This week, the RM Sotheby’s team chat through some of the cars they would buy at different price points. Listen to their choices from affordable modern classics to the exotic dream cars they can’t afford! And, special guest Bertie the Wheaten Terrier returns.
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Hello everyone welcome to another episode of RM s’s car show and we are sitting here in this uh glorious little Library River temps over my shoulder through the window there and uh we’re going to just chat about some well what are we going to chat about chaps we’re
Just going to talk nonsense aren’t we for now because that is the nature of the RM Southern bis car show we’re just going to talk nonsense and hope that people are interested uh so I’m joined by uh car Specialists Will Smith and Michael Squire and uh so thanks for
Coming J pleasure thanks for uh Michael’s moaning already because he’s nearly finished his coffee in fact have you finished it Michael have yeah yeah uh would you like to send your your lad there to go and get you nearly Premier to um um so what we thought that
We would play a little bit of a game today you know that like if I win the lottery at the weekend type of thing that you talk to your mates at the pub about I you’re like if I W if I won two million what would I do with it if I won
Five million or if I in fact in my case if I won I don’t know for won 500 quid I I fantasize about what I might do with that um so we’re just going to we’re going to consider what we would buy at three different prices points if
Somebody get put some bundles of cash in our hands and said you got to spend it by the end of the week and this is just personal choices for us so these are personal choices I don’t think you have to worry about um investment potential I don’t think you need to worry about
Whether it’s going to be worth more or less in 10 years from now just because you want it okay yeah yeah boss fast so our three price points are £50,000 still a considerable sum Jam um £500,000 okay quite chunky and then we’re going to go 5
Million okay that’s a good win which is properly chunky that’s a good win that’s Euro million that’s EUR that’s Euro it’s not a rollover week though that’s not that’s like 30 million that’s put you know but it’s it’s a good win solid yeah you you’ve unfortunately shared it with
Someone else haven’t you yeah someone else has got the same numbers yeah you’re never going to win it again no no I know sad is that so J um fantasizing about winning the Lotter is one thing but uh do you actually play the lottery because if you don’t if you’re not in it
What that is the catch phras isn’t it you got to be in it to win it I I do play it and Peter wman says that as a result I’ve got a gambling addiction think it’s a bit of a stretch well I mean are you spending two a week or are
You spending 2020 a week cuz I’ve uh cuz I’m completely Naf I only buy a ticket if it’s a big amount and stupid well this is the thing with the lery isn’t it I don’t play it but and well and and and no no neither to well apart like I have
Occasionally I I think I got rejected by the app right I failed their their pre-checks or something their kyc checks I no I just tried to do it and it was just more complicated than I wanted it to be and then I just thought okay fine
I’m not going to win the lottery if you don’t want me to win the lottery fine that mug dis did go down well with that out of touch that I didn’t even know there was an app but you made a very good point mhm So you you’re looking at
The lottery and it’s the the you know the national lottery you’re saying this week’s jackpot is 2 million he’s not even playing for 2 million because because for Michael Squire it’s not enough if it’s 20 million he’s up for it investment you got the odds of
Winning and then you know your two quid ticket so you may as well play for the big ones well if you won 2 million it’s still two quid quite well spent wouldn’t you say y your chance of winning that the minimum oh this is but listen we have won 20
Million this is the point we’ve won 20 million we’re going out we’re going buy some cars uh yeah although well yes we are yes we are all you’re allowed to spend though is you can spend 500 uh no 5 million £550,000 is your cealing limit on these three cars uh but
Let we so £50,000 you got £50,000 to spend I’m going to start with you will what are you buying I am going back to a car that my dad had for a short period of time when I was about four years old I think someone had stolen his BMW m535
Whilst he was on a test drive actually he did the old trick of driving let’s do a swap over okay my dad got out the car the guy on the test drive jumped over and drove up in his car y kidding me no seriously it was an m535 and at the time
This guy then shot off up the M1 and my dad had obviously called the the flying Squad who Who had who had arrived on mass in their Rover V8s or whatever he have direct lines fly I think he might and anyway they chased this guy up the
M1 and he they couldn’t catch him and he ended up uh abandoning the car in a pub because he thought this is a bit of a pointless task um they found and recovered his car but I think he crashed it or or like the wheel had been bent in
Or something had happened to it anyway the car went off my dad got as a replacement an m635 which was totally impractical for the four children the three children that he had at the time but he he managed and and we had this red m635
