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A what is happening everyone this is gate7 international I’m your host AI I’m joined by none other than Gosa lanis it is not a good day today a lot of really really difficult questions that need to be asked um it’s a lot of unfortunate unfortunate realities and we’ll just
We’ll get into it Goa how you doing aside from the obvious I’m healthy I’m good decent weekend but it all came kind of crashing down with the uh with the Derby which we’ll get into lots to talk
About my friends lots to talk about and uh here we are misery misery loves company misery loves company so I’m gonna I’m G to get my glass as well and I’m going to get my whiskey I’m going to pull
My whiskey and I advise everyone that’s watching as well to you know go and get yourself a beer and we’re going to talk about things we’re going to talk about today’s game we’re going to talk about things more generally as well uh if you are drinking drink responsibly and if you’re underage
Then go somewhere else I’m I’m not even drinking alcohol but I should be this is one of the worst things I’ve ever tasted in my entire life French vanilla french vanilla carbonated coffee it is
Disgusting it is so bad they’re selling it for 29 cents in this economy that is how bad it is but this still tastes better than what we watch today and we’ll get into that well I was I know
It’s I know it’s what six o’clock five o’clock over there but but maybe if if you want dud please feel free to put aside your French vanilla [ __ ] and go and get yourself a drink and come
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Get you can get free new episodes extra episodes every month we just did a great interview with Edon the agent of Doran lner and he gave us some really interesting insights about what it’s like to be a sport agent and as well about finding players like how he found doron and how
They chose liakos so you can get extra content there early access to the scouting reports and the WhatsApp chat just gets pretty nuts now I mean it’s taken on a life of its own so if you
Want to join the Mayhem the the banter join us there and support us um thank you so much Eli for the comment nice job guys hope you continue growing at a great Pace we plan on it uh yorgos
Muranos oh by the way does anyone know when when Doran lner will heal his in injury and when does his contract expire well in the interview and in messages we’ve had with his agent Edan he told
Us that they are just waiting for the doctor to pass and he will be training with the first team again any day now he’s looking really good he said and his contract is up not this summer
But the following summer so we’ll see what goes on there but he’s a very um exciting prospect for us now getting into the match today B AOS liakos this was an opportunity um it was a huge opportunity for us for many reasons one if we had beaten bonath Nikos today it wouldn’t have
Helped us with the distance to the top of the the table but we would have overtaken bonath Nikos in third place it would have given us great momentum we play offie next and then the following week we
Play balk we would have set ourself up to at least have an opportunity to go Within minus three if we had done it right because everyone else has been taking points off of each other I plays balk I believe the following week after we played box it was a great opportunity here but
It required some type of Ingenuity the coach that maybe took a risk here and there because at this point if you’re in fourth place Odis is about to be in the final of the cup they’re going to
Beat BOS unless a miracle happens and they don’t and they have an opportunity to take the fourth spot that goes into Europe next year remember we have four spots because last year we didn’t do so well only liakos was in European competition in the group stage and we sucked so it’s very bad
For the coefficient the following year after next season we probably will have five spots again but this coming season we’re going to have four which means if olios come in fourth place and Adis wins the Greek Cup we do not have Europe Odis does and we go a whole season without European competition
So this match this Derby was really important it was really important to try and get something out of this and in the end what happened we see a starting lineup and the starting lineup H maybe
It wasn’t a big a big surprise but we saw Chino in the Midfield with he and Alex opos that was a little bit more of a surprise to me and in left wing we see Omar Richards with Ortega’s left back
And then uh with masas and uh the striker was Fred Navaro so we’re all sitting here looking at this and thinking okay clearly this is going to be a defense first approach we are going to be defending looking for counters against bonaos tarim plays offense possess possess possess and
We just want to make sure we don’t give any opportunities uh to them to to break into the final third and to break into the penalty area no e need this you’d think our job was a little bit
Easier unfortunately first 10 minutes I don’t even think we put 10 passes together by the time we got to the 20th minute in the first half we started to see we were possessing more doing doing more
With the ball then of course as we’re finally starting to work our way into the game and by the way when I say work our way into the game we were still being dominated more possession wise but we were finally starting to get things moving they get their first goal off of a
Cross and and it just didn’t really feel like for me at least that things were ever going to go our way the second half comes along and we make three substitutions goas fortunis comes on no surprise but then we sub off both of our left backs
Basically our or uh Omar Richards that’s playing left wing and then Ortega left back it it didn’t make sense now I don’t want to talk about the second half the whole game Goa without getting your opinion on the starting
