It’s a rest week in the Six Nations but that doesn’t mean there are not big selection decisions on the Horizon for Wales, Italy, Ireland, France, Scotland and England.
For Steve Borthwick he welcomes Manu Tuilagi, Luke Cowan-Dickie and George Martin back into training. So will any one of them get into the matchday 23 for the Scotland game?
Stick or twist what are some of the big selection decisions facing Steve borwick as England moved forward into the rest of the Six Nations three tough games coming up after two wins where they’ve won maybe haven’t set the place a light in the way many people would have hoped
For and some big name players coming back into contention for selection so welcome back to the channel that’s what I’m chatting about in this video leave a comment what do you make of this England team at the moment in terms of what you’ve seen so far and where do you
Think Steve borwick needs to go in terms of selection and in particular to the names I’m going to talk about in this video about the players that are back in training with the squad after brushing off some of their injuries make sure you like the video make sure you’re
Subscribed to the channel as well but as I say welcome back also apologies for the last couple of days with not having uploaded onto the channel uh I think the last video I did would have been following Ireland Italy on Sunday the reason for that is I’m in Australia
Visiting family so a couple of days rest well basically a day traveling a day’s rest and we’re back into it and I will do my best to keep the content coming throughout the Six Nations CU even though on the other side of the world the news cycle all that around the Six
Nations does not stop one bit so as I say welcome back and as I said some big names coming back for England some very very interesting ones so Luke kand dicki is back in Jamie BL is out Manu Tu langi is back in still no Ole Lawrence he is
With the squad but he’s going through rehab and George Martin is in Tom Pearson is out and Marcus Smith is also same as OE Lawrence still with the squad but kind of rehabbing the injury you wouldn’t imagine in contention for selection at the moment those are the
Bulk of things that I’m talking around in in this video and I want to start with Manu Tu langi does tu langi come straight back in and I don’t mean this in the way that English rugby for years has had this thing of having to get Manu into the
Team trying to fit him in in any way they possibly can I don’t think Manu Tang’s form has been as good as we’ve seen it previously he’s obviously had a lot of injur issues with injury but I think the way in which England have played to start this Six
Nations as encouraging it has been from a defensive point of view and an attacking point of view in regards to what they’re trying to do and where they’re trying to get to I think that Midfield with George Ford Fraser Dingell Henry Slade which they were kind of
Forced into really with tu langi and actually more than Tu langi Ole Lawrence who has been in such good form for B being injured they were forced into a smaller Midfield and on the whole actually I think generally they’ve done pretty well I do think it is an area
Particularly the Italy game and the Wales game those two matches we’ve seen so far that opposition attacks have looked to exploit and I think have had some success in that in getting themselves on the front foot against this England defensive system because quite simply Fraser Dingell and George
Ford in particular if you’re looking at the 1012 Channel and some of the bodies in forwards or or inside centers that teams are sending down that channel they’re just not the biggest men in the world so there’s going to be times where if it’s just those two in the tackle
Teams are able to get on the front foot against England and I think we’ve seen that a couple of times I think we would see it in even more when we’re looking ahead to the next games Scotland away Ireland at home France away some of the inside centers they have some of the
Players they have in that pack that will be an area that will get targeted which is a long-winded way of me saying do you bring Manu Tangi back in because it changes the complexion of that team in particular from that defensive point of view it’s a tough one as I’ve said
Already it has been something that has held English rugby back in some ways the Reliance on Manu Tangi for such a long time but I do think it’s quite lightweight that Midfield with how it is at the moment bringing to aangi back in solves some of those issues I suppose on
The flip side of that the way in which England have attacked how much much of that has been down to the fact that they haven’t had an Ole Lawrence or a Manny toang the way in which they’ve moved it more they’ve looked to spread the ball wider earlier and more consistently than
We’ve seen them do at the World Cup or previously over the last year with Steve borwick as the head coach if man tang is back in would we see the attacking shape maybe alter as well it’s really really interesting I would be inclined towards bringing Manu back in
Because of that thing I’ve mentioned of it being a lightweight Midfield and having three really tough games coming up I would rather it is olle Lawrence because his form for bar has just been exceptional one of the form centers in the Premiership but as it’s to langi as
The option I can understand why he is the guy that you would bring back in but let me know what you make of that in the comments elsewhere Luke C and dicki um it’s an interesting one Luke C and dicki so he is first of all he’s a good
