TOM PAYNE: Living an American Lie, Leaving the Walking Dead & Hitting His Mental Breaking Point

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Tom Payne (The Walking Dead, Prodigal Son) joins us this week to share his journey in becoming an actor along with the unique pride and sacrifices he’s made to fully invest in his career coming over to America.

Tom shares difficult lessons he’s had to learn about managing expectations, after certain projects that he believed were shoe-ins didn’t live up in the eyes of fans or people in the industry.

We also talk about his nerves while joining the biggest show at the time in The Walking Dead, the differences in traffic violations in the UK and US, and how unfortunately we often don’t make changes until we hit rock bottom.

Timecodes:
0:00 – Intro
3:05 – Tom Payne
5:45 – Introduction to acting
8:15 – HUGE misunderstanding in makeup trailer
12:41 – Torn between career and family
14:14 – Shopify
16:33 – Betterhelp
17:54 – Practical horror
21:30 – Pscyhed out during auditions
24:10 – Living an American lie
30:10 – THE WALKING DEAD impact
32:25 – Bad luck with LUCK + NICK NOLTE
35:11 – Rocket Money
37:49 – Neurohacker
41:20 – Too young to take it all in
43:50 – Lack of industry love on WALKING DEAD
46:51 – Nerves and egos on TWD
50:55 – Shock of his send off on THE WALKING DEAD
52:01 – Emotions working with KEVIN COSTNER
55:46 – Discover
56:35 – Tom Payne shares his BIG breakdown
1:02:48 – PRODIGAL SON mental health importance
1:04:10 – Outro
1:11:57 – Couldn’t do it without you

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TOM PAYNE: Living an American Lie, Leaving the Walking Dead & Hitting His Mental Breaking Point #insideofyou #tompayne #thewalkingdead

You’re listening to inside of you with Michael  Rosenbaum thank you for listening today I hope   you’re having a good week thanks for listening to  my podcast for God’s sakes uh we’ve been around a  

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Are tell me you care not you what me oh no the  audience is that a song uh look if if you like   this uh interview I I ask you to um subscribe  write a review helps the show a lot and if you  

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And life and mental health and all that stuff  we talk about The Walking Dead and uh I really   enjoyed this conversation and what’s funny is you  look at him and you don’t he just very unassuming  

Is that the right word very just a regular guy and  I he’s English but you’re you’re so used to him   speaking with an American accent and like a big  dark character too just he’s just a guy in slacks

As a guy in slacks that’s all I am right now is  a guy in slacks uh I hope you guys have a great   week and thank you for listening to this  podcast let’s just get into it let’s get  

Inside Tom Payne it’s my point of view you’re  listening to inside of you with Michael Rosen B inside of you with Michael rosenbom was not  recorded in front of a live studio audience   thanks for coming here you didn’t get a speeding  ticket on your way here like the last guest no I  

Did not get a how do you get a speeding ticket  on the way here I spad but you have to get in   America you have to get caught by someone to get a  speeding ticket wait a minute so are you saying in  

England you you tend to there’s cameras everywhere  there’s cameras everywhere yeah yeah oh they   used to do that here and now they don’t do that  anymore because it was against American rights or   something they had like red light cameras here and  speed cameras but they got rid of it all because  

In America you can say that’s against my rights  and they get taken away wow but in England in   England government rule yeah I didn’t know that  they still do that in England do people fight it  

Do they get upset about it no because they have  it on video as well so they’re like this is you   going five miles over this you can’t deny it but  I was that was always wild to me when I moved to  

America it’s like you get on the freeway here no  one’s driving the speed limit no one’s using their   tone signals everyone’s doing crazy [ __ ] and my  wife is always like where are the cops where are  

The cops because the only time you get in trouble  here is if a cop actually sees you do it you know   stop signs and freeways and you ever been pulled  over in the states yeah a couple times did you get  

Tickets yeah yeah they probably I I I’m guessing  when a when a cop comes over and goes hey can I   see your license and registration you’re like  oh yeah sorry about that ex they like oh you’re   English you’re definitely getting a ticket you’re  also like it’s it’s kind of thrilling you’re like  

I’m in a movie the cop’s coming over and he’s  going to talk to me and do you feel like they   don’t like you do they feel like well I made a no  no no I made an error the I it was years ago when  

I first started working here and I had a tape deck  uh adapter for my iPhone that you put in the tape   deck and it plays the song and they always used to  break but I had many of them and uh I got pulled  

Over by a bike cop and I was like and I was going  like 80 or something on the freeway cuz I was   concentrating on I was concentrating on driving  but like I was like changing the song on my on my  

Phone and and I was in the left Lan and cop was  like and you were texting when I when I pulled   you over and I was like no I was just changing  and I was just like so Brides was like no I was  

Just changing the song on my that I was listening  to and like well you were still looking down and   but it was still kind of thrilling I was like this  is kind of fun I can’t remember how much was I you  

Were the first person I actually enjoy getting  a ticket this is this is an experience it was   an experience yeah you know uh how long have you  been doing this uh acting yeah uh well I mean you  

Know I did it in school and then I went to drama  school in London uh when I left I auditioned for   a few the when I finished school I didn’t get in  the first year and I reapplied and I got in and I  

Graduated 2005 and then started working that year  yeah but I’m talking like you know you’re a young   kid you’re growing up in England so what’s what’s  it like were your parents kind of like supporting   this were there were there other actors in your  family so first of all I don’t believe anyone  

Who’s like I knew from a young age I’m like no  you like showing off and you like Applause like   you have no idea absolutely you know you have  no idea what being an actor is or anything even  

When you’re training or whatever you have no  idea you could want to be famous at that age   yes you can want to be famous want people to clap  at you and and yeah I mean at that point it’s not  

So much about money because you have no idea how  much money you’re going to need especially when   you move to America true do you remember when you  thought like he like I’m going to make $100,000  

And I’m going to be rich I’ll take care of all my  friends like 100,000 that’s I mean good luck man   that’s a lot especially nowadays I I got my first  TV regular I got 26,000 for the whole season and  

That was more than enough for me it was like ,000  a week for the and that you know I was living on   you know no but I thought 100,000 forever like  that’s all you need okay $100,000 I’m going to  

Make $100,000 one day total and I am going to be  set now go back to you know you’re talking about   everybody nobody wants to be so nobody wants to  be famous so but I um I was basically a loud kid  

And when I was five or six my a teacher saw me  screaming my lungs out singing in the you know   whatever like assembly that we were having in the  morning like you should come and do this so they  

Started to put me uh at the front of like singing  or whatever in the my pre I don’t know what you   call that like preschool preschool I guess and  then yeah and then when I went uh into when I was  