There’s pictures of me in the back of it when I was a kid and ever since then I always thought that was a great successor to the three ler CSL and it has that sort of pillarless I I saw one once about 10 years ago that was just a perfect
Example all original pain 50,000 Mi it was white with black um and it was it just struck me as a beautiful rad car and they went up quite significantly in value about 5 years ago but have kind of dropped back a little bit and I think
For 50 Grand you can still pick up a really good m635 and yeah elegant Coupe longdistance touring ability big boot four seats love two and a half suat well yeah you know two plus two sort of you’re not sitting in the back of an I would say I would I
Wouldn’t have a chance I probably am you in a in one of in a Char seat you’d have plenty of space good choice and but I what I’m just going to say is for the benefit of anyone that may hear a dog scratching in this podcast or
Potentially see some fur light like a rug on the floor that’s Bertie Bertie is a wheat and Terrier special guest and uh he’s coming up 9 years old he’s quite lazy sleeps a lot and he’s lying on the floor yeah so he may he may stroll around at some point and therefore it
Sounds like your normal day in the office uh have a scratch have a snooze make a coffee go home that’s Mar that’s marketing for you um right uh so a 635 an M 635 guts to be the m c i yeah nice cars and so rarely seen on the road these days quite
Rare they made about 500 of them I think UK cars um and yeah you do not see them for love not money no no I get excited when I see a 635 of any description uh Michael 50 Grand uh do you know what weirdly exactly the same thing that you’ve just
Done what yeah not no not 655 a car from your childhood okay which is uh uh my dad because he’s a he’s a fan of rallying and a and a massive chav he had an evo6 from new he still got it and um that would are they 50 Grand a
Really good one that’s not been messed around yeah probably is a Tommy mckin and Edition they can be over they really really good if they if you got one which hasn’t been modded at all I’ve never driven one I’ve done the Subaru thing but I’ve never done the MIT yeah Subaru
Are the fashional ones aren’t they cuz the whole colum m c thing whereas um yeah it was that car we just did so many track days with and it it’s just mesmerizing and absolutely love it to bits and they’re just yeah they do everything and they get you out of so
Much trouble that’s cool and yeah I love they when I was a journalist that was a brand new car and um we got one from uh rally art they sent a car that it was is that the Silver press car I think it was white okay I think it was white with red
Bits on it that I think it was that’s a mckin car isn’t it white and red they were nor red or red the Ry Sprint was was a white um definitely white but I we were doing oh it’s all a bit of a blur now but we were doing one of our typical
Things at auto car driving down through France and we had a skylight we had an R32 mhm an evo6 and an impressa an an rb5 It was okay anyway I was driving the MIT bishy now you will might be able to stand Testament to this they have an
Insanely small fuel tank capacity do yeah and I the fuel gauge it doesn’t isn’t linear so it goes down a little bit and you think God this is economic and then suddenly it just goes bang well but if you drive it hard because in those days you could drive through
France basically flat out no nobody cared uh and um no no AutoCast journalists just thought they could because they thought they had a pass for just driving like idiots the entire time well you you should you should watch the videos made by the journalists on Fast
Bike Magazine from that era oh my god um they literally wheelied to can from c um if you drive an evo6 really far like if you put it on an auto route and just like hammer it you you only get about 130 mil from the tank of fuel so if you
If you’re driving the south of France you sto for fuel about eight times but they’re not really about motor cruising are they they’re like point to point are Mega in the wet in the mud um they have something called active your control can you explain to me what on Earth that is
So do you remember when Ferrari brought out the V of speciali and they and everyone was really excited by this idea that it you could drift it and it would sort of help you hold the drift and keep it all under control that’s what mitubishi had done sort of 15 years
Beforehand okay and how does it work um I think it uses it’s got obviously sensors and obviously there all the four-wheel drive diffs and stuff but it’s um I think it genuinely just uses break the brakes to um as to how the power’s being applied but it is just I
Mean you can get into so much trouble in one of those on a you know on a track day and it just that ENT your control just saves you completely it is it is amazing I always thought in fact I wrote an article about this once is that
Those Bonkers sort of WRC derived cars um from back in the ’90s they were relatively affordable to ordinary people and they were just so good I mean clever and they inspired so you were able to just go so fast in them but it was like they were inappropriate rely fast and and because