Lineup in the first half did did the starting lineup make sense to you and if it did based on what we saw in the first half did the subs make sense to you I think it wasn’t the starting lineup I was expecting but at the same time I wasn’t
Surprised to see the lineup that that we saw um I think when we saw Omar Richards out on the left wing you you think to yourself okay last time we played at l forus in the cup in
The first leg that experiment didn’t Faire too badly in a sense that like we had legs there were players like all the players that were in the team today I’d say they had legs like they
Could they can run they can press I think we I think there were moments in the first half where we did a pretty decent job of you know pressing them quite high up forcing them into mistakes where they you know kick the ball out into touch and we regain possession and
Try to do something it’s you know the problem is when we had the ball what we did with it um in terms of varability and Ingenuity you know the word that you mentioned earlier there was very little I think you know you were expecting everything from yor masas in the first half and
He you know he he he helped create a few openings there was the I mean the pass into Navaro I think in the first 15 20 minutes it was a brilliant pass in behind the back line and you know maybe
Naar should have should have taken it first time and just shot it at least hit the target um and you the thing about the first half is you can’t say that we didn’t have a few chances yeah
I I count two for Navaro um was it the bicycle kick from alexandros and another overhead kick okay the the thing is any those like really dangerous opportunities like like me do you think any of those chances we had cuz bonath AOS had for me at least two very clear opportunities
But the ones that we had I mean the the the one that Navaro messed up and should have shot sooner on that for me would have been our clearest opportunity period yeah the thing is though scoring chance I’m sorry it’s because the it’s because the thing is like the team’s dropped its
Level so much that like my expectation as well has dropped so much in terms of what I actually expect to see on on the screen um so the thing is and you talked about the manager and the decisions a good
Manager backs up his his his decisions and his convictions what does he go and do in the second half he he goes and takes off Richards and Ora and you’re like okay that didn’t work out well for you
Did it and then you make it worse by taking off one of the only players with like a clear sense of passion and determination and like you know he’s he’s in the game he’s getting in the opp
Opponent’s faces I think he he may he he could have had a yellow card in the first half alexand Robos he got away with it but I really I don’t understand like why every time alexand Robos is
Taken off not just today in previous games he says oh he’s got a little knocky didn’t feel right we took him off so I don’t I don’t like that and uh and then just the subs that he made he just kind
Of he shot him he shot himself in the foot so I just showed every one that I [ __ ] up it was a wrong decision um so I don’t know man um I’m arriving um I’m I’m arriving at a conclusion
Already um which is you know just I can’t wait for this season to be over which is very similar to to the feeling that we had last season but but worse is worse this season it’s it’s February and
I’m done like it’s February and I’m done I’m not expecting anything from this team at this point I don’t care if we qualify for Europe or not I really don’t like there was a message earlier
In the chat I can’t remember from who it was um I need to find it but basically Who ah Jan says I watch your reaction to the high for 40 and they and have things really changed from then
I feel like the same things you were saying then we’re still saying now and it’s true like this is still a team that’s searching for an identity uh chopping and changing changing managers like you
You know that this guy is on the on a on a you know the clock’s ticking the clock’s ticking for kajal oh yeah how could you you said it at the beginning this was this was really perhaps the
Last chance to try and turn things around and I know that we’ve just we’ve just bought in eight players we just bought in eight players they all have to gel into a team that’s not gel like you
Really just have to ask yourself what the hell are they drinking over there sometimes and how are they thinking they’re going to fix this because whether we like it or not the other
Teams the other clubs they have set teams like b and a in particular but I like go is a [ __ ] show man I’m embarrassed like I’m humiliated that we lost to them today in the way that we lost like
They cre they created two three chances and they scored two goals yeah bing bada boom like easy peasy lemon squeezy for them today like they we lost to this team without youis with fim as their coach like a coach that is from another like he’s a dinosaur man he’s from another era
And like what does that say about our coach what does that say about us they beat us with like half a center back yep with half a center back and you know no stri this team by the way
Which over two legs in the keeper was nothing they were garbage and then look what they did to us today we let this garbage team beat us to nothing it’s disgusting I don’t care if it’s a
Derby this is one of the worst ban I coach teams I’ve seen they were better with yovanovich period they’re here with a coach that all he wants to do is POS forward can’t create a lot of meaningful
Opportunities and we and we are still that bad we are still that bad that we lost to this team it’s what we haven’t seen proper football in the last three years look at my no since that last season
Of Martins and we we won the league because the other teams were still garbage I mean look and you have to give it to Martins right like he was very efficient we did a lot with set pieces like
