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    Welcome back to lanon Rouge cycling podcast for the double header recap of parin stage three and torano adriatico stage two we’ve got a Sprint Ino adriatico but first we’ll do the parin team time trial a a really tricky parkour with different strategies I thought this was a really interesting

    Team time trial I watched the whole thing I love the TT in Toro yesterday I’m I’m loving the TTS at the moment uh and this is in O they do a loop South and back the way south is uh headwind and oh not maybe not headwind but slower

    They have two Hills uh both 2.2 k at about 42% the intermediate time checks on the top of the second one then it’s fast on the way back a a descent basically a false flat drag all the way into the kicker up into town into o there 27ks

    There was a bit of rain later in the TT uh and the rules are Benji remind me the rules or every one of the rules so first of all specifically for you the yellow Jersey Rider from the day before does not arrive with his entire team in

    Yellow just him that’s that’s a lantern R spe specific rule they should be allowed to yeah imagine group ftj all full yellow oh the kip would be happy with that but anyway the other rule is that in this specific time trial the time of the first Rider

    If he’s alone counts for him alone the people that drop get their own time so in other time team time trials it’s usually you got to finish with four or five Riders and then the time of those Riders counts for those Riders everybody else that drops is dropped but in this

    Specific moment it’s the first Rider that counts just for the first Rider it’s basically a team time CH with individual times right yes and there’s a 30% time limit luk looked up for us uh for out being outside the time limit so if you get dropped too early you still

    Got a pedal to the line and you could get dropped on those early Hills uh going earlier in the day was UAE jco and aana and lotto and then later in the day because of GC positions was Bora visma and quickstep and winning this TT after uh setting a time of

    3123 is UAE team Emirates when they initially said it we didn’t have a great Benchmark it was 40 seconds ahead of aana but then I thought aana at T1 dropped three of their Riders already and did the whole last segment with four Riders and eventually three with lenko

    And tahad are actually setting a good time so I thought 40 seconds it seems it seems beatable uh if you told me that UA would put 120 on a starter in this TT I wouldn’t have been surprised so maybe just de not did a really good t TT

    Sometimes they do uh and then but that was in good weather jco were 2 seconds behind them at T1 but they slowed down to the Finish they had a really good team for this and they finished second on 3138 and EF finished third on 3143 I can’t remember last year I’ll

    Look it up but uh from memory those teams were all in the mix last year uh yeah EF and jaob were second and third last year so they’re obviously specialist in this discipline and it’s probably a shame for them that there’s no TT in any Grand Tour so great

    Performance from them what about quickstep Benji they were at T1 uh flying and then uh at the Finish they really really slowed down they finish in fourth on 3145 22 seconds back on UAE what do you think happened with them well first of all there were just two parts to this

    Time tral for me the time tral part where the first majority of the teams started the stam TR in relatively good weather finished it in relatively good weather and at certain point it started raining and that was in between the OE start and the the quick steppers being on the road

    So quickstep Festival had more rain to deal with in the second half of their TTT the same for borans who also wrote the second half of the TTT together with grup all in the rain so that’s a a major effect because yes the last half doesn’t

    Have those climbs but going at a higher speed means that you have to be care more careful in Corners when it’s raining and so forth and in addition to that the slide downhill there so all that comes into play to the point that I think a team like quickstep a team like

    Bora those definitely got hindered in the second half of this time TR which shows in their times because like you said quickstep was flying in the first half Bora was relatively flying in the first half as well but we’ll get to their story in a bit but quickstep also

    Just dropped completely in the in the second half when it comes to their time so so they end up being behind U mems behind ja behind e edication first so they go from in full position at the intermediate check to fit the finish line which I think it’s for the majority

    Definitely wet infus that difference but I’m also starting to question all strategy wise cuz it was a bit of a chaotic ending when it comes to Quick Step In My Head yes they finished with two Riders preferably the two riders that you would like to finish with which

    Is REM quool and Elon Von Wilder but I kind of expected call to cross the finish line alone in this race in this team time trial and it looked like when we switched to quickstep in the last portion that REM was kind of gassed he

    Was kind of done for and he had to try and give his best to stay with Von Wilder and then when he tried to outsprint Von Wilder well Von Wilder was looking at him and hoping that MCO could pass him and so forth so Von Wilder had

    The energy left and then I’m then I’m questioning did Remco do so much in the running towards the final and should Von Wilder have done a little bit more earlier for that to be the other way around you know yeah exactly we don’t know if Remo had bad legs and vanilda

    Was stronger or the probably more realistic scenario is that that Remco did the hills almost you know 50% himself the two Hill sections and and did you know a lot of the work for that team we saw that in UAE in the TT last year that he did so I also think there’s

    Generally a trend when you look at the uh the start order so the the five last teams are sudar quickstep marar Bora visma and group armor fdj and they finished uh from T1 to the finish the quicker section in the rain 16th 17th uh 20th 21st and 22nd that’s so so uh it

    Has to be a little bit of a weather component uh playing well it’s a yeah but maybe there’s other things as well uh we get I want to get back to UAV but maybe because I got to get them their props but someone a team like borans

    Grow up they no no let me do the props UA first um okay UA I think they they played obviously perfectly they dropped pollet early so either they got pollet to basically death pool before the hills and then they’re like you’re not going to be able to go over these Hills quick

    Enough with Solair finfisher black Al mcnalty Vine uh and gr sh no uh so they yeah so they just got rid of pollet and then you basically got six guys who are between 66 and 70 kilos all good really like all good on the flat all can

    Hold 400 watts for days and they just smashed uh well first of all they uh yeah they just smashed the Finish they were the quickest to the finish by 11 seconds cidus actually the second quickest from one in the finish uh but they were a little bit slower on the

    Climb so UA yeah they the way they paced it seemed to be to smash it to the finish and uh they still did a good time to T1 and it’s clear that to me Benji UA got the best I know they got big budget but and good Riders but they win