Seven a teacher um was like you should audition  for the school play and so then I that was what   I did and that was kind of my place in the school  was like I did the school plays every year and  

That was my purpose and you liked it I loved it  and I and I loved like I I’m like a I was a bright   kid and like very capable but quite lazy and like  so my dad would like kick me up the ass after my  

Report cards and and then my next report card  would be really good and then they just slowly   tailor off as I got just to prove that you could  do it yeah and then I’d be like okay I’ll make  

This one good right not that I’m a big brain or  anything but like you know you just yeah I was   bright enough to to get good grades right and then  but then I did the school plays uh right up until  

The end and I just figured at some point when I  was a teenager like well that youthful naivity   of what am I going to do as a job well this is  what I enjoy so that’s going to be my profession  

And my dad so my my mom’s a makeup artist for  TV and film makeup and hair and my dad um is a   journalist who started as a print journalist and  then TV and reporter and then he worked his way  

Up when he had kids like he started taking the  money jobs and became like managing director of   our local network local TV network right so the  I know I was around the business more through my  

Mom cuz I went to set sometimes and and um enjoyed  the gossip that makeup artists partake in you know   what’s funny I’ll say this my makeup artist on  Smallville Natalie I worked with her for seven  

Years 10 months a year she has spent I have spent  more time spent more time with each other than I   have ever mhm spent with anyone else in my life  I would spend two hours in makeup before a half  

Hour after she’d always be on set I’d always be  talking to her she’d always be powdering me and   you you know how that goes and I realized like I  think I spent more time with her in a week than  

I have with my mother in 10 years oh yeah and she  knew everything about me she knows when I have a   bad day when she’s having a bad day she’s upset  like it it just became therapy and like she was  

My therapist she should have got paid extra a lot  more than she was making it’s the first person you   meet and the last person you meet at the end of  the day you know so they have a they do have an  

Important position outside of their physical job  is talking to you at the beginning and they have   to deal with whatever’s happened to you you know  some actors wake up on the wrong side of bed some   actors come in and they’re like yeah everyone  listen to the music that I’m listening to this  

Morning and like the makeup truck is you have  to balance the atmosphere in there it’s really   it’s actually a really interesting spot on a  set yeah the makeup truck and I see why some   actors well a lot of actors like to have it done  in their trailer or like have their own personal  

Or whatever because if you go into the makeup  truck with everyone you kind of have to deal   with everyone else’s it’s kind of exhausting  yeah it can it’s kind of an energy sucker it  

Can be yeah did your mom ever tell you any stories  of any famous actors that she did the makeup for   so she um uh worked on I Claudius the 70s series  like way back in the day and then and and then a  

Bunch of other her speciality was period um hair  and makeup um she would dress wigs and all that   kind of stuff which is really cool we got to  work together once about 8 years ago now she  

Did your makeup yeah she did my wig I had this  crazy Regency wig in a in a um miniseries but   um she did tell me this one story uh where so  then you know that there’s been all obviously  

The me too and all this kind of stuff and like  sexual harassment stuff all going on through the   industry and there’s been a nice like clean out  of certain behaviors but she did tell me this one  

Story of this actor who was who was sitting there  having his makeup done by another artist next to   her and uh and he had a gown on he had the gown on  and the makeup artist was like seeing this happen  

Underneath his no and so like the the the gown  was like moving up and down while she was doing   him and so she smacked him around the back of the  head and told him to stop it and he took the Gown  

Off and was like I was cleaning my glasses no  way he was like cleaning his glasses under and   she thought that he was masturbating the makeup  chair I could see that cuz if you’re cleaning   your glasses just give an example here you know  you’re just like mhm but you’re using your thumb  

Who does that well it depends how like you know  you can I don’t know funny but then my mom talks   about all those kinds of things like yeah you know  actors would come on to you and like it and that  

Is a whole other part of the job that they used  to deal with all the time and you know happen   sometimes that’s amazing but she was she was my  Guiding Light she like she’d put the hot towel  

On me at night oh you like the hot towel yeah cuz  my whole head and everything was just like yeah   tons of makeup and then she would make sure I’m  okay and you got to remember this is a woman who  

If my call time was 6:00 a.m. yeah her call time  was 5:30 to get it ready MH and when I’m wrapped   at s or 8 at night she’s got to stay with me and  then clean her stuff up and then leave a half an  

Hour before I after I do it’s what my mom to get  home to her family to be a mom meanwhile yeah just   extraordinary yeah it’s really you filming is is  really hard on your personal life like it really  

Is like since I’ve uh had a child I haven’t  been on a long job and uh that’s going to be   hard logistically hard but also like I’ve been  away like to do a convention or something for  

A weekend and it’s crazy it feels like unnatural  you’re like I shouldn’t be leaving my child but   you have to like you know you weigh it up with  what I have to because I have to provide for my  

Family and stuff but it’s a wild feeling to like  oh I should and you get it in your gut of like   this is wrong I shouldn’t be leaving you feel  guilty I mean I guess that’s guilt yeah I guess  

I guess that’s what it is it’s just like oh but  but I’m confident in the fact that like he feels   loved and he has a very nice family atmosphere at  home and it’s all good but it’s just an unnatural  

Thing like you do fall into those um categories  of like I’m a father now so I’m the provider and   the protector and it just happens naturally you  know it’s weird what’s the longest you’ve been  

Away from like four days I that’s it four or five  yeah Oh I thought maybe if you did how old no you   see I haven’t done anything yet so um well last  year when he was like one I went oh so he’s very  

Young yeah I mean I think well actually when I  shot imaginary the Blum House movie um I was away   for I guess maybe five days at the most but yeah  but it just then you get home where an imaginary  

Film New Orleans which like my my wife so when I  do get the next big long job my wife and I we’re   all going to go together but she would never have  survived in New Orleans because she can’t deal  

With the Heat and the humidity like we’ve been  there together but last summer it was just I don’t   know how people survive there it’s so like close  you know it’s crazy inside of you was brought to  

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PG P3 right so it’s it’s like along the lines  of like a Megan yes it does as much as it can um   with the concept to keep within the parameters of  PG-13 what I will say is that um it has practical  

Effects oh good which is way more scary in my  mind and I was super excited about that so every   monster that appears in the movie is practical  which is so cool for us as actors as well like  

I’ve been fortunate in that I haven’t done a huge  amount of pretending there’s a monster anywhere or   pretending to see something I’ve done it once or  twice but um I think that’s just even harder you  