Experienced option for England because hook has been an issue for a while Jamie George obviously now as the captain will always be starting but he would have been starting anyway he had to get through a lot of minutes at the World Cup Theo down was the guy coming off the
Bench but the disparity in experience just meant that Jamie George has been relied upon for doing a lot of the bulk work and I really like what Theo Dan has done and the player that he could turn into I think there are still areas of
His game that need to develop so do you bring Luke K Andi back in again going back to the fact of the three tough games you’ve got coming up to have someone with I think it’s over 40 caps for C and dicki coming back into the team as a
Replacement what a great option to have coming off the bench away at Scotland at murrayfield or do you stick with Theo Dan I’d be tempted actually on this occasion to stick with Theo Dan more because C and dicki has had such a Tor time with injuries and serious injuries
In terms of that neck area hasn’t played a huge amount of rugby that I would be tempted to stick with Theo Dan it’s actually a really good example of over all I think it’s a good thing that the Premiership doesn’t happen now when the Six Nations is on because a lot of
People stop paying attention the Six Nations just dwarfs it and the competition is weaker when you don’t have all the Internationals luk and dicki is a really good example of how we could do with more competitive domestic rugby happening at this time for someone that is returning from injury in this
Way but for the time being personally I’d stick with Theo Dan but let me know if you disagree the last one is a fascinating one because George Martin is back we know Steve borwick loves him we know that in that World Cup semi-final when he came in he was absolutely
Outstanding and I think because of those things he does come back into this team but the question is going to be where and really it’s he can play in the second row or he can play in the back row at six and actually despite the absence of Courtney laws quite quickly
You look at The Blindside options for England Ethan Roots has been really good so far coming in Man of the match or player of the match against Italy Chan lunning himself has looked excellent coming off the bench and there’s lots of people that look at him and think he’s
The long-term successor to Courtney laws is actually starting at six for England and now you’ve got George Martin so what do you do do you say bring George Martin into the team as a kind of number six in which case he either starts and that maybe pushes Ethan roots
To the bench or Trav Cunningham South drops out or do you start him on the bench so Ethan Root’s the one that starts or CH Cunningham South starts but George Martin has that bench spot or do you incorporate him into your selection for second rows Mar to and OE chessum
The second row so far Alex Cole’s coming off the bench to me my gut instinct is that seems more likely that George Martin maybe comes onto the bench for Kohl’s and he’s then that second row option who can obviously play six as well and because Ethan roots and
Cunningham South have been going so well in the early days of their International career you stick with them and you keep letting them gain that experience that would be my gut Instinct for how Steve borwick tries to work these players in so I’m saying Luke C and dicki for the
Time being you let him continue his recovery maybe trading with the team I think Tangi comes back in because of what he brings to that Midfield in particular in the defensive set in terms of where some of the frailties I think might be at the moment and I think
George Martin maybe comes onto the bench as a second row option rather than a six but who knows that’s just my gut instinct let me know what you make of it as I said at the start of the video as well Marcus Smith and olle Lawrence continue their rehabbing Lawrence is
Just a massive Miss for England because of the form he’s in and what he would bring to that Midfield so hopefully he’s back soon Marcus Smith is less of a loss I think purely because of the options at fly half in George Ford and SMI Finn
Smith but I think to me it looks like George Ford’s going to be the guy isn’t he I think George Ford starts at fly half if he fit every game of this Six Nations now for England and Finn Smith gets the experience coming off the bench which is the pragma Matic sensible
Approach I can completely understand why they’re going with it before the tournament I said that I’d like to see Finn Smith start but I’ll be honest I can understand why borwick is going in that direction it does make a huge amount of sense so what did England do
Do they stick or twist an unchanged team for the game against Wales the first time that was the case since the 2019 World Cup final I think we will see changes for the Scotland game going away to murrayfield somewhere that England have not had a good set of results over
The last years a rivalry that has flipped 180 from the days of England dominating it to now Finn Russell Gregor town and this group of Scotland players who are not intimidated by England one bit they have had the upper hand in the Kolkata cup over the last few years I
Think with some of those players that are now available to bothwick we will see changes in this team I look forward to reading your comments make sure you like the video and make sure you’re subscribed to the channel as well to not miss anything I’ll see you in the next one
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Think you're probably right. Although id add that Freeman is also a carrying option we could have used from 13.
Saddens me that Ewels is on over Pearson, a move I really don't get. Possibly sbows how little Borthwick values attacking play from his pack.
