Is this bike the pinnacle of cycling engineering? Si thinks he’s found the ultimate bike… a vintage Pinarello Dyna, ridden in the Tour de France by climbing legend, José María Jiménez. Si tests this spectacular Pinarello Dyna against the latest Dogma to see whether his peak bike theory rings true.
00:00 Intro
01:02 Pinarello Dyna Tour de France vintage bike
02:50 Si rides the vintage Pinarello
03:35 Dario Pegoretti frame
05:34 Is the vintage Pinarello Dyna good?
08:14 Pinarello Dyna components and Campagnolo group set
10:32 What makes this peak bike?
11:01 How fast is the Pinarello Dyna?
13:08 Which bike is best?
15:22 Which bike was faster?
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[Applause] was this peak bike it’s 30 years old but does it still represent the Pinnacle of road bikes since the ’90s road bikes have undoubtedly got stiffer lighter and faster but at what cost in this video we’re going to dive into it what makes this bike so
Incredible what price have we paid for the program of the last 30 years and how much better is the modern equivalent ultimately I want you to tell me in the comments section whether or not you think this was indeed Peak Fight Firstly then what is this it’s a pinell diner their top of the range bike in the mid90s and this bike this very bike was only the one ridden in the 1995 tour to France by the late Jose Maria gimenez this is an insane piece of cycling history Himes was part of cycling’s rock
And roll generation who lived fast and also for a few tragically died young blighted by depression and rumors of substance abuse he died at the age of 32 just two months before his good friend Marco pantani now like pantani he too was brilliant on his day but in the 95
Tour of France he was there to escort his bonesta teammate Miguel indine to his Fifth and final win the diner is made out of steel making indurain the last Rider to win the Tour of France on a bike made out of this material although technically in ’95 he
Did also have the Bonkers Le futuristic carbon esparada time tral bike at his disposal as well now whilst this bike is as you can see clearly a pinell each of the team bikes was also crafted by Dario pegoretti the most iconic frame builder of the last 40 years certainly possibly
Ever he was beloved of pro cyclist who queued up in their droves to get frames welded by the master now it’s a good job that Jimenez was taller than average for a climber because this is absolutely my size honestly I’m not sure which I’m most excited about riding a vintage
Pinell riding another tour to France race bike or riding a genuine pegoretti if you like this kind of video too then make sure you hit the Thumbs Up Button And subscribe to gcn if you’re not already to support the channel for more of this kind of content and actually
While we’re doing thank yous huge thanks to Dan from vintage V for Lending us this absolute classic now back to the job in hand though as I said this bike is both pinell and pegoretti so how on Earth did that happened well pinell need no introduction the much loved flamboyant Italian manufacturer have
Been at The Cutting Edge of road racing for over 50 years now racking up tours to France like they were 10 a penny and pegoretti well he will likely need more of an introduction but where do you start perhaps I guess with his mastery of TIG welding but it was that in
Combination with his flare for perfect custom geometry that’s what made him so beloved of pro cyclists from the ’90s but then when all those Pros moved on to carbon fiber in later years pegoretti would treat each of his customers bikes like a blank canvas to turn into a work
Of art each frame unique and true collector’s items prior to that though he was less artist and more technical master and actually the union between him and pinell was a very simple one he was doing contract work for pinell as they’ managed to secure his services to build this their
Top end bike and whilst not all diners were welded by him all of the race bikes were but there is more so the tube set that goes up to make this bike din a light from dead of cheer was r to have actually been created and selected by pegoretti himself as
Well there’s clearly an aura of romance about this bike enough stories myth and mystery to make a Hollywood movie out of it but that is of course a rarity not many bikes are blessed with that so we shouldn’t let that color whether or not we see this as Peak bike Nostalgia is
The enemy of of objectivity so to answer the question we need to know if it’s any good and the answer yes yes it is actually really really good surprisingly so I was surprised that how stiff the bike feels under power like this is not a nudely lugged steel frame surprise surprise
It’s a bike for a pro cyclist and pro cyclist had a lot of what AG back then I mean it’s not light you can say that I think the complete bike is 9.01 kilos that’s with pedals but nevertheless it’s still 2 kilos heavier than a modern Tor of
France race bike and those of course are designed with other performance objectives in mind other than just light weight we’ve got aerodynamics we’ve got disc brakes etc etc and you’ve also got a say that bikes got an awful lot lighter very rapidly in the years after this one so in
1996 it was B ree who won the Tour to France also a border Pinella but his was an aluminium one which shed quite a few grams and actually just two years later Marco panton’s bike was 6.96 kilos and I mention that because his to was welded
By pegoretti as with the other 24th r that he rode in 1998 so why is this one better well the fact that Marco pantani had 25 frames in a season tells you something but no I don’t think that steel is inherently better than aluminium or anything else a lightweight steel bike is just as fragile as a lightweight aluminium one
But I think there’s a certain Simplicity and robustness that comes from this material plus by the ’90s manufacturers knew what the limits of this material was and they could work within that plus it’s cheaper and it’s more accessible plus you can select the ride characteristics you want from your frame
By choosing specific tubes that would meet those requirements and even now it stood the test of time because whilst it’s not raced anymore steel is still considered a premium material for luxury [Applause] Bites there’s something else though Simplicity is the theme Here everything on this bike is easily serviceable easily replaceable apart from the tires cuz they’re tubulous but we’ll save that for another day and also not that expensive either even the campanola record titanium group set is not that
