the agitated energy it’s the excitability it’s sort of divorce from the game itself it’s almost like the entertainment value in itself is taking those drugs becoming a bit chaotic and a bit foolish and disruptive and it doesn’t have very much to do with the sport that they’re watching or the game that they’re watching and that is hugely disappointing to Die Hard fans that want to focus on what’s going on on the pitch and not the behavior of others around them which is disturbing their enjoyment Vince uh very good evening to you first of all as a goalkeeper I mean I remember you know back in even the 70s you know people used to throw coins at goalkeepers and other bits and pieces and all sorts of things and you know there was a vulnerability there that um just became the norm in in some ways yeah obviously as a goalkeeper you’re you’re probably the closest to the uh to the the fans especially when you you’re playing away from home uh you know you you you hear you hear the things that are being said um there’s one uh I remember one very Vivid uh occasion I was at a ground that was quite reputable for being intimidating uh I’ve I’ve come for a cross got a sort of bang on the head and I’m lying on the floor the physio has come over to me and uh I was all right I just you in the physio got there he said Vince come on get up on your feet I said Jonah just give me a second he said no Vince get on your feet I was Jonah I’m all right he said Vince turn around and I turned around and uh there was some uh yellow and red uh Paul BS from the local hos Hospitality uh venue that you know they decided to thr me so you know this is this was what early late 90s uh so you know is it uh is it something new now or is it just something something different you know I’m not saying that was right then and it’s it’s it’s not right now um you know but it it’s always been there and I think when you get the herd mentality and you know people are brave in big crowds um you know it you know and again I think we’ve got to be careful not to tarnish you know there’s there’s a lot of good stuff you know the I’ve watched the football today you know there’s there’s you know fantastic 60 70,000 people in football stadiums and you know not a problem I went to I went to Arsenal a few weeks ago for the Liverpool game you know you know great great atmosphere great occasion you know I don’t I can’t say there was no trouble um or no arrest but you know in general it was it was a great occasion and I think you know uh yes you know there are these the these uh incidents um you know but the vast majority of fans are are genuinely well behaved and you know as usual it’s the there small minority that spoil it I think one of the uh other things as well Joe is for me that we have continually a new generation joining and if this generation is a teenage generation a younger generation who don’t have the consequences of um feeling that uh you know they’re going to get into trouble they have no fear with any of this as well and I I I have seen this lower down the leagues as well where they’ve got hold of fireworks they’ve they’ve got hold of other missiles that there the stewarding doesn’t include policing a lot of the time because they can’t afford to have the police who don’t come in until situation is sort of already underway which is something else that I believe that with the dis satisfaction there is in a lot of parts of particularly uh cities uh in our country at the moment with the state of everything that these things are not surprising that there is um people manipulating uh this sort of thing that’s going on at the moment yeah look I think it’s one thing to have kind of H nothing thing to have that enthusiasm and the and the fun and sometimes it gets a bit out of hand but I think some of these people are going deliberately not to to watch the match but to be disruptive and it’s not just football we see it at you know the horse racing for example people going behaving badly it’s selfish behavior in a herd you’re absolutely right it’s that herd mentality but then it’s not like they’re being swept along in it they’ve actually gone with a determination not necessarily to disrupt but to have a damn good time irres of anybody else around them and that I think is the worst of it all it’s not that it just became out of hand because you had to drink too many it’s that it’s that almost that preparation that plan to go and be do anything that you want to do regardless of what other people want to watch that is that’s just immensely selfish behavior I I find it difficult for for many particularly um with the tablets that we now carry and look at every day on our phone or iPad or whatever that you know there is uh there there is so much of this that is filmed that is put on there and everything it’s it’s very difficult uh if you’re a a young who’s vulnerable to sort of feeling as if you might want to get involved in all of this and see it and also know that there aren’t the consequences for an awful lot of this Behavior at the moment yeah look there’s no doubt peer group pressure I mean we watched that awful incident in the Milton King shopping center only a few weeks ago where you know kids on their own if you question them would be pretty appalled at their behavior but you put them in a big group who are egged on they’re egging each other on and then you get this Anarchy there almost a riot which terrified people and yet individually those most of those kids are probably okay and when you had a talking to to them they would understand what they did was frightening to other people but you put them under peer group pressure you fuel them with I don’t know drugs booze not just that but the kind of exhilaration if you like the recklessness and and it gets out of hand very quickly I mean ironically Vince at the moment really as well within the youngsters who are involved in uh our great game of football in particular their their um behavior and attitude towards uh drinking and smoking and and other things uh don’t play any part anymore for those those who who want to make a career out of this it’s very much uh something that that you know they have their own other Temptations and problems uh obviously these days that are financial and other things and a lot of on their own if they don’t watch it but that they’re basically looking after themselves uh whereas some of those outside of all of this um as uh we’ve just been hearing there from Joe sort of get together as disenfranchised youngsters um just all doing things because they’re there in a mob yeah you know what you know I can’t talk about taking Dr that’s something you know I just never comprehend you know I’ve never done it never want to do it um I I just don’t I don’t understand how someone could do that to themselves um you know I I think it is a social problem um you you know you talk about youngsters I think it’s it’s respect there’s no respect anymore for Authority you know for the for the police for for your elders um you know how kids are brought up you know I heard um you know talking earlier to Mark howy and you know he’s SE about Grassroots I’ve got two young boys uh one’s one’s just seven you know nearly the others 21 they’re playing step five non- League football and you know a few weeks ago the eldest you know the there was some young children 12 13 giving absolute dogs abuse using you know foul language um you know shouting the manager is going to die you know and their parents are at another part of the ground enjoying themselves you know so the the control the authority the the the uh the discipline of of children and and like Joe said you know that they then grow up used to it and then when they get in you know the they do get the alcohol and go to a game and the bus and the the the atmosphere and you know in that that that group with all the peers and uh you know the like I say it’s you know it’s easy to get carried away then yeah no it is Joe um do you have a sense as well as as you said because of social media where we are not just in this country but that with the all sorts of things that are going on all over the place it’s a social media has has given immediacy and other things and and people are seeing other other people do things that they seem to be getting away with that actually they’re they’re being triumphed actually on their tablets on their phones by others saying this is great to see they’re becoming Heroes even though they’re villains sort of things that that that there is a whole new um part of of what you do as a behavioral uh psychologist that uh is going to be needed to help these as they come through yeah look and I don’t want to tarnish a whole generation there are good kids out there kids that say I don’t want to do this I’m not going to be part of it but it’s quite you got to be quite emotionally intelligent and smart to resist it sometimes because you can get pulled into it quite quickly as you say social media is a very good vehicle to pull people in and it you’ve got to be quite tough to say I don’t want to be part of it so and it’s with us to stay we’re not going in it the corks off the bottle we’re not going to be able to stop it happening but I just want more kids to realize you get much more entertainment out of being a fan at anything you know it’s got going to a music gig you know just just something when you get the Ambiance the feeling the excitement without