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Bikepacking Q&A EP:19
In this video I answer a great question from Joe about Gravel or MTB for bikepacking.
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Timestamps:
00:00 – Intro
00:14 – The Gravel Bike?
02:30 – The MTB?
06:69 – Which is best for bikepacking?
08:06 – Summary and Q&A Reminder
#bikepacking #gravelbike #mtb
Hello and welcome to another bike packing Q&A video in this video we’re going to answer a very simple question that I got in from Joe he’s wanting to start bike packing and he basically asked which one should he get a gravel bike or a mountain bike so let’s start
With the gravel bike and I’ll be honest this is usually my preferred option out of the two I’ve taken this bike all over the world in all conditions pretty much other than deep snow and the reason I love this bike so much is it’s very versatile and out of the two over most
Terrain it is the fastest because you’ve got a lower riding position you’ve got the drop bars you’ve also got the AA bars on mine it just means you can get lower and therefore more Arrow so you can go faster but I also have smoother tires and skinnier tires compared to the
Mountain bike which just means the rolling resistance is lower the gearing is also better for going faster that coupled with the fact I’m in a lower riding position means on the whole this is the faster of the two as well as being the faster of the two typically
Over most terrains anyway the gravel bike is actually pretty tough it’s tougher than you think it can handle pretty much anything in moderation the reason I say in moderation is if you are planning on hammering it over really rough stuff it’s probably not suited to that but handling a little bit of that
Mixed in with some gravel and Road and cycle bridleways it is a really good option I actually run Two Wheel sets on my gravel bike at the moment I’ve got 650 BS but I also have some 700c which is a slightly larger wheel the 650 BS
Allow you to fit bigger tires so if you are planning on doing more off-road stuff I would consider that as an option having two Wheel sets really allows you to go pretty much anywhere I swap the 700 C’s on for the summertime or if I’m doing a road SL bridleway canal toe path
Sort of tour where I don’t need really rugged tires and that allows me to go faster over that sort of terrain and as well as that gravel bikes tend to come with rack mounts as standard so I’ve got a p rack on there like old school and as
A result I can fit my top peak MTX trunk bag on there which is my go-to set of Piers for all my filming equipment now modern day gravel bikes tend to also have Fork mounts and other fancy mounts as well which means that you can take
Quite a lot of stuff now you don’t really need rack mounts if you want to just use bike packing bags if you’re going to go minimal but for me I like lots of stuff so I like to have that as an option based on that why would you
Want a mountain bike for bike packing cuz the gravel bike can pretty much do anything thing right well not exactly let me run through the reasons why you might want a mountain bike over a gravel Bike by showing you my mountain bike this is what I use for certain bike
Packing trips over the gravel bike which I’ll explain now the first reason you might want to consider a mountain bike is they are pretty indestructible bombproof in fact as a result it means you can pretty much take these bikes anywhere and they’ll be able to handle
It no problem it also means that you can carry more stuff as you can see here I’ve got this bike in Winter bike packing mode which means I’ve got this massive dry bag on the front fork bags frame bags paer bags as well and they’re all full of important stuff that I need
To take when I’m going bike packing in really cold conditions I’ve got my winter sleeping bag Arctic sleeping bag in fact in there and all of my other stuff to keep me comfortable now you don’t have to pack loads of stuff of course but I just have that reassurance
When I’m going winter bike packing or somewhere where any loads of stuff using the mountain bike cuz it can handle much more weight without causing damage as well as being able to carry more stuff and being virtually indestructible they also come with suspension as standard
Most of the time now you can get bikes with rigid forks and things that are Moun bikes but most of the time you’ll find you get at least some front suspension but you can also get rear suspension as well which means that if you’re going over really Rocky stuff or
Just jarring gravel that extra bit of cushion really makes a difference even if you go as small as 100 Mil travel which I have here on my bike I’ve recently got back from the Canary Islands and there was one particular stretch of riding I did in fua Ventura
Where it was like washboard gravel it was so uncomfortable but I could feel my front suspension doing the work and I just thought to myself every mile I was on that awful section of the route If I Was Here on my gravel bik now my hands
Would have gone numb it was that jarring I could feel the suspension doing its work and that was only with 100 Mil of travel so if you’ve got a bike with even more than that even more cushion you are going to be thankful for it over that Rocky and rough terrain most mountain
Bikes also come with flat bars mine are slightly bent but they’re not drop bars like you get on gravel and road bikes that means you can carry a bigger front bag or a bigger dry bag like I’ve got here without having to squash it in between the drops like you would with a
Gravel bike so even if you haven’t got loads of rack mounts on your mounted bike it just means you can take more stuff in the front without having to do anything different at all speaking of comfort even though travel bikes nowadays do have pretty good Tire clearance you’re always going to get
Better Tire clearance on a mountain bike as a result you can fit bigger tires I’ve got 3-in tires here on my 27.5 wheels and run them at a lower pressure which just adds to the Comfort adds to the grip as well and just makes the ride a little bit more comfortable and