You if you take something like an EVO 6 on a if you’re on a country B Road you’re going from point A to point B you begin to think you’re Invincible because the car is you know you you just think I I don’t even have to slow down for this
Corner this car’s so good yeah and of course when it all goes wrong it goes wrong in such a spectacular way and it’s do you know about that well no I don’t I that’s one of the few cars I haven’t crashed uh will um but it it it
Insurance company but they are ABS but but they they they were sort of borderline irresponsible for public you know it’s a bit it’s a bit like passing your bike test they’re quite yobby and you go and buy a Fire Blade yeah yeah yeah you know when you’re 18 an EVO 6
Would do 4.4 to 60 yeah which in 2000 with with and obviously that’s not with5 off the line yeah completely yeah and across country they were unbeatable yeah I mean I remember um uh being a passenger with Dad we’re going to see trucks and British GT in like 2002 or
Something we ended up having a race with a a brand new Suzuki GSX I think it was a 1000r I mean the and the guy I mean the guy on the bike was nuts but we were doing you know stupid speeds and that was sary planes it was and it was just
Flying across it all the bumps it just didn’t didn’t notice any of it it was amazing love it just yeah they’re super super things I I would guarantee that if you took a twisty Country Road point A to point B and you had a a GT3 RS
9911 and an evo6 I I I I’m pretty sure you get that quicker in the Evo yeah yeah it’s and it’s it’s super confidence inspiring as well you do feel like you can literally achieve anything in it which is I guess a little bit dangerous but it is they are they are
Mesmerizingly good and and you just the technology in there is just years ahead of what people are do in Europe Japanese cars for you I the paint and the yeah they’re just fantastic but I also think with Japanese cars of that era and I haven’t driven a sort of a modern
Skyline I always used to think it was a bit like driving um an amstrad Hi-Fi um it was like especially especially the skyline you’d get in and there’d be all these like little like LED lights and it do do you remember watching The Cannonball Run of course right do you
Remember the Japanese crew in that whatever ja was Jack and and and the car just used to like go I love that car yeah well it was they’re a bit like that aren’t they it’s like o I don’t know what any of this does don’t press any buttons well the
Beauty of the evo6 is that the interior is exactly the same they use the same interior for like a cult so you’d walk past a six grand cult and you look inside it looked I couldn’t get my head around it why it looked exactly the same with my dad’s E6 everything was this
Wonderfully rubbish plastic yeah quite durable though long incredbly there’s something endearing about rubbish plastic it’s very I think it’s it’s very OB its era and it and it today you know you get in one a subar or a mitch bishu that has that crappy plastic but it
Actually stands at test of time very well so it’s done better than Ferrari 550 M Interiors yeah everything Ferrar are full of crappy plastic oh my God yeah what’s your choice Peter come on um okay so I was originally going to go for an alpha duetto spider okay because I just
Think that there is something Timeless and beautiful and it’s got a great engine about DUS Robson yeah yeah D yeah yeah yeah something about my you know PCH on for older women perhaps as well and uh uh but no um I think that you know I remember us
Being at samitz and we had um uh we had that collection including a really nice duetto and I remember thinking that for that’s all the car you need it’s stylish yeah it’s got all the Italian but you’re you’re building this up as if that’s not your choice yeah I’m going to shut up
About that right because I feel Duty bound to choose a catm seven okay great so kind kind of you know 50 Grand buys you quite a lot of that buy pretty much whatever get you the best Bas um and they are well you get well I’m a okay so
I as you know I used to work for katum when I was very young and of course it was a completely different world then so you had old crossflow engines and we had the Rober K series and um the voxal 2 ler um and then I and then when I left
The company everything started changing and they started using Ford engines and they’ve all they’ve got they’ve got lots they started making lots of money and they yeah they made more money when I cring salary um no it was number of cars like crashed not
My um but they so I’m a so if you kind of ask me to identify a car off the current price list I’d struggle a bit but I think any so back in my day you could buy a 1600k series um K series Being for the Benefit
Of the listeners uh it’s a Rover engine which was also used in eles and exes and um the much loved uh ftype um MGF sorry uh not ftype um and various other and various other cars but but but it is an engine that you can actually extract
Quite a lot of power from and it’s very light it’s all aluminium and they do love to occasionally grenade themselves they do when they push too far well you ideally you don’t want to put a Cas Series in the back in the back of a
Car if you’ve got it in the front where it can cool properly okay gaskets all that kind of ISS yeah in in a I mean I raced K series engines for years and they actually rarely had an engine let go but a six-speed gearbox yeah you can
