I might be too old for these new tech, but I really can’t understand how hookless rims can add any benefits to road cycling.
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[Applause] hi everyone and uh welcome to a new video I might be all grayed out from the bike to the kit to the beard but yes inside me I’m in full runting mode if you watch cycling and uh follow YouTube of course you can’t have missed the incredible issues that are
Surrounding hookless dreams and the latest accident that happened to Thomas de Gant at the UAE tour now this is the last episode of a series of problems that have surrounded hookless rims as you know the wheels that don’t have the retaining lip to Lodge the Beats of the tire is straight
Flat what you have to use specific tires and specific pressures now I have to stop for this guys who came out with the idea in the first place who on Earth thought that designing a wheel without a beat straight edge would have been something appropriate for road
Bikes is really Beyond me I can only think of yes the pressure that Brands like Zip and envy felt when all the Far East manufact came to the market with their wheels and they saw inevitably the market share reducing reducing so you can only picture yourself in one of
Those boardrooms where maybe uh Josh rais his hand and say why don’t we uh invisage a new technology so they put us on the edge and uh you know in the long term we’ll have you know a Competitive Edge financially I mean this is something really that no one wanted no
One had asked for it doesn’t doesn’t give any advantage I’m a late adopter I’m still riding 23 and 25 seat tires with tubes with hook rims and uh yes maybe I’m talking from a different standpoint but I can understand tubless that could offer U lot of advantages
Really pros and cons argument like this brakes and rs I don’t go back to that but there’s nothing wrong with the hooks on the rims actually they are a lot safeer when you feel the bit clicking in that you tie is lodged on the rims but today I’m not discussing the
Technicalities of the hooked versus hookless rims hambini just posted a video make sure you check it out because you know it gives a really good Insight even from a 5 years old on the issue and surrounding the two choices but what I’m really really surprised is the response
From add zip and Victoria to the accident that Thomas de had yes they said that the accident happened because they get hit a rock on a smooth Road in the UAE then where you can see the roads are like billiard surface like do zip Envy or Victoria not go out on the
Normal roads I roads are full of craters portals everywhere especially now in the UK not to mention Italy or Rome of course and it’s a normal occurrence that you hit holes rocks bumps with your with your tie so the actual advantage of the hookless and uh tubless set up that you
Could be smoother and softer and allegedly going faster just because you don’t bounce them much then it’s all going wrong because a rock can actually dislodge your tire so this excuse that the manufacturer are giving to the accident is completely ridiculous the explanation that The Rock caused
That issue is simply fical that was a flat section so imagine going downhill hitting a portal so that means that you are expected for your hookless Rim setup to dislodge in that situation I mean it’s completely absurd and it reminds me of when manufacturers tried to EXP explain some of the failures in
Handlebars when they said well the rider had crushed before so compromised the Integrity of the carbon handle bars and again they had to change the product because the design itself was flowed so it seems to me something’s happening regarding hookless rims I I cannot really understand how a tire just with a
Friction could securely stay especially with the WID for a road bike I mean on those setup wheels are going wider and wider and you need to go 28 and 30 m maybe it’s better for the comfort of your ride going lower pressure but in terms of road racing at speed anything
Can happen that can uh push the pressure higher and an accident can happen and it’s unbelievable how companies this big put all the money and development and they decided to go with just one product completely abandoning a technology that was uh perfectly fine hooked rims just provide everything that
Riders we want from from a wheel uh it looks to me that sometimes this industry goes into a collective drunkness they the minds are completely blind minded when just for the sake of innovation and changing the technology to increase possibly sales they introduce Technical Solutions that that were not needed they
Don’t bring any Improvement and uh yes they might end up in the bin in the near future guys anyway let me know in the comment if I got it or wrong if I’m just an old uh guy run on a bike going to work but it’s a beautiful day and I
Think there was a a nice moment for a bit of an outburst as usual thanks for watching and I’ll see you to the next video ciao
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Yup, I need my hook wheels, broke my clavicle once riding my bike don’t need to do it again.
Yes. I’m interested to see the outcome. I’m running the 303s. I’ve not had any issues so far, but at 60kg I’m running pressures that are well within the limit. Obviously the tyre fit is critical to the system. And I don’t use those tyre liners, which I think made matters worse. My one near disaster was with tubes on my other wheel, where a puddle concealed a pothole, and I suffered snakebite punctures to both wheels.
I appreciate the hookless design is cheaper to make, so I am keen to understand what went wrong. It’ll be annoying if I had to change wheels as a result. 🤔
I see loads of vitoria air liners flying out hooked mtb rims on the trails aswell the Bright green foam is a new thing on the trails never see a cushcore or others flying out it's all the airline's
It'll come to a screaming halt when the lawsuits start manufacturers only like them as they are easier for them there's no advantage for us at all.
Grande come sempre 💪. Thank you Federico.