Punch through the middle is only part of the problem, for me, there is also a lack of cutting edge. Think Daly may also need to make way as we will keep Steward
They need to play the youngsters and mould them to the new defence system, this will have them ready for the next World Cup, England have won 2 games, regardless of who they select they will lose the next 3
My frustration with Borthwick’s selection is simple. He doesn’t pick the best/most skilled players! Those that don’t watch club rugby are being gaslit into thinking this is the best England has to choose from. It’s not! Far from it. The best jackaler in the prem (Will Evans) isn’t even in the squad, the fastest winger we have (radwan) isn’t there, the best finisher (murley) isn’t there, the form 10 (fin smith) isn’t getting any minutes, the form 9 (Spencer) isn’t in the 23. It’s not like we can afford to not pick these players as Marcus Smith, Lawrence, Tuilagi, Martin, Barbeary are all out for various reasons too. It’s madness, you could pick a totally different XV and the vast majority would be better players than the guys who’ve played so far.
Manu defence lol. Rewatch 2019 38-38 draw. He didn't miss tackles, he totally dissapered, again, as he often does. Overatted, well past his best and always injured.
Time to move on, or bring back Mike Tindal, or Guscott , or….
Twist. Twist. Twist. Twist. Twist. Twist. Twist. Twist. Twist. Twist. Twist. Twist. Twist. Twist.
Back line line isn’t balanced.
Centre pairing is not good enough.
Back 3 are…do a job but don’t exceed the job.
The last thing England should do is select the ‘big names’. Big names = old players and it’s time for new blood if they have any ambitions for the RWC.
Nice rundown of the options. Do you plan to do a similar team discussion for England "A"? They play Portugal next Sunday ….
Doesn't matter who we pick, if our game plan is to always kick, as a preference, as opposed to pass, we are going nowhere, yet again.
Unshackle the 9s let the 10s play, like Bath, Saints, Quins etc. Or, stick with the very able Daley and the excellent under high ball Stewart 😴😴😴 and tell everyone we are the 3rd best team in the world. 🏆
Two wins, against arguably the two weakest teams, no bonus points says it all.
Coach and Captain are talking a good game but we have no ambition, low risk equals low reward 😴😴😴😴😴.😢😢
Why are they getting booed, wish I knen? 😂
Agree with most of this. Dan looks really promising off the bench, Martin should be considered as the tight head lock as we need his grunt there and, like you, I think we have to go with Manu even though it feels like a retrograde step.
Watched Luke CD play against La Rochelle. Before he got injured he was immense, chopping down some of their big timber with immense physicality. Agree and think Martin should go into 2nd row – itd be harsh to drop Roots and Cunningham-South is exactly what we need coming off the bench. Manu isnt anything like the player he was, but we have so few options… maybe Freeman in the 13 channel?
Where are Spencer Radwan Murley and Evens we have a wealth of players Borthwick says we are a team in transition yet keeps picking the same old faces as an avid England fan I despair I’m completely red up with this kick and chase game we are playing most of the games this year have been dire there is only Ireland that are playing anything resembling rugby union
Why bring back Tuilagi and Cowan-Dickie , experience ? , its not like we are going to get the wooden spoon now after getting results against Italy and Wales , lets try a different approach and start to build for the future .
Why do people expect wholesale changes, ‘bring in (insert untested name here)’ & ‘why’s he not in the squad’ give it a rest will you, you can’t just rip out the whole squad and put a new one in, you need players to pass on their knowledge to the new generation but it takes time, it’s 4 years before the World Cup I imagine the squad will look massively different people just need to give it time to evolve, Steve is playing it safe but I believe he knows where the squad wants to be, give him a chance and keep a lid on your sensationalist opinions.
I hope they actually use their bench, disappointed Finn and waboso had little time in Italy and no time with wales.
Why in rugby are coaches and pundits obsessed with players only playing in one position( bar a few) if defense is the weak spot why not put George martin at 12/13 then Tom pearson as the sub ? for instance.
Genge, theo dan LCD,start,,Mario, Earl's,martin,also start, Freddie Stewart a shoe in, Manu, in, Mitchell in,
Can’t see England winning any of the next 3 games with the team as it is.
I just think bringing manu back is just a sticky plaster on the issue until he is injured again
Genge
George
Cole
Chessum
Itoje
Martin
Earl
Cunningham south
Mitchell
Ford
Tuilagi
Slade
Freeman
Daly
Steward
Bench
Dan
Marler
Underhill
Feyi Waboso
Roots
Spencer
F Smith
Dingwall
He'll stick. Sadly.