the drugs because actually it’s heck of a lot better your enjoyment your pleasure you come away with that feeling that it’s a lot better if you don’t take drugs just got to kind of get that message over if you’re a football fan you want to watch a game honestly it’s so much better if you’re not on drugs that the Pleasure Principle the the joy of it the just everything about it is better off drugs I kind of feel that’s the message that needs to get given um and will eventually I’m sure get received and the the pendulin sort of beginning to swing again hopefully uh the other way Joe hemings and Vince Bartram thank you both very much indeed for your time with us tonight on the Sunday nightclub Theo Delan and Craig Beasley two big fans also going to be joining us to talk about fan behavior and how we can uh hopefully get people to understand we need it to be [Music] better how you going to stop the vote this is an international problem how’s that going for your party I’m a millennial you’re a Victorian I think this 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question with an ice cream or is it a sign of something more seemed like he was on a late night show to attract a young demographic and U they put him in an ice cream store I read the St this morning from the family and if any police officer reads that statement if you don’t cry for what you read from what the family is saying it’s heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a police officer the UK I’d say had lots of racism within it I don’t NE think it’s a racist country but it permeates our institutions but for her to say come out and vote and by the way when I was 22 years old and I had an affair with a married man that I knew was married the feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the feminist did fail her another ER she was 22 we’re supposed to have moved from that don’t HK back on something you did that was wrong TV it’s the only place where you get the truth hey very good morning to you thanks for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on radio online there’s quite a lot of gameplay going 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for football fans but for fans in racing and other sports too uh where things uh have begun again at times to get out of hand they always have been a little bit there there’s been many hooliganism problems down the many decades of course since the 60s uh of course football and bad behavior there’s uh nothing new you can go back right the way back to the 14th and 15th centuries to find out when Villages took on each other um with a a football in the middle of it but was just uh used for a good old punch up uh between friends and enemies but um just uh at a stage now where there are very different parts uh to this whole uh discussion and and where we are really after what happened on the coming out of covid and now some of the other behavior that is beginning to come back into uh not just our game of football but elsewhere Theo Delaney the Spurs show and life goals is a man um uh as a Spurs fan who’s probably seen most things too and Craig Beasley up the cherries in all departments to um important um parts to play in this discussion along with myself we talked about all of this and I don’t want to get too heavy on it I mean I like to to do it but I mean you know for addictions can be part of lots of people’s habits for me it was uh it was gambling and and I’m one day at a time 15 years down the road with out a b and that’s something that um I’m very proud of even something that I have to think about uh every day to make sure it doesn’t happen um drugs were never my my thing um I we drank a lot of alcohol when we were youngsters as well and um I was a bit of a stupid little kid at times standing behind the goal at Cambridge United not really know what was going on in those uh 70s and into the early 80s before I started to cover hooliganism in the sport and um the bad side of it and I just Theo if I could come to you first and then Cate to you I just these days the tools are so different with social media and um the ability to say look at me to certain members of the community that want to look at that sort of thing and and find modern day heroes that aren’t at all it’s a it’s quite a complex issue this one Theo isn’t it yeah as you say it’s always been there uh we all remember I mean I old enough well I started going to football in the 70s and there was and in the 70s and ‘ 80s the hooliganism the she the the violence was absolutely incredible when we look back now if you look at some of those vintage documentaries was incredible and I’ve read a few few books about it as well and and that was uh you know in terms of sheer violence that was a lot worse but as you say the actual problem has never gone away it’s manifested itself in different ways and now with social media and also this prevalence of cocaine in particular it’s a different kind of a thing I mean we should be uh pleased of course that we’re no longer having to be in proximity to violence because it’s a lot less dangerous there I’m not saying there isn’t any Violence by the way there certainly is violence away from the grounds and organized fighting and things like that but there doesn’t seem to be much violence in the grounds but that’s not to say that there isn’t unpleasant behavior in the grounds there is and that’s something that I think we’d all like to address and I think certainly think that cocaine is one of the things that fuels it and as you say social media tends to get people legging each other on and nowadays as we know all week people are winding each other up and and that kind of bad I always used to think that what may be laugh about football because football’s you know we love football don’t we we’re we’re immersed in football and we love it for so many reasons but I always had this theory that one of the reasons we love it is it’s funny yeah and one of the reasons it’s funny because you go to a football match and you’re going to laugh at some some things and one of the reasons I’ve always thought it so funny is that grown men mostly go and act like tiny children for a couple of hours both on the pitch and off it so off the pitch we’re all saying things that we know are completely untrue completely irrational we’re more or less singing nursery rhymes when you think about it very simplistic rhyming sort of chance and on the pitch you’ve got players blatantly cheating in front of big a big audiences and and having a girl the ref like toddlers And so it’s always happened and now you know the tools as you say are different that you know the drug is different it used to be only alcohol alcohol still plays a big part as we know alcohol can fuel bad behavior cocaine definitely fuels bad behavior I know that for certain and um you know it’s something that those of us who have grown out of bad behavior you know would rather not be near to yeah I mean on social media Craig as well I mean there are there are many very difficult things to to understand but as Theo was saying I’ve always found that there’s there’s a a real humor about fans as as well there a very sharp humor at times but there there’s laugh out loud moments still in the right way and yet there is now even more Sinister undercurrents I think that’s fair to say y completely agree with that there is you know friendly banter between sets of fans and in fact I’ve got on with a lot of fans of opposition clubs um and you know made some really really good friends um you know I’m I’ve got to be Hest we’re quite lucky at AFC Bournemouth that we don’t have any of those issues in the ground um because it was terrible what we saw at Euro 2020 um and of course the aftermath on Twitter or what it’s called netx now um you know aiming a abuse at those players who were brave enough to take a penalty in the biggest match ever but you know when you look at also what happens during the week like you say Mark um you know I’ve had you and I I run a small Channel as I view it we’re a small football club small Channel I’ve had tons of you know issues in the past with our own fans um one is currently going through the police at the moment um and it’s where somebody has made a set of five videos which have been completely and utterly abusive slanderous a defamation of character you know I’ve had in the past as well where one individual decided to rip a picture of me and my daughter and put it as his profile picture for a while which you know everybody will say should only be used by the mother and the father of their own children um it seems like a lot of it has moved on to platforms like Facebook not too much Facebook but especially Twitter X where some of the stuff that you see on there is absolutely abor um and unfortunately you know and I’ll I’m going to say it out and put it out there there is people and unfortunately a former professional in the in the form of Joey Barton who is actually fueling that against a other fans of other clubs of course his abuse of female footballers and female pundits is abor um and of course you know with with u Mark Housey also spoke earlier on about the abuse that Rebecca Welsh you know the first female referee in the top flight has been suffering you know from the Huddersfield Town fans I think again it’s absolutely disgusting because a referee should be viewed as a referee it should not gender should not come into it