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    0:00 Economics & Returns
    3:21 Economic Outlook
    12:18 Investing Ahead

    Good day fellow investors today we’re going to discuss how the economy matters or doesn’t matter for investing going forward it matters but I know that the first quote that comes to your mind is Peter Lynch and how he says that if you spend 15 minutes analyzing economic and market forecasts you’ve wasted 10

    Minutes however the key here is the forecasts we’re not going to discuss forecasts we’re going to discuss fundamentals and the fundamentals now and you also see SE claran discuss it in the forward of the new addition of security analysis are that we have the FED distorting Market Powers distorting

    Also economic Powers so we have to know what’s going on and adjust our risk and reward exposure to those strengths and therefore it is extremely important to discuss this and this actually came to my mind a few weeks ago when I escaped with my wife to Paris for a weekend and

    I was actually shocked we were in Paris and I was looking around and I said what’s going on here it is not as great as one would think about homeless people filthiness you see that the sparkle there is gone and then I went to check

    Things as we were on the very fast train and then I saw the following if we look at France’s GDP measured in US Dollars that is the global Reserve currency this was in 2008 and now 15 years later it is approximately there maybe a little bit higher as these are

    2021 numbers but this is 15 years of economic stag and likely a recession again around the corner for Europe and even worse situation in Italy actually declining GDP and Spain similarly and therefore I was thinking okay this should also have a huge impact on our investment returns

    Which is why we are here no so I looked at the French stock market index this is nothing 6,000 now 8,000 and you can see that the returns haven’t been Stellar compare that to Germany that has seen 20% economic growth measured in US Dollars and I

    Think this is a total return index but still from 8,000 18,000 sounds much better not even to mention United States from 14 trillion to 23 trillion and of course the sap 500 is more than a FreeX over Peck to Peck and therefore when it comes to investing it’s important to

    Know the economics so that we invest with Tailwinds because when you invest with Tailwinds if you make mistakes those don’t hurt as much so let’s discuss the economic Outlook and I’ll immediately tell you it is unfortunately unsustainable and this good stock market performance in Europe and the sap 500 is

    Not a fundamental thing from recession fears we are 40% up on lower interest rates expectations with thep 500 76% up over the last four five years but everyone is betting on a Fed ECB put that will not allow markets to go down will not allow sessions and before discussing the risk

    And reward of investing and positioning I have found very interesting article as I was reading on these matters lessons from Italy’s economic deine and you can see here on the chart how Italy enjoyed Good Times relatively Good Times 70s 80s but then here from the 2000s you can see

    It flattening and actually declining out why well you have those those productivity Cycles but at some point if you get too much into thatt then the contribution of capital to productivity gets lower and consequently you have a negative productivity Factor because of too much debt too much interest too much

    Cost and then problems pile up with bureaucrat political issues etc etc and now when I saw this okay this is the explanation then I go and look at the Outlook and the best way is to go to Ray dalos even if I don’t like personally

    Ralo he has great data and if you type into Google counter power index 2023 you will get to this great readings across major Powers he’s looking from Empire perspective but China and us are still leading China is growing us is stagnating Japan declining Euro Zone declining stagnating a little bit but

    Italy going towards the negatives however the keys there are that the big cycle for the US looks mostly unfavorable over the next 10 20 years everyone is investing based on the past 20 years but the next 20 years is what matters and if we look at the trends going forward the growth is

    Unlikely to be 2% or higher per year just 1.4% and that is because significantly more foreign debts than foreign assets High extremely highs non-financial debt levels and yes it is an owned currency m which mitigates it debt risks but that you can mitigate only with inflation so

    The Outlook is not positive China looks mixed at least not negative but still it has 4.3% growth per year and Euro Zone looks the worst with next 10 years practically no economic growth at a recession and these are again positive linear expectations and Europe will be like Italy having no economic growth going

    Forward so when countries have good times but those are based on thatb at some point that debt doesn’t work anymore we already see that in Italy in Spain in France and next is also other countries I hope it doesn’t happen as soon but these are the fundamental

    Economics that matter when it comes to your in investing and investing Outlook and just a side note if you’re looking for Value investing no matter the economics where we own businesses and try to constantly build wealth through owning more through dividends special situations check my research platform

    Where there are plenty of such value investment unrelated to Market ideas and the thing is that with all the debt that has been issued at some point it doesn’t work anymore now it’s not that it will be terrible but it won’t be great and as I’m from Croatia I will give you just