Regarding the centres, agree Lawrence is a massive miss. But defensively they are bound to look weaker while learning a new defensive pattern. My overview as someone who is crazy about the springboks is that the defensive style being implemented by felix jones is one based of pure trust, by in from the players and work rate. I believe the frailty on the outside is not an issue with the centres but with the wingers lacking the trust in the wrapping defenders. They seem afraid to bite in and leave space outside for the covering defenders. This is what the defensive strategy is all about. Sacrificing space out wide to cut off options in the midfield. Just my two thoughts. Trust isn’t gained by changing the team around. As Rassie says. It’s not about having the best players. It’s about having the right players. I wouldn’t change it just yet. I think the defence is not far from working for England. Just my observations.
Manu isn’t what he was, but Dingwall has made 6m in two games with 0 defenders beaten. Unacceptable for a 12. We need SOME carrying there
Mediocrity revisited. The new lot couldnt make a line break to save their lives.
OK harsh but its no less mediocre than before.
If Tuilagi had been playing against Wales, England would have scored two more tries.
2 opportunities that went begging by Slade and Dingwall.
When was the last time England beat the Scots? Just looked it up, in the past 6 years England has only beaten the Scots ONCE!!!
If we're looking for a future heavyweight replacement for injury prone Tuilagi, could Joe Cockanasiga not be groomed as a centre in the Andre Esterhuizen mould? He's big (huge in fact) and very fast. If it's skills he's lacking, we have an army of coaches in the England squad who could get more out of him.
I always thought Sam Simmons could be moved to centre for the same reason, he's gone now so maybe try Theo Dan there too. We have the impressive Luke C-D and the nuggety Jamie Blamire who could take his place as replacement hooker.
And I really wish we got an explanation as to why Radwan is never considered good enough.
You know it’s bad when England A is a better squad than the six nation squad
Quite simple: we don't rely on Tuilagi but we do prefer a big 12. We have 2 options and could train up eg Steward like NZ brought in J. Barrett to 12. Note Jordan took that initiative at his club level. Steward maybe needs to do same at Leicester. Regardless big 12 works with a Ford or one of the Smiths at 10
Alfie basterau at centre
As a Scot, we don’t really care who you lot pick. But please bring that chocolate knee’d myth of a man Manu back in, watching Scotland retire him would be fun 👍
As an irish fan I think u need to play slade at 13, he seems like the only centre that has ability to create for others through skill. Dungwall at 12 looks undersized especially when eng tend to play a slower style of rugby. Manu if fit would make most sense but is he ever really fit. When iv seen him in H cup he doesn't have the same power, size or speed so I don't know if he is up to international rugby anymore
Martin needs to get straight back in. We need to move on from Tuilagi. The options I see moving forward:
12. 13.
Dingwall and Lawrence
Dingwall and Freeman
Lawrence and Freeman
Lawrence and Slade
Hartley and Lawrence
Atkinson and Lawrence
Steward and Lawrence
I think all 3 get into the squad. Dingwall hasn’t been great, Martin will be on the bench, roots has earned his starting spot, LCD is better than Dan but it does depend on how healthy he is
Tuilagi is such a backward step. He can't pass and yet he plays 12. His crash ball is no longer as effective. And he gets injured every few games.
Manu gives the right balance for England in mid-field if he's now fully fit. Not overly impressed by Chessum with a number of mistakes. Would like to see Martin instead of him. Martin (5), Roots (6), Earl (7) & Cunningham-South (8) for me. Agree Lawrence would be 1st choice over Manu if fully fit.
Are we going to plan for the future or stick with the past? Dan of course stays. Martin is a no brainer. Get him in at 5.
Would love George Martin in at 6. Earl moves to 7. CCS at 8. With underhill or roots as a replacement but doubt it will happen
Manu, does one thing, that's missing at the attack line, he makes the opposition have to cover the threat, leaving a greater chance to free the wings up. Tested system, finesse, crash, finesse, so ideally, for Scotland, Ford, Manu, slade…
Fair play to you for getting a video out after that travel. Loving the content. And maybe a hard nap is deserved!
Big decisions by Borthwick, weellll, let’s think? When Borthwick was the coach at Leicester and won the prem, he fielded up to 11 non EQP every match day, now he is realising as the England head coach that the quality of player available from the prem is poor, mainly because every club in the prem is almost 1/3 full of players who cannot play for England! And many of those players play were we are weak TH No8 IC SH are played by non eqp every match day, you can ramble on about who should play where as long as you like but if the quality is not there (which it’s not) the performance of the team will always be average! It’s time to get eqp players into the game and reduce the amount of overseas and non eqp in the prem!
The lack of quality centres is down to the base root clubs not bringing on English youth and relying on foreign centres from top countries. We need to promote OUR youth now.