He at least understood that if we’re not going to play good football we’re going to convert on set pieces and we did and we also converted off counters as well what do we have now what do we
Have now I mean the my there there’s there’s so there’s so many problems here but but it I I part of it I think feels worse under kvaal too because under Diego Martinez offensively things were moving we can say that in the league offensively things things moved but defensively
Is where the problems were we were letting cheap goals in constantly and you now have a coach right and the purpose of bringing kval is was that he was supposed to make it the defense he was supposed to shore things up defense right but but we sacrifice offensively now Goa I have
Some stats for you comparing what gaval has done since his arrival and what Martins did before he left do you want to hear them or am I going to depress you go so we’re just a couple of quick
Stats so garval versus Martinez this is on a per 90minut basis just in Greece I’m not factoring in Europe I’m just factoring what they’ve done in Greece in all competitions within Greece garval after today is averaging less than a goal per match 0. N8 goals per match per 90
Minutes after today Diego Martinez was averaging 2.8 2.8 goals per match in gree Diego Martinez XG Carvajal is at 1.28 per match Martinez was 2.01 shots Carvajal is averaging 10.8 under 11 Martinez was over 17 shots per match similar shot accuracy now Carvajal was brought in to shore up
Shore us up defensively sure we were going to lose offensive prowess but he was supposed to shore us up defensively we are averaging almost a goal a game we’re averaging point it’s 089 goals a game do you know what our goals per game average was with Diego Martinez point6 Costa XG against
Under Diego Martinez was 75 and our XGA under Carvajal is 97 almost one we have regressed in every underlying statistic under kvaal so that tells me one we shouldn’t have gotten rid of Martinez as upset as we were with various things right because we did get embarrassed in Europe we
Did get embarrassed by balk I understand that but everyone that kept saying good he’s Martinez out Martinez out what have we said since day one we have said that it can always get worse at
This club it can always get worse and it has it has gotten worse we have we have signings that came in that we really haven’t seen yet right a bunch of them a couple of them I do not rate at
All but I’m sorry I do not see how this gets turned around we are in a worse situation now than we were with with with Diego Martinez I was against firing Diego Martinez I wanted to wait I
Wanted to go until the end of the season with him if it failed it failed I wanted to give him the winter window that’s it because I knew it could get worse I have known because that’s all this
Club has been consistent about this club has been consistent about one thing and that’s that it can always get worse we have watched that happen for two and a half years now it can always get worse
The second you think it can’t it can that’s it and we it is worse now I don’t think these signings fix anything I don’t I think it was I think half of them were a waste there were some really good
There were some real there there are some good players that we brought in but I don’t think it gets any better I think we should have stuck with the project if it didn’t work it didn’t work
That’s it I don’t it’s not I don’t see it getting any better than here I we the focus for me we we have a poll up by the way if you haven’t voted vote now about whether you think the season is
Over or not but me I’m do what you can in the conference league but we’re looking to next season this team with this mentality there’s no way we’re doing anything in the playoffs we cannot do anything with the same assets that Martinez had and get better results kahal is
Five win wins three draws three losses five wins three draws three losses what has he done in a derby nothing yeah so we got upset with martinez for the same thing that’s it
That’s it it is what it is right on Q do we have somebody in the waiting room uh I didn’t see one yet no okay well people are asking for labra lab just told me he’s here uh but I don’t see
Him’s going to be with us LA’s going to be with us short shortly man don’t worry um M for me the season’s over like I um I I said it if they’re not if not if they’re not already talking to
Or looking for the next manager I don’t know what the hell they’re doing that’s the only thing they should be doing and I remember the last time the last time we were in a similar situation was the
Beginning of the 2010 season I want to say where we bought Vala back the second time right and we were out of Europe and they bought Val in the thing is man that was 14 years ago I feel old
Saying that that was 14 years ago and while we weren’t in Europe That season I still think oos was an attractive place to go right I’m really not sure anymore no and I’m putting it mildly
And that’s why I think we have this coach now yeah Carval because who in their right mind takes this job considering all what happened last summer we went and started this rebuild in the summer the previous manager talked a lot about building a bridge I agree with a lot of the comments like
You know we lost four you know we at four against B at home uh we ate five it was embarrassing but clearly like there were mistakes were made in the summer but you’ve got to have the Bulls to stick
With it like there are things that we don’t know like what happened with gon Etc we like we can speculate so many things but is this better than what we had before rewind and listen to
What the the the the the stats AR just mentioned no it’s not it’s gotten worse and supposedly we have bought in quality some questions asking what we thought of GMO so I think garmo is a
Proper Center back he is he’s a proper Center back you can see that even in a [ __ ] team like we are you can see that the guy is a proper Center back uh is he gonna is he going to help us