Know as good of an actor as you are there’s always  going to be something in the back of your eyes   that you’re doing an extra job it’s like when you  audition for something I hate doing self tapes oh  

Yeah because you are incapable of doing the job  that you are going to do on set because you are   already creating all of this stuff in your head  that’s getting in the way of your performance  

Yeah you know you can’t I have to pretend that I’m  in that room you know whatever the scene is I have   to pretend that you’re the person I have to you  know which happens in a casting room but there’s  

Something I don’t know self tapes are even harder  for me but like you have to be more fake than   you would be like when you turn up on setx yeah  there’s certain energy that you have when you’re  

In a room yeah well that’s different because that  when you’re in a room you have like a more of a   okay I’m doing this I got to do this man yeah and  that helps that really like gives you something  

But doing a self tape at home or in a studio  is you just lose a little bit of it you know   what I have only done two self tapes what yeah  oh my uh I did a self tape for something I was  

Interested in like a month ago and I hadn’t done  it for a while and I didn’t want to memorize the   lines so my buddy got his iPad my friend Bill who  you met out there who was his girlfriend was your  

Production coordinator on Walking Dead old flater  Andrea flater he got emails fromer um but uh he   we we put it on his iPad it scrolled he would read  the lines with me we did it a couple times I loved  

It I Lov not having to really prepare and just  kind of giving and you never would have known   that I was reading it m and I almost got it I was  very close to getting it I was like wow this was  

Actually fun I’d rather not be in a room with all  these other clowns you know judging me and making   me feel nervous or whatever uh and you know it’s  on my time and if that worked well maybe this is  

The way to go but do you do you prefer people  around you like to for the energy I’ve I did it   again recently for the first time uh an in room  audition and it definitely had the energy to it  

The thing that um is frustrating now uh which  I hadn’t realized before I’ve done a few long   running shows now is that I know that when I’m in  a show I’m very relaxed and because I don’t don’t  

Have the pressure of everything has to be right  because I know we’re going to do it more than once   and we have different angles on it and so you can  try things out and you can go different ways and  

You can because you know they’re going to edit it  get edit the best bits together but like when on   a self tape you have to get everything perfect or  as perfect as you can which is not what the job is  

Like I I I feel like when you’re on set you should  be able to change and move things and I’m I’m no   performance will be exactly not that I’m wildly  from one end of the scale to the other but it  

Would always be slightly different and that’s what  the editor enjoys and what the director enjoys and   what you need to balance a show because you have  to get it on one take on on a self tape what on a  

Self tape what if you did something where it’s a  self tape and then page one you screw up so then   you use take two and you just do a punch in yeah  I mean I’ve considered that like i’ like you know  

[ __ ] it if they think you know you know hey just  you can see what I’m doing yeah yeah exactly do   you really need to it to be perfect because the  other take had a better line reading on this one  

Line I think you get a lot of like uh notes with  them now of like don’t do this don’t do that make   so I I don’t know cuz I don’t want to step on  the casting director to either and it’s like I  

I don’t know the whole thing really I just want  to meet the person that’s going to hire me like   I really just want to sit down let’s talk about  what you want to do with this and then oh great  

Okay let’s play around with it and blah blah blah  which is what will happen on set yeahyes me out   it psyches me out sometimes when you go into a  casting room as an actor and they’re like hey how  

You doing and then you start talking and you start  kind of goofing off and you’re making them laugh   and they’re thinking you’re great and they’re like  okay you want to want to do this and now I’m like  

No now I don’t want to do this I want to do this  right when I get in the room let’s do it and then   maybe we could talk I had the problem I hate it  I realized and I was like I’m never going to be  

That actor but I realized quickly that if I go in  um using my British accent they will always think   they can hear it when I do my American accent  so I started to go in with my American accent  

Because otherwise they feel like they can hear  it and I always felt like really you’re going to   go in but it’s you have to because otherwise they  just they just they’re not even they’re listening   to what you’re saying as opposed to watching you  perform yes and I I always felt like the skill  

Was between action and cut so you walk in like hey  hey how’s it going cool cool let’s chat chat chat   and then action acting but actually you do kind of  have to walk in with the energy of the character  

And like and first impressions is everything you  know and they meet you and then they do the tape   you know so they if you manage to shake their  hand or do whatever you do and make them feel  

Something just when the first time they’ve met  you that will make 50% of the impression I think   do you think like if you were going in there and  you were supposed to play some guy from like new  

Like Brooklyn or something like that you’re like  talking like this and you go in you go hey nice to   meet you was great thanks for having me um yeah  you know and just talking and like in that kind  

Of do you think that’s a better way to approach  it as to go or or or to go in there and and just   be yourself and then kick it in and they’re like  oh he’s doing an accent it’s the same thing isn’t  

It that’s what I’m saying so you should just go in  and do it I think so and I think nowadays people   respect that as well you hear a lot about oh the  actor stayed in character or the actor stayed in  

Accent at least you know the funniest thing when I  joined Walking Dead Andrew Lincoln who plays Rick   we’re from the same city in England and we had  actually met uh around the Millennium because we  

Were part of the same kind of after school theater  group and they did this Ben for the Millennium and   we were in it together so I’d met him before and  then when we were on set together when I first  

Arrived to Walking Dead we went and sat in the um  on the deck of one of the houses in Alexandria and   like just kind of chatted and caught up and he was  using his American accent because he would stay in  

His accent um to just you know so he didn’t fall  out of it while he was filming so then which is   something that I never did like when I’m working  yeah well kind of when I’m working like I flip  

In and out but we were having this conversation  and I was was like okay I need to use my American   accent so then we were talking about growing up  in the city that we grew up in and his kids and  

His family in our American accents and it was the  most bizarre thing I’ve ever done I was like this   is so weird give me an example yeah I remember  when we were yeah we were just talking about his  

Kids and how you know uh oh yeah my my daughter  goes to this school and I’m like oh really yeah   oh I have a friend who went to that school and I’m  just like but we’re talking about things that are  

From your American accent is is really solid like  I I remember it in the show when you play Jesus   Jesus right some would say Jesus yeah well not  not in that show not in that show no I know you  

Had followers and whatever um but I I thought I  never thought for a second you were English yeah   which which is great I mean I’ve lived here since  2010 and uh people ask me about that all the time  

And I say actually it’s to do with the fact that I  don’t like to stand out too much in my day-to-day   and so I use my American accent all the time in  America I don’t want to be I don’t want to be um  

Asked where I’m I don’t want to explain where  I’m from my whole life like you know oh where   you from or like or I don’t want to be I don’t  want people to be like wait what did you say you  