and Rebecca well she actually refereed um our Cup game against QPR I tell you what fantastic she was in that match um unfortunately social media platforms s Twitter Facebook Instagram as well you know they need to clamp down on this because it will spill over into the stands and it will get worse and worse and worse and it’s not even opposition fans it’s fans of the same Club doing it to each other yeah you make some very good points on that Theo I mean there is this sort of fine balance isn’t there of humor and then people going too far in different ways and then expressing an internalizing anger that perhaps they kept to themselves or as we know there was domestic violence people used particularly you know after big matches where husbands would go back and um not be particularly uh great with their families and everything and and take it out on themselves and what have you all of this is very much part of the social scene of all of this but with this extra uh sort of X and others spurring certain people on it it’s it’s Sinister yeah unfortunately in the old days we I hope we don’t sound like a bunch of old in the good old days but I think in the old days before social media if you were someone like for example Joey Bon who’s just been mentioned and you you wanted to get bring attention to yourself and H and have nasty views and be and say nasty things you you’d be shouting at yourself and a lot of people did that got drunk and ended up doing it to themselves shouting to themselves in the street but now there is a way of getting it out of get bringing attention on yourself you know and and getting attention and getting people uh talking about you and that is social media so unfortunately the medium also you can do really great things with it as well lots of very good causes of you know and there’s very good you know like people get to meet each other Craig was saying he’s met you know other people through it been very good so it’s the medium but the medium uh yeah it it is a way for people to amplify these unfortunate views and and to you know escalate bad feeling and that’s that’s obviously a terrible thing but I think it’s also important I think you’ve said it before you said it earlier to to say that it’s not really football’s problem this is a problem that is wider than football isn’t it it’s that that is um suffering because of this [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] a very good morning it’s just gone 6:00 I’m Jeremy Kyle and I’m Nicholas welcome to talk today want to get to grips with the stories that really matter to cut through the spin in the BS want unv and fiery debate then join us for cross talk 1:00 every weekday this is talk TV hey very good morning to you thanks for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on radio online and we’re on your smart speaking now you ain’t going to AB an eve it me old Chinas but a new report is calling for a new definition of cop name all right Jeremy me old China o treat go JK Rowling says let’s just be honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just be honest when a man goes out and kills we should talk about them as what they are a biological man transwoman is not a woman transwoman is a man lee would have to go through much further than his statement I mean he did say that he spoke clumsily and he understood the prime minister’s position but I think he’d need to say that he’d got it wrong then I had a phone call this morning um from PR city council lovely woman called Anna and yeah i’ just received an email just saying um that yeah I’m going to be getting a badge quite right too quite right too it’s that time again to get the violins out that’s right Prince Harry has lost his bid for UK security after moaning he’d been singled out might as well be discussing an invasion of darx for all I really get this but but but I am now on social media having been dragged off my 8 pound noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming I’m a huge hit on on Instagram as you probably know what are you doing I’m just about to do it oh it’s carry on what just happened missing there was a suggestion by some that maybe it would nice to put a statue of the queen on the fourth PL Mr KH apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m sorry I know it’s I know what’s coming and I can’t stop laughing so he suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet potato that’s quite small statue then wasn’t there also a prostitute that a a trans sex worker you don’t really need one of those in chaga Square you just got to walk up to soos Why do you know this because I know everything uh was he just unlucky getting that question with an ice cream or is it a sign of something more seemed like he was on a late night show to attract a young demographic and U they put him in an ice cream store the statement this morning from the family and if any police officer reads that statement if you don’t don’t cry for what you read from what the family is saying it’s heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a police officer the UK I’d say had lots of racism within it I don’t NE think it’s a racist country but it permeates our institutions but for her to say come out and vote and by the way when I was 22 years old and I had an affair with a married man that I knew was married the feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the feminist did fail her it was another era she was 22 was supposed to have moved on from that don’t HK back on something you did that was wrong TV it’s the only place where you get the truth [Applause] [Music] [Music] the independent republic of Mike Graham week nights at 8 on talk [Music] TV want to get to grips with the stories that really matter to cut through the spin and the BS want unv and fiery debate then join us for cross talk 1:00 every [Music] weekday we’re talking about fan behavior for our back of the stand podcast that’ll go out on Wednesday on Apple on Spotify wherever you get it as well it’s uh becoming uh um one that’s of interest uh all around the continents of of the world we’ve got uh plenty in Africa who are now following us on this which is terrific as well in the states there’s a lot of people in the Middle East too and of course in the southern hemisphere so it’s uh it’s great to have all of you with us particularly when you follow back of the stand on the podcast Theo Delany the Spurs show life girls brilliant show life girls as well is a it’s a privilege of me to of being very much part of that and Craig Beasley up the cherries in all departments and the TV work that Craig does as well I just this is from Katherine in cardi she said I’m bit of an athlete during my girlhood um not that interested in sport today however I love the oldd Sunday night club and consider myself one of your most loyal members well thank you very much indeed Katherine please keep up the good work with discussions debates on all the difficult subjects I think that’s what we tried to be differently here is we don’t really use other reporters and that sort of thing so much we we we like to use fans and uh people that um see it from the ground up and have have got real passion for their clubs and that’s why Theo and uh Craig is still with me here I was really disappointed and quite apprehensive uh all the way through the Euros when they were in this country Theo because I could I could see from the start of it patently again it’s it and it wouldn’t be down to finance as far as I’m concerned with a major European final coming up you could see in in the other games that were at Wembley before that a lot of the stewards were just young men and women who were there just to earn a few Bob that they hadn’t been able to earn during covid and yet they were put in impossible situations um by uh both UA and the Football Association and what happened for me was always going to happen yeah and it really was totally shocking I mean and you’re right I mean stewards are generally uh just employed very much part-time they’re not really trained particularly I think they get I remember filming at Tottenham once doing a li a match day in the life of Tottenham hot spa and you get there in the morning you see them all being briefed they’re being briefed that day for like 10 minutes and then they’re sent off to do it most of the time that’s fine because most games aren’t don’t it doesn’t kick off and there are no problems but of course yeah in the Euros that Euro final was so embarrassing wasn’t it I mean I had N Gallagher on live goals he’s a rock and roller he’s no stranger to you know bad behavior drugs even you know the odd punch up but he was so appalled he said he hoped that we never ever saw a a tournament in this country again that’s how sickened he was by it because he saw it he was right there and I’ve had other people on who saw it close at hand I do think drugs took a played a big part in that and um you know it’s something you got to keep an eye on because as I say most games everything’s fine you can have these stewards who are not particularly well trained but do a great job I mean I go to Tottenham and and they’re they’re great most of them and they do a really really good job yeah uh but when it gets like that um that’s quite scary and that’s got to be monitored yeah and and you know there is that recreational violence that has has been with football but there are other sports actually that I