Because you can fit bigger tires and run them at lower pressures that is the main reason I use this mountain bike over my gravel bike in the winter I want to go bike packing all year round in the snow in the ice and I don’t feel confident
Doing that on a gravel bike with skinnier tires this bike has been to Arctic Norway with these exact tires on in winter with a couple of feet of snow at times and it was absolutely fantastic I know for a fact that I got the grip
When I need it and the confidence to go through the snow without fear of slipping you don’t have to go to the extreme of going to Arctic Norway even here in the UK I go up to Scotland most Winters to do some bik packing trips and
Even then I’m glad of having these fat tires for the grip and finally probably the biggest selling point of having a mountain bike for some people is the gearing you have really easy gears nowadays as standard on most mountain bikes this has got a 52 to sprocket on
The rear and a 36 to up front that means I’ve got a really easy gear going up pretty much any terrain I’ll be able to handle it having easy gears isn’t just for people who are out of shape or getting on a bit it’s actually really
Useful if you’ve got of stuff you’ll be surprised when you go bike packing how heavy your bike becomes and if you have those really easy gears you’ll know that you don’t have to get off and push pretty much at any point so Joe which bike should you go for probably both
Having both is a luxury and it’s a nice luxury to have it means that you can plan which bike packing trip you’re going to do and decide based on the planning and research that you’ve done which one you want to go for but I am a realist and not everybody can have loads
Of bikes in their garage so if you’re the sort of person who just wants one bike packing bike you’ve got budget for one you just want to try it and see how things go then you need to think about the sort of riding that you’re going to
Be doing from my point of view if you’re going to be doing 50 to 75% of your riding on roads or cycle paths then the gravel bike is the bike you should be going for I mentioned before that the gravel bike can pretty much handle anything that you throw at it in
Moderation so if you’re only planning on doing a small amount of riding on gravel or off road then it will probably be able to handle it especially if you can stretch to a couple of Wheel sets like I do it just gives you that flexibility if however you’re going to be doing less
Than 50% of your riding on roads or you want to go bike packing in All Seasons then the mountain bike is probably the option I would go for there you know that it’s bombproof and it can handle the road of course it’s going to be slower on the road than the gravel bike
But if you are going to be doing some really rough stuff or going out in the snow or ice then you’ll be really glad to get something like this that you can depend on it’s a Workhorse and you can rely on it time and time again let me
Know which bike you think is best for bike packing in the comments section below and make sure you tell me why as well I’d love to hear from you give this video a thumbs up and subscribe if you’re not already and I’ll see you in the next video
29 Comments
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Excellent video mate! I'm hoping the industry comes up with an "affordable " suspension gravel bike at some point. That, or I have to buy an mtb and tweak it to be faster..
I prefer a all terrain bike like my Olsen Pinion Lamb ,they are more expensive but you only need one bike ,I never now use any of my other bikes .I also have a suspension stem & seat post .
Frontier owner here too, love it….MTB all the way for me, don't like drop bars and just find the MTB far more comfy and can be ridden all year. I'm not fussed about speed really.
I’ve both an MTB and a gravel and have bikepacked on both but for rough routes and/or when I’m loaded for camping I prefer the MTB.
Comfier and far more capable when descending on anything other than tarmac/smooth gravel.
Yes i think grsvel bike is the way 2 go. Especially if you have something like specialized diverge thst im lucky e have as that has s touch of front suspension not much but it definitely helps
Hi, great video, me and the wife both have Sonder Frontiers, may I just ask which rear rack you have fitted? We have the Ortlieb quick racks but the mount on the seat tube seems a little flimsy!
Forget this crap about "bike packing". I have been bike touring for 40 years, get a touring bike and get out there, throw away all those rediculous bags and get a set of panniers, some decent camping gear and get on with it. Forget the dictates of the fashion/cycling industry and get engaged with the reality of living outdoors on a bike. I have cycled thousands of miles thro Europe etc, doing it with a "bikepacking" setup is total nonsense.
As someone in their sixties with neck problems I find dropbar bikes uncomfortable for prolonged periods although I was once younger where I did not ride anything but dropbar bikes!
I think England is best for bike packing, no predators 😅
I have a MTB dont mountain bike and im getting a beach cruiser and no beach
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Could someone turn the drop bars up for more comfortability?
Do you ever feel any worries when you are out on longer trips that the frame (sonder) might fail or does it feel solid? fully packed?
If you're bike packing on easy terrain then the gravel bike but if you're doing serious off road miles a gravel bike is as useful as a chocolate watch.
I chose a touring bike. Recently bought a Giant Toughroad SLR2. Mountain Bike for stunts and enduro riding. A gravel bike for high-speed, semi-sporty off-road driving. And for traveling, it is better to have a comfortable fit, a long wheelbase for stability, and high reliability of the structure in order to hang equipment on it. Just my opinion.