    Yesterday was they us saw a flat TT in team time trials and TT setups they’re probably they look like they’re the best in the world at the moment yeah when it comes to their setup it it seems to be a really good setup in the last period and remember the days where memes

    About the the kago setup but when it comes to the Tom TR it’s certainly flying that’s for sure and it’s their whole setup together because they’re just delivering left and right and if we take a look at this individual well this this team Tom TR individually then yes

    They have a different strategy because they need to be able to finish with more Riders and yes I think the weather impacted the race to the point that they might have won as a consequence of the weather but that doesn’t take away that they deserve the credit for this

    Performance anyway you know like this was a very good team time trial by this team and if they would have a single leader like a Pacha here it wouldn’t shock me if they win this TT regardless of the weather conditions do you think they would have won without the

    Rain uh yeah I think so because J did the jco and EF had the same sort of conditions they finished on 15 and 20 vizo didn’t have the best TT team here any else weren’t challenging did the rain cost quickstep 22 23 seconds 39 seconds in the second half is what they

    They lost 39 seconds in the second half and they lost by 22 seconds no I think you I don’t know I think UA still win their teams unreal for this TT when when you think when you see the hills and actually how the crosswind on the hills

    And how hard the start like people were texting me the Riders who done a Recon before the course on the course today this morning they were like this the first half of this is hard like way harder than last year and um also UA kept all their Riders together they

    Crossed the line basically with four Riders Finn Fisher black mcnalty Vine and aler in some sort of order talk about that now so yeah you’re right Fisher black was the first one to finish almea second McNuggets third and then Vine fourth and then we take a look at

    Bora and that’s a whole different situation right because I got worried very early on because if we take a look at the Bora team and the way they took this team time trial on they lost so many riders early to the point that we were looking at a a Bora team with five

    Riders only after 12 minutes into this TTT that means that we’re not even a one3 into this team time tral and then 4 minutes later roughly at the halfway point down to four and when they reach the actual top of the climb so they’re

    They’re in the in the T1 the end of well B basically the at the top of the climb going into the second half they’re there with Tre Riders and I felt like one of them was already in trouble it felt like might have been vlaz that was in trouble

    There for a little bit but that’s a problem eh three Riders halfway to time trial having to go into that L portion where Arrow matters in like a pretty flat terrain stuff like that so that cost them for sure I don’t know what they were doing uh Bor cuz yeah they you

    Look at their team for this TT soero vlasov Rog I would say are all Elite time trial Riders and they’re also like soero and and Vaso like R was a good time drives but s Lil probably like 65 70 kilos as well and they got jungal good rouer heill should be no problem

    Holler he’s like okayish on the climbs and niiko den like he should be fine okay van poble can’t climb but that’s fine like NE canini but um dropping all dropping four of those Riders you Les Hara van Popple and den to do but coincidentally all the like the guys

    Over 70 kilos for this like 70 km hour run in where you’re going to need to rotate with big guys it clearly wasn’t the right thing to do like I think there’s a balance and UA played it brilliantly UA did not wait for poet because they could not go quick enough

    On the climb to wait for poet inos and I think visma waited for tling and aeni on the climb so they could but it’s like okay that’s one guy is is the one guy worth it if you’re going to add if you can do the climb four five seconds

    Quicker is he going to say I don’t know I I not my expertise I don’t do the modeling um but then you get into dropping four guys and it’s like this is ass too much drop van Popple no problem and it just look like Roberts was

    Smashing it so I don’t know what they were cuz they did cuz they at T1 they they whacked they were second uh only 4 seconds behind quickstep and 13 seconds ahead of UAE to UAE in the second half they lost 1 minute and 8 if I can count I

    Think I can count 54 seconds no more they are you sure they lost 67 seconds in the second half yeah one minute a night so the Finish day were 54 seconds of yeah okay we were both hunting for the different number but you’re right it’s like is it

    Strategy yeah kind of as in maybe their strategy was to stick together but it certainly didn’t play out like that in on the road because if you arrive with three Riders at the top then you’re going to lose time compared to a team that has still have five five Riders

    Left in the second half of this dtt and it cost them and you see that in the way that if it wouldn’t have cost them they would have had a similar time loss as quickstep compared to way at least but they they lose like 30% more time so

    That’s what it costs to be with so little riders in the final and yes rogl makes a statement he drops flov in the final segment I love that because I think he rightfully should make the statement there but he lost quite a bit of time here that is

    Uh 33 seconds lost to Remco in this time trial and like we said the 54 towards UAE boys I would have preferred to have that a bit closer going into next couple of stages when he comes to R glage but are you ruling him out I’m not

    Ruling him out per se but he’s not the winner that attacks and takes two minutes on people you know he’s the he’s the last kilometer burst man and the one Mountain Stage we have this week even even certain going to happen happen yeah and you like yeah you can’t

    Bonus second your way back uh from that uh we should go through the other teams uh visma kind of a middling TT uh not the worst but also not they won this TTT last year so not great either one second ahead of aana Kazakhstan uh inos

    Grenadiers uh decent TT I would say I think they’ll take being being level with quickstep given the fact that they got Bernal and and sea Rod to nurse around I think they’ll take that they had probably the better weather conditions granted uh but in the end it looks like

    A not to to lose 22 seconds to that UAE team and I think they’ll take fifth uh to be honest and uh who else the cath not bad in eighth Trek really bad like that’s a shocker frankly uh they were just bad in all sectors I think uh

    They they were behind chuda who no disrespect but I’m not I don’t know who ch’s GC guy is here and um is vazar here yeah probably vazar he’s not bad uh he’s decent Climer they finished on 3238 which is 1 minute and 14 15 seconds behind UAE and that’s with when you look