Get what they call WID track front suspension on a katrum so it just gives it a bit more overall stability and tur in and everything and uh yeah and just take as much waste out of it as you can those cars are just you get no there no
Brownie P points for looking cool in a cat room because you just look like an idiot uh you know you’re sitting on a roller skate and you know um on the floor yeah like but they are they it Remains the purest Driving Experience that you can have I kind of agree with
You annoyingly we had one when I was about 14 15 and we built it in in the garage and then we took it to K and they were like what have you done like I think it spent two weeks there rectifi buing the mistakes that we made but it
Was still really rewarding process and then we drove it my brother was I think he recently got his license and somehow managed to get in short on it and he just just everywhere he drove that car as as if he’d stolen it and roundabouts and multiple police incidents where they
Pulled him over but I I loved it it it was it was just like a little go-kart and and it was a road sport 140 which is a slightly wider chassis yeah with the 140 case series engine and it was just brilliant it was absolutely brilliant
And we sold it for I think what we paid for it which is the amazing thing about KS they hold value they hold their value so well yeah yeah they they really especially if you build a kit because because you’re buying you’re paying less up front because you putting the labor
In and then two years later you you’re quids in um I mean I I pre-marriage pre kids I was driving one every day it was my only car you know PE people say oh you can’t own a katum and you can’t live with a to them it’s like well I I I did
For five years I mean I I go to the supermarket in I mean in everything yeah they’re quite practical actually they they can be practical you can get more in it than you think you can get in it are they you be surprised I’ve done a long
Weekend in a CSR 260 a couple of times and and it really is a case of you know a pair of pants in a sponge bag was it a long weekend or a dirty weekend or was it long and dirty by the time I by the time we done the
Torrential R it was it was a Del one but you see people who Cs and they stack up their tents and stuff on the back it depends how much yeah they got the bags that they put on the you know it’s like a motorbik you know it depends how much
Stuff you bolt on the back I drove K I’ve driven a katrum from the UK uh two big trips I I went to an international rally in Sam Ritz drove it there drove it back uh and I’ve driven one to Barcelona as well wow wow yeah get you I
Know and the one I drove to Barcelona didn’t have a wind screen just had actually my f one of my favorite ever KS I’ve never ever seen ever they did like in the ’90s Andrew Frankle did a book about supercars and in it was the K7 and
Was it the JP JP Jonathan Palmer JP Edition which had no wi screen and was like a rocket ship 200 horsepower um well it was two so you remember the the the John clander voxal touring cars those engines were built by a a company called swinden engineering okay and the
JP essentially had the touring car spec 250 horsepower Vox all 2 L engine no wonder you don’t see them then I I I have never seen they there they weren’t well the thing was we’re talking about a 50 Grand budget I think that car came out in 1992 it was £60,000
Okay and it had so it was a lot of money but that the engine was about 15 grand out of out of its crate so that and and there was a lot of carbon where are have you I haven’t seen any a a lot went in those days kum’s biggest export Market
Was Japan and and a lot of them went to Japan because the Japanese buyers that at that time had a lot of money and they were prepared it’s now Japanese owned isn’t it kater yeah I think it is isn’t it yeah it’s now Japanese a yeah yeah awesome anyway awesome car anyway so
There we goes car um we’ve done our 50 Grand all good choices by the way very controversial no one’s really no no your is very very sensible I feel like Evo SE cater them is uh on the more antisocial scale of things yeah they’re not family casts but well well especially mine yeah
You can drift a 635 quite easily fighting yeah um an evo6 is a family car actually it is it is it is it is it is no that’s fair um okay we are considerably upping the anti here guys I mean we’re not just going to 100 or 200,000 we’re going to half a
Million which is about the average value of what we sell in this company isn’t it per year which which is about the average transaction price of a of a car that we put through auction um which is uh not in uh in what’s the word I’m looking for insignificant that’s the
Word I was looking for um you can buy you I live in West Sussex you can buy quite a nice house for 500,000 in West Sussex for sure which is infinitely more useful than a £500,000 car I think you’re fine is he sponsored by saos or something what’s going on sponsored by
Night Frank okay um 500,000 right go on then Will Smith uh I’m going to go racing car because that’s kind of the ultimate way to get your kicks in a car I think um and I’m going to go touring car Circa Pro Drive 1992 E30
M3 that to me if that was in my garage I’d look at it every day and be like I just want to drive it and it yeah that’s the era when I was growing up and you know it’s very evocative but I’ve got another BMW actually it’s a bit boring