think we can learn from certain things and I probably do it in football as well I certainly know in cricket and test matches now there are uh certainly stands uh places like Trent bridge where there is no alcohol served and and they’re more for family stands and and the social side so you don’t have to worry yeah of course if if people want to have a drink and um have a sing song and what have you and behave themselves but you know if they’re staggering in and out of the the ground after tea on the first day and there are kids there who just want to watch the cricket I think it’s good to have be able to have both of those things and um so you know I’m we’re not being killjoys here but there is a there has always been a slight Sinister undercurrent and the next generation are um beginning because there seems to be disat dissatisfaction at the moment in all sorts of things that they have taken again to a bit more of this violence I can see you nodding there Theo well I think yeah I mean I think it’s hard times isn’t it we’re in hard times and in hard times these things seem to come to the surface because there’s a lot of frustration and dissatisfaction you know people young people in particular look around and think what what’s what where are the opportunities here people are skint and people are not seeing opportunities for Prosperity so I think I think it’s a thing where this generation is the first generation who are probably growing up to be less prosperous than their parents’ generation that normally you expect progress and I think all of those things fuel discontent frustration dissatisfaction you put drug drink and drugs into that equation and uh you know it’s a Tinder Box yeah yeah it is and and Craig um you know what I’m also finding is that clubs you know lower down uh the leagues do have very small minority of of troublemakers that have sort of been generational at times and what have you but at the same time there are clubs now and we mustn’t forget this who are fantastic Community assets once more and Bournemouth is one of those clubs yeah they they are and you know they’ve done a lot of work with a improving the image you know which was already good even further um and a lot of teams up and down the country have done the same um you know back in 1990 um there was and probably everybody knows this story the day that leads United got promoted to the Premier League um or the division one it was uh they come down smashed up the town um and I feel that everything has moved on from that point but we’re at danger now of it sliding backwards little bit so you know certainly at the start the 2000s you know the early 2000s you know we got to a point where things had got a lot lot better you know to be able to go to football was fairly safe it seems like and what happened you know and I completely agree Theo with um you know the gallaga brothers that you know what happened that day at Wembley you know was an absolute disgrace and I think it probably has ruled us out out of ever hosting a big tournament again but the thing is is with social media and people winding each other up and creating these little gangs um you know we could slowly slide back into what we were was before and that’s not what we want of course the addictions and the you know it’s not just alcohol it’s not just cigarettes it is more now which is also you know causing these issues like I say at Bournemouth we don’t have that issue at this moment in time time touchwood we won’t but you know you know for me there’s one another thing that you say and the come back this is this is obviously lower down the league so with and I’ve I’ve already mentioned this with uh just some young fools I’ll call them really who who don’t know any better um who have got who have thought it’s quite clever suddenly again to have flares fireworks um and that’s just just a few of them um but they don’t there’s no Co that they don’t realize the damage that by setting these off or throwing them inside the go mouth actually not just disrupts everybody’s enjoyment of it it they are dangerous I mean we must never forget that that International match when there were they were launched across the pitch when Wales were playing and there was serious injury and more than that I mean we mustn’t forget this and this is where I think think the police still have have to be involved in some way as a deterrent by making sure that although the clubs themselves ban some of these uh fans that that they also have to be called to account legally in this country again oh totally I mean there should be I mean I’m sure there are laws taking yeah but of course some grounds you can just walk into you know at Tottenham we have airport style security everywhere right around the ground I mean you get X-ray you know or you’re not x-ray but you get metal detected you have to walk through nobody gets in the ground without being searched in that sense and and and sometimes physically very of in fact that even at the old white heart Lan we were physically searched on the way in but certainly people shouldn’t be able to take things like that in I mean that’s that’s uh mad actually also I mean the cocaine thing I mean they if you had if you just once in a while took a few sniffer dogs to football matches is you’d probably you might end up you know if you did it randomly you you might end up um creating a very effective uh deterrent and especially if you then uh if you then arrested people so um I think things could be can be done and maybe they need to clamp down a little bit more but you know some of these things it’s like you say these people who who take stuff in and throw stuff they don’t seem to to know or realize the danger the trouble is when you are a young when you’re young like that and you’re you’re in a group everyone each other on next thing you know you’re all drunk anyway so all your judgment goes and you’re not going to be the one who holds back going no I guys I don’t think we should do this you know everybody it’s the mob it’s the mob mentality isn’t it and that’s the sad thing and even and you know in the past as we said it was worse I mean that that story you know 1990 leads United get promoted and what do they do to celebrate they they smash up a whole Seaside town which has done nothing to deserve it you know so um it’s it’s not new but it’s not good either just CU it’s not new doesn’t mean you have to tolerate it or that you should tolerate it I mean things you know we need to um legislate for it that’s for sure I think it is and I think that think we need to keep an eye on it as well and it’s it was it’s an important topic that we’ve talked about a final thought from UK Craig as well on all of this um again of a a club like uh Bournemouth and and everything that you have done I think you know it is up to football and those that run the game I still don’t ever hear a voice on anything that we try to discuss on this show finally Rick Perry came on when we were talking about a regulator for the game but it it it took my boys who are brilliant by the way on the other side of the glass to ring him every day for weeks before they would come forward for something that they should just be there to do and in the same way there should be there should be more transparency about what they are doing to help the club a lot of them that don’t have the finance to have the police there all the time but have better stewarding and um to to try and help and and it and it again I’m afraid to say it is something that there perhaps should be again a levy on or a certain amount of money made available to some of the other clubs that can’t afford all the time to to help them certainly train stewards in a better way Craig yeah the efl was actually doing its award tonight and I think one thing that they maybe need to look at more is working with the police working with the stewarding teams to actually get that you know knuckled down make sure that these sort of things don’t happen but the Premier League you know having the resources that it does you know should also be able to initiate that you know again you know we we’ve heard well the independent regulator uh situation Richard Masters turned around and said oh don’t really need one which is I think is ridiculous but you know we should really be knuckling down you know from the top end of football all the way down working with the police and also rewarding those clubs whose fans are behaving themselves with these Awards and you know maybe maybe extra Financial incentives I’m not sure well I look I know that the business is has all changed with players and agents but just to throw that out there 4 9 million spent on agents in the Premier League 49 million I mean it’s crazy Theo that’s money going out of the game we’ve got all of these things you know people are playing they’re putting the ticket prices up everywhere you know people are already struggling to pay you’re paying 80 pound you know it’s not remarkable to pay 80 pound to go to a football match in the Premier League and they’re shipping out hundreds of millions of pounds to people to individuals who are already very very rich they’re taking the money out of the game that has got to be a model that is not not healthy yeah and I again you know if you regulated football and you had a you’d need to regulate it internationally of course and we already know that we’ve had problems with UFA and