    At their team here like it’s not like sh mza pson uh who else all the jerseys look the same stver the clerk but yeah that’s just uh not a good TT at all so that’s that’s gelo is a GC unless he has a miracle like where do you come back from

    That um like 115 and it’s I’ll just run through any others anyone other you want to pick out Benji uh from because there’s a lot of teams here frankly who don’t like the kathon have goal I think uh like they’ll I think they’ll take one second behind viz molisa bike too so

    There’s some teams who are like not the best in our minds in terms of of time trials who overperformed there’s some teams like Enos and visma who historically have been really really good they’re getting beaten by Jak and EF here and then sudal probably a bit disappointed and UA really really on top

    And then yeah b a little are really really disappointed with probably how today went yes but I’ll count you a little bit here and I genuinely think that quickup wins a stor TR if it doesn’t rain okay I think that made a difference if Remco says that m is going

    To be on him well I agree with that but it’s it’s just that the second half of the St TR with all those teams in the last portion the Rainy bit being the worst teams on the road today in that second half by like significant margin it doesn’t make sense it doesn’t make

    Sense right like how would shooter quicker than quickstep by 22 seconds on that path exactly if it doesn’t rain that doesn’t happen so quickstep wins is Without Rain is my opinion yeah yeah like inter Marche were 5 Seconds slower than Quick Step on that part and no no disrespect

    But they nearly P nearly crashed off the ramp it looked like they ripped the visors out of the helmets today and it wasn’t wasn’t looking good um and Qui so maybe I think you’re probably right when I look at the comparison between them and the teams who are just trying to get

    Around this course who had good weather it’s like there has to be 22 seconds in there uh but listen that it’s not but and it’s not even a this is a lock thing because you can’t choose this lock cuz gc’s positions have already been uh decided in the previous stages

    And talking about GC here is the revised GC so UAE have mcnalty I believe according to PCS in the leader Jersey uh Finn Fisher black almea and Vine all on same time so they got four leaders all of whom like realistically all those guys could win this race like based on

    Their previously shown climbing level uh they got 15 seconds on PL I think pla will take that after the TTT being the second best Rider not on yeah after UA rco’s on 18 seconds bernal’s on 20 seconds CR Rod caros Rodriguez on 22 Van Wilder on 22 jensson on 32 seconds

    Tahara on 39 seconds isira 39 seconds bill B 42 seconds we haven’t mentioned Bahrain he said they had a plan and you just they just couldn’t execute the plan and they had a bit of a shocker uh Bill Bell said afterwards goal on 42 seconds rogl is on 54 seconds vlasov 58

    Seconds goodu 101 saero 107 skelo are 113 that’s all the GC contenders I can be bring myself to uh to mention there’s a lot of GC guys here though um that’s yeah but there’s only a limited amount of people that can actually win this race from those from those list of

    Riders in my opinion and for for the for the win I’m Cur looking at at still Remco at I’d consider still Rish just in case but I feel like it’s a a smaller chance after this TTT then I look at U and I’m I’m thinking okay they can win

    This race because I just want to see four three leaders let’s see three leers three and a half laders attack mle left and right the reason that mcol is in the lead I think he didn’t finish first but I think the tiebreaker is the some of their positions in the previous stages

    And I think that’s why MCN is now the the yellow Jersey who’s their actual leader well we don’t know that and we will not know that until the hills hit the road will decide my friend the road will decide uh Fisher black is my call

    For for a New Zealand my guess is that mnalan aler a head in the pecking order normally yes of Fisher black and Vine yeah uh because aler because of his his GC history uh Y and mcnalty because he just won valenciana and uh so yeah the

    Um we’ll see but listen youu to on her feet Benji they were looking good and then they all got dropped so I’m not saying this race is over and youu are going to walk away away with it uh I think this race is wide open actually I

    Think this race is much more yon is AA can win this race he can I hope if it rains every day yes otherwise difficult he’s on 39 seconds the last stage is completely chaotic if it rains like okay probably won’t win this win this race I don’t see it yeah but don’t

    Be surprised if he don’t be surprised if he podiums the race um impossible I think this parently throws up some like also R is going to have to go Full Tilt now y he’s going to have to attack and the thing with Rog going full tilt on

    These kind of stages that in the past it’s actually been negative for himself like in that Vela that was it was it loonga yeah that stage was was was amazing obviously that was an early attack with Bernell and he smashed it there but the pattern in most races that

    If he opens early in parin at least then it’s it’s cost him quite a few times and he he barely survived in yellow the last time and Tiano last year it also got a bit close in that in that mud stage once once uh once yo opened it early and also

    It’s going to be dependent on how Bora can set things up for him as well and ah there there’s quite a bit still to look forward to uh GC is indeed relatively open and it’s good that MCO lost time to UA for that GC yeah I think uh I think the race is

    Wide open and yeah you’re right it’s probably good to someone Remos GC because now he has to attack UA as well he can’t just defend so yeah I can’t wait the m breu e stage that the M this is perfect course design we’ll talk about this is the

    Stage Tomorrow preview it now 184 km long stage four we’ve just had two guys lose Big Time RIT and Remco and Jorgenson with a decent visma team to UAE this is medium m Deluxe tomorrow up and down there is almost no flat in this

    Stage it’s all 3K 6% 7K 3% 4K 6% 3K 7% 2 and 1 12K 8.7% then there’s a little bonus gate before the Cutana leap 5.2k 7.2% and then uh descent into M which is 3K 7.7 uh% and some of these are irregular like Brey is irregular the last 2 no I

    Can’t count 3.2k is average over 8% uh and called the deres which is named after Luke durbridge I’m told uh that has 1 km at 11.7% I want to see a raid come on obviously we want to see I want to see a raid I want to see a raid

    Where you expect it on sh or already on the what sorry let me pin let me let me let me go let me see okay this is what’s going to happen we’re going to get Bora and quickstep you’re going to have to get sellout riders in the break on the

