Cycling News Article: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/one-cycling-on-thin-ice-as-tour-de-france-worldtour-teams-split-on-dollar270-million-project/
Arma Products: https://armasport.com
Use code “horner20” at checkout
FasCat Coaching:
-Use code “FOMHORNER” for a 25% discount on all YEARLY plans
Optimize Training Plans and Coaching Subscription
Merchandise, event info, and more: https://hornercyclingfoundation.com
Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/chrishorner
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/hornerakg
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hornerakg
Filmed and edited by Garrett Horner
Garrett’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/garrett.horner
Garrett’s TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@garrett.horner?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc
Garrett’s YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFh0qOM-Z5R-wQNqR3ydWyQ
Welcome to beyond the coverage I’m Chris horer in today’s edition I want to cover what a lot of you guys might have been hearing about in the cycling web pages and of course reading a ton about when you’re looking over at cycling news and you’re seeing all these articles about
This one cycling project now from everything I’ve read it looks like there’s eight cycling teams involved and maybe some of the organizers out there are trying to get a little bit invested in it too but we’re talking about trying to raise enough money where they can put together their own calendar the problem
Is when you start looking at things this way is it’s going to change the calendar the way that we have seen it now they talk about bringing in a bunch of the favorites and forcing all the Top Guns to really be at the same event at the
Same time I don’t really know if I need that in my life at this moment the cycling history over the European pelaton it has a flow that I’m used to right you start beginning the season at Perry trino adriatico you have races like Strate bian that’s gaining a lot of
Popularity and then you start really getting into the classics with Milan Ramo of course Perry Ru the GC guys over doing the bass country and then of course we have that buildup all the way into June and then once June finishes we got the tour to France that starts the
Big main Beall endall bike race when we’re talking about the world of cycling now what are they’re talking about is changing the calendar and making it where you have all the best Riders racing at the same events all the time I don’t know if I need that I mean we
Start looking at last year’s season I kind of enjoyed seeing Primos rogach go over to the jro de TI and win over there and of course he had to go against rim coiple for the first 10 stages there until Rim kapool left with Co but he
Still had a great battle of course with garrant Thomas who held the pink jersey all the way until the penultimate individual time trial where Primos Ro glitch’s form came back to 100% And then we saw the Slovenian win the Jaya okay we look at other places where we saw T
Pagach are winning at Perry and beating yonis Vino at this moment when you have four top top Riders like we have for this 2024 season with rco Primos toad and of course with yonis Vino they’re going to overlap somewhere at times would I like to see them maybe once or
Twice all four get together sure that’d be fun but I don’t need to see it throughout the whole season and when you start looking at this one project and we start reading over this article here in cycling news when you get down there to oio the director sportif for mov star he
Puts out some ridiculous things in the article about talking about shortening the grand Tours well if you shorten a grand tour usabo it’s not a grand tour okay when he’s talking about changing a grand tour from 21 stages to 15 you’re no longer doing a grand tour so if you
Win the jro if you win the Tour to France and you win the Tour to Spain and say you wanton all three of them you didn’t win three grand Tours you won zero grand Tours because they’re 15 days not 21 now a lot of times you hear commentators and they make this mistake
All the time I remember hearing Bob R for peacock when he’s talking about the women cycling he was talking about the women doing their grand Tours in jro and France and Spain women don’t do grand Tours they don’t do grand Tours because they don’t raise 21 stages what makes it
Remarkable if tot pagota in 2024 wins the jural and and then wents to tour to France is that he’s won two grand Tours backto back what makes that so special is that they’re 21 days of racing and that is what makes it hard if we look at
The history of the tour to France and other grand Tours the drama is built up all the way to the last day cuz anyone can crack if it’s a 10day or 7-Day stage race if it’s a week-long stage race most likely top Riders don’t crack but once
You start going over 10 days over 15 deep into the third week that’s when writers start cracking remember the 2020 Tour of France with t paga winning on the penultimate time trial if I take you back to Stage 19 when Primos rogl was wearing the race leaders yellow Jersey
There at the tour France if we had ended that tour to France Primos roget would have himself a tour to France Victory and Tad pacher would have been second instead we got one of the greatest bike races ever in 2020 at that tour to France when they went up plunge the Bel
And T pagach are destroyed Primos roget on that stage to get the race leaders yellow Jersey that is the most amazing thing about grand Tours and why they should never be touched why you would see an article put in there from moar about talking about shortening Grand
Tour so that everyone can race multiple ones well they’re not grand Tours anymore so you haven’t done anything except for destroyed what’s already history making when ryers can win a jro follow that up by with a tour of France and if someone could win the Triple I
Mean how impressed were we last season when yumbo Vima won all three with three different writers that was a remarkable feat and it’s never been done before that’s what made it special if we change it to 15 days it’s not going to be that special and then we see the next thing
There from usio and he starts talking about wanting to do replacement Riders replacement Riders how can you replace riders in a grand tour or any bike race for that matter what starts to happen when you replace Riders is now all of a sudden let’s say well we have t pagach
Here wins the jural daala his director sporti comes up to him because he knows he can replace Riders at the torto fronts he goes toy instead of five weeks off we’re going to give you six weeks before you have to start the tour to fronts and instead of racing three weeks
We’re going to make it so you come in at the end of the first week miss all the flat crazy technical dangerous most dangerous sections of the tour to France is always the first week you don’t have to worry about that that first week we’re going to bring you in on the