But anyway E30 M3 the pro drive one like it just stuck in my head at the time Tim Harvey um was one of the drivers at the time and soapa was it soapa or was it wink sit sit definitely drove BMWs in the day but I don’t know if he drove pro drive
But anyway that car it could do well in that iteration it just I think strikes me as one of the purest touring cars out there and there’s so many historic kind of events now that you can do with them and yeah they ran at Spar 24 hours they you know
Obviously touring cars both here and in Germany all over Europe and hill climbs you know just such a versatile racing car um and for half a million I reckon you can buy a pretty good one vable that’s a nice choice I I I knew
You were I I knew this was all going to be about BMW With You Will Smith I knew it although I’m now trying to ponder what your 5 million pound BMW that’s not a BMW 3 to8 millillion maybe no no uh okay all right um no good choice um
I’m I’m not I’m not going to jump ahead of Michael but I think you know I think my garage is going to need a racing car so I’m sort of with you on that okay um okay then Michael Squad I’ve exhausted racing from my life I haven’t you’re
Extinguishing racing from your it’s I the problem is with buying race cars is that um you know their usability is you have to be really committed to it and you know so I think but with my lottery when I just bought a house and a racetrack next to my house okay fair
Enough yeah yeah you’re like Jack set you you got 20 million this is a 20 million quid win you don’t don’t don’t worry about maintaining your racing c yeah that is very true yeah okay maybe I’ve mess messed that up anyway um I was going to be really I I shouldn’t say
This was going to be boring actually buying a 27 RS touring isn’t boring at all um but I do love them but I think actually be a Lano Stratos oh oh they are just do you fit in one of those they are I do just they are they are just all things
And Baton design the history of the Rally Championship how the car came into being um they sound amazing look amazing they just do everything I remember I remember incredible yeah I remember sort I sort of remember them in periods because I’m I’m I’m sort of just about
Old enough I they um they look like UFOs didn’t they they look like it look like the only thing that you can um sort of see similar ities I know this is a bit of a stretch when you look at like the doors and and the way that the sort
Of clams are done um they’re not massively dissimilar to a mura m and they’re pretty much designed by the same guy yeah so it’s it’s a sort of to me I me I’m obsessed with muras um they’re like a a fiberglass miniature mura in a
Way and you know V6 not a V12 and you know it’s just and the whole history of how I mean they are the they are the only time that someone has built a car sorry at the time there was the only time that someone had built a car just
Go rallying that was they were they were simply the homologation special really yeah you know and obviously Group B came along but before that all rally cars were essentially family Coupes and saloons that been then you know group forward into becoming something to win the World Rally Championship whereas
That was just like incredibly do do dominant sorry and anatalia colors I just everything it sounds amazing they yeah they’re amazing so they they’re for me yeah statos road going one is what you’d have yeah yeah you wouldn’t get close to having a good group four with uh with half a million
Unfortunately yeah group four would be fantastic but but yeah yeah a nice you could would you need to pay for a group four Massy depends on the car but you could for a decent Privateer you’re probably looking at I don’t know probably about a million Eur and then
For a Works car well above that so it’s but they the thing is a lot of the rally cars have quite convoluted histories um really rally cars I know it’s amazing isn’t it um there’s definitely one Italian dealer that used the same number plates uh on about four different cars
Claiming them all to be one car so um yeah it’s it’s you know they’re super things I mean you look at like the history of the checker flag cars you know one car gets crashed heavily the next car gets burnt to the ground you know I think there were there were three
Sl4 in the end checker flag strates so it’s but yeah that’s just amazing things so yeah I’d have one of those very good good choice good choice well I’m on reflection having rolled with the katrum as my as my 50 Grand Choice um again a
Little bit like you well I it feels like I’m sort of following a bit of a theme here and I don’t I didn’t want it to be that way but I’m going to go for a Lotus 15 which is might might actually struggle at 500 Grand but it’s going to depend on the
Car well one of those sort of you know storied cars with you know four different chassis numbers you probably could get into one I I yeah I I think you’d be the unpopular guy on the grid who insists on having a 2.5 wouldn’t you yeah yeah everyone else like I’ll run a
2 ler and you just be like I’m going win him and however I have to do that you’re compens yeah it won’t be through Talent it will be through cheating and but um so Lotus 15 because I love 50s sports racing cars and I can’t afford a dtype or a c