    Opening two Hills cuz some flat to open up that Gap Mark Solair you’re going to be jumping it’s going to be chaos he’s going to be joining the break but then it’s like Mark you got to get back you got to pull the pellet on cuz we got

    Four GC leaders and fact and then uh I think they called the B and they called it V is when you you start pacing they’re quite regular and then the cold of deres is where you go that’s where you go um so but come on I was thinking du or Bri afterwards

    But I fear that it might be F because we’ve often been disappointed when it comes to raids but I uh I like the idea of having a raid on the third or fourth last last climb as well those are the ones we’re looking at in our in our GL

    And it’s like yes you can wait on on food of up but then you’re like then you’re making a limited Gap you know cuz there’s a descent towards the M climb and that climb is then it’s still 3 km but yeah I’d prefer for some action

    Beforehand and also you kind of want to isolate it early right you want to make it as isolated as possible if your Bor our Quick Step to make sure UAE leaders get exposed before [ __ ] even goes down and vov is not far on GC and he’s

    [ __ ] good on this sort of stage he’s a good Italian Classics Rider he should be good on this stage use him here yeah you got to use it use him there I think um and B quickstep got vaner he he won TR Val varena he’s not and he looks in

    Good shape Van Wilder so I really now probably will have a group Sprint of 20 guys for the bonus seconds at the finish on Mon breu and all this is hyp hypotheticals but uh yeah I think tomorrow and CES looking uh no they don’t even do oh

    They do CES but stage eight looking really really good uh who do you who do you like to win tomorrow Benji oh who do I like to win tomorrow who do I think we’ll win tomorrow I actually don’t have a clue um for the sake of the ray Ro glit right

    You want to get him closer you want to see Remco get a bit closer to UAE you want to see one of the three and a half UAE leader well probably will only have like one U leader left after tomorrow but you want at least two UA leaders to

    Be exposed at this point and then you’ve got two UA leaders left against Ro and Remco for the next couple of stages but it wouldn’t shock me if we have a a solid view of who’s going to win the race after the stage already I think

    Rogl wins the stage but it’s not going to be and probably and he’ll probably be priced favored likely because he’s for the bunch Sprint but um I think it could be more open than that and uh and we might even see for the first time Benji Remco And Rog collaborating they now

    Have to join forces in pool because they got UAE behind so it could be very very entertaining uh so yeah tomorrow’s a mustat in my opinion uh let’s move on to tr oh actually no no before we move on to that because there was a TT today uh

    In pan East the UCI announced because what they do is they basically have a ticker that uh when a certain topic hits a threshold on Twitter they will then release some sort of statement um uh that happens with Jake Stewart and bani Etc so the UCI media because of the not

    The UCI media the UCI because of the outrage about all the uh hubub about the visma helmets yesterday says they’re going to carry out an in-depth analysis of the regulations governing the design and use of time trial helmets uh they recently conducted a review of the specialized head sock and they said it’s

    Non-essential component so that’s going to be banned from 2nd April uh in a month I can count in a month they used it today speci and Bora uh quick and Bora the Jiro helmet by visma the Rudy Project helmet byin the pock Temple which has been used for like a

    Decade uh acknowledges that while they may not directly contravene existing UCI regs it raises a significant issue concerning the current and wider Trend in time trial helmet design which focuses more performance and the primary function of a helmet uh namely to yeah like every single other piece of

    Equipment that’s ever used in a bike on a bike in a bike race namely to ensure the safety of the wear in the event of a fall uh the ucci will undertake a review of its rules on the design and use of helmets and competition by doing so it

    Wants to ensure there’s a clear framework that is consistent with the objectives targeted any any modification to these rules will be communicated rapidly after its adoption by the competent UCI bodies first reac re feels very reactive H for sure it’s very reactive first of all these helmets get approved before

    They are used so the specialized helmet was approved before the the the visma helmet now was approved Rudy Project helmet approved po temper approved so all these helmets were approved by the UCI for usage and now they’re considering whether it was a good idea in the first place all this should have happened

    Before approving it in my opinion that being said I don’t don’t think that what they’re doing is necessarily bad maybe the timing is just a bit off as in if there’s a solid argument that the head soog is non essential so the it should be banned then yes it’s fine to look

    Into that I I understand the part where you’re like ah it’s non essential so you don’t want to do that but then it’s kind of like what makes something non-essential you know like what makes something non- essential because if you then look at other things in cycling there there’s quite a few

    Things where you can start considering like when when some teams had their uh those like under under jerseys you know what were they called oh the um era Bas like is that essential to the sport of cycling like there there’s so many things that you can look into at that

    Point where you’re like okay these rules will have to be very specific for for something like that to be interested but the other thing I do find a good choice as in at least analyzing whether the helmets are safe and it’s not just a quest for Arrow but also the safety is

    Being warranted but that should have been done before the approval in the first place because otherwise you approv a helmet that might not be safe yeah like the helmets have to be safe as a as a minimum part of being approved they should be safe but I

    Presume that’s an existing Rule and the sort of Dan bigum performance engineer Tech like moving forward Progressive equipment thinking people like himself I think tip is also weighed in you know bigam on Twitter straight away says write clear and objective rules and stand by them the helmet box rule is

    Barely a year old yet here we are and I think by that he means the maximum Dimensions or the requisite Dimensions the helmet has to comply with and so the visma helmet complies with that and they’ve just written that rule and then they like actually Twitter Twitter said

    Dan ly Dan lyd tweeted and it got over 1K likes saying it’s bad so we’re going to have to review it the thing it doesn’t matter that it looks bad or anything that sure we can think that people can I actually think it the visal

    One was relatively okay the Uno x one I wasn’t a fan of beforehand but regardless of the fashion choices there’s no UCI commer fashion it’s all about the safety like that’s my thing like they need to make sure it’s safe and if they approved it it must have

