Speakers:
Onur Altintas – Toyota
Fan Bai – General Motors
Frank Hofmann – Bosch
Volker Ziegler – Nokia
Organizers:
Falko Dressler – Technical University Berlin
Marco Ajmone Marsan – IMDEA Networks Institute and Politecnico di Torino
Looking back at the last decade, one can observe enormous progress in the domain of vehicular networking. Many ongoing activities focus on the design of cooperative perception, distributed computing, and novel safety solutions. Many projects have been initiated to validate the theoretic work in field tests and protocols are being standardized. We are now entering an era that might change the game in road traffic management. Many car makers already supply their recent brands with cellular and WiFi modems, also adding C-V2X and ITS-G5 technologies. We now intend to shift the focus from basic networking principles to open challenges in cooperative computing support and even on how to integrate so-called vulnerable road users into the picture. Edge computing is currently becoming one of the core building blocks of cellular networks, including 5G, and it is necessary to study how to integrate ICT components of moving systems. The panelists will discuss from an industrial perspective the main research challenges for the advancement of vehicular networking and the novelties that we can expect to see coming in the short term.Panelists with extensive experience in Internet measurements, networks related to sustainable development goals, and highly-localized earth observation networks will discuss these topics and participate in a Q&A session with the audience.
Uh so we’re ready to start uh welcome everybody uh this is U the networking channel event on vehicular networking uh the organizers uh are Professor Falco Dressler from Technical University Berlin and myself Marco Imon marsan from uh formerly with poly Technic Torino now with in theia networks Institute in
Madrid we have uh four uh very distinguished uh speakers uh from different companies uh maybe farco you can move to the next slide okay and uh here you see uh on alas from Toyota fan by from General Motors Frank hofman from Bosch and fuler Zigler from Nokia um when discussing about the
Organization of this event with Falco we thought that it would be very interesting to have uh speakers from the industry to give us a picture of what is actually vehicular networking today what are the challenges for tomorrow uh what we can expect what is difficult where research contributions
From us academ missions are useful and necessary uh so uh since farco is much more expert than me in the domain at this point uh I leave the floor to Falco uh to handle the uh initial part of of the uh of the panel so farco please the
Floor is yours Marco thank you very much and particularly thanks a lot for for all the speakers to join I know uh for some of the speakers it’s a very uh unfortunate time um uh when when joining from the s in the in the early morning hours uh to this to this
Seminar for the Europeans it’s much more convenient in the in the afternoon late afternoon um so we have been working we have as as a community we have been working on vehicle and networking since quite some time and we thought it might be a good idea to use this uh
Opportunity here in this uh in this networking channel to do a kind of a reality check um so what happened what is currently going on and uh What uh what is possibly still missing um we have four very distinguished speakers here on board um Mark already introduced
Um all the all the four speakers the idea is that we give everybody here the floor for a brief introduction um of uh who they are what the what the their departments are doing and um then we move to uh the more Q&A part for this for this networking channel which is the
Interesting part for the uh interactions with all the audience of course um so for that I stopped sharing um the the the screen and um I think we should go uh forward with with all the with all the uh speakers here for doing a short introduction of their um of their um
Ongoing uh uh activities and um um so there is no particularly particular order that that we prepared for the for the presentations um but if you just go by name um I I saw Uno had just some some technical troubles but he is back Uno do you like to
Start uh yes yes uh sorry I dropped for a couple of minutes it was absolutely a technical issue so I’m gonna just share my slides share screen this so I hope you are seeing what I see we see a screen still not in presentation mode but uh how about This now it’s now it’s perfect okay afternoon good evening uh good morning to myself my name is alas joining this um panel from California and that toota North America R&D uh at infotech Labs I uh the infotech labs fellow and also a um senior executive uh here um
So the title of my clock is vler networking um as opposed to the panel vular networking um so just a quick note that I what I say here what I show here doesn’t mean that my employer is agreeing with me so are my um personal reuse
Um therefore uh please don’t take it as it is coming from to the North America um we are we are located in mountain New California United States uh this place was established in April 2001 basically for uh anything related to information and communication uh to uh about cars
So uh and and we are not a pure research division but an applied research division of T North America AR with a vision of creating connected mobile Society um forgive me there is there is a black rectangle on on the right covering part of your
Screen uh yeah that one can can you move that does this work no still there okay now it disappeared thank you very much thank you thanks for uh telling me about that um so uh well as we all know the the panelist here are all going through this transportation and is cold