    Some explanation in 2005 there were 12% of Italian tourists coming to Croatia okay you see Croatia is very close to Italy and fosto Italians would enjoy the Croatian Coast however 15 years forward Italians went from 12% of foreign tourists in Croatia to 5.6% that’s a huge Decline and you can

    See that the Italians don’t have the money they used to have 15 years ago Germans are on level but there has been a drop in spending in Italy you can see that around Italy France and that is the cost people are paying slowly and steadily declining and then on on top of

    That all the other issues compiling politics bureaucracy whatever that is the key here and when it comes to investing you want to be invested with Tailwinds and my message here is that slowly and steadily and we’ll discuss that also outlook for the US now that

    Joy of life that cherry on the cak is sleeping away and you don’t feel it 15 years pass and you look around and you miss that wealth you had that is the biggest risk for developed economies going forward alongside stupid things that politicians might do but I will not

    Get into that and if you want to hear something on that topic which is very important and gives you the detail from Stanley dren Miller I’ll put here a card so you can watch that video you can also read it online just Google it stra Miller USC Marshall and he discusses

    Exactly what has happened in Italy and look at this these are the expectations federal spending percentage of GDP GDP will grow but this will grow faster Medicare Medicaid and all these entitlements and those will just grow and grow and grow in 20 years entitlements will cover 60% of all taxes

    Thus that is long-term negative economic Outlook looks and the debt has already been piling there we are at World War II levels and this is also a reason why stocks most up thanks to the debt that has been issued the lower interest rates and look at here bottom of that when

    People said okay now we have to change something 1982 bottom of the market this is adjusted for inflation 1982 and since then it has been nothing but up however when there is the leveraging you know that it can be nothing but down for a very very long period of time and

    Further you can read that but what is worse is that the current debt levels that we just showed do not account for what the government has promised it will pay you in terms of Social Security and Medicare it actually assumes these payments will be zero and further dra Miller discusses it structural deficits

    Are piling up crazily and therefore I’m saying this is unsustainable we have seen what this has led to Italy Spain Etc there are Mar technological advantages education Etc however at some point this net interest on the debt that’s already issued starts becoming a huge burden 27% of total outlays so the

    Situation is not good and despite that we have asset bubbles now people are rushing into now ai it was Bitcoin Arc a little bit Fang again biot earlier and those bubbles usually deflate but when it comes to investing ahead I don’t think it is that smart to just bet on a

    Fed ECB put because we need to take into account f fundamentals versus reality and when you look at that there are much better options around the world I was just looking at Asian stocks on my research platform this is the expectations for economic growth in the Philippines so 6% going forward and

    Compare that to the debt burdens in developed markets interest payments I would say first and foremost avoid discrepancy based short-term picks yes interest rates might go lower you make 20% and then what when it comes to long-term investing so look at what you own and what is the risk and reward of

    What you own is it based on fundamentals no matter what happens I end up okay in 5 to 10 years or are you betting on something being positive and this Deb cycle continuing for what I’m doing check my research platform I’ll see you in the next video

    42 Comments

    1. I hate the European market, Germany and France are its current core countries. Its gigantic, so many company's, a lot of strong brands. Still after England left the EU. But if I look at EU, I don't know what it does very good… Its all over te place, all at once, nonstop. EU has it so difficult with every individual country focusing on their most important industry. Just last year they announced that they will invest (43 billion) in competitiveness and resilience in semiconductor technologies and applications, and help achieve both the digital and green transition. European has so many small semiconductor companys. Europe is not leading in this sector and they will keep building more niche semiconductor company's. Smaller company's helps to decrease the price, but major players are in America and soon China (if Taiwan doesn't watch out). I just get tired only thinking about it, I have a very small portion in my portfolio, because the euro and their bonds are safe and is strong. I hate Europe.

    2. And you used nominal figures for the GDPs of European countries. If you deflate those numbers by the CPI, they are MUCH worse. 

      The same situation is happening in Brazil. Stagnant economy for 10 yrs. Steadily increasing taxes to cover government deficits. Real GDP surpassing potential GDP (and the inflationary pressure that comes from it). And governmental debt steadily increasing.

    3. Fun fact: the vid last exactly the 13 min Peter Lynch has stated 😂

      Personally, I don’t see much correlation between GDP growth and the business / stock market.
      Look at the US. Low GDP exceptional stock market for 10+ years…
      It boils down mainly to interest rate (expectations).
      The rest is a stable, rule based market environment where businesses can operate…

    4. I try and dip my toes into some macro a bit! I agree alot with you, GDP growth is important for sure, and one large influence affecting GDP growth is actually the government, and if they introduce austerity measures. Which Europe has been more in favor, stifling companies by limiting their growth and so-called monopolies. You need a government willing to let credit grow (borrowing and lending). Any countries have tailwinds, Japan?