    Been safe otherwise do you see I made a mistake in improving it in approving it in the first place so they’re kind of like saying okay we might have approved something that might not be as safe as as it should be because that’s that’s what it sounds like

    Right yeah I I think so or just that it’s not I don’t even know it’s like non-conforming equipment because of various reasons I’m not if the UCI comes out and they say we’re going to analyze where the safety has not been hindered by the Quest for era then they’re actively

    Saying that they didn’t check that properly while approving the equipment yeah um and then like it just seems like the Innovation is too fast it meets the rules and then they’re like actually don’t no not like that don’t do it like that it’s like well you people have

    Invested money yeah and not just Vima byin and Rudy they invested money in that helmet anyos might be cooking something up I don’t big them in any because these things don’t get made in two weeks they might be cooking something up to release it for the tour

    To help them to all the jro to help G uh win jro TTS and it could look even more radical so it’s uh probably all the teams that have development of of their Tech in this place in they like way so we release it the UCI is just going to

    Ban it four weeks later or whenever later like that seems unreasonable to me um but yep it’s [ __ ] timing in the middle of the season for that to happen and like he’s now now specialized we have to figure out what what TT hmet sent to all their teams that they’re sponsoring by

    The second they knew that review was happening for a long time um yeah I would guess so I like the analysis but but then the UCI comments say any modification to these rules will be communicated rapidly after its adoption by the competent UCI bodies shouldn’t it be communicated before it’s

    Adopted that seems like just a Mis typing cuz that can’t be right right the special well yeah you got to deal with the stakeholders one would hope um because they could be like we’re about to press green on investing 100K into this development of this thing um the

    Specie what sock thing is to me that the sock is not very offensive it’s clothing it’s like having an extension of the like what if what if your jersey ran up like just just doesn’t seem too bad to me but I guess maybe I think there is

    Specific rule set for the Jersey needing to be certain uh a certain way as well but like at what point are are you limiting Innovation by limiting this stuff if it’s for safety I’m all for it so if they have the argument that they need to

    Look into that for safety but I actually don’t know what safety issues that sock brings yes it’s not nice to look at but does change so no I don’t you might be you might get attacked by people that hate that sock anyway maybe purists don’t like the

    The Chang like Lance had a crazy helmet uh the tour looked like a toilet bowl upside down back in the day okay let’s move on to Tero adriatico we had our first oh no I will uh I will give you the Remco t uh Remco said that his

    Interview yeah yeah yeah I I’m just saying this based on the title and the and the description because I’m not going to pay for this this article I’m sorry alen but um basically the title says Nature has decided today Remco uh declares uh their their losses

    In I think we lost Benji uh I’m going to presume Remco said is is loss was due to the weather conditions uh but and after analyzing a little bit more it seems that’s the case and if we also remember the Welter TT they really got stuffed by

    The weather so um plal Quick Step In rco is that right Benji rco said it was the worest fault they lost yes but he also said the internet Gods took you out they didn’t want me to spread the news but in addition to that he said he

    Was also uh well he was also sharp for xt8 the cleric saying he didn’t go to the side in a technical Corner a dirty move I didn’t see that but so I can’t comment on it oh I called out the clerk yeah he called out tractor I didn’t see it so yeah fair

    Enough yeah okay uh let’s move on to ter adriatico first Sprint stage 200k is from kamor where they had the TT yesterday uh South along the uh western coast to fonica it starts with a little climb this is going to be a double corch break special couple of gradual climbs

    In middle of the stage nothing serious uh you know about 100ks and 70k from the finish uh with and then and then flat running they do a lap of the Finish there’s a right-hander 250 to go I called it out yesterday uh was it a double carch

    Break yes it was it was a double corek break we had in there quari and stockley from corek we had that they gave Charlie cman a new name Italian saying name yes and it was one of the bu Brothers I have no clue which of the two but we’re

    Going to have to live with that so those were the four Italians and no three Italians and uh I’m going to offend someone now I’m going to guess he’s Slovakian stockle that sounds Slovakian he’s Slovakian now I’ve changed his country he’s Swiss really fire take guy yeah [ __ ] I

    Didn’t know that really stockley is Swiss yeah Swiss German apologies to the country sterley well Switzerland took away a big mountain in the J so this is my revenge yeah actually swissland you could be bothered to shovel off some snow off a little 10K stretch Road get

    Out of here so you’re you’re Slovakia now anyway that breakway got called with 40K to go I didn’t watch from 40K to go until like 10K to go because I was watching the TTT in parin to be honest but with five to go be was keeping yo at

    The front Bala was keeping vingo at the front and then a crash happened hising Velasco and Chris F and uh well that was kind of the running towards the Sprint huh yeah it Wasing went down it was nervous big Pelon easy day and then this just turned into chaos once again like

    There’s just no dominant train you there’s no one taking control except Anto Mar and Uno X but their sprinters are nowhere near and basically this all boils down to that final corner and you know the two I can’t even see Phil merer and philipsson and then I see a quick stepper I’m like

    Oh it’s Bert uh coming up early it must be Bert because yeah it can’t it can’t be mer and then I saw Belgian Natty Champs band on his sleeves I said that’s jimer cuz I don’t think BS won your national champs and I was like what is he doing anyway

    Get to the last Corner two Uno X Riders are are on the front they’re going for varen scold I think Kristoff leading him out and I got a I I got a bit of a counter opinion on this okay mer undercuts this corner at high speed it’s a right hand corner

    90° slides in front of Kristoff and when he kicks he’s obviously going to put Kristoff on a gap yeah and he does that and Sprints the problem for him was there’s another Sprinter here whose race sense is insane he like jumps philipson from the left hand side on the barri to

    The train completely changes his trajectory in the corner to a much more acute turning angle while sprinting and immediately gets in the wheel of philipson with almost no Gap at any point I’ve never it’s unbelievable and so he’s because what could have happened if he doesn’t jump there and he’s stuck