That this is happening only once 100 years and uh there’s this enormous shave shift to case which stands for connected automated shared and electric or electric vehicles um now I have another slides are insisting not to go to the next page um but yeah so when we talk about uh
Vehicles and how they they communicate we we are actually talking about a lot of spectrum vs um if we start from the left the uh Japan um let’s say dsrc system uses 760 MHz so the Toyota vehicles are already communicating among ourselves over this band which is uh
Very unusual for the rest of the world uh the rest of the world is using or trying to use 5.9 gigahertz and there’s also uh we see Wi-Fi cars both in cabin and cabin within the five to six gigahertz band uh we don’t have 60 gahz um unlicense ban in M millimeter
Waves and also we are using 76 to 81 gahz Automotive radar and and are also part of our research also how to make this radar vents um to be used also for communications um then let’s just a quick look at who’s deploying what and where uh like like I said we Toyota
Started in Japan in 2015 uh and there are right now more than 300,000 vehicles and more than 110 intersections all operating in 760 megahertz in us it is almost zero deployment by the oems there are some region of RSC Deo of course uh but most of them are trial boes or
Or other or other purposes Europe as we know Volkswagen sold more than 1.5 million Vehicles equipped with dsrc you call it ITC 5 Europe but it’s working on five 5.9 gigz B and China is deploying M t2x so what does a connected car do and these examples are coming from U Toyota
In Japan uh there are two type of services uh in Japan uh maybe I should say three the first one is v2v only Services if you go from the left the first one is cooperative adaptive cruise control cruise control evolve to adaptive cruise control and adaptive cruise control evolve to the
Communication version of it which is called Cooperative cruise control there’s also first responder warning oncoming vehicle warning if you’re in an intersection and uh right turn support uh in in us and most of Europe it could be left term support um if there’s an intersection employed deployed with an RSU roadside
Unit uh there’s this right turn caution the RC the roadside unit see what’s happening in the round intersection with camons and some cases radars there could be right turn caution for either for uncoming vehicles or some pedri crossing the street there traffic light ahead warnings and and time to Green
Counters the third type is of course uh when you buy a vehicle today it is most likely to come with an embedded cellular model and what it does is uh continuously um talks to the uh autom manufacturers um cloud or data center H it usually provides services such as predictive maintenance over the
Software updates Network navigation remot access to the vehicle Etc and most cars today come with embed cellular radios and incab Wi-Fi and external Wi-Fi is um coming pretty soon and some some um but what are they talking in between themselves except for the U Cloud to car inations um as they recently classified
The cooperation classes into uh four type of classes I’m just showing three of them here uh there’s status sharing uh it is the usual basic safety messages or Co right that’s in in uh Europe um it’s just uh telling what it is doing and who am I or who it is and
What they say See by way of their sensors there’s also a category called intent sharing uh is not um like negotiation you’re just uh telling the people around you that this is what I want to do or this is what I will do uh in the next
Few seconds and of course the uh the other category is negotiation there’s pure request response protocol and this is already being developed both in Europe and and uh United States and so if you come back to this connectivity level my vision is that it’s going to be a u combination of
These different types some people some Vehicles if they are uh um if they have the radius to talk v2v equal to eal they will do that they will there’s already vle to cloud and you’re now seeing a lot of weight or efforts towards vehicle to Cloud to vehicle type of
Implementations um with that this is uh our um Communications and Computing Vision on top there will be the cloud server cloud and data server servers in between there could be Ed servers or we can also use make use of virtual Edge servers by way of grouping the vehicles
Together uh a vehicle to vehicle Communications including um so I before I I am probably already over time so like to fin sh thank you for your attention thank you very much onor and um uh also thanks for for keeping the reasonable um so we try to be sharp in
Time um for for the panelist so that we have more time for Q&A in the in the in the end um fun do you like to continue let me share my screen so can you see my screen yes okay in presentation mode okay so first thank the you know F and for the
And Professor Michael for the introduction and I think H give a very good overview and of vular VAR Network and from the automotive and Industry perspective and so go follow and on presentation I think F suggest me to talk about what is could be another research new Frontier and so I will
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Of the things the industry and the research Community is looking very actively these days and not only you know to a few car makers but the overall societies is looking to that part and the second part is even we have enlarged v2x Ben and also sful 5G and you have
Much boosted and Ben but Ben for n ver networking people is always the issue we need to optimize so the very high level idea is that rather than share all of the sensors and at all the time and you can really run a very intelligent solution and to Pi the most of valuable