Bad by current standards and it’s a cracking group set nine speeed actually got quite a wide range of gears on here got a 25 on the cassette all right so not that wide a range of Gears but I can live with it you don’t have to ride up steep climbs
Do you and I don’t really like them anyway if I’m being completely honest shifting is nowhere near as smooth or as quiet as modern group sets but it is still predictable it’s tactile and actually fast as well and what you do get with this group set is dreamy
Ergonomic so these levers were light years ahead of their competition with the hidden cables and this flat transition from Lever to bar plus if you’ve never used it before mechanical campanola has a thumb shifter on the inside of the lers and it’s absolutely addictive every time you downshift you got to picture yourself
There an Italian Pro attacking over the top of a climb you just want to hoof it every time you shift now you know why else this bike rocks have a look at these flipping Wheels first generation campanola borers some of the earliest Carbon wheels out
There and it’s got to be said I’m going to include them in Peak bike just because of the the way they look for me the single best thing you can do to improve the look of a bike is to stick deep section Carbon wheels on particularly with bladed spokes the braking performance is
Average at best except in the rain when it borders on terrible but who cares when you look this Cool so what makes this bike Peak I think the argument would have to be that it’s good enough it’s light enough the gears work well enough you’ve got modern ergonomics on there it looks absolutely rad particularly with these wheels but then you add in the Simplicity that you get
The ease of use the economy of it but what we don’t yet know is actually whether it’s fast enough to be clear this is not a scientific test I only have a power meter on one bike the two bikes put me in different positions anyway and although the diner has modern
Tires they are still different to the pellis on my current Dogma but by going flat out on each bike I should get a feel for what separates the two and perhaps a bit of oxygen debt will cement my thoughts anyway there are moments of clarity when you have lactate up to your eyeballs God it’s hot bike felt amazing like it felt quick feels like it holds it speed I guess partly going have to wait the road surface up here is terrible but tubs are good for soaking it all up as always though the most striking things are the little bike fit things
Like 1 75 more cranks feel too long so you constantly feel you’re fighting that and the seat angle is way slack so I’m constantly trying to shift forward none of which is relevant to whether or not this she Peak bike or not but that what’s going through my head right now right
On to the next one beep beep beep beep feels so different so much more responsive the other one whether it’s the cranks the position the weight whatever if you want to accelerate feels like you need to sort of mentally check in before you want to go faster whereas
Here you think about it and it’s done before we get to the results I’m going to give you my two cents about whether or not this is Peak bike so I think that if bike technology had plateaued after this one then I would be perfectly happy riding this for the end
Of my days nothing that has been designed or created for road bikes since the mid90s has materially added to the enjoyment of cycling for me and actually yeah we have lost some things along the way like Simplicity and affordability as well certainly for top end bikes I was
Going to do a car analogy to this I was going to say that this pinell dyo was like a Jaguar e type or a Ferrari 250 GT a thing of absolute beauty and a joy to take out for a spin but where a car analogy falls down is that of course
This bike doesn’t have an engine you are the engine and so the fact is if you’re a 3 500 or a Ferrari you will go further and faster and it feel easier on the new bike and that is a huge difference and also whereas you might not be able to
Maintain this bike without a vast a rare of tools or a little bit more time I think as fair to say most people probably don’t and never have maintained their own bike bike shops have done a roaring trade maintaining people’s bikes since way before bikes of this area as
Well so I think it’s a very Niche spectrum of cyclists for whom that is actually relevant and the last thing is that I feel like as a deeply mediocre x-pro cyclist I probably have quite a niche perspective on this anyway and as I was riding around on this bike I was
Thinking that all of the modern inventions actually make cycling better for more cyclist this bike is a tour to France race bike and it’s amazing for it but actually 30 mil tires disc brakes wider gear ratios it makes cycling better for more people so that’s my two
Cents this is kind of peak bike but it’s not this kind of thing is better for more cyclists now in terms of results well the modern bike was surprise surprise faster but not by a huge amount over an 11 and 1 half minute long test I was 10 seconds quicker now
Did I put the same effort out second time around it’s impossible to say it definitely felt easier on the modern bike in spite of already having one effort in my legs but nevertheless faster is faster although not by a vast amount so there you have it what do you
Think to the time difference and what do you think to whether or not Jose Maria gimenez’s pegoretti built pinell Diner is indeed Peak bike get involved in the comment section down below I cannot wait to read what you’ve got to say about all this and remember as well give this
Video a big thumbs up Dan thank you again for the loan of the bike if uh if you ever sell it let me know okay cuz you’ll be first on the list thank you very much this is absolutely top of my Christmas list it’s not for sale not
For I don’t think I could afford it anyway
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🤔 Do you think this is peak bike?🥇
Campagnolo brakes were some of the first that gave you confidence in the wet to keep control. Something about the rubber compound in the pads.
Peak bike for me was around 2017 give or take a few yrs. You could get a really nice mid – range bike for relatively cheap. You could get an aero bike, a climbing bike, or an allrounder if you wanted. Armed with a carbon wheelset, and a alloy wheelset( or carbon wheel with alloy brake track) and a change of brake pads you could handle any terrain no matter the conditions with just a quick pad change. 30mm tyres were still a bit "crazy" but 28mm were still pretty accepted. Gear ratio's were great with compact, semi compact, and standard and 11-32/ 11-34 cassettes. Bikes were super easy to work on. There was basically nothing to complain about. Since, all we've been given is more complication, frustration, lack of adjustability, higher bike weights, and much higher prices.
Such a wonderful bike. The 90s was a time of massive experimentation for bike companies and so many innovations we see today, came from this era!
I remember seeing a Belgian amateur with those Campagnolo Boras and I couldn't believe it. They were mega rare and it was very unusual to see a rider using them.
How cinematic do you need the intro to be?
GCN: Yes.
Very nice but not quite the “Peak”. For me it would have to be properly FILLET BRAZED and have the gorgeous Campagnolo Record 10spd Carbon groupset from the early 2000’s. A fuctional piece of art! 😎
I would choose the old Pinarello over the new one in a heartbeat
can't be a peak steel bike without beautiful lugs
Old bikes rock.
I suppose the other thing is, today, we all (if we have the available funds) can buy a brand new Pinarello, the exact same as what ineos are riding in the grand tours whereas the older classic Pinarello was hand built to fit the person who was riding it, we had zero chance of owning the same bike! So, although modern bikes may have lost a lot of the elegance and romance of the old steel bikes they are as Simon states better for more people! Peak bike surely must be the bike that gives the most benefit to the majority of riders.
Yeah it's nice but come on, a welded frame? No solder lugs!
Great video, I loved it. For any lover of steel bikes this is great content. More please! What about the Merckx MX Leader etc…..?
Those last iterations of steel frames in the pro peloton are fantastic in my opinion.
Great film, lovely bike! Cracking backdrop to film in, made the bike look a million dollars. And I totally agree with Simon regarding old and new. My two bikes are 14 years apart, but my old Cannondale 6 is super easy to maintain and just as enjoyable to ride, albeit a touch slower, as my modern Ribble.
Dan from Vintage Velos is a Champion:) Much love.
The only really important thing since then were disc brakes for better safety, but apart from that, a 90s bike with STI levers really is as good as it needs to be.
Re maintaining one's own bikes being easier with old models, however: I have all the tools to maintain my modern bikes with hydraulic brakes, etc., but I don't even have a tool to pull old cranks with a square taper. So that argument is going away quickly 🙂
The bike industry has been destroyed with charging too much & non generic parts , hence the weight of the bikes has increased since the millennium
👍 if you think Oli had a fit over not getting to cover this video.😂
Might have been peak bike for the decade, but there are more decades, unfortunately, I can go back on. Might make another interesting video to go back within older riders memories.
Another car analogy: sometimes wheels make them look good. They do make that old bike look good!
The Dyna is as elegant as the Dogma is ugly, advancement in carbon technology certainly hasn’t done bike aesthetics any favours. Si’s issues with the Dyna could easily be addressed – fitting a modern mechanical groupset would give a wider range of gears and modern wheels with a proper braking surface and matching pads would improve the brake performance. IMO for cycling pleasure a steel frame with mechanical components hits the spot!
5:57 For reasons we all know😁
Put it this way, when I win lotto, the very first thing I’m buying is a Pegoretti.
Not a carbon Pinerallo