Know so I say water instead of water and like all  that if I’m ordering in a bar I’ll always order   my American accent right it’s just easier it just  makes my life easier so you’re pretty much living  

Alive yes yes although I just got my citizenship  a couple weeks ago you did so I am American now   you’re am I’m I’m American I am fully and now  no one can say go back to your own country cuz  

This is my country who would say that oh well you  have you ever had that uh I mean you are go back   to Australia I’m not from Australia well no one is  we sent them all there that’s true you did yes um  

But uh I mean yeah I mean if you ever express any  kind of an opinion on something that’s happening   in America people would be like well this isn’t  your country or like what do you who do you think  

You are having an opinion on this country and  actually a lot of the time I’m not going to get   too political on this but a lot of the times I  feel more invested in this country than people  

Who were born here because I have worked really  hard to live here and exist here and pay taxes   Here and Now take my citizenship here and people  talk about how like oh it’s easy it’s not easy  

And it costs a lot of money yeah um and I’ve  invested a lot in this country and I believe in   this country and what this country was founded on  and the freedom that this country gives I really  

Do and that’s why my wife and I left our country  and came here W and I feel like people forget in   this country what it represents to a lot of people  around the world and why they come here you know  

It’s not for a free ride it’s because you get  more um respect and you’re allowed to do more   than other countries where they don’t you know  they don’t live the life that you can live yeah I  

Think we’re very lucky I I do I mean we get a bad  rap for you know a lot of stuff deservedly so yeah   every country has well I mean yeah I I could say  you know sometimes I’m you know but I love living  

In this country whenever I’m abroad and I’m gone  for a couple of weeks there always comes a time   where I’m like I just want a hamburger I just I  just want to be back in the States I don’t care H  

Care yeah I don’t care how great Italy is and how  great France or Germany or whatever I they’re all   great places to go going to Italy but I’m like I  I want to be back home MH I just want to be back  

Home where is where you from I was born in New  York but I grew up in southern Indiana Oh okay   interesting and College in Kentucky moved back to  New York did some Off Broadway moved to LA and and  

I’ve been here for 25 years wow so I think one of  the things that Europeans don’t really realize is   that um it’s kind of maybe the wrong thing to say  but like America is not really a country it’s a  

Collection of countries so if you drive across  it really is the United States of America my   wife and I have driven across like four or five  times at this point and you really realize when   you drive through all of the different states  how different each state is and how different  

The rules are and how different people are the  mentality you know I was talking to this girl   that I met on a dating app a while back yeah  anyway which one no but it doesn’t matter you  

Probably know it but no you don’t you’re married  but you probably still know it but we’re talking   and you know she’s talking about guys like sort  of in Florida she’s like you know I’m you know I  

Want to you know she wants to get she wants to  be married eventually and she wants to and I’m   like all right and uh but she’s used to guys  in Northern Florida now I’m not saying these  

Are bad guys probably great some great guys but  if you go from there to Dallas Texas guys to Los   Angeles guys yeah yeah to maybe Indiana boys and  then go up the road down up up to New York City   Boys completely different people yeah absolutely  complet you know just completely different so um  

But I agree there’s just you know it’s a melting  part it’s it’s it’s well that’s what’s great yeah   that’s really what’s great and that’s why the  immigration argument is kind of frustrates me   because it’s really what this country is founded  on and it’s really cool it’s what makes this  

Country what it is you know it’s cool and it it’s  been very good to me did uh Walking Dead change   your life didn’t it yeah I I’d had a career where  so I left drama school and I was managed to get a  

Really good Agent straight off the bat so was able  to do a bunch of auditions which you know it’s a   theater training England So like um it was very  beneficial to do a lot of TV and film auditions  

And not get most of them but like be going through  the emotions and and I got screen tested for a a   film called Hannibal Rising which um I remember  that rest so Gaspar ulia ended up doing um but  

Uh uh who was the Dina Delores apparently really  like my tape and like it and it just got me got a   little bit of heat around me which my um uh agent  then used to propel me forward and I did a movie  

And blah blah blah blah blah and then I had had a  few different occasions where I was like oh this   is it this is it this is the job that’s going to  do it this is it this is it oh nobody cared like  

Dude it happened like so many times and you what  are the ones that you thought would pop well so   but what what that ends up being is that there  are increments you you do you are going up the  

Ladder but just not you’re not making those big  leaps so I did the movie that got me uh to move   out here and got me my representation was a  movie called Miss patri lives for a day which  

Was a Focus Features movie and we had mcdorman and  Amy Adams and Kieran Hines and Shirley Henderson   Mark Strong like some amazing people and it was a  small period comedy that we made at eling Studios  

Uh in London and I this is what I was would always  tell people as well like I’ve always reinvested in   my career and spent the money and just kept  going and so for that movie I flew myself to  

New York for the screening there was no like big  Premiere but there was a New York screening flew   myself to New York and then after New York flew  myself to La I stayed with Amy uh and her then um  

Boyfriend at their house in LA and took meetings  got my manager then and then did some some pilot   auditions that year I think and then the next year  I came back did some pilot auditions got tested on  

A couple of things then the next year I came back  I got luck which is the HBO show that started my   whole journey here but mean continued my journey  here but I um luck was like I mean I thought that  

Was that was it that was like I’m on an HBO this  is my first American show look at the director at   the Michael man hman Nick ni like Dennis finina  like not become a hit D it so there was a lot of  

Reasons I think at the end of the day but like  it was milch and it was David milch and it was   very dense dialogue and it was very um you know  it required something of you to really get into  

It and and learn the ins and outs of horse racing  it wasn’t easy to learn the lines probably well   not well I was also playing cinjun in that which  is a whole other thing and and I didn’t even know  

So I went down to Louisiana and spent some time  out there to understand what that meant and who   these people are you had a Cajun accent yeah can  you still do it uh a little bit maybe what is a  

Cajun accent well it’s like half French there  it’s a lot of French in there so um oh my God   they talk about you know so they okay so I went  I went spent some time with a family down there  

And we went out to their they had crayfish fields  and um wow in uh uh in Louisiana can’t remember   the exact place but I hung out with him with the  weekend and and the guy took me out on his gator  

His uh like yeah for thing and uh he was taking  me out to the fields and he was like and that’s   where I hit the alligator with the Spade but he  kept coming so I had to hit him again and I’m  

Like wow I’m not in England anymore like this is  crazy that’s a whole thing and um but it’s really   cool culture like great food and but a very like  tough people um and so that was like something  

Else so I wasn’t really I was playing American  but it was like a certain type of American and   then John Ortiz played my trainer and he was  Peruvian and then you had all this like dense  