    Behind you knowx in the in this corner he might not win this Sprint but he’s in the wheel of Mer meria launches it looks stupid what merer did it looks really stupid then after the corner because he’s giving philipson a lead out but they basically Gap everybody else

    Philson comes out of the wheel absolutely dust him meria gives up and then realizes he’s so far ahead of everybody else if he just pedals five times he’ll come second and that’s what happens uh so yeah but because initially on face value Benji you think is a stupid move

    From marier but I actually don’t think it was that bad because even if you think it’s a a stupid move if merer doing that in that corner if philipson is not in this race he always wins the stage doing that like that’s that’s a fact he’s just much

    Faster than anybody else philipson is in this race like you say and he’s just philipson is just the complete Sprinter he’s his instincts during a Sprint his reaction speed his adaptability to situations that occur in an instance it’s crazy light we’ve seen before in UAE tour Sprints and many Sprints that

    He just goes into gabs that basically don’t exist and in this case it kind of felt like that there were two unx riders in front of him and he squeezes through them gets to the wheel of merer and brings it home and it’s like yes merer

    Was at the front too early but if philipsson was not in this race malier wins with that move so it’s only because philipson is there and philipson is so good that he he got to Meier’s will that Meier’s move doesn’t work out but I got to be honest as

    Someone who’s uh who’s grown on sprinting cuz earlier a few years ago I might have been like okay some of these Sprint stages are boring but I got to be honest right now I love these Sprints where you have the the best sprinters against each other yes one Sprinter

    Might start with a small disadvantage on the other by the time the Sprint starts but then the other has to adapt towards that and the other has to adapt and it’s kind of like chess moves left and right you know and I love this man I absolutely enjoy this last Sprint and I

    Hope we see a few more in this tyano because the Sprints between merer and Phillipson are are having to watch I think in this sport right now because there are two best sprinters in the world Phillips in a more complete Sprinter merer in the straight line

    Might beat him who knows but it’s it’s a quest where that I that I enjoy I enjoy viewing but we spoke about Phillipson winning we speak about maler kind of you can’t really call it bottling the last Corner if he would have won if philipson didn’t react like that or if philipson

    Was not in the race so I’d say slight miscalculation is it’s it’s not even that I think in the end he has a big bigger chance of winning staying put and just trying to beat him Mano man in the last 200 but I will say in the

    Background bie moved from one side of the road to the other side of the road putting zangla basically with the decision of you break or you crash into the barrier and binam should have been relegated and he was relegated yeah I’ve had some eritreans comment angrily on my

    Tweet about binnie should be relegated was a really nasty move it it was a nasty move and it’s also I understand where those people are coming from because this exact move happened between philipson towards bny at the TT FR last year where philipson didn’t get relegated exactly uh but the difference

    Is here like he’s his defense is that he’s hunting for the the the draft of philipson so he basically is deviating following philipson and I can understand it but he goes all the way to the barriers so to 50 m I’m not going to say it’s nasty

    It’s just he’s following the draft and I think it’s a the way the rules are interpreted uh it never defends the Riders angler in that situation when Riders are deviating behind a sprinter to then and then chop others but then in the last 50 he opens up his wheel then

    Goes to the left of the white vertical line as we look at from the heli shot zangler begins to come through at 25 he’s going to beat Benny for third and bie puts the elbow out and and comes back and closes it again uh maybe the barriers come

    In N the barriers don’t come in enough to in he he blocks him for third uh yeah and he know and he knows Zang is there in the last 40 meters he knows he’s there he rightfully gets relegated but I will say once again philipson should

    Have been relegated in a to the FR Sprint it’s very similar from our memory so it’s like Vanderpool got relegated for chopping the [ __ ] out of him last year’s been on the receiving end of this it’s just Inc consistency and then yes what bam did was wrong but UCI is

    Incentivizing writers to try this because they’re not consistently punishing when it happens yeah um but yeah I mean at least he got relegated I think rightfully so you can’t move guys into the barriers like that so zanga third capio fourth van uden fifth VAR SC sixth lonardi

    Seventh ver and eth Milan 9th I think those two will be disappointed with that result particularly Milan nth uh having capio and lonardi beat you lard 10th Kristoff 11th B house I picked him but he actually came 13th uh you and 15th uh he was here as well

    Inos sorry inos went for ganner in the Sprint he finishes 18th they even looked like he they were using pidcock in the train uh maybe he was just moving over around the 3 km Zone to St at the front I don’t know uh but I would say and it wasn’t successful

    Today but I would say that Luke row looks really good I think Luke row looks like last year in a world tour race like this I don’t remember him pulling that well from 3ks to 2ks to go 10 Cas to go Sha but really at the pointy end of a

    Sprint leader and he looked really good today Luke Rose so I think he’s on a good level um for anyos this year just wanted to give a colleague a shout out pji uh podcast for certain but it’s also he should have been at the VTA last year

    And I hope that he gets that opportunity this year because he can help in situations where any needed him last year and then I I look at tomorrow stage which is kind of different you know because it’s 225 km F of all very long stage but it’s kind of an interesting

    Parkour as in it’s a bit Rolling Hills for the first half it’s nothing crazy the percentag are 2 to 3% when there are Hills but I’m looking at it as okay a breakable form we’ll see if it’s an Italian Breakaway most likely I’m guessing and in the last 30 km we’ve got

    This hill called the the Kaza castala 7 km 3.2% should not hinder too many sprinters I would say but I’d say it just after the descend of that climb gradually keeps climbing to the Finish I when you look at this parkour the profile Patrick is it me or is this

    Parkour a lie I think this is a fake news parkour because if that climb which on the parkour looks like it’s bloody alws is 3% then the climb towards the Finish is probably 1% I understand what you’re saying and yes it’s fals flat from chasa