Content to share with each other and so in that case we can manage and to provide the high utility function to each other and by using the most valuable sensor and information and Well Control the band usage and which is a normally have a cost implication as well
So last but not least is latency latency is because you you know that from Day Zero when we tox and for for Collision award for many of the fature and H since say elaborate how the Auto industry Invasion how this one kind comes in and
This low latency is from day Zero is the the critical requirement and for the automotive Engineers like onos and myself so in this new Advanced censor sharing capability and the data is much bigger than what we’ve been doing in the past two decades about the BSM all those
Things here so to make that happen you essentially need to very carefully manage the whole processing Pipeline and enable the paralyzation and try to really de compute decouple the computation and the transmission and all those things here and so a lot of our is smart networking and paration and the
Pipelining capability need to be done and many of the audience and US networking researcher are very familiar with and some of the pr method and could be used here so we we did very similar things on that part and try to really squeeze the latency to satisfy so
Traditional weight to act of 100 millisecond kind of requirement and then looks like we indeed achieve that that part so that’s pretty much like how to really address comeb back to the very high level and how to enable more accur position and how to use lied and how to
Control the latency is kind of research challenge when imagion so next Generation we when they want to share not only about the BSM or inten but also about more advanced sensor and we need to address loes and for people who interested in detail and the paper is
Published in open do and feel free to read the paper so as long that’s pretty much conclude and my part but I will say that’s the one of the potential front research Frontier and our community could further contribute to the advancement of Reco Network thank you very much uh fun for
The for the nice uh overview of your very recent research uh just going alphabetically further that would lead us to find okay thank you um try to share my screen now so I think you can see my screen now excellent okay wonderful um maybe short introduction to myself I’m Frank hofman
Working in corporate research from Bosch um here in hildesheim in northern part of Germany currently I have two roles uh first I’m a chief expert for communication systems that means I’m responsible here for strategy and road map for the research uh for communication systems in general that
Means not only in the vehicular domain but also in the industry domain Building Technology and so on um and my second role is I’m a coup manager I have quite huge team here working on communication systems um this one very important topic what we have today is the vehicular
Networking um in my slides I want to show you uh I have two goals mainly the first one I want to show you what we already achieved here in vehicular communication and the second one is um what is the Outlook what could be a next
Big step for us um as you know we have uh on the one side direct vehicle to vehicle communication for different use cases we have vehicle to infrastructure communication on a direct way where we communicate with traffic lights or cameras and the third communication pass
Is the vehle to network uh which we need also for different use cases which I want to show you on the next slide here here I have again these three different Technologies um with some dedicated use cases for typical use case for direct communication is the connected adaptive
Cruise control where we do the provision and speed and Lane change in tension uh between Vehicles so we can improve the currently available adaptive cruise control um by additional information which we get from other vehicles that means for example um information about change lane um or information about uh changing the
Speed so that the ACC can be adapt much easy easier um and then if you look at a more sophisticated use case the corporate driving maneuver um is a very good example where we um exchange also the intention that means we exchange trajectory between vehicles um on the
Figure you can see quite easily um if for example One the red car wants to change lane uh send the trajectory to the other vehicles so that the other vehicles can adapt their speed accordingly which helps also quite a lot uh for automated vehicles um both the
Connected ACC and the covered driving uh we already presented in demonstration um in public funded projects is that we have here already a quite stable research um nevertheless especially for the corporate driving um standardization is ongoing and I expect that there will be also uh still some challenging uh
Questions to be solved here in research if we look at the direct vehicle to infrastructure communication I think you are aware about traffic light communication where you get information about signal phase and timing of the oncoming traffic I think that’s quite well known we see spot and map messages
Um and which we also have uh partly in deployment um something new is the VRU protection with the collective perception that means the detection of vulnerable Road users as pedestrian at Crossings and the provision of this object data to the surrounding vehicles um that’s also something we presented