Dialogue and you had nickn doing the Nick wait  what’s Nick saying a lot of great man like I was   um it’s is also kind of Blasphemous maybe but  like I was so excited to work with Nick because  

And I only had like one or two scenes with him  and one or two scenes with Dustin and Dustin’s   amazing love him great great man great career  but I was more impressed with working with Nick   just because um Dustin was more of a character  character actor to me and Nick represented to me  

Like an old Hollywood leading man like Gruff like  guy that doesn’t really exist anymore just a dude   that’s just you know that’s what I do yeah I and  I was a huge fan of 48 Hours huge 48 Hours the  

Best scene is when he’s with uh Eddie Murphy and  he goes check tell me a story [ __ ] you convict   oh that’s one of my favorites I that movie is  just it’s so good genius oh we had Walter Hill  

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Food and Drug Administration the products and  statements are not intended to diagnose treat   cure or prevent any disease we had Walter Hill  was involved in I’m getting him on the podcast   oh dude he’s great he was involved in luck as  well we had we had Walter Hill involved we had  

Eric Roth involved we had all these like insane  people we would do these readings of the episodes   and you’d have all of the lead actors sat around  the table and Michael and Eric Roth would come in  

And all these people and then we would go for  coffee on Bundy like breakfast on Bundy with   finina and I was I was honestly I was 27 but I  was kind of still too young to take it all in  

And and nowadays I would like have more reverence  for all of it but then I was like flying by the   SE seed of my pants 27 just like you thought this  was it oh and then I was like this this is it I’m  

Made and they just how many did they make so we  made I think 10 for the first season and we were   we had shot one of the second season and then  there was various things going on the horses uh  

We had a couple horses break down and had to be  euthanized and I just think that it and TMZ was   on our ass about that and then I think um we just  went popular enough and the show I think was very  

Expensive like if you went to the parking lot  you had the three huge like tour bus trailers   like one for Dustin one for Michael and one for  David milch like just lined up oh you didn’t get  

One I I didn’t at that point can’t remember if  I had a two Banger or three Banger at that point   but um no I was just that was a great thing but  then that got cancelled and honestly I was I was  

In one scene in the first episode of season 2 and  I was like okay I six months of one or two scenes   in episode is not great and then we got cancelled  and then I was able to do a movie which uh was  

Another big step in my career like and also I  was at the center of this Hollywood Whirlwind   of like everyone the best thing was at that time  was to walk into meetings and have people ask me  

What Michael man was like I’m like oh people want  to ask me about stuff stuff now like this is cool   people want to know like what this experience was  like so that kind of gave me like a nice spring  

To my step and then I was able to go to Europe and  do a movie which was my first lead in a movie with   stellen Skarsgard and Ben Kingsley right and that  was my first big lead that was three months in  

Germany and uh Morocco and that was a whole other  experience and that was a movie that I was like   and this is it this is going to change my career  this is my first big so yes I see that all these  

Projects that you think on paper should be huge  successes yeah Ben Kingsley Nick Nolte Dustin Hof   it did great you know at that point I had moved  you it helped me in a lot of different ways but I  

Had moved to America at that point and I was like  luck and this is America and we’re doing America   and then that movie came out and it did really  well in Europe nothing in America nobody nobody  

Cares and it’s kind of you know Walking Dead  Walking Dead was another huge deal and it was my   first big thing after that movie I think I got it  was the first big thing yeah I think so and same  

Kind of thing Walking Dead biggest show in the  world biggest show in the world when I joined it   there is nowhere in the world you can go and not  be recognized especially since I had long hair and  

A beard a very recognizable hugely successful now  that was a real beard yeah I not the first season   it was fake first season it was fake and the hair  I had extensions but I grew the beard out and then  

The extensions grew less and less while I was on  the show but huge thing this is amazing industry   doesn’t care you know you’re like it’s the biggest  literally the biggest show in the world industry   doesn’t care I’m like wow this is another lesson  like you know you’re on top of the world this  

Is great I get recognized everywhere this is  definitely raising my profile huge fan base I   didn’t think of it like that it’s wild it like  Instagram the fans are nuts they love the show   it’s everywhere you go to cons they just embrace  you guys but you’re saying the industry doesn’t  

Really give a [ __ ] it definely didn’t you’re  on a hit show and you’re seen by all these people   millions of people why wouldn’t they want to put  you in a movie or another TV show immediately  

Because all those fans are going to want to see  what you’re doing and that’s what would make sense   to me yeah but it’s you know industry can be funny  like that you know and then you or you can be on  

A show like succession which which I enjoyed I  thought was great but compared to like walking   dead like nobody watched it no but the industry  loved it yeah so I mean that just happens you know  

Sucession is too much for me it’s too much stress  I can’t watch it I I have dysfunction up I don’t   need that yeah F I don’t need it I’m sure it’s  great yeah yeah you know it’s very British you  

Can tell it’s written by a British person and but  with American accents like right like for us it’s   it’s like a black comedy succession did you hate  wearing that beard in the first season yes I hate  

Fake facial hair but did you hate it because  when you saw it you’re like oh it’s fake yes   I I signed those photos from the first season  at conventions and I hate it but it’s the most  

Recognizable version of me and it’s when people  first met met me on the show and I had a really   great first episode that was very memorable so  people like really remember that um and but yeah  

I obviously I’m like this is it’s terrible but I  obviously and I can I mean it does look different   the other Seasons but people remember that and  you know I had [ __ ] ton of extensions and  

And how long were you in makeup I can’t remember  like atast 45es well we had the the FX team I got   passed on to the FX team to do that um we ended  up cutting it into like five different sections  

It was really wild I got cast on a a Wednesday no  I got cast on a Friday I was in London my uh wife   girlfriend at the time was in Stockholm I flew to  Stockholm to see her that weekend and then I flew  

To London to be fitted for the they had the beard  made in London and then I flew to Atlanta and I   was filming on the Wednesday it was really quick  every but everything like were you nervous um yes  

I had not worked for a year before that point he  felt like do I have it still I just the my first   proper scene first scene was like me unconscious  in a car but my first proper scene with uh Andrew  

Lincoln and Norman so they’re the two biggest  guys on the show and the whole episode is just   me and them and uh isn’t it like in a town if I  remember or like a little like sonoya they shoot  

It down which is like an hour south of Atlanta um  where they have the studios and shot everything   so it’s nice cuz you’re kind of away away from La  away from New York just in your own bubble um but  

My first I’ve been my character’s been running  and I like appear in front of them and uh we had   Ki scogin directed that who’s wonderful director  who’s doing amazing now and she was really good  