FIFA with you know they haven’t been the best uh governing bodies over the years for any number of reasons but if you had it regulated internationally where you capped the amount of money that the agents could take out of football think of the money that then you would liberate for for good for good purposes for the sorts of things that we’re talking about you know there’s no end of good I mean football clubs are Community institutions they they work they should be part of communities they should bring positive things and in many ways they do but that money going out is it’s almost obscene it is absolutely and I’ve have always genuinely thought that if you’re playing a paying a player £400,000 a week that he should be able to pay his agent as is the same in our business if you have an agent the player should pay that from his wages and not the fans who go through the turn Stars Theo Delaney and Craig Beasley thank you both very much indeed for being part of our discussion tonight on this uh the Prof Bill ribbons orthopedic surgeon also uh doc at both uh Northampton share cricket and Northampton Town Football Club in his time and of course has dealt with a lot of footballing injuries and that’s another side of the game um when it comes to all of this I want to talk about to build [Music] next ever feel like you’re not part of the conversation that you’re not getting the full picture on the important issues or the stories that impact your life Jim who was on at the last hour waiting a year for a heart operation blew us out the water well at talk TV we cover the issues you care about I would love to give the nurses a massive pay rise give them on them with proper debate and argument we tell it how it really is and have some fun along the way talk TV for the stories that matter hey very good morning to you thanks for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on radio online and we’re on your smart speaking now you ain’t going to AB and E me old chinina but a new repor is calling for a new definition of cotn name all right Jeremy me old China o when JK Rowling says let’s just be honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just be honest when a man man goes out and kills we should talk about them as what they are a biological man transwoman not a woman transwoman is a m Lee would have to go much further than his statement I mean he did say that he spoke clumsily and he understood the prime minister’s position but I think he’d need to say that he’ got it wrong then I had a phone call this morning um from P city council lovely woman called Anna and yeah i’ I justed an email just saying um that yeah I’m going to be get in the budge quite right too quite right too it’s that time again to get the violins out that’s right Prince Harry has lost his bid for UK security after moaning he’d been singled out May might as well be discussing an invasion of darx for all I really get this but but but I am now on social media having been dragged off my8 pound noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you probably know what are you doing I’m just about to do it oh oh it’s carry on what just happened missing there was a suggestion by some that maybe it would nice to put a statue of the queen on the fourth PL Mr KH apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m sorry I know it’s I know it’s coming and I can’t stop laughing so he suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet potato that’s quite small statue then wasn’t there also a prostitute oh a trans sex worker you don’t really need one Square you just got to walk up to soos Why do you know this because I know everything was he just unlucky getting that question with an ice cream or is it a sign of something more seemed like he was on a late night show to attract a young demographic and uh they put him in an ice cream store I read the statement this morning from the family and if any police officer reads that statement if you don’t cry for what you read from what the family is saying is heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a police officer the UK I’d say had lots of racism within it I don’t NE think it’s a racist country but it permeates our institutions but for her to say come out and vote and by the way when I was 22 years old and I had an affair with a married man that I knew was married the feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the feminist supposed to another she was 22 we’re supposed to have moved on from that don’t honk back on something you did that was wrong TV it’s the only place where you get the truth hey very good morning to you thanks for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on radio online there’s quite a lot of gaml going on here oh don’t startop me on that there’s a sort of feeling they ought to look as if they’re doing something so don’t think use anyone else to stoky culture wars such as the smoking mirrors of of politics ruminating and fulminating and debating and voting and God knows what said they couldn’t back the party’s position but the government has got to be more flexible it’s starting to sound like the very expensive show this but [Music] anyway well very good evening if you’re just joining us uh you’ve missed a terrific discussion we started off with plenty of football as well but we’ve been talking uh big debate as far as our a middle hour and a little bit more is concerned we’ve been looking at at behavioral attitudes within football and other sports as well and we’ll be part of back of the stand which comes out next this coming Wednesday and uh it’ll be if you’ve missed a lot of it well worth another listen to Ratt all of this off uh Professor Bill ribbons is with us one of the uh terrific uh surgeons orthopedically when it comes to a lot of our Sportsmen and women and dancers and other people at the very highest level of the game which uh he has uh have to help uh get better again and and also he’s uh been a great friend to me and uh co-author of the book a plague on all our Sports spill that we patiently or you patiently put together with me over the uh the previous two years and and diarising for everybody um the uh the whole of the of sport within the covid pandemic and the some of the circumstances and conclusions after it and um had to have you on really to talk about all of this because um it’s it’s very much part in a lot I get a sense in a lot of sports and I was rereading some of our book itself um I’d written a bit about that day at Wembley in there but other sports also where we we had joy and Euphoria because the Sports were coming back and going on and ahead and yet they’d been damaged and fans as well didn’t quite know and and I now we’ve think we’ve got to a stage here where uh behavioral issues which started with England at at that final at Wembley in the Euros uh are causing problems off the field and I also wanted you to talk possibly from your experience as doc a doctor as well at Northampton town and others that there are quite a few tackles and challenges going on in football now which are becoming quite destructive this very high tackle that’s happening in the the Premier League and others and I’m wondering if if this is all sort of part of the frustration off the back of where we’ve all come from good evening evening mark thank you very much for that for that introduction and and good evening to all your viewers as well yeah I I mean I was listening to the first part of that discussion and it was fascinating hearing Theo and Craig’s views and I agree with much everything they said um you’re absolutely right um July 2021 was a a low Watermark was wasn’t it in terms of crowd Behavior with in football um there were some instances of course before that I think you touched upon it um some of the early games the England Scotland match um led to lots of problems lots of uh covid related um uh issues particularly going back to Scotland with the fans and of course if you go back to the summer of 2020 when Liverpool uh won the uh won the championship and we understand you how much it meant to the club and to the fans you know there was 300 fans fighting with police outside of anfield and letting off the fireworks you were talking about earlier on so so the the problem was was starting even before the crowds got back um you know onto The Terraces um the point you make about um the uh the high tackles I mean inevitably there there is a Synergy isn’t there between what goes on on the pitch and off it and uh you feel not only in in football but in in rugby and and and other great Sports you know you go there to see the gladiatorial um kind of uh matchups between between these great athletes and um but if if it does get a bit Feist if it does get a bit over the top then it is it is only natural that the crowd the audience particularly the younger ones uh may may also get a bit worked up and as the debate has been earlier on with um with alcohol and this increasing worry about cocaine if if if the younger fans have already managed to um to to to get themselves um uh in the pub beforehand if they T if they’ve taken cocaine at the same time then it’s going to make them more likely to uh be violent either either audibly or with their fists unfortunately it is a a real concern I think there’s another part of all of this for me has been that that that sort of um Wasteland of of the covid pandemic for many um added to now the the the even