Type can’t afford a proper list um I in fact I can’t afford most things on the grid the thing about a Lotus 15 is that it’s it’s a race winning car potentially um well demonstrably they are and um you can mix it with much much more valuable machine yeah I mean
How often is a Lotus 15 one at Goodwood or or being top amazingly Plucky yeah I mean it’s typical Lotus it’s uh it it it’s it’s 500 odd kilos of weight um with a a twin cam commentary climax engine brilliant engines quite delicate but anyway I mean you got to I mean the
Thing is with a Lotus 15 you might win assuming you finish but but there’s a good chance you might not finish but they are amazing in term as a value proposition to get on some really good grids in historic racing they’re actually they’re hard to beat and they
Look great as well they do great um so um yeah I’m sort of banging a bit of a Colin Chapman drum here at the moment but um uh that would be my choice you’re a great fun down a pub aren’t you well Colin Chapman who’s the
Best well he was we could do a podcast on we could yeah he he is amazing I’m not I’m not taking away from that at all he is amazing we ought to do a a a a podcast on Colin Chapman he is um we can get into Deloreans and all sorts of things
Can’t we um anyway moving on um now we’re get we’re getting to the big Bock uh yeah we get into the big box up to five we’ve got up to five it’s important to say you don’t have to spend five you can put some you can save some money for
A a meal deal yeah or something like that um tank of fuel even be helpful wouldn’t it last time I bought a car classic car from a dealer no fuel there’s no fuel in it I mean it was outrageous had to go to the nearest petrol station to go and fill it
Up um so Will Smith 5 million quid wow there’s obviously a lot going on in my head right now for 5 million quid but I don’t actually think I’d need to spend it because I would go with another racing car effectively but one that perhaps you could use on the
Road you could do Road rallies in and it would be a Porsche 3 l rsr because that iteration and that evolution of that normally aspirated 3 l Porsche is kind of the ultimate of of its era they then went into turbocharging very quickly after after that and so as a consequence I
Think you know the rsr is like the the the evo3 the ultimate evolution of of the 911 as a normally aspirated racing car also you know hugely dominant in track hill climbs you know yeah anything it applied itself to and I once drove well no I did drive drive one many many
Years ago and parked it and the noise just stuck with me in my mind um I’ve driven a few on simulators of of late my friend’s got a great game um which steering wheel it’s so nerdy honestly and my go-to car on that game is through L rsr round the nerur ring
I’m in heaven I’m absolutely in heaven so you’re buying you’re spending 5 million quid off the back of a simulator Drive yeah basically basically but I don’t think I’d have to spend $5 million we should do this in our auctions should have a simulator sat there and then the
Car is amazing to drive and then they get it home and they’re like oh God should just bought the simulator um no I would I would yeah I I would I would think you could buy a great three ler rsr for about three three and a half 4
Million like like incredible history you know it won that race it won this race it’s totally original it’s never been bashed or crashed that’s kind of up there for me um as like a pure versatile driving machine like yeah and it’s a Porsche so it’s probably going to work
And whilst it’s relatively expensive to maintain they they tend not to break as much as other racing cars um so yeah 3 L rsr for me very good choice I mean you’re a fan of those aren’t you as well Squad yeah like n a lot yeah not sure
I’d go for an RS I think I’d be an RS just cuz I think the RS is just amazing but yeah uh okay so Michael um where did that dog come from uh I don’t know teleported from somewhere in West ssex um yeah well he doesn’t sit that nicely
Next to me m I’m he looks like his owner um does look like his owner which uh poor berti yeah I know he’s uh it’s yeah something is it’s a burden um so you got uh5 million to spend I mean you probably have got5 million to spend I mean um will and I
Are just fantasizing about it but I mean I mean you you probably have I’ll put you through to my Matt West graduate accounts bank manager every time I go down to the car park another new car bought by m um how are you going to spend your five million um you I was
Originally thinking about a 4 cam 275 4 cam but and they are I really I mean they’re amazing to drive and I really I do think they are like the ultimate I mean short wheelbases and stuff like that aside but they really are the ultimate Ferrari GT car but it have to
Be a d type I absolutely love jagu D types and I think they’re just they’re revolutionary they look amazing they sound amazing they drive amazingly they’re just yeah they’re everything and they full a bit by the wayside in recent years like why do you think that is um I
Think it’s it’s really simple no one gets to really see them anymore you don’t see them at race meetings you don’t tend to see them much at concour you might see them if you’re lucky enough to I don’t know do the Colorado Grand or something you might see them
There um but yeah they they you know they they bu they’re not I mean they are rare cars for sure um but you know they should be seen more regularly and that’s nothing against the owners of them at all um you they are very valuable cars