Interesting I agree with most of what you said but I run 700x 45 on my titanium gravel bike and could go bigger, I have ridden it mostly off road all year and with the right tyres it pretty much copes with anything and I have a 36;46 gear set up which gets me up most things even at 67. I regularly ride in the lakes, and Yorkshire Dales on what would have been considered xc routes. That said I have been thinking about a hardtail like a Cotic Solaris, or a Moxie Sirius so I have the option of plotting some really rough routes where grip control and comfort become a factor. Also in that terrain overall speed is less important and probably going down hill you will clear obstacles better and go quicker. In winter you definitely need more kit especially if your are a bit more remote just from a safety and comfort perspective. I think the lines are blurring and some new bikes like those made by Pace offer drop bar, carbon fork or flat bar / 120mm fork for the same frame. Also you can hoon around local trails on the suspension bike. I am waiting to see if my bank balance allows for an extra bike as already have , road, full suspension and gravel bike but deep down I would like another.
Gravel ? lol 😂
We use to call those touring bikes until the eighties MTB came along . then the gravel bike suddenly had two origins.
question- if i ride my MTB or any bike for that matter on Multiple surfaces , am i gravel riding or am i just riding my bike on multiple surfaces ? 😂
Two low cost starter options – 90s steel framed hybrids are dirt cheap, robust, low geared and take tyres up to 42c, mine was £50 – low spec 29er hard tail, my GT was £90 3*8 allows 22T on front with 34T on rear. Not at all fashionable but I have done some great trips across Dartmoor on them. Of the two the hybrid is my favourite.
Nice presentation Tom and I used a Ridgeback hybrid when I did the Coast 2 Coast. Great for clocking up the miles on the tarmac but murder on my arms going cross country. I'll be doing the King Alfred Way on my MTB in May because, as you say, the front suspension will protect my hands and wrists. Cheers.
Is that Drax power station .
I definitely agree it matters where and how you want to ride, for me drop bars are so much more comfortable for my hands-so I found a gravel bike that will take up to 700×50 tires and going to 650's would increase that clearance
When I first started thinking about travel with my bike I had a road bike and I got my touring bike a Dawes Super Galaxy triple chain set fullracks and panniers which was handy at all times as I did on call in a hospital and needed to carry a fair bit.
I now have two road bikes, a gravel bike and two MTB. I would go touring on my road bikes and I did do the Great Glen Way on one of them. I then got my Gravel bike with 650b wheels and quite aggressive tyres for up here in Scotland they are a bit of a bind on tarmac so it does strictly gravel. The MTB’s are for winter the old one is a triple chain set and is pretty much an ornament. I was having it fully serviced and ended up buying a new MTB I forgot just how comfy they were and as you say the gears will go up anything and the tyres over anything and I’d probably be quite happy using it for off road touring. I also quite like the simplicity of just having a single chain set.
Gravel and MTB are great up here in Scotland as out roads aren’t that great and even when I got my latest road bike which wears 32’s the difference for up here comfort wise was so much better.
If I was however only going to have one bike to most things it would be a gravel bike ( don’t tell my ProjectOne Domane though)😂
Can you explain about the elliptical front sprocket
Hardtail mtb for me. Mind you its the only bike i have.
I don’t get all of the venom about what to call it, touring vs bike packing and the what the bikes are called or the type of bags used. Would you call an overnight backpacking trip touring?? In the end, WTF does it matter?
To me the gearing is the main differentiator. You can always get fatter tires on a gravel bike (of course not as fat as on a MTB) or skinnier tires on a MTB so there are a lot of overlap in the terrain/roads they'll handle, but where I live I always appreciate the gearing of a MTB even when in shape. Anywhere with lots of steep gravel roads a MTB will shine. Of course if you live in Denmark, the Netherlands or somewhere else with mostly flat terrain then the gearing and design of a gravel bike is more suited.
Thank you for the review. I have both types and recently upgraded my MTB from Schwinn (Walmart yes I know hangs head low) to a Giant Yukon with Deore components. Like you said, I love the flexibility of the gravel bike and I do ride it in Winter months up to a certain extent before I have to put it away and get out my old steel commuter with the twist shifters (blah!) After a few years of this twist and pull, I bought a used Giant Yukon and am loving it. Best part is that it's an MTB and can take a beating on any surface. Since the Winter has been mild this year, I'm curious how the 26" tires handle snow since I struggled with anything above 6" on the ground. Speed isn't a concern on snow surface for me. Not like I'm racing anyone out there when I'm by myself lol.
The second set of (smaller, better rolling) tyres on an MTB will do for road touring/bikepacking. Regular 29er can fit any gravel tyre just fine. With those, speed is identical to gravel, counting all the stuff we carry with us.
Funnily enough I’ve got the same model Topstone, but hadn’t thought of running it as 650b. How does it ride – a noticeable difference?