further uh Improvement some would say of tablets and social media that there is a another combination that’s sort of coming in here where fans who in the same way as Sportsmen and women during covid missed out on development missed out possibly on the only time they were going to ever be able to uh show what they could have done at an Olympic games um others of course whose timings as individual Sportsmen and women never happened because um uh that they just it never happened and they were never going to get that chance again I’m finding that a lot of youngsters um are also finding now a sort of different mentality using their tablets and getting involved in things without thinking about the consequences because they had nearly a 2year um lull in their education and development as individuals when it came to being part of bigger crowd situations no you’re absolutely right and and you particularly have concerns about those those youngsters in their late teens you know that Social Development you know psychologists will tell us that uh our brains are not fully mature until we’re 25 they they’re still they’re still developing and that crucial period of of that two two years when they lacked um the ability to to mix with uh with their friends and with with other people and and learn that the normal social niceties uh was something that was missing and as was previously said you know compar we never want to go back to the 1980s which you and I remember being at football games but you know the universal access to mobile f phones to arrange things very quickly the ability to record with video and cameras and and the way that social media kind of amplifi amplifies this and almost legitimizes certain behaviors in the eyes of the uh the young and impressionable is a real concern and as has been touched on as well I mean um I’m reliably informed you know that the um the price of cocaine on the streets dropped from 2019 to 2022 made it more accessible as well so there was a number of factors that came together as well as the wider social implic you know so social issues of the uh the cost of living crisis the you know utility prices you know dissatisfaction with certain government policies it really all came together well one of the other things bill that um has only come up to to for me thinking in in the last last couple of weeks or so um with my club Cambridge United and with other clubs where um again with the the covid and and the book in mind here something else that we talked about and developed that there there have been a lot of youngsters in the youth setups who then get to the stage are they going to get a full professional contract or not and quite a few of them are being Let Go by a lot of clubs when they’ve actually probably missed out on a year and a half or two years of development because of the covid pandemic and I’ve really felt for them this week yeah I mean it wasn’t only their sporting skills but it was their education as well it was a double whammy for these for these kids and you know as we often describe it um uh Academy Sport at the elite end whether it’s football Cricket rugby or any other sport is a convey about uh these kids are on it and they’ve got to prove their metal at a certain age whether it’s going to be 16 or 18 otherwise they’re out because it’s going to be the next group of 15 16 year olds coming behind them and just as your um previous uh speakers were were talking so eloquently you know kind of not spending money on on having experienced stewards matches the first thing that gets cut know well sorry the last thing that gets cut is going to be the salaries of your elite players isn’t it yeah no they’re gonna look they’re gonna look everywhere for cost trimming when when things get tough as it did during that two to three years and one of those in many many situations in many sports including football were the academies uh one of the other things that I I I found thinking about all of this I mean yesterday it was the Grand National a race that I used to follow and and cover over many years and of course now completely changed with the the fences and everything and this year not one of the horses fell um in it but how a lot of people involved in it said how you know they they’d seen enough of the dark side of the sport with with jockeys getting trampled horses breaking legs and everything and again how covid in a way gave them this opportunity to bring this in because you know again they’d had this time away and suddenly it was nearly like a new sport and they managed to get a lot of broadcasters and journalists on their decide from that point of view yeah I mean I think everybody was relieved at the end of the Grand National C you know realizing that there weren’t any serious injuries to the horses or or to the or to the jocket um you know that I’ve spoken a lot about welfare and performance in Elite Sport and this really came to the four during covid and when you think about welfare you’re thinking not only about the players obviously you’re thinking about the horses but you’re also thinking about about your young stewards as well and an Elite Sport football in particular has not really been very good at thinking about welfare everything is geared to what happens on the pitch particularly with the first team and covid really brought that into the spotlight that we’ve really got to do something more for welfare and as we’ve all seen you know talking about issues like mental health you know that’s become something that was a taboo subject which now becomes something that people are more ready to talk about around Elite Sport and I think all of those things are positive there is always always uh a worry that gradually as everything got back to normal things would slide again and would’ be back to the old excesses that everybody promised wouldn’t happen but I do think there have been positive things that have come out of it yeah no look I I I couldn’t agree uh more with you on on anything like that and and I guess there is also perhaps a a little bit where people have got to learn how to behave again in public having been away from these such exciting adrenaline fueled events with everything around them particularly those that perhaps haven’t haven’t had that experience before yeah no it’s it’s almost like relearning I mean people know intrinsically how to behave don’t they but some I think it needed resetting and I I think one of the interesting things I mean I mean I mean you you’re talking about cocaine and I know your beloved Cambridge I was reading somewhere that uh somebody reported that the uh The Gents lose at even at Cambridge like a launderette there was so much washing powder type yeah around and and I think the interesting thing was I mean cocaine has has been around you know class A drugs around spectator sport for a number of years but I think what’s interesting now is that uh there was that recent report that said over a third of people attending football matches had witnessed people taking cocaine and of course um just the other week at cheltonham people said people were seeing people you know in full view of hundreds of other people just um Ju Just snorting a line um and it just seems incredible now so once upon a time they might might have done it that’ have done it somewhere very quiet before they got the game now they feel that there isn’t any uh going to be any comebacks on them and and therefore you know we really have to look at how how you know this is all looked at by the police and by the attending by the attending authorities yeah um and uh just sort of finally to round up on all of this as well um it was good for me to to to look back on on certain things in the book and and and and the way it’s sort of moving and how quickly um uh Sports sort of are able to forget of what’s going on we have such an important when I talk about behavior and fans behavior and we’ve got a we’ve got a uh a big European football tournament coming up in Europe we’ve got a massive um Olympic Games coming up in Europe we have an unstable European and Middle Eastern and and World CL climate at the moment all of these things following through from covid and many other things where behavioral issues I think are going to be very much at the four don’t you oh absolutely and you know we’ve only had three years between the two additions of the euros and unfortunately uh English fans whether they’re well behaved or not you know have become targets abroad and I’m sure that the behavior of fans in July 2021 at Wembley has not helped that reputation so we’ve just got to hope that uh that the uh you know the authorities take all this kind of very seriously I mean the German police are usually fairly good aren’t they hopefully not repeat the errors that we saw in in Paris when Liverpool went there for the uh for the Champions League final yeah and just hope it goes off well and without any uh and with everybody able to go and enjoy the football for what they’re there brilliant um uh Bill thank you very much indeed Professor Bill ribbons uh co-author of a plague on all our Sports pitch publishing um on Amazon water stones wherever you want to get hold of it uh is it it is a an important read I think for a lot of fans to just understand how we’re now seeing as well the covid and everything with it as we emerge through the other side of the sport so um give that a try as well we’ve still