But uh but you know you’re you’re not going to race an original D type on on track if you know there are there are Recreations on there so but that’s that’s a different different subject are you going are you going long nose short nose uh you you won’t get a good long
Nose for five so um that’s quite quite somewhere above um so uh yeah it’ have to be a really nice production short name I I’m going to get really into detail now I want an appendix c car with a full wind screen and yeah cuz it’s
Basically like an X KS but without the gigantic price tag yeah so um yeah they they’re just they’re super things and they they won so much stuff and they’re like the ultimate sort of sports i’ rather have one than x KSS anyway yeah personally yes yeah I I kind of cuz the
XK has it’s got they got no historical they don’t tend to have the race histories a lot of them did race in Seca um but yeah like a great D type you know they used to speak to Pete blonde about his car um you know he’d
Just drive it to race meetings in fact he did he you know actually had a little crashing it and his car on the way to seston um you know he that’s it’s just the way it was and then he go off and racing the gber TT you know and that’s
You know you don’t get cars like that nowadays no no so it’s they are it’s the automotive equivalent of a Spitfire plane in% yeah the way the DS are the way switch gear it’s just yeah they’re magnificent so and it is a proper cockpit isn’t it you know and you
Get into one you lower yourself really it’s an occasion you know you really you know every single time you feel like you’re sort of sliding yourself into a glove or something amazing one of the problems is that D types a bit like original cobras and drive one to the pub
It’s like oh not mate nice replica yeah you know I don’t mind that if I owned one if I if you see one on the if one if a d type passes you in the other D well I mean the percentage chances of it being a copy are of course
Much higher than it being an original but it’s your assumption anyway isn’t it exactly and and if I rocked up in an original DET and someone went nice replica i’ just be like brilliant yeah I I’d like I’d like the satisfaction that people think come driving a proteus or a
Lynx or something like that and actually I’ve got a real one but I don’t need to tell anyone about it or shout about it it’s just if you know you know yeah I once took my Lotus 11 to a Rolling Road and the bloke said oh is that a
Westfield almost that’s where Lotus offenders I threw a spanner at Lotus owners get really offended is your car Westfield well he wasn’t laughing after he got hit on the head by that spanner no anyway um uh good choice Michael yeah let’s see things I can’t have a Lotus 15 and a d
Type though can I though I mean that’s just you could I could I could now I’m I’ll tell you what I’m going for I’m I’m going for a comp dat owner oh that’s a fantastic choice would you get him for 5 million quid though well I would think you’re
Stretching it but yeah you might you might you might get an independent comp you would you would get an independent I’d get an independent and some of those did an amazing amount of racing yeah again they were like the ultimate GT race car the time actually you’d be on
The grid with me and my 3 l rsr we’d be on the same grids wouldn’t we in in the probably one of the best sounding cars ever yeah they’re amazing on on the pipes that you get on a comp day tainer just amazing yeah and they just look
Cool and you can drive it to the pub you it it it’s one of those cars it does almost oh you know it’s it’s exactly the case that you put forward for the for the Porsche um yeah I I I just they they do something for me which and I just think
A lot of it’s about the sound actually but they’re just they’re just such great cars and they’re very very effective as well you’ve driven a couple haven’t you yeah they I mean the noise is just unbelievable it really is just when you think you you look down at the Rev coun
You think God I must be near the red light the noise is just insane and you realize you got another 3,000 RPM to go you know it’s they’re they’re amazing they are the best thing is you know Christian H did this book about them and it’s Race
By race and they only Built 15 of the of the series of factory cars there were a couple of prototypes and stuff and they’re independent cars but it’s the same car appearing at Daytona every year MH you know wow and so all of their histories just like you know they raced for
I think they were sort of I think when the the guy came second at Daytona I think it was I think it was like 81 or something like that think how many cars are racing for that long at the top of their fi it just doesn’t happen like you
Know they’re just they’re Mega they’re absolutely Mega love them to bits they’re great choice slightly annoyed now so can’t they a d type and an rsr that’s that’s a good three car garage isn’t it quite cool but all very racing orientated we haven’t gone like kind of
Concore pre-war deaz or you know we I’m I’m actually annoyed with myself that I haven’t I haven’t chosen a pre-wall car I thought yeah I thought you were going to go for a buetti instead of 35 beer or 51 yeah yeah I think I think a 50 a 51