Excellent. I even gave up on tubeless w/hooked wheels. It’s such a mess, and not practical. I always had the punctures where the sealant refuses to seal. It happened every time. The sealant makes a huge mess and ends up giving riders around me the infamous “Pearl Necklace”.
I went back to tubes.. and use RideNow tpu. I love them. Cheap, especially in bulk. So light- especially when used on top of the line clincher only rated tires. A little more puncture resistance, but do seem to leak out a bit over a few days.
Hookless is just not a safe technology .. maybe mountain bikes.. But I know of mountain bikers having disasters as well due to blowouts.
Carbon frames
Disc brakes
Tubeless
Reaction of some old people when these things came:
I'll pass
Hookless is a different kind of clincher system found in the buttock region when riding those extra fast descents🤟
The world is crazy…and the workd of road cycling race is more crazy, and the more crazy is no have any entity to put a stop on this craziest trend . Im not old, but im old school, i know what is good and what is pure propaganda to ripoff money from the pocket, but this companies existing because allways have some enlightened ( or blind, whiteout offend the real blind people) allways burying because x or y guy or team on grande tour use.
no more words.😎
No, you absolutely got it all right! The industry is constantly fixing things that aren’t broken! All in the name of the almighty dollar. Tubeless is a great example of this. What an unnecessary pain in the ass that is! If I get a flat, I change it with my CO2’s I less than 10 minutes, and off I go. Thanks for sharing your opinion brother, hope the industry wakes up, and fixes all this BS before somebody gets killed. Also, this mindset is literally losing them money, not making more, by losing many customers like me. I have used and loved Zipps for years. I was recently in the market for new wheels, so of course I went looking for the new 404’s. Then I saw the hookless, with a max psi of 73. I am 220 lbs, and run 25’s at 110-120. Super fast, zero road resistance, and zero flats. Zipp gives you no choice, so I bought another brand, a loss of over $2000 for Zipp!👊😎🚴🏻🚴🏻
Thank you for your insight and video film .
I really don't know what to think about hookless. I'm on hookless rims because my bike came with that technology. I have never had any problem over four years and I did some really fast descents on the Italian Alps. I can't see any of the reputable brands which embraced the hookless technology put their customers in danger.
On the other hand you can see that manufacturers are still split on this hookless/hooked debate unlike it happened with disc brakes where eventually all manufacturers switched to discs. Curious to see what will be the outcome of the UCI investigation.
Who came up with the idea? An accountant.
I knew from day one there is no way I’m going to ride these. People can talk lab numbers all day; it doesn’t matter. There is no discernible difference or competitive advantage. It’s an advancement in technology that is no advance at all.
it would be hilarious to see the pro peloton go full circle gluing tyre lips to the hookless walls for safety, at that point just make tubulars with built in sealant.
I do not like hookless. But here’s an unpopular opinion: for us to rant on hookless when we don’t (and have never) ran hookless is like people hating on Apple iPhone but have never used them. Or people hating on Specialized but have never ridden a Specialized bike 😂
Hookless is nothing I want any part of, I would have to be right at the limit with the pressure because of my size. 🤙
Can't agree more. Having said that, I'm an old fa*t too 😂
Hai perfettamente raggione
I was going to comment about mountain bikes having hookless rims for years, without any problems and look at the riggers they’re put through? But sadly it’s the same old story. Whenever something new comes out like for example discs? Everyone puts their puritan hats on, brandishes their pitchforks, heads for the town square screaming “WITCHCRAFT!…IT BE WITCHCRAFT I TELL YOU!!”🙄
I've got an hookless rim with my giant TCR. You need to get compatible tyres following the manufacturer specifications. You need to stick to the prescribed pressure. Here all the cons end. All the rest is just pros. You fit the tubeless tyre literally with a normal pump, no compressor needed. The wheel is actually lighter but I don't matter. 2 years on, never got a flat, and I rode the whole Strade Bianche on a Continental Granprix 5000 25mm. I went over holes, stones. One time my tyre got stuck on cobblestones, I hit the ground, the tyre was in place.
I think that most of the issue we see today are due to a misuse of the tyre, mainly due to pressure. In the UAE desert they pumped the tyres in air conditioned places and put it on the hot road. The pressure increase caused the issue in my opinion.
The pressure limits are not well communicated and/or underestimated by old school riders…
Hookless: I would never go there. Tubeless: I would never go back.
RedBull don’t grow you wings and hoekless wheels don’t lock your tires, who gonna suit them first?
Another interesting video Federico. As others have said, why change a design (hooked) that is proven and not dangerous, that's right it's cheaper to produce. Good idea in principal but in practice not.
Maybe on a cycling track, a wooden one at that?
Reminds me of the crazy EV push at the moment
After discs, electronic shifting and internal routing there’s really no more problems to fix. So in order to innovate the industry introduces new problems. Look at the new Giant TCR, it’s almost exactly the same as last year’s model.
Totally agree, hooks for me.