Already um in demonstration which works quite well um you can use here camera systems or lighter R systems um to sense the environment that means not only vrus but also all other objects and transfer this information to the surrounding vehicles um in in Europe we are here in already quite well standardization phase
At Etsy but also there is in the US some first standard available for the deployment of these use cases if we look at the vehicle to network communication what we see already on the road roads is the Hazardous warnings so that you get information about road condition and so
On um collect all these information for example by crowdsourcing from other vehicles and so you can inform Vehicles about critical situation if you look at a more sophisticated you use case you can use for example ta operation of vehicles um maybe on a yard for truck
Driver so that they can have a rest or also if you think about an automated vehicle which can uh cannot solve a dedicated uh driving situation at a parking lot for example a remote operation operator could take over and um control the vehicle and drive the vehicle to a different uh place that’s
Also something we demonstrated also but also here we see still some um challenges in research uh which are of Interest looking now into more into the future um what we have seen from the last uh slides here that we are quite confident about all these qm function
What we call them in the automotive domain about simple warning use cases about intervening Maneuvers but which are controlled by the driver somehow or which are controlled by certified sensors as rather a leader so we do not uh run different driving Maneuvers purely on v2x up to now um but what we
Have already in the field is so to say safety in a closed World um here I think I have to first to explain what we mean here with functional safety because uh functional safety means keep your system from Haring humans that means availability reliability Integrity uh has to be solved in before
And in this AVP what we call automated valid parking use case um the vehicle is completely automated but is run by the infrastructure not by the vehicle itself the there is infrastructure sensors available um and the vehicle gets only driving Maneuvers and um it’s a certified system
But sender and receiver are part of one safety concept and that’s something which is also in deployment um that means we solved the safety topics here we got a certification here um and that’s really a major Milestone if you look now at research then we have one open question here how
To get functional safety in an open world system that means if you have not a dedicated use case as in ABP but you want to be use case agnostic that means you get information from a many for many uh traffic participants as uh pedestrians or other vehicles but you
Want also to uh Drive critical intervening Maneuvers based on this v2x information that means you have to know um from which control unit do you get the uh information is it an asil certified control unit or not uh what is the data quality and so on and that’s
Something which is not really uh solved up to now there are some first ideas how to go forward there are some discussion rounds for example in Etsy and some research paper but here I expect that there’s still a long way to go uh to solve it but it’s really necessary
Because otherwise we always need the additional sensors um which are asil certified for critical intervening Maneuvers and what we want to run in future is uh also to run these intervening Maneuvers purely on v2x that would be the Outlook then thank you for the um for your attention and then we can go
To the next speaker thank you very much uh Frank um FAL I’m very sorry you have the wrong last name so this puts your last in the list um uh but never nevertheless not least um so FCO your stage yeah thank you so much uh FCO Marco for the opportunity let me try
Share my screen so this is about the future it’s about the future of vehic networks and the path to 6G I know this may come as a shock to some of you since we have what six more years to go some eight years to go with 5G and maybe we shouldn’t dilute
The attention and we have now finally up and running and the engagement level with the automotive industry in particular and by the way on coming back to your speech uh just forgot forgot there was no there is no slide yet okay your screen share is loading that’s what it’s
Saying uh I see you which is nice okay yeah I’m getting a message screen share is loading okay I’m not sure what that means maybe do I do stop share and try again maybe so but it still shows a shared screen with some Q&A uh Frank is it still your screen
Um be on the safe side yeah I’m getting the same message here your screen share is loading that’s the message I’m getting what I see on the screen is how s links is used in b2v and the start of an oh okay but um yeah probably sharing this small
Window stop sharing as a Frank need to stop sharing and then wal kind share but I already stopped the share okay ah okay now we see it PA very sorry but now now finally please go ahead that’s just fine thanks Frank for for this so anyways uh future of
Hler network so path to 6G and I said I think on you heard you talked about 100 years renewal cycle for automotive now when it comes to mobile networks as you Val there we have probably something of a 10e cycle this is exciting times because we are getting closer to
Basically agreeing on what the foundational 6y release release 21 will be two years away from now and what I’d like to do in the next seven minutes is to give you a quick view in terms of what that future will look like truly from a more networks perspective and so
Let’s Dive Right into this and terms of opportunities and terms of groundwork for vehicle networks that has been broadly done and I guess uh Frank you remember this we had when was it the uh A9 Highway trial 2015 Edge Cloud connected cars uh it’s a long way back