To me on the episode and she came in and was just  like just a little bit little bit quieter and more   real cuz I was like I’m running and I was like  shouting at my first like hey guys I was like okay  

This is way too big way too big like but that’s  how you kind of felt like a real person would   do it but then you have to come down to TV movie  world you’re like where normally you’d say like  

No don’t do it and then you’re like no don’t do it  little bit don’t do it and also like the show that   was season six and the show had kind of found its  Groove and found its style and everyone kind of  

Had their Lane that they were occupying y uh and  so you had to kind of fit in to that aesthetic   were there egos I mean yeah everyone has an ego  especially when it’s the biggest television show  

In the world you know so definitely people like I  said had fallen into of like this is what the show   is and this is where we are you could just tell  their sort of swagger like yeah I’m on a big hit  

Show I think it affected some people that I was  like it’s a TV show yeah like and I and I did I   did respect it absolutely um but I definitely  always had the attitude of it’s a TV show it’s  

A TV show did you like those people yeah yeah you  liked everybody get along no and we spend a lot of   time together outside of the show at conventions  we’re going to see each other you know forever I  

Think at this point um and I seen forever forever  and ever you know just that’s a good thing it no   it is great and it’s it’s a very singular  experience being on a show like that which  

Is so big um doesn’t happen to everyone you know  like Game of Thrones or Walking Dead like you’ve   only had that experience with those people so it’s  cool to reminisce and but it’s it’s weird now CU  

Like even like the luck experience from like I was  still unaware like when you’re in it you’re kind   of unaware of how big it is honestly if I’m honest  right now i’ be like damn I should have made more  

Money like outside of the show you know just like  damn like I did a bunch of inventions and it was   great and we we made money and that’s honestly  how I bought my house but like I damn I should  

Have like done other stuff just while that show  was the hottest show in the world like just milk   it and milk it well hindsight’s 2020 then you have  a phow period and you’re like damn you know what  

I always liked is uh briefly is the character uh  Eugene Josh mcder MC he seems funny I always want   to get him on the podcast he’s funny he’s very  he’s the driest human being you will ever meet  

So he makes jokes just like I’m on the floor  abs absolutely and I I am very gullible so he   would always like oh my God and he’s so good at it  like he’s very good at a straight I’m terrible at  

A straight face and like he’s just very very good  at it and yeah he’s great and he’s very different   to his character like he played a you know he’s a  he um he’s a comedian you know he did stand up and  

Everything and like he’s he’s very capable person  you were you surprised because your death kind of   came out of nowhere uh the fans were kind of like  what whoa they weren’t expec it at all and in the  

Comics you don’t die right right yeah so were you  surp how when did you know about it um I think I   think the episode before maybe um but but honestly  I’ve been I’ve spoken about this a lot like I I’ve  

Been on the show for three years at that point  it’s the longest I’ve ever been on a show you   were good yeah I was good I was really honestly  good and I I just want to tell a good story like  

I don’t I’m not precious about it like if it’s if  it’s my time to go it’s my time to go uh just make   it cool and um death it was cool yeah I was I was  really happy with it I honestly was really happy  

With it and when I have fans come up to me go oh  like I was really sad I was like yeah that’s good   that’s how you meant to feel did you cry when it  was over no I had a little bit of because it was  

You know such an intense experience I did have  a little bit when I gave my little speech on   set little emotional I was like oh this is the  last time I’ll do this you know did you say it  

In English or an American accent English I think  there’s a video of it somewhere there’s a video of   you know what I don’t know you don’t know what you  did no that’s pretty amazing um what about Kevin  

Carner’s dude I that I did cry I I am because  my friend Michael rooker’s in that right I love   Michael he’s been kind of filming that for a while  how long did you film that what’s it called is it  

Called it’s called horizon horizon horizon and  American Saga and it’s part one and part two and   it’s coming out this summer June and August yeah  it sounds amazing it’s like old school film making  

I um so Kevin’s been working on that project since  the 80s I think at this point and it’s started off   as one movie and over the years has grown and  grown and um he finally got the opportunity to  

Make it and um I found myself out in the Wilds of  Utah my story takes place within the Wagon Train   portion it’s it’s really this like sprawling tale  of the American West in the 1800s and um yeah I’m  

On the wagon train so I’m just standing there in  my costume with all the wagons and the horses and   and and I I got emotional because it’s just like  everything that you think a movie is when you’re  

A kid and you want to be in the movies and you’re  just standing there and I I just couldn’t believe   it I was like wow wow I’m I’m here you know and  I’m like it’s very Ensemble it’s very Ensemble  

Like I’m one of the actors in it um amongst many  others um and I think I worked to I think I worked   a total of two weeks maybe oh no I think a week  like a week straight cuz they shot you know set  

In sections for different story lines I think  I shot a week straight for the first one and uh   and then that was it you know you go you have  this experience how was Kevin amazing you know  

He’s very subtle I remember I auditioned for the  postman and I went to his hotel room Mrs On’s ago   and he goes yeah just sit on the floor with me sit  on the floor you all right let’s yeah let’s just  

Hang out and and we’re going to read the scene a  couple times and we’ll just talk and and we was   there for like a half an hour 40 minutes he’s like  all right man how’ you how’d you like that it was  

Great thanks Kevin he like hey nice to meet you  man I didn’t get it but it was really a great it   was a great time he was a great guy amazing I when  um when I got the role um I think my manager just  

Kind of pitched me for it basically and and the  casting director liked me and then it was like   okay so Kevin wants to meet you and I was at my  family home uh in bath where I come from and uh  

I went up to the top of the house to my dad’s  office to zoom with the casting director and   Kevin and you know turn on the turn on the screen  casting director’s like okay um and here’s Kevin  

And we’re just going to leave you guys to it I  was like okay and then we had a chat and I hey   bud how are you yeah and I’m used to like pitching  myself you know like I love the script and like  

This and this and this and this and through our  conversation halfway through I realized shut the   [ __ ] up shut up because he’s trying to sell it  to you he was like telling me about the film and  

Like it’s going to be this and it’s going to  be that and I would and he finished like and   I would love you to join us and inside I’m going  what like you’re offering me that’s so and I was  

Like oh my God I would love Kevin that would be  amazing and I and we then we stopped the call and   I went down my wife is giving my son a bath and I  was like Kevin C just offered me a job it was like  

The most surreal experience and then a few months  later we’re on set in Utah and he’s directing and   it was just a wild exp and everyone was so happy  to be there because it’s such a passion project  

For him and and it you could just feel that uh  a lot of time and effort had gone into all all   parts of it everyone was so happy to be there and  excited to help Kevin achieve his how old is he  