    To no qu say quto in Spanish in I don’t knowto cetto uh but there is actually I’m just looking on the profile exactly here in so 1K to go trying to no so two case to go they do they begin that little kick up and because uncategorized un healthy uh before that

    It’s all false flat it’s like 1% so that that little uphill drag you see it’s 1 2% not a climb and then that kick up is I’m seeing with 1.5k to go % 7.6% 8.7% with 1300 M to go 7.4% then levels off 1K to go flat and

    Then actually the last 100 m is uh 3 and 6% so this is I think meria can do it based on Oman but I know philipson can do it I think 18 other teams got to get in the breakway tomorrow I think if you’re not going in the break on this parkour

    You hate world to wins I agree but I will say it wouldn’t shock me if we have the exact same top three tomorrow philipson merley is angler you all except exception Yan’s good on these finishes you and is going up kick like that um but yeah zangler okay call for this

    Yeah I accepted gang is really good on this parkour but how about Alani in the break Benji you know it’s I would play the two cards I certainly wouldn’t want to chase if I wasn’t on Al deer they can afford to do both and this is why like where’s uh where’s gazzoli and

    Scaroni for for aana Velasco crashed today but I’m looking at so many riders that I’m going to I’m going to name one he’s probably going to come top three in the Sprint tomorrow and I look stupid but I’m going to name some riders that and team’s got to go on the breakway tomorrow

    Um Alban on a ara and venini no brainer no brainer uh strong I’ll allow strong for the finish I’ll allow it okay but strong but not zangler no no no no there’s this thing where this thing in sing right it’s called probability yeah you can do both

    You can put a rider in the Breakaway the Breakaway Maybe court and then the Sprinter you have can still do the Sprint that’s a very might go all the way and then you have a r in the breakway we don’t know which of the two might happen let’s play both uh so yeah

    Strong uh I accept is good on this sort of finish but Simon Clark in the Breakaway not bad uh even Gia CA he’s not bad for this finish get meay in the Breakaway quick won’t uh Styler Breakaway little Trek they’ll go for Milan uh let’s get oh Runa Heros into Mar break

    Away VI meisa bike can I vingar break away yes you’re naming all these Riders and tomorrow you’re going to put on your TV and you’re going to see two c Riders a bani rider and a py rider fighting for the intermediate Sprint and getting caught just after bro look at

    Anyos haven’t got a world to win yet that’s crazy right free luk row I say luk row Swift and kovski in the Breakaway uh feli in the breakway for bani they actually might do it he’s good like tonelli reality is that the only reason that Enos doesn’t have a a world to win

    Yet is because they have sent Josh charling to not witer races yeah because you’re kamino well no he’s in parin now but um yeah he is but there’s no individual time trial there true Ando yes I agree um you know X breakway please did you just say V in the

    Breakaway yeah you missed that one I slipped that one through I was giving you on your toes see you’re listening my right do you reckon they’ll do it or you think I’m St like people just don’t give a [ __ ] I mean if they don’t care about

    If they don’t care about jro stage win last year then they’re not going to care about Toro Wednesday stage win going to be of Sprint Phillipson merer zangler exact same top three it’s not easy to control this stage it’s up and down all day it’s 225 km long

    Like yeah the problem is alberon can go quick cuz philipson he ain’t dropping on anything okay uh who you picking philipson marer zangler yes same okay I’m going to go with uh on theum Caleb BU as winner yeah yeah yeah it suits him being thin out a

    Little bit it’s it actually helps him yeah uh Yas philipson and who else can Sprint here Corbin strong maybe cor strong what happens toer he just real mechanical he does something stupid okay uh Cav had a puncture today and uh unlike these 50k planned bike changes on quickstep every Twitter France stage and

    He I actually think there might be something to that from like an optimization perspective like you get a fresh bike off the rack like I wonder if that is a thing I again I don’t know if for the last 50ks you’ve been riding around 150k on hot roads on a bike is it

    Better to get a fresh one off the rack um but yeah it this wasn’t planned 17K puncture do you think he makes it tomorrow Gish yeah to even to the the top 10 doesn’t look good no he gets 47th you know who I like you know who I like to

    This case b case ball he actually he actually not bad on these sort of thing on these sort of finishes he won Nira which uphill drag ah had of akan who was also very good at those sort of uphill drags in 2019 only 5 years ago um only

    Only half a decade ago sir give me I’m going to stop you from cooking I’m going to stop it’s enough I’m going to stop you from cooking right now I bet you for top three I’ve named every rer on the start list I can just who let this man

    Cook yeah I’m on one today okay uh is there any other news before we get out of here Benji uh I don’t think so I think we mentioned the UCI thing we mentioned Tiano we mentioned parin probably something happened I already completely for God but um I think we’re all done

    Awesome thanks for listening everybody we’ll be back with what I think will be a cracking par e stage tomorrow and no one’s going to listen to me in t t adriatico but we move on hope you enjoy the Pod and we’ll see you tomorrow ciao

    35 Comments

    1. What Jasper did to Biniam last TDF was even worse than what Biniam did to Zingle today. I agree that Biniam should be relegated, but there are certainly double standards involved. And usually its not the Belgians who are at the receiving end if it comes to stuff like that.

    2. UAE TT setup looks lightning fast these last weeks. And they will not need to change their helmet, which might be a plus as well LOL. I think Fisher-Black could be the strongest of the UAE guys tomorrow. But for me tomorrow smells like a huge Remco + Roglic raid, from 1-2 climbs out of the finishing climb. Could be a great stage.

    3. 40:30 this is what I call race analysis! LR is right…as Merlier is trying to divebomb the corner, Rickaert sees him, puts 2-3 pedalstrokes and moves to the right so merlier cant get the perfect line through the corner. I didn t see this at first but I think it was crucial for Philipsens win. Thanks LR and well done Rickaert.