So we uh successfully put in the Clow work in conjunction with uh release uh 8 to 13 definitely and 14 now 15 16 of course 5G new radio and all of this now merging if you like into an exciting trajectory of opportunity and that’s the
Upper part of the slide of the chart and there’s a timeline in the middle in case you’re not aware so what is now happening is definitely really 17 ecosystem expansion including Automotive 5G Advan coming up with a lot more emphasis on Uplink just to name that part as well as Exile functionality and
When you look at the upper part of the slide now there’s a number of Technology Building Blocks very relevant also for automotive and v2x broadly speaking so there is this architectural element of transformation Cloud ran hybrid run and also open run you have that notion of
Spectrum and uh I think one of the previous speakers already showed the uh kind of spectrum areas as we have there is now exciting news in terms of news Spectrum also World radio conference good news uh we we are getting additional bands and that’s uh particularly relevant like upper zg
Ultimately we also see millimeter wave but I think the one element that really is important also for automotive is this uh notion of networks going 3D now 3D in the sense of three-dimensional non-terrestrial and that of course is a very high relevance potentially also to uh to caruse an automotive why because
It’s all about ous coverage and maybe we can come back to this um in terms of high level themes clearly carrier aggregation 5G Advan Network modernization what we should also highlight is the theme of Automation and cooperation which indeed is one of the key themes also for the automotive
Families of use cases and all of this lower rightand corner of the slide links into societal value right this is what the ambition I would argue is truly about um not not just out of noia and by the way I’m I have the pleasure to work with the fun part of Nokia technology
And strategy strategy and Technology unit including it’s a big unit including Babs research including standards technology leadership large so our ambition here clearly is and I think we share this it’s about societal impact and value zero ferality environmental sustainability and inclusion inclusion in the sense of of uh traffic and transport here in
Particular so with this building the collectivity platform just uh giving this a quick look in terms of where do we stand what’s the outlook here I’m quoting upper hand of the upper part of the chart numbers from a uh from a consultancy firm analyst firm May
Research and you can see uh what it looks like it’s it’s great news in a couple of ways why so definitely Vehicles do use do use 4G LTE as well as 5G networks connectivity and uh as well as uh 5G v2x Direct Communications and who would have
Thought a couple of years back but great news now we have huge momentum all over the world as regards cell connectivity and uh so dsrc yes it’s still there but it’s comparatively speaking not as significant and we all Converge on that notion of cellular which I think is
Great why because it allows you to go for economy of scale and leveraging the standard when you look at some of the promises uh now some folks Without You myth but I think these benefits are real so it is and this links into economy of scale aspect aspect it links into lower
Cost through the use of existing networks and the same would be broadly true for the automotive industry by me of cost saving uh leveraging assist networks and or general elements of buildout and then of course also a motivator here now this would be for the communication service providers The
Operators to really go for new opportunity in terms of Revenue and growth uh hosting potentially roadside units and thereby providing higher value ultimately to the automotive industry so what you can see here by the way is clearly a need for and um a momentum as regards collaboration collaboration will
Be key ecosystem collaboration that’s also um of course a challenge at the same time but ultimately we are confident it will happen why because there’s all the benefits associated both for the drivers more safe uh more efficient as well as for the for the public at large and societal acceptance will be
Important with this maybe moving to the last slide I want to share here so that we have some time for discussion FCO um everyone so this now is indeed um and um it’s an exciting perspective in terms of bringing the vehicle future to life now for the Third so this is the
Long-term future if you like what you see here um are the six key technology areas for the 60 essential infrastructure as you can see they include Spectrum especially new bands going up all the wages up terahertz AI native air interface we can discuss this more but it’s more generic in terms of
Enabler but then there is clearly four domains if you like technology buckets that really have huge promish and potential for uh the automotive families of use cases both in Dimensions um of you know automated traffic as well as traffic efficiency and safety and this is Network as a sensor so the key idea
Here is that we would trly utilize networks that are built for communication purposes also for sensing purposes it’s a pretty cool stuff and we have made lot of progress especially out of Germany as FAL there’s the architectural element of transformation and this goes deep we could discuss this
For the full today um probably what I would highlight here obviously is the element of cognition so AI kicking in but also the option to go for specialized architecture what do I mean by this and this links into extreme connectivity options you would have like a car could be like a dedicated Network