You know just cuz I’m greedy and want a twin cam I I you know a good 51 would be up there totally yeah yeah I agree um yeah I I mean yeah okay yeah I don’t know I mean there’s so many car there are so many cars aren’t there yeah I
Mean if you ask me tomorrow what my choice would be probably completely different but today I just felt like BMW’s and por German it’s quite I think it’s important that our listeners appreciate that we do no prep for these podcasts at all do we zero we do zero prep
So we haven’t really thought about this at all until you tell me this morning this is what we’re yeah uh that’s a bit of an admission isn’t it that’s fine because we’re meant to be informing people with well-considered views yeah but then they won’t get our like actual views they’ll get some
Pre-prepared that we’ve spouted out and and prep the thing is marketing department written up exactly there’s a press release to read out on the podcast yeah well yes I know if I was doing my job properly we would have chosen cars from an upcoming auction uh yes but uh
But no you’re absolutely right we we’ve got a 3 l RS it’s not an rsr but it’s a 3 lit RS in coming up in um Houston we do I’ll have you know great great thing they are amazing when you consider you compare them against 2.7 RS 27 RS um
Touring was it 1380 or something yeah um and a 3 l RS is 55 yeah like in Rarity terms it’s unbeatable they they’re just they’re Mega things it’s interesting isn’t it that we haven’t gone for none of us have gone very modern have well well okay well you I mean e
E30 modernish but but but um I would have thought you would have gone for like a kernig’s egg modded by mansuri or something like that I’d love that yeah I’d love that that’s your sort of your Vibe uh it is it is I mean especially in West in West Sussex Villages it’s how
You you know if you really want to get some respect you know for listeners that can’t see Peter haes he’s actually covered in in piercings and tattoos um yes um I won’t show you my piercings um but the um uh I mean like nobody’s nobody’s sort of gone for an F50 or or
Or they are f50s are amazing as F50 GT would be a good a good car you wouldn’t get one for 5on you wouldn’t you wouldn’t even get close you wouldn’t yeah there’s only three of them isn’t there yeah um maybe an F40 an F40 GT GT yeah yep again there
There’s one coming up very soon but by the time this podcast comes out um it probably would have gone through um yeah super things there’s so much we could we could talk like we could go off on so many tangents and talk and and apply this to so many different eras and cars
And yeah the one thing of course that’s worth saying is that our 20 million lottery win last Saturday night none of us us are buying the 250 GTO that we’re going to be selling uh in New York in uh very shortly well you wouldn’t be able to oh you could Finance you could
Finance it you’d have to yeah yeah you get close no no no that’s what I mean we we can’t we can’t in fact if you if all three of us won 20 million and pulled all of our money probably still could yeah it’s still questionable potentially
I don’t know it’s interesting uh as the Pedic Revival and um uh I was chatting with a friend next to the white um exra on kum’s GTO and a friend of his came over and he said to him have you ever driven one of these and he said yeah I
Have it’s like is actually you know there’s all the hype in the price tag and everything he actually that good and he said yeah yeah he said it is the best car he’s ever driven and he’s this is a guy who’s driven like Formula 1 cars all
Through the it ages GT cars p66 GT 1970s 1950s stuff pre-war he’s driven everything and he said that GTO he hadn’t driven that particular one but he said a GTO is like is the absolute G have you of course you um I I I drove a
Serus too yeah yeah the one that we’ sold 2010 was it is it that long ago it probably is we sold another one in 2018 of course for a world record and I sat in that car for many many many minutes after the auction we were you sat in it
For many minutes I did bit of a private moment it was a private moment actually and there’s picture evidence of it and I did you talk about this at dinner party we just sold it for a world we just my wife does not know this happen but no uh
We just sold it for a world record and we’re down in the garages having a beer after the auction and it was probably quite late or early in the morning and it was just amazing just to sit in it and be around it and to sort of I fit
You driving position was lovely the gearbox was like there like kind of mod like touring car spec you know right next to the wheel and just just to spend time with one if you ever if anyone has the opportunity or just to be around one
Is very special it is it is a car that lives up to the hype um well jent that’s been fascinating do you think our listeners have been fascinated by this only by Bertie the dog yeah for those watching the appearance of berti was probably almost certainly the highlight of this podcast for sure
Usually people who are in my presence not interested in what I’m saying so if they’re not they’re remote it’s probably less so not your wife not your parents ex none of your friends y but anyway that’s uh that’s the nature of podcasting we just have a complete blank
Canvas we can just you know bore people to death um so thank you very much that’s been great thank you very much for your uh your your your choices [Applause]