Second week come on you can’t have replacement writers the most beautiful thing about sports in general fans when you’re when we’re sitting there and we’re all fans sitting on the Chester Field at home watching it is those highs and lows I love it when the lows are
There too I love it when a writer’s failed I love it when that same writer has won I love it when the drama has been brought into it where a team has been devastated maybe they lost four or five writers I finished the tour to France with multiple Riders gone off my
Team many times when the bus was like a ghost I mean it it was like just empty in the bus we lost so many riders and then if that same team that loses those kind of riders and then all of a sudden they win a stage or win two stages that
Is another high that brings you up that’s the beautiful thing about sitting back and watching as a fan are the highs and lows and as a writer myself back in the day I’m telling you when you crashed out the lows were huge but then when you
Recovered from that crash and you got it going again it was high now usabo he wants to talk about changing and being able to replace Riders because he’s looking at it from a sponsorship point of side where like theyve spent millions of dollars coming in if you spent
Millions of dollars coming in and the team failed it failed wait till next year it brings the drama up it lifts everybody up right now when we see enrik moss from mov star and we know he crashed out of the tour to France last year early stage one we know that the
Drama there and the pressure on him to perform at this year’s tour to France is going to be high we know as fans sitting on the Chester Field that if enrich Moss was to win a stage go in and win the general classification if moar was to come back from the devastating ashes
That they’ve had the last few seasons then that high is what’s going to lift us up that is what makes it so special but when we’re talking about one one director changing and putting replacement writers in there and shortening the grand Tours it’s ridiculous you can’t be done and that’s
Why it makes it so special is because it is that hard because it is that easy for a team to be devastated and lose their million dooll riter like enrick moss last year at the tour to fronts I understand why he wants to have replacement writers but it can’t happen
Let’s just say we’re sitting on the Chester Field and again we’re watching where enrik Moss crashed out mov Stars replaced him but now they’ve replaced him with a guy what he’s racing General classification but he hasn’t raced the first week okay so then the organizers will say that replacement writer can’t
Race for the general classification well what happens if we get a breakaway of five Riders up the road and all five of those writers are replacement writers that aren’t a threat on General classification now the GC teams are going to go well we don’t have to work
Today because we don’t even care about those five Riders up the road and it means other teams have to go to work if they want to win that stage so it changes the chemistry chemistry of the race and allows the race leader yellow Jersey whoever that may be if you have
Five riders that are replacement Riders going up the road that yellow Jersey gets a rest that day so now if you’re racing in your second on General classification or third you’re trying to find all kinds of strategies of how to make the rider who’s wearing the race
Leaders yellow Jersey and his team get on the front work hard now all of a sudden it’s all blown because five Riders going up the road are replacement writers that H threat on General classification or the most ridiculous story would be they are racing on General classification and they didn’t
Have to do the whole first week right I mean sometimes when you look at people’s perspective it’s just all is skewed okay a grand tour is not one week a grand tour is three weeks that’s why win in the jro win in the tour winning the tour
Of Spain is so remarkable because it is a grand tour and it’s three weeks long and anything can happen at any moment and Ys fans love to tune in whether the drama’s going to be high or whether if the drama is going to be caused from crashes I love the sensation of it
That’s what makes cycling so beautiful now do I to get back onto what I was talking about to begin with with with this one project would I like to see €250 million euros come into the cycling world and bring some kind of different drama sure I would love to see that but
I don’t want to see gr Tor shorten I don’t want to see replacement riders in a gr tour and I certainly don’t want to see where all four of the best riders in the world if we’re talking about this coming season in 2024 that’s already started I don’t want to see them racing
Together at every race I love the drama that jonis Vino wins trino adriatico that we see Tad pagar win the Juro that Primos roget maybe he wins all three wins Perry n he wins the bass country he wins dolphin a and then Rim coiple maybe he wins over in Al Garvey all four
Riders come into the tour to France emerge and we’re not exactly certain where everybody’s form is that’s the drama that’s the enjoyment of sitting on the Chester Field and watching that big 50in flat screen TV and wondering what is going to happen today and the drama
Of The Grand Tour of something as big as the tour to France when they get into the mountain stages and we all know Primos rogot can crack because we’ve seen it in 2020 we all know that t pachar can crack we saw it last year remember that individual time trial from
Yonas Veno we’ve seen T pagach beat yones Vino we haven’t seen Rimco Evo really beat the other three guys in the grand Tours I know he won the Bolta espa against Primos rogich after he crashed out and I know he was wearing red when Primos rogus crashed out but there’s
Still drama he hasn’t really beaten them if they crashed out so when we start looking at the 2024 season and you read all these ridiculous articles about changing the whole history of the sport and changing it up I don’t know if it’s a good thing if you change it up I like
It the way it is I like to see more Glitz more glamour I’d like to see better cameras and more cameras in the race and I would occasionally like to see all four maybe meet up once before the tour to France I’d be happy with
That but they don’t need to meet up at every race to keep me happy because I love the drama that they haven’t met up but they have all four W races before the July of the tour to France starts here in 2024 make sure you guys like And
Subscribe maybe you like my take on it maybe it’s just a different take maybe it’s something you can explain or talk over when you’re on your Club ride and it keeps you’re interested in the sport either way like And subscribe I’ll see you guys in the next Edition real soon
32 Comments
Shorten the Monuments – so we can have one every week…
Perhaps the bike races should be stopped every 20 minutes to allow the US adverts to play on TV.