In its own right and now in a simple case you would have like a Gateway you would reduce or optimize tailor the protocal St within the car linking into white area network just as to illustrate this so in x in car and then some performance attributes as needed within
That special uh setting would be what be what associate with extreme connectivity in terms of both bandwidth latency and or reliability or other attributes of performance and last but not least just to highlight this security trust and privacy privacy in particular very important areas of research and just to
Hint at this one of my favorite areas is the way you basically share workload between car and Edge and network and how to do that in a private fashion and there’s a lot of cool ways to do it homomorphic encryption the way you share the load among different Edge
Players um so as to wrap up so these are areas of high potential relevance not next next year but uh in the 30s mid-30s probably um and then last point to be briefly made is on the left hand side indicated what is 6j day one Focus what
Is it that we try to deliver by end of 29 and there’s two themes particularly relevant for automotive the one is resilient connectivity dependable and real time and then of course big time very important and we can discuss this more you big withous connectivity by integrating TN and NTN so terrestrial
Networks and non-terrestrial of course as you aware thanks to all the Leo constellations lower at orbit satellite and constellations now increasingly up and running some of them with direct to device by the way many of them powered by Nokia this will be cool stuff and really enriching and transforming the
Paradigm with this back over to you thanks um thank you very much Falco for sharing these uh these insights um very much appreciate it actually um uh so this so thanks a lot to all the experts here by the way um uh uh this is wonderful stter for this for this uh uh
Networking channel panel today um Marco and I be prepared um a few kickoff questions um for the for the Q&A part um I even though we are a little late in time I I still like to go through a few of them um having having the questions
Only dedicated to a single panelists um uh and uh try to I don’t know I make the question very short you you try to be brief in the in the in the in your discussion and then we switch to uh uh all the questions from the panel from
From the attendees in in today’s meeting um reminder please write your q& questions into the Q&A form so that we can go to these questions in a second so my idea is we again prepared a few questions um so um when we when we do that um I have one question per panelist
Um so it’s quite unknown to the panelists which which question goes to whom um so uh let’s start with with Frank um uh what networking features do I get when I buy a car next okay thank you for the question FICO um I have to think about it um there’s a
Personal View and also the few from an automotive supplier but I want to start maybe with a kind of no-brainer that means we will see 5G technology in the vehicle um up to now typically you have it in more or less every smartphone but typically the automotive industry is not
As fast as the smartphone industry and here especially the mbb features that means high bandwidth which is needed in the vehicle uh will be soon available and or is already available in a few in a few uh cars but will be standard equipment in every car I doubt a little
That we see Ur LLC and mmtc features in the short term um especially Ur LLC we expect quite uh good improvements for some of the functionality nevertheless it will take some time because it’s shown that these features are not available yet in the uh public networks um another topic which I think
Is really promising is non-terrestrial networks um because what we also see the uh coverage is not as good as we uh want to have in some of the countries and uh 5ga started with use case analysis and in 3gpp in release 19 we see um next steps I think that’s something we will
See a third point is v2x direct communication I think the the numbers increases quite well here in Europe but also uh us decided here for CVX to uh to implement on release 14 and that’s also something which I expect to see soon in vehicles and I think these are three
Typical three Technologies um but also if you look from the functional s the functional side it’s not only about safety but it’s also about Comfort uh when thinking about offloading of functionality that means that you use compute resources in the cloud or in the edge uh for new more complex
Functionality based on AI there yeah um more than I expected so let’s see I I trust I I will um uh check double check next year with what is in the market and I get back to you and uh so let’s let’s move on second
Question we have so we have done so much research now go B mod on the research side um uh cative thriving cative perception fun you you talked a lot about uh distributed sensing Cooperative perception as a as a as a main field um what’s coming next what is missing so um
From a from a car makers’s perspective from your own perspective um are there any totally open questions yeah so I’ll will see that from my own perspective research perspective and I have the same disclaimer as on I have in his slid and so I see that you know here’s two same
Here one is for this community we’ve been study peer-to peer and distributed the networking and for almost two decades and it’s still evolving and you can pretty much the piping is being built and the research Network architecture is being built is really matter of how to enable more and more