got golf to come golf so important as well with the Masters and uh it’s been a magnificent final day so far three of them still tying for the lead and we’re off to Augusta next here finally on the Sunday night club and of course not forgetting the back of the stand podcast out tomorrow on the highlights of the show and on Wednesday on our main debate too [Music] how are you going to stop the vote this is an international problem how’s that going for your party I’m a millennial you’re a Victorian I this helps weather people I’m going to help the Vets [Music] office 3 2 1 gos I’m Jeremy Kyle and I’m Nicholas th welcome to talk today hey very good morning to you thanks for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on radio online on your smart speaking now you ain’t going to AB an eve it me old chinina but a new report is calling for a new definition of cck name all right Jeremy me old China o o treat when JK Rowling says let’s just be honest 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carry on what just happened there was a suggestion by some that maybe it would nice to put a statue of the queen on the fourth PL Mr khah apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m sorry I know what’s I know what’s coming and I can’t stop laughing so he suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet potato that’s quite small statue then wasn’t there also a prostitute a trans sex worker you don’t really need one of those in choga square you just got to walk up to soos why do you know this because I know everything was he just unlucky getting that question with an ice cream or is it a sign of something more seemed like he was on a late night show to attract a young demographic and U they put him in an ice cream store I to sat this morning from the family and if any police officer reads that statement if you don’t cry for what you read from what the family is saying it’s heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a police officer the UK I’d say had lots of racm within it I don’t NE think it’s a racist country but it permeates our institutions but for her to say come out and vote and by the way when I was 22 years old and I had an affair with a married man that I knew was married the feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the feminist did fail her was another ER she was 22 was supposed to have moved on from that don’t Hawk back on something you did that was wrong talk TV it’s the only place where you get the truth [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] 5 4 3 2 a very good morning it’s just gone 6 o’ I’m Jeremy Kyle and I’m Nicha Thor welcome to talk [Music] today of course here on the Sunday nightclub we like to hear all of your views whether you agree with us or not Genie’s Liverpool fan um quick to condemn the fans of the Euros uh yep we were and uh quite rightly as well after all of the investigative and uh other things that were done afterwards to find out exactly what had happened but as you say Paris Police have pepper sprayed fans and children I’ve been in France when they’ve done an awful lot more than that as well with tear gas but the French stormed in without tickets the locals abused supporters women amongst them after the match and yet Paris still hosts events so look um thank you for your thoughts on that as well jeie on social media and if you want to follow that full debate we’ll bring you all the best bits in the back of the stand podcast Apple Spotify wherever you get yours from uh on Wednesday that particular next episode will be out um Jeremy Dale is with us of course he’s in Augusta it’s going to be a fantastic climax sadly after we’ve uh finished the show but uh Jeremy of course uh very much part of our golf coverage here on the Sunday uh night club is out there right now and I I mean you know just following on with all our debate jeremin it’s great to see you you there um in uh what looks like perfect weather now but but firstly of course in in all sports after covid and everything else that’s happened there is certainly um there’s there’s certainly been a release of tension not always in the right way if I can put that by fans of all sports uh well this week golf is immune for that from that of course Augusta National don’t tolerate any um any misbehavior of any kind I mean and the fans know that the patrons know that yeah um they know that you can’t even run to to get to the best vantage point uh they know that you’ve got to behave yourself there’s no shouting there’s no boards it’s all very very very clear and you’re on the grounds of a private club and and they have every right to to throw you out I I understand that that’s you know it’s different uh from uh from other sports uh but of course in golf it’s sometimes different as well we we were on a couple months ago talking about the Phoenix Open which is alog together different gettle of fish so um golf have has its moments as well and uh yeah ating debate but I think largely anyway cross fingers golf is is fairly immune for that and of course in K there were no fans at all so nice to have them back and uh and a great tournament Brewing it is marar has just double Boger the ninth um well I hadn’t seen that thank you for the update yeah ironically apparently well no because I mean it’s just great that you’ve been able to come and and and talk to us so we get a real feel of it as well J um he’s some of his bunker shots have been so brilliant at this tournament but he had trouble in the bunker I mean it just well um yeah I didn’t see that but marar is a good um a good bet for a decent Master’s performance because his iron play is so good now you you’ve been to the course I would imagine and you know how big Green’s quite big but they’re so unting and they’re divided up into sections and if you miss the wrong section or if you hit the ball to the wrong section it’s like putting down the marble staircase you have really no chance uh or or even worse chipping down it and um you can get the wrong the wrong side of it bunkers actually sometimes are the players friends unless of course like I was so sad to see Danny Willet do brilliantly for for 35 holes and then forget how to play a bunker shot at the last and you know he took seven and aogi would have not hurt him but a seven really did because he was four under at the time but yeah the the pressure of the situation does these things to players and the margins are so fine uh and that round by Tiger Woods yesterday I very high score for him 82 um you could see from some of the places he was getting into you don’t normally see people playing from those positions how impossible the situations are sometimes so yeah I I mean I’m glad you mentioned tiger before we sort of come right up to date with and I’m looking up here with alberg is uh second now he’s just a shot behind Sheffer at the moment Max Homer who’s having a terrific tournament is uh a further shot back so Sheffer still out in front I mean Tiger Woods to watch him in those first two rounds and to think of you know where he is now with what he has to deal with and how he made this record number of consecutive cuts at the Masters he is still an extraordinary Sportsman he he he played fantastically I it was one of the only predictions from last week that I got right U I said if he makes the cut that’s brilliant and if he plays all four rounds he’s done well and all this talk of winning was a little bit excessive and um and uh so it proves you could see how difficult it was for him to walk and he played 23 holes on a Tuesday because of the rain delay uh but a fantastic effort and of course you do see you know Old Masters uh Champions they know they went around this course Andy L used to make the cut about last week forever and ever and uh you the guys that are good at it they they don’t really lose it they lose a bit of length but they don’t lose the CFT H and that what’s what marks it out as a wonderful Golf Course um it really is exceptional and it allows the players to play it’s got width it’s got you can if you’ve got the ability to recover if you’ve got great touch around the greens um it allows you it allows people to attack uh and uh and that’s why hopefully we’re going to see an amazing back nine we got a cluster of four players and maybe Tommy Fleetwood and uh and Bryson Des Shambo in touch still so you know what what I I mean I’ve really enjoyed this uh the tournament this year and what what I found interesting too was the complexities of the of the the the stronger wins and of course the Judgment that player and caddy have to have together to think about what might happen uh when you’re throwing the ball out and up above the tree line well exactly um that was what marks at out a great course anytime you want interesting golf then wind um is is is is a great leveler or a great extra dimension um as our firm surfaces and what the Masters try and do is is get it firm and running and and the course was inspired by uh the Great lyx Courses of of the British ises as McKenzie revered the old course but he took um he took uh inspiration from many many different different courses for example the eighth hole which they’ve just played is actually modeled on the 17th at mfield has two sand dunes and they got the idea from that and uh uh the um the 12th hole which they play in about half an hour was modeled on a on on on a hole at Stoke Park the seventh hole at Stoke