    4. The UCI should just crack down on all the special TT only equipment. It widens the gaps between the haves and havenots, doesn't create any bikes or equipment that can be used by amateurs on public roads and tends to look stupid. The right place for the super specialized aero stuff is the track, although even there I prefer to see riders on similar bikes in events like the sprint and keirin.

      Preferably also all the equipment should be approved before the new season and then no introduction of new stuff during the season, but I guess the bike manufacturers want to introduce hot new equipment before the Tour and other big races and not in January.

    5. Surprised Remco is calling out his former teammate. From what I've heard Declercq is a nice guy and doesn't seem the type to try and sabotage his former team. And I'm glad Benji mentioned Philipsen's behavior at the TdF which was probably worse than Bini's today,. UCI definitely needs to be more consistent.

    6. I didn't understand Merlier's move and I fell asleep watching the TTT (not boring, just had a bad night sleep 😅) and I didn't understand those results either, so I was waiting for your podcast to have some explanations.

    7. If Vingegaard or Pogacar were 22 secs down would Patrick/Benji back then to overcome McNulty or Vine or Almeida or FFB? Pretty sure the answer is – yes (notwithstanding its Pogacar’s own team).

      Equally Benji’s point about Roglic is telling for July. Just how does Primoz expect to win le tour? Just with bonus second wins? With the ITT against Evenpoel and Ayuso? Is he going to ride away from Vingegaard on a long climb this solidifying his GC ambitions – the probability is not high. This is what makes Tirreno running concurrently so interesting. Vingegaard must dispatch of Ayuso’s challenge or a new narrative will begin to build. Interesting week!

    8. Not sure if this will be mentioned in the podcast. But as an Evenepoel fan i have to say he should not have said that of his former teammate. good he apologised after once the heat of the moment passed.

      Interesting result. Bernal only 2 seconds behind evenepoel. Both riders willing to attack. Glad Roglic is distanced somewhat cause he won't be able to simply shadow Evenepoel wheel. Gonna be interesting how good the UAE guys & Plapp will be in the mountains.

      Hope LT is wrong about evenepoel form.

    9. For Roglic to win TDF he must be able to gain minutes back, although he has no chance against Pog and Vinge. In a few days we will see.

    10. I really loved the Paris-Nice TTT (actually, I like them in general, and I wish the Grand Tours hadn't gone away from them). But the combination of the hilly course and the individual timing makes it even more interesting than usual…

    11. that was stage 4 TdF when Mvdp got relegated for a daylight foul play on Bini but he got away with a mere slap on the wrist when he got relegation, plus a fine of only 500 Swiss Frank and docking him off 13 UCI points….all that was pointless and symbolic as the beneficiary, who was Philipsen, of that horrendous foul play by his whole Alpacin team lead by MvdP wasn’t punished at all…… Again in stage 7, Jasper Philipsen himself dangerously cut Bini forcing him into the barrier and got away with murder that stage. What makes today’s UCI commissars decision is that Axel wasn’t ahead of Bini when Bini jumped to the right to get into Philipsen’s slipstream and he only saw Ziegler coming from behind him so how can he cut him when Bini is already ahead of him…… it’s one of those unfair commissars decision where there is one rule for Bini while there is another for the rest of the privileged riders….. besides there was no way Ziegler any faster than Bini and no crash had happened….. it’s frustrating that there is no inconsistency by any stretch of imagination nor is there a level playing field……

    12. Roglic has never needed to take risks and go for 2 minutes. Now he will have to try so that will be interesting. I see Primoz and Remco working together to put the hurt on UAE

    13. I'm with LR, the whole team in yellow in th TTT makes sense. Then the people can understand that it's the team that's got the yellow jersey, with just one guy in yellow it looks confusing.

    14. You guys are seriously underrating Roglič for the next few stages. It's so untrue that he never attacks from far. He's still the favorite for this with Remco.

      Roglič was the most agressive guy in TdF 18, did a crazy raid Itzulia 21, the Bernal raid in Vuelta 21, again attack from far in Itzulia 22, a few attacks in Vuelta 22, when he was far from his best. Then attacked on stage 8 in Giro (the only GC rider to attack in the 1st week). Then also agressive in Vuelta. It's bullshit to say that he never attacks and only wins on bonus seconds…

    15. With the helmet discussion, wouldn't it be more equal, if every rider has same type of helmet, otherwise a richer team has more opportunities

    16. Rogla and Remco cooked their teammates on the climb before the intermediate split. They were drilling that climb on the front, providing next to no draft to the second guy

    17. The American pundits on Peacock mentioned that maybe the wind changed when the weather changed for the TTT 🤔 They also pronounce Jorgensen with a hard J at the beginning which threw my ears after listening to you guys forever….. then realized he’s from Boise, Idaho and pronounces it that way! 😮

      PS Gawd I miss GCN+ haha

    18. The UCI needs to find a regulatory outlet to turn this type of aero envelope-pushing into safety innovation rather than playing safety catch-up and belatedly dropping decisions. Still waiting for the F1 Halo moment in cycling where we stop letting tradition, masculinity, and aero outweigh safety and mandate some slide and impact protection.

    19. Just saw in your description that you've dropped merch, awesome. I clicked the link with the pod playing in the background. As i'm eyeing over the t-shirt print and my eyes reach "and so forth" Benji says it in the pod, at the same time haha. It's a sign. I'm ordering a t-shirt, and so forth.

    20. I found it very odd from him to call out De Clerk, I think he should’ve discussed that internally because that guy deserves nothing but respect and I feel like he wouldn’t do that on purpose.

    21. The reality is the UCI cares about aesthetics, and because they aren’t engineers can’t envision how a innovative design will look within the rule frameworks so make these decisions retroactively. Having shown that helmet to people who don’t care about cycling they also laugh so to be fair it probably does make the sport less attractive and even a bit silly to potential new uptakes.

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