Sounds like they want the racing to be faster by having all the top guys there with across the board sponsorship exposure all at the same time as well turning cycling into some sort of football vibe with this substitution thing.
I agree – also too many subs allowed in rugby.
It doesn't get easier, you just go faster… biker replacement aside, wouldn't they just ride harder over 15 days instead of 21 and end in the same drama.
I don't like it, but just wondering.
Could not agree more. I worry that in the same way that bike companies corral consumers by reducing choice, pro-cycling organisers wants to ‘fix’ another thing that doesn’t need fixing because it suits them.
They already shortened. The billionaires who own these events probably want to destroy cycling.
The replacement was only for the 1st week though. A team can be at a huge disadvantage if they lose someone on day 3. I can see that.
Leave it alone. Don’t fix what’s not broken
21 stages Grand Tour. 15 stages Midi Tour. Replacement riders? No. Just no.
You’re right Chris. Subbing out riders is weird. I don’t enjoy how cycling is too much like a 3rd world country. Need a league, shared revenues and cohesive calendar. Plus, I need to stream it all live
💯.. Replacement riders is one of the dumbest ideas.. The one thing I'd love to see is a guaranteed minimum salery, like every other sport. Give these athletes some stability..
Please do the Nero Show!!
I don’t want it to change either, but the idea of simplifying things to make it easier for new fans to understand makes some sense.
Don't need less-than-grand tours.
Hi Chris I am from Germany, are there trikots and shorts to buy from your channel ? The vuelta once was in march…april and sometimes overlapping with the giro….what about if the sponsors can hire a rider just for one day ?? Over night contracts and all wearing the same jersys so no one knows in the peloton who is rideng for who, today ;-)) would be very nice, or changing riders before TDF…..;-))when I was a Amateur in the beginning of the season some teams dont wear their club trikots, so it is heavyer to know who is riding for who ! Maybe it could be boring when 4 high class rideres are on the TDF everybody is just waiting of the mistake of the others….
I really hope they aren't serious about this.
Hey Chris! Totally agree with you. But some changes would not hurt. The financial model is not good imho. 95% of team income over sponsorship is not great. Many teams struggle to get the money every year and hanging on their fingernails all the time to secure new deals. I mean they are the main protoganists and they deserve a fair share. But i don't like sportswashing either. I also like the changes they made to flanders. I think it is a better race these days but it is still flanders and the best wins. Greetings from Germany
I’d be interested in seeing what alternate riders would look like. What if they had to wear a different jersey so it is very clear to the peloton who they are and are not eligible for GC or even stage wins. Basically you can just be a domestique and get food/water. Maybe each team gets 1-2 alternates. Could be interesting just because it is a bummer in 21 that a big reason pogacar cracked is because uae was decimated by covid and lost most of the team.
how boring it would be if Jonas wins all 3 grand tours
I guess if you can't win at the big races, like Unzue, why not change the rules and then add "humane" to appear that you are mostly concerned about the riders welfare. Come on. Who do you think you are fooling?
Spot on, Chris! You tell it like it is.
Completely agree with Chris. 15 days isn't a Grand Tour.
The Olympics is now a sad remnant of what it once was. Sold out to 'interests', 'give us enough $ & sure you too can be an "Olympic" sport'. But corruption finds a way, always destructive. We've got to fight back. Well done Chris.
Okay. Unrelated but how is everyone watching cycling in US without GCN plus??
Tradition is part of the sport, even at the local level. I don't like change.
Wow. Sounds like people who are not cycling fans are trying to make a more certain return on their investments not realizing that it will bankrupt the sport completely 🤣
Most sports have a bench of 2nd string players ready to jump in. This isnt basketball or soccer. Also, forget ever breaking grand tour records, because a shorter race is a brand new race.
Making it easier for the "stars" of the sport. Follow the money. Messy
Hey Chris! Love the commentary and your insights. Are you doing Tour de France coverage this year? other Grand Tours?? Thanks.
Yeah if this happens I probably won’t watch. That is the most ridiculous thing that could happen to a grand tour
I prefer a davenport.