Now 70 I I’m not going to guess uh I think he’s  still in his 60s I don’t know to check I’m looking   it up right now I’m not going to Hazard I guess  maybe maybe 70 I don’t know he’s he’s just one  

Of the all-time great I’m going to say 72 I mean  69 69 there you go he just turned 69 so I didn’t   um yeah he’s also like from my childhood he has  seven children yeah I know can you imagine having  

Two children so stellen who I also work with I  think has eight or nine what it because in Sweden   it’s easier because in Sweden the government  helps you a lot more than they help you here  

Like you get like honestly like with my wife and  I like having more kids we have considered like   where can we be where can we be because America  doesn’t help you at all and they just like charge  

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You know we’ve talk about all these Great Moments  and like your career building and like working   with all these great people but also have you had  those tough moments I mean you’re you’re at 40 41  

What’s the toughest time you’ve had so far and you  know cuz on this show we talk a lot about mental   health and and you know helps a lot of people but  is there something that was a tough time to get  

Through and you you needed to work through it um  I was very go go go throughout my 20s uh and kind   of into my 30s as well and like always looking  forward toing forward always keep keep moving  

Keep moving the first time that I ever really had  a breakdown um that I couldn’t deal with was uh   shooting that movie The Physician cuz it was 65  days I think and I was in every single day and I  

Had never done that before um exhausted it just  physically yeah you get up every day and you’re   doing it and it’s great but about halfway through  that movie I kind of I fell apart and had a bit of  

A breakdown I was in a previous relationship  and that was also very taxing on me I was in   a kind of a Cara role in that relationship she  had joined me on the film and halfway through I  

Had this breakdown and I realized like oh I can’t  go to you so I went somewhere else and then that   movie like kind of that and that movie signaled  the end of that relationship kind of thing which  

You know I kind of committed Harry carry on  that you know I was like okay I I I need to   get out of this in a very destructive way um  which self sabotage and I absolutely did cuz  

I honestly was too cowardly to get out of it in  any other way and like had so much going on and   I was like okay I’m just going to do something  bad and when you’re young you learn from those  

Things absolutely and and and but I would never  get into that um situation again right uh I had   been in that relationship from 19z uh for a long  time through my growth into an adult and actually  

I would argue that I didn’t really grow into an  adult until that relationship ended um and I had   done that movie and then I went through a lot  of looking at myself and and um my now wife has  

Really helped me to grow as a person and basically  because she questioned me and like was like why   why are you doing this pattern of behavior and  she broke up with me like we went we dated for a  

Bit and then she broke up with me like you’re not  ready for this and I was like oh [ __ ] I really   want to be with this because you don’t know how to  to just yeah I was still being a bit destructive  

And and not respecting her I was still because  I functionally was just growing and like and and   but I knew that I didn’t want to lose that person  as well so yeah there was a lot of stuff going on  

But I knew that I wanted to have children with  this person and I like deep down I was like this   is the person [ __ ] I got to figure this out so  I did I took some time and and you know you just  

Have to deal with some home truths and and and be  honest with the person that you’re you know you’re   in a relationship with as well and if you’re lucky  that person is capable of helping you through that  

Not that you should rely on the other person and  just put out all your stuff knowing you can count   on them yes knowing count on them and knowing that  they have your best interests and that they’re not  

Using you as a crutch or vice versa yeah you know  you know what sucks is like sometimes it takes   hitting rock bottom before we make a change and  you don’t want to get to Rock Bottom to make the   change because Rock Bottom could mean Devastation  in many different ways and whether you completely  

Lose someone or you’re responsible for someone  or your behavior is respon it’s it’s it’s the   toughest but if you could somehow that’s why I  always say get in a therapy talk to somebody uh  

You know work on yourself because you don’t want  to get there you don’t want to go no I’m fine fine   fine until you’re so not fine that you’re really  in a bad place that it’s going to take a lot more  

Effort to get out of it so but at least I mean  but you learn from it you learn from it and you   can also see you know the only way is up from Rock  Bottom as well and you can really like if you’re  

If you’re not completely destroyed like you can  you can work your way up again I I just realized   well not realized but I just remembered like the  reason I had a bit of a breakdown uh that movie I  

Got to the end of that movie and then I realized  I had to confront the relationship and like okay   we have to end this and and it was painful for a  lot of different reasons but one of the major ones  

Was that it was the first thing that I had ever  failed at wow yeah I had never um because there   were issues in the relationship and there were  issues with the person and I was waiting for the  

Person to get better and I was like I can help  this person and I then I realized I couldn’t and   I would never be able to fully help this person uh  and so I had to exit the relationship and it was  

The first thing that I couldn’t get through and  I and I had failed I I was like and I had never   felt like that before because I’m always like go  I’m doing this and my career was on the up and  

Everything was working and and this is you know  this will be fine this will be fine and then I   had to admit it would never be fine um and maybe  I wasn’t the person to help this person you know  

And and it really and I remember you get all those  really dark thoughts and like comes up from your   guts and it’s just like oh well they say every  every great you know mind um says that the only  

Way to truly succeed is to fail yeah you have  to fail time and time again and some people who   haven’t had real failure it hurts and it sucks and  the older you get the worse it is but if you can  

Get through that which you will yeah yeah mostly  unless you kill someone that’s utter failure no   but you you should it should make you a better  person you should come out of it stronger and  

Wiser and you and you’re right you will you know  you will if you can just keep going and it’s the   hardest thing but if you keep going you know 5  years from now 10 years from now and you’ll look  

Back and you’ll be in a much greater position and  you were in every way you know yeah all right this   is called [ __ ] talking with Tom Payne this is  uh my um patrons go to patron.com inside of you  

Thank you for the support they support the show  they get to ask some questions and uh you ready   okay but if you don’t like him you can just say  sure Beat It Meg K prodigal son still gutted over   the camera cancellation you were phenomenal as  Malcolm the way mental illness was portrayed was  

Just Fant fantastic was it conscious choice on  your part or the writer’s part to show Malcolm   not only taking his meds but showing the bottles  on camera considering it’s not something that has  

Been done a lot I just did a convention uh last  weekend where this girl came up to me and said it   meant a lot to me that Malcolm was on exactly  the same medication that I’m on and I I met a  

Lot of people um through the show uh online but  also in real life uh in person and uh it’s helped   them immensely to show um someone struggling  um with mental illness uh on TV and and in a  

Way that yeah the show was funny and it was scary  and all these things but at the heart of it this   character was dealing with very real problems  that would manifest in different ways um and it  

Became apparent to me while we were shooting um  and the show started to air how many people were   dealing with similar issues and and I think it’s  amazing that’s why we do what we do you know it’s  