Richer content the work I present is one with example and among many other kind of potential and enrich the content aspect with that and I think that as H since I showed sa and a couple of other standard Community is working towards that part is seems to be on the right
Track the other thing I think coming back to your missing part I think that here’s always a harmonization between the SoCal distributed peer-to-peer Network and in the past two deck and with a more centralized cellular Centric and how to really kind of a build more holistic and architecture I think that’s
Using both the strengths of cell network as also Lo and and F FR talk about that this is a traditional peer-to-peer and distributed and really harmonized and po more integrated I think that’s might be the next research front here and for this community for both basic research
And also applied research SST like me and also I I fully agree I fully agree now I remember some some uh panel discussion some years back at I VNC vular networking conference when there was almost a fight between the cellular and the and the Wi-Fi based world now we
See more harmonization between between all the Technologies which I very much appreciate actually um so um I have another question and this is a tough one um uh for Uno actually so uh the sometimes from a from a from a researchers perspective we think of um
Uh this is a simple algorithm and um come on this this cannot be so so complicated but uh if it’s getting that really into the field might be super complicated uh and sometimes it’s exactly the opposite um any any sorts of that you have done a lot of uh field
Trials and and demos um uh any any things that comes to mind what is easy what is not so easy um thank you for that difficult question first of all the the putting that extra radio of regular Communications on the car is is a very difficult First Step um
In terms of the cost in terms of the initial benefits that it brings because like like someone said many years ago I think it was Professor schl it is like the fax machine when it first came out it was like okay I want to buy this new thing
But who am I going to send messages to if people are have F it’s the same scenario here but every car you put on the road with this extra functionality will help the roads become safer gradually it’s a slow process um that’s the first most difficult part
And this after that I think we will soon realize that there are many things that we want to do beyond the basic safety messages or cams already there’s a great deal of standardization uh like uh fan Sensei was alluding to the bandwidth is um will
Be a a crucial asset to be able to do what we want to do such as Cooperative perception such as Cooperative maneuver in um of course we need to be aware of the energy requirements of those radios and messages working all the time inside the car as we are moving towards more carbon
Neutrality or carbon conscious world we need to be thinking about those things uh and and just going randomly um coverage is still an issue um in most places um even where then the coverage is an issue so depending on an always connected thing um is still difficult so
So I’m also assuming that you will see satellites um whether the Geo satellites GE satellites coming into see um and we do have research one to and and we know that for safety reasons some autom I’ve already started putting some flat Brides on top of the car and the bottom of the if
Flips yeah so that’s a difficult question and my answers were random probably I left thought many many other difficult things to thank you thank you very much Uno and I I fully agree so so um we run through many of the problems that you mentioned already um because we
Also try to do field experiments uh so I know how hard many of these of these questions really are um I have one more that is probably even tougher um for now faler you talked a lot about standardization also let put let’s pick at least uh that we have
A few questions on from the audience let’s pick at least some of those otherwise I I I I agree age one quick one for still for f i I try to have this super fast super super um complicated question and then we go just for the for
The for the attendees no thank you and Marco will come to some of the audience question in a minute but give me the opportunity maybe just briefly comment but go it’s it’s it’s a wonderful question it’s a very relevant question at this time why there’s GE political context there’s a risk of
Fragmentation so it’s important that we openly discuss as to what the value of of global standards is and continues to be I think that’s comment number one uh when it comes to regulation uh linking into standards um I guess ultimately we in many cases we do not need government intervention let’s be
Clear standards should be industry driven yes absolutely we need to build on the strengths as we have had continue to have invested countries in particular right uh which is Market driven industry driven so summarizing also I continue to feel that standards are an enabler and why is that and maybe just to uh
Illustrate this with one more uh observation you know it starts out with research and then we kind of meet up discuss different approaches and hopefully agree on what the best technical approach is uh in a uh pre competive very open exchange and move that to standard that’s definitely still
The way 3gp operates we need to defend this we also need to make sure that not one uh economic uh area dominates everybody else I think we in the meantime this has been mitigated so standards matter industry driven Market driven and regulation can also be enabler but we need to stay away from