Achieve our objectives I I’m not expecting him to yeah because this is more than this is more than individuals there’s no like you look at this t and you think what are we going to do
We’re going to pass the ball down the right rod at best at best what is this team going to do creatively going forward you’re going to give the ball to rod rod is going to dribble past
Two three players there’ll be a little maybe an overlap or Rod gets into the box as a cut back into the box that’s it it’s just play down the wing to Rodin and wait for an overlap maybe
Maybe a Counterattack that we don’t [ __ ] up like one out of 10 that’s it like I don’t I don’t know what this team is there’s no identity there’s no style of play there’s nothing like and and it’s
Wrong to expect any of that because we we just sacked a manager that we bought in for a rebuild that was showing something offensively at least and we chose to bring in a new manager that’s completely different and what we’re expecting the team to play football like proper football no
Like I don’t disagree I I don’t disagree with you I don’t disagree with you at all it the there there was a question earlier by um by uh think I think it was Adis galatis I just put
It up here about whether I thought Martinez was better than Martin or if I was insinuating that I thought he was better than than garon or um and no that’s that’s not what I was trying to say at
At all actually I can’t even compare them um I actually liked I really liked codon personally I thought he was a brilliant tactician but he for me like the situation with him was like right coach wrong time and the situation the situation with with martinez is has nothing to do with that
The situation here is Martinez while we were unhappy with how things went in Europe while we were unhappy of course with that balk loss in the end if the fan doesn’t throw the firework the idiot that threw the firework we’re in first Place remember that remember that I I said that three or
Four shows ago I think the last time I was on with uh with Bost like for me that was really the turn turning point in the season you just you we’ll never know we’ll never know yeah and
And and the the the whole the situation it just like th this this club compounds its Mistakes by doubling down on the worst part about it and that’s the worst that’s that’s what’s happening that’s what’s continued to happen now just because just because I I I believe gahal is a terrible
Tactician I think he’s a I don’t think he’s a great coach I think he’s mediocre I I I also have to say like look this isn’t his he inherited this problem and he hasn’t gotten to integrate his
Signings yet right so we don’t know we don’t really know what the signings we don’t really know what the signings will do yet right we have to see them integrated first but what we do know
Is that that kahal cannot do better with the same assets Martinez had we know that plain and clear so we then the decision then has to be do we do we stick do we get rid of the coach that we just
Brought in the assets for right if if things are so bad to what we’re saying we want to get rid of the coach again do we have are we going to get rid of him and because after we just brought all these
Guys in for him to play what he wants because he he believes he could do better with what he had to come in or do we get rid of him and bring in ibba Gaza and play other people um I it and
What message does that send Goa then you then get rid of another coach after you just brought on of these players for him we literally just we can’t stop digging the hole deeper and every time we
Dig the it just gets worse and worse and look makes us look even shittier I at this stage I wouldn’t be surprised if look let’s be honest next week against offie we might win that game
Offie are like second to bottom or something so say we win the offie game yeah we win the offie game or like we don’t lose then we go we’re going to play uh France virus at home and away I’m not
Gonna I’m not going to say what’s on my mind not good um and then and then we’re probably like I can’t see this guy getting results this month and I can’t see him surviving and it just makes
Me think like if you’re not going to support the Martinez project you know that like it’s over you you and instead of starting from square one again I don’t understand why they didn’t just go back to to anigo and I I might sound like a like a caricature right now but that’s the
Only solution for me it’s the only solution you bring in uh an ego you ask him to caretake the team until the end of the season and you [ __ ] work your ass off to bring in not a tactician not
A young coach a coach that will demand Authority in the in the dressing room yeah a high profile you need a high-profile coach that’s that will tell the owner no yeah he’s got balls yeah you
Need a coach and the players too and it goes for the players too like like one that’s gonna say no I don’t give a [ __ ] who you are I don’t care not that I’m saying goas foris is a problem
In the locker room like no you’re you’re not happening you no get effed that’s you’re right you’re right CA at this that’s that’s probably the only thing that’s that’s that’s going to work I mean uh I the people that didn’t want gatuso here maybe in the end he was probably the best
Thing we needed but you know chased out before he could get here it’s look it’s I don’t like like the situation just gets worse and worse and worse also excuse my French ghosta because like I
I have to let this out too [ __ ] off everybody that got upset with all the [ __ ] that we were saying Nelson Abby when we said he was going to the B team and the stuff I said about players that
People didn’t like and the scouting reports about the injury everything we have said has [ __ ] come to fruition I spend hours reviewing this stuff I spend a lot of time we spend a lot
Of time