Holding a mirror up to life and and showing people  that you can get through it yeah I’m going to let   you go but what can we expect what’s coming up  imaginary is coming up so imaginary is out uh  

March 8th March 8th in theaters too in theaters  which is so that’s so exciting so ex this is my   first uh American Studio release I’ve never been  in an American Studio Movie and I have two coming  

Out this year so I’m Bravo super excited about  that and I’m on the on the the promotional train   I’m like oh wow Lions Gate you know sending me  out to all these things doing these it’s really   cool yeah that’s really cool and The Horizon’s  coming out Horizon and American Saga Parts one  

And two June and August June and August I mean  what else well prodigal Sun uh no that’s gone   G that that’s that became a um that’s a rights  issue I think cuz Fox owned some of it Warner  

Brothers owned some of it it was on Hulu it was  on HBO Max it was like how do we get all of this   together and sell it on um and then a lot of work  a lot of work yeah and then when everything falls  

Out all the actors have out of contract and how  do you get everyone together again and it just   becomes a bit of a struggle in that sense but I  would you know that show was I mean that was my  

Show it was really cool yeah well you know you’re  a great guy and a talented guy by the way did you   do any Impressions no I mean no no you don’t cuz  you do you so accents so effortlessly yeah I think  

I I’m pretty good mimic but don’t have anything  in my in my back pocket so if I did an impression   you could like mimic that sure all right maybe  your son [ __ ] that he is okay I need to that’s  

Maybe that’s to Tom yo y you’re a great guy Tom  Tom you’re a great guy Tom that’s pretty good   the way way and you just off the cuff dude my  favorite Chris wlin is in Seven Psychopaths I  

Didn’t see it where oh dude it’s great he comes  so the guy comes up to him he’s like yo put your   [ __ ] hands up and he’s goes no he’s like why I  don’t want to like it’s so good it’s so Chris he’s  

Like I don’t want to I’m like oh so I don’t want  to do it he’s great that is I’ve been trying to   work on my Harrison Ford it’s hard though my son’s  called Harrison he is yeah yeah yeah and it’s kind  

Of Harrison it’s definitely related to Harrison  Ford right there I went to the Yellowstone uh   not Yellowstone the 1923 Premiere just because I  wanted to be in the same room as Harrison Ford and  

Then it was good can’t he my and I have started to  put together projects and um it’s a lot inspired   by the Indiana Jones movies and like we want to  like bring back stories and adventure stories  

And and a lot of that is just great you know the  Indiana Jones movies are great and I I used to   say there are only three I saw the most recent one  and there could be four now I don’t know I like I  

Like I like one and I like Temple doom and Raiders  yeah me too like the Last Crusade no I I thought   it was a little Hoke I remember going I remember  as a kid going oh there’s a dad his dad’s in this  

I’m not watching this no it’s pretty good I just  it’s not like the two other two and the last one   was okay it was you know it was it was it was  okay it I went and so people ask me like about  

Conventions is there anyone that you’d like to  meet and stuff and it’s honestly always taking   me by surprise because I’m not someone who gets  Star Struck really but sometimes you get caught   by surprise so I did a convention a few years ago  in John ree Davis was there he was just sitting  

Where you are I just had him on so John so John is  just oh my God he’s such he’s just like he’s like   you should come to the club in London Dear Boy  wait till you listen to him oh I can’t wait on  

The podcast I mean it’s epic it’s epic we talked  about seis and boners in the first minute or two   oh dude he if you do a photo with him uh he’ll he  tickles you like he like grabs you he was messing  

With yeah me so a lot of the photos of people  like but um I did a convention with him years   ago and I got my brother is a huge Indiana Jones  fan as am I and I was like I’m going to get my  

Brother an autograph picture so I went over and  I got him run from like the Raiders I think he’s   like and um and he finished doing it and he  was like and would you like one he looked up  

At me and I I got tearful and he was like yeah I  would actually he signed this he signed my Indie   he he’s just he was so great and I had drinks  with him at the bar that night I was like this  

Is it’s so bizarre what a nice man he’s awesome  yeah he’s so he’s sweet he was doing shots with   uh not shot photo Pho photographs with Andy Circus  last weekend they were both in I mean great like  

Indiana Jones and then Lord of the Rings like yeah  he’s got it made as far as conventions go he’s got   it made and Sliders as well he did the whole TV  TV thing you did what else did you do skins you  

Did skins too right somebody else was just done  skins Nicholas Hall you had he was here yeah yeah   he’s taking over your part now I know the son of a  [ __ ] I just J just posted a picture of them all  

And uh Nick has his shaved head what’s that Nick  James just posted a picture of them all oh he did   yeah Nick has because Nick sent me a picture and  I didn’t obviously didn’t post it but yeah yeah  

Yeah but uh he’s buzzcut right yeah I think so  you did did you do ball cap oh no I shaved it oh   you did seven years I shaved it wow because you  just because that’s what they wanted and it was  

Better yeah in the end I realized it would have  taken longer I have a movie that uh I’m hopefully   going to do at the end of this year and I want to  shave my head in it is my wife is just like you  

Should do that something done exactly and it feels  great you’ll love it if it’s just for a movie 100%   do it I’ve never done it and I like it’s a look  that I haven’t done yeah we do it 100% you like  

It this has been great yeah did you have fun yeah  yeah yeah thanks man this was awesome I’m I could   talk for England say I love it I loveed it St  forever Tom Payne you know his agents or his pists  

Publicists they messag me and I didn’t really know  Tom very well but then I looked at his stuff and   I said you know his um wiki page and started to  delve into some of the and I was like this guy’s  

Good and it was great having him over because I  really enjoyed having him over and he’s a very   talented guy so thank you Tom for coming over and  doing the podcast and a reminder if you like this  

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A.m. interview yeah well I got up at at seven  because I felt like such crap waking up I you know   when I eat like [ __ ] Ryan I had a cheeseburger  and fries for dinner I soda which is I shouldn’t  

I know and then I had popcorn and I wake up and  I’m like oh why do I feel like crap I don’t know   because you ate like crap your car is not going  to run well if you put crap into it crappy gas gas  

Crap gas crap so it’s like what I said you know  you so I wake up and I take some of my athletic   greens and I have a salad and I start the day off  right but I have to finish the day right it’s true  

It’s true um a lot of emphasis on starting the  day right not enough on finishing it right yeah   let’s see if that works huh you know what I’m  saying I think you just stumbled on something yeah yeah anyway uh thanks for listening I always  appreciate it and thanks to my top tier patrons  

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