Over regulating with this Marco over to you for some the audience questions so FCO thank you uh yes thanks uh um we have a few questions uh I don’t know how much but uh let me go in order we have a question on what are the key security challenges for connected
Vehicles and uh well I think vuler was uh the one who touched on this topic so I don’t know if you want to expand on that yes I can briefly expand I think again a wonderful question security trust and privacy so so these are it’s a whole taxonomy of elements that relate
Especially also the automotive sector and um I guess the one area that probably I would highlight at this time and I Look To The Future now with digital twis coming up all kind of extended reality use cases and both Cooperative as well as safety oriented it’ll be very important to look at not
Just uh resilient connectivity but also assuring data integrity and privacy right and and I think one of the cool areas to be explored more I hinted at this before Marco is how we smartly uh deal with sensor data information from the car to the edge and uh as said
Some of the areas of research out of Babs no Babs include encryption homomorphic encryption this means you you work on data that kind of look like the original data but they are not or or multi-party compute means that you never share all the data with a single edge
Operator but with several of them and and these are just two elements to make this happen and last but not least let’s keep in mind one way to securitize whatever we do in unival make sure we tie this into Hardware so software only it always be zero trust means you need
To do a lot of monitoring but I think one of the elements to also provide security markco is to link into Hardware by means of trusted execution environment TR the platform modules and that again is a concept that cuts across including the cars themselves but holistically tackling the uh endtoend architecture if you
Like okay thank you very much uh one other question which could be quick I don’t know who of you wants to pick that up uh we had this question when we talk about uh low latency uh what values are we talking about well I can take that one is a 100
Traditionally Ru of some is a 100 millisecond is what a vehicle networking peer-to-peer cares about and from very almost 15 years ago when v2x BSM and 100 millisecond is a kind of a rule F you can receive the message from other vehicle within 100 millisecond and then
They can take that to the next computation and the disension cycle and so this kind of a rule for some 100 millisecond is a little bit kind of OB say that so practical engineer say okay can we really squeeze around 100 millisecond each so this is of course is end to end
So from from one vehicle to another vehicle yes and uh let me just by my own curiosity at one thing and what uh what loss probability could be tolerated since there is an intrinsic redundancy inside whatever messages are transmitted you mean the package operate yeah yeah I
That one is relative less well study but definitely is a you know if you look at all the past dsrc and the new VX standard and people really try to control that less than 1% and but it’s a little bit overshooting because the the redundancy kind of a per periodical
Broadcaster can handle much higher pack drop rate but really too place because this is a fundamentally is Mission critical system engineer and have the tendency to be very conservative that’s why like a2.1 standard and new Civ standard really try to shoot for this 1% less than 1% P job in in
Deployment okay thank you very much much then on the chat I have one more question for foler uh what is the situation with Road operators regarding their preferred Wireless Technologies yeah I think in increasingly Road operators are aware that indeed 4G LTE 5G uh other Technologies of choice what I think
Marco and whoever the gentleman or lady was who asked the question what’s kind of still holding us back I guess is is the speed of roll out and and the network effect I think we discussed some of this earlier but I’m confident we are confident okay ultimately it will happen
Uh but the technology Choice per se now you’ve seen the statistics in terms of uptake v2x overall data set from one of the analysts so I think there we are fairly clear and that that actually is is good news um however having said this coming back to Frank Falco’s question we
Should still argue for technology neutrality we don’t need government intervention but clearly at this time Marco fundamental choices have been made and Road operators are aware that’s how I would summarize the current situation okay thank you very much uh they are calling uh us uh uh to order
Because the time is restricted to 1 hour we are already a few minutes over so let me uh thank again very much our speakers I think this has been very interesting very informative uh and uh let me thank Falco who did most of the work in organizing this uh I would like to
Mention uh extremely briefly the fact that as you probably know uh these events of the networking channel have uh a two week uh periodicity and the next event is going to be in two weeks uh very interesting topic which is are we leaving the long awaited AI Revolution for networking
With generative AI so if you’re interested in Ai and networking uh uh please uh plan to attend uh to attend the next uh the next meeting uh it’s organized by mat Cesar from Illinois and the kot speaker is uh again we try also to have to always have very
Very wellknown people and is janier basur from Cisco so with this thanks very much everybody uh thanks uh to Falco thanks to the speakers thank to the audience uh without the audience this is meaningless so thanks for joining and I hope we’ll see you next time at the next event of
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