Park has this is designed by Harry Colt and it sits at an angle uh to to the players and it’s the exact same uh exact same problem uh that they have at August nation was interesting actually on TV they showed a graphic from above or actual photo with from a drone and you could see how the green doesn’t just sit at a bit of an angle it’s at about 45 degrees which and what as soon as I saw that I could say I can really understand how it can be that you just push it a little bit and it’ll never ever have a chance of getting there so I mean that’s a hole that can can quite easily go wrong a masterly designed from a British designer um alist McKenzie uh who who wrote a great book actually the Spirit of St Andrews about how to set up a course uh with width so you know everybody could play it uh and strategy so you could pick the right lines of the te’s and the Angles and firm Services uh and it really is a great lesson actually uh to golf clubs all over the world on how to set up a golf course to make it interesting why we watch uh and instead of loads of thick Rough Around The Greens you got absolutely one cut and uh there’s really no need for for thick rough it just they had in the US Open for years this this is a really great golf course because it allows people to play but punishes them but allows them back if they’re good enough it’s it’s just fascinating also I’ve been fascinated with some of those that have come back from the Liv tour deso looks a a different man again now he’s got rid of a lot of the bulk and everything but he’s you know he’s still involved but um one or two that they haven’t you know the Brooks kep kepas and others who who missed the cut and all sorts of other things they’ve the John ram ram was another one I I do wonder whether they do miss that that real Competitive Edge of these big fields I’m sure they do I’m I’m not I’m sure it doesn’t help them um and uh these Majors only come they’re only four a year where all the play players are together so they’re they’re really going to be going forward unless there’s a solution starved of of proper 72 hole medal golf against the best players in the world um and Cameron Smith has done well he’s last time I saw he was a couple under had a good has having a good round today yeah say Des Shambo is three under he’s still got a chance I mean anybody can hit shoot 30 on that back nine I think on on a on a day like today there’s much less wind um and also the Sunday pin positions are are much more getable than the than the traditional Saturday ones so there’s a chance that somebody could come right from I’m hoping obviously for Tomy Fleetwood um if he can really get it going I mean we will remember the uh the great 86 Masters when Jack Nicholas shot 30 on the back nine and and came from you know almost nowhere uh to win it and it could happen it could happen we we just don’t know it’s it’s superbly exciting no it’s uh it absolutely has been you mentioned him Terrell Hatton and Matt Fitzpatrick obviously making the Rory maroy I think you know has still got worked somehow I don’t know whether it’s it’s it’s all in the mind but you know he’s he struggled a little bit again um at times yeah Tran’s playing well today actually’s playing well five under actually and doing super well on a course that he he hasn’t really done he’s only had four underp power rounds in in 20 something attempts so um it’s not a course that he’s he’s really got to grips with at all but love see him having a go and doing well doing well today um yeah Matt Fitzpatrick yeah not quite In Contention not quite close enough no um but it won’t have been through through lack of effort I I I Tommy food has a history of uh low rounds in in the last rounds of Majors he he has done that in the past and I I wouldn’t rule it out but we’re looking more or less like the winner coming from Chef morawa before he had that double but again you can still in it Homer and a Ab is the one that’s playing the best I think he’s 3 under for the front nine um and he has not missed a shot he’s been absolutely on it and the others have made all made mistakes but he’s the one that hasn’t Homer um has been super consistent but lots and lots of pars and hardly any uh hardly any birdies he hasn’t had a birdie I don’t though both of those though I mean Homer’s got himself into um these Major’s uh mindset now at last I mean he’s he he he he’s sort of a different man he’s taken on a different Persona hasn’t he himself which is fantastic but abber I mean this he still right at the start of his career this is what a player this man is I’m I’m I yeah you can’t say I can’t tell you how impressed I am with way he’s played and he’s only 22 and he’s playing in his very first major championship never mind his debut Masters very first major uh he’s ever won and uh there was a little thing on American TV which I wrote down there were only three other players whose first maj Championship ended in a win there was Francis we at the country club in Boston in 1913 Ben Curtis at Ron georgees in 2003 and Keegan Bradley in 2011 at the PJ championships has a been done three times and oh yeah I would love to see him uh i’ love to see him come through and I think he’s playing the best of all of them he hasn’t dropped a shot he’s had three birdies and nobody’s done that so he’s had the best of the leaders he’s had the best nine hole score so far so I mean that that whole sort of uh next generation of players coming through who who have these Scholarships in the states uh that you have to be so good the these guys are just ready to play aren’t they they are so Fearless now and they’re trained to be and that’s the quality of the the college training the college system uh it gets you competitively sharp uh before you even get onto the tour uh proper and and also the the uh you know the corn tour and the tall tour in the in Europe all these other places that they could go and get competitive Golf and and obviously the the mental side has has has come along as well I mean there there is far better mental coaching now than there ever was in the 80s and 90s when it seemed that a golfer would be at his Peak uh perhaps in his early 30s now they come on and they’re ready and they’re stronger and they hit the B further uh techniques have improved obviously the equipment plays a little bit of a role as well um I me they’re really able to to hit almost as hard as they can with this equipment compared to you know the old drivers 30 40 years ago um but they do they come out ready and ready to win and they’re not frightened of it for that reason I think he’s a good he’s a good pick and and don’t forget he um he beat Scotty Sheffer in the rider cup quite handsomely so he won’t be afraid of him no well he’s one behind sheffler and chefer him he he and Homer are both on seven go and enjoy the rest of the tournament it’s been brilliant to talk to you Jeremy we’ll speak again very soon thank you very much indeed following off us we’ve enjoyed the show this end I hope you have enjoyed it as well don’t forget the podcasts back at the stand with all the highlights from this show tomorrow and then on Wednesday our special feature on fan Behavior as well with all sorts of uh brilliant thoughts from uh some very special guests today and um really enjoyed all of that um look forward to your company again next week the Premier League goes on everything else is very important too what happens here next Howard Hughes and unex you bet you how are you Mark I’m I’m I’m really well actually really well indeed this is very very important and you were talking about the golf I used to love the days when I could say in the news bulletins seano B esteros oh he was never sevy not on my bulletins now on the show tonight um exclusive tonight from his office on Capitol Hill Congressman Tim bashet um will disclosure ever happen and if it does who are the new whistleblowers um Professor Greg igian on social science and uaps in other words should social scientists change the language around UAP should we be having a different debate about it I guess is what we’re saying Professor Robert Reena on the threat from Human
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انا اختكم من اليمن والله ماتكلمت الا من جوع ومن ضيق الحال انا وامي وخواتي نحن في حاله لا يعلم بها الا الله حسبنا الله ونعم الوكيل في من اوصلنا الى هاذا الحال وًّالَلَهَ الَعَظَيَمَ مَا كتَبَتَ هَذا الَمَنَاشَدَهَ غَيَرَ مَنَ الَضَيَقَ وّالَفَقَر يَاعَالَمَ حَسَوّا فَيَنَا ارَجَوّكمَ وّالَلَهَ الَعَظَيَمَ رَبَ الَعَرَشَ الَعَظَيَمَ انَه الَاكلَ مَا فَيَ عَنَدَيَ بَالَبَيَتَ وًّالَلَهَ يَا اخَوّانَيَ انَهَ اخَوًّنَيَ بَقَعَدَوًّ بَالَيَوًّمَيَنَ مَافَى اكلَ وًّالَلَهَ وًّضَعَنَا كثَيَرَ صَعَبَ نَحَنَ 6 نَفَرَ دَاخَلَ الَبَيَتَ وًّابَيَ مَتَوًّفَيَ وًّلَا يَوًّجَدَ مَنَ يَعَوًّلَ عَلَيَنَا وًّسَاكنَيَنَ فَيَ بَيَتَ اجَارَ لَانَسَتَطَيَعَ دَفَعَ الَاجَارَ الَلَيَ بَاقَيَ عَلَيَنَا ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه نازحين انا واسرتي بيننا ایت الشهرب 15 الف يمني والان علينا 45 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي واخوتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه خواتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني بقدر استطاعتك مع تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم00967717415667 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير اخواني سغار شوف كيف حالتهم وساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خيرا`°`^“{`}|π√`^~÷،،،،،،،،،،،،٠٠