    5. American markets are like addicted people. It's been leaving on stimulus. By the time you cut, the craving comes. In election year, I believe it won't happen this year, but it will happen

    6. Thank you for keeping it real with us. We're all getting hit over the head with these prices, the good thing is being in a position to pay these prices. I feel really bad for those who are not in the position to pay for their basic needs. God bless Donald Onida imagine inviting $2,000 and getting $10,760 in 5days

    7. Islways invested with the mindset to buy shares in companies for 25years and paid little attention to economics, and I got very wealthy doing that, however i reduced my holdings from 2007 to 2009 and from early 2020 to 2022….. that helped too, and I avoided weak economies… guess Sven is right

    8. I'm not entirely convinced that your statement about Italian tourists is completely accurate. Prices in Croatia have been increasing, and the country is not as affordable as it once was, especially during the tourist season. Nowadays, you can probably find comparable prices for similar services in Italy.

    9. The incompetence and corruption that runs through this administration are getting more ridiculous. I feel for people with disabilities not getting the help they deserve. Thanks for keeping us financially Educated! Regardless of how bad it gets on the economy, I still made over $65000 last month while trading

    10. 🗽 Investing for the next 10 years in stocks probably is with a strong head wind… value investing and some diversification gets even more important!
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    11. Great video! I really do have a quick question. For someone with less than $10,000 to invest, How would you recommend we enter the market? I am looking study some traders and copy their strategy rather than investing myself and losing money emotionally. Whats your take on this approach?

    12. Problem is that the world changes so when looking in the moment it is easy to be pessimistic. I see an opportunity for companies to increase their margins with AI. Possibility is not zero for a white collar slaughter, AI has the promise to ten fold the productivity of one employee. If one is happy to not loose and ok to not be a winner the best bet is indexing for most. It is easy to dig one self into a hole, I think one could have argued that we have been in a bubble for ten years now.

    13. Not going to bother watching. It just happens that the times to buy are when the macro looks scary to the masses. But the macro doesn’t matter and likely never will because it is outside of our control as individuals.

    14. It’s eeven worse for France and others because they’ve let in millions of migrants that should’ve moved the gdp way higher. Although migrants adding to gdp doesn’t matter if they use more resources which they do than what they add to the gdp.

    15. Doom and gloom in the stock market may happen (unfortunately Sven is on point), but we should get discouraged. I think living a good life is possible even if your country economy doesn't grow as much (especially if basic needs are met already).

    16. in Euro terms the GDP of France/Italy/Spain increased, and that is the better measure than USD, because USD/EUR exchange rate just went down (as it rose before), that is the reason.
      Best would be PPP terms – purchase power parity.
      No: although France/Italy/Spain didn´t do well, the GDP didn´t shrink.
      and by the way: the DAX performed terrible if you look at the course index, it is only up because it is a performance index, thus including ALL DIVIDENDS EVER PAID (since 1987) … that is the only major index that is like this, as far as I know …

    17. Hmmmmm. Predicting the economics of countries seems pretty difficult. The US outperformed expectations and China underperformed relative to what was expected a few years ago. You can say its all about money printing, but technology is driving productivity gains in ways that were unexpected. Ai is just starting to reinvent the economy and we don’t know where it will go. I don’t value economic predictions – people are consistently burned trying to predict economics. The US is still the best economy in the world for generating new innovation, and having a rich startup/vc ecosystem.

    18. buffet says that its already too difficult too find good value that its useless to do global macro.

      i disagree and we saw it during hiking rates 2022-2023.

      is there an exception with NORWAY for europe…oil fund wealth, new energy hub for europe…europe is dead FOR SURE, but whats about norway stocks… cause i found interesting things there

    19. Peter Lynch:

      I’ve always said if you spend 13 minutes a year on economics, you’ve wasted 10 minutes."

      Sven, you wasted 10 minutes here😂

    20. Sorry with Sven, but italians dont come anymore in Croazia, cause the price there were skyrocketing. Like all things, when things are cheap, many will come, but increase demand and so price. Now italians goes to Albania, but things are changing there like in Croazia once. Its not italian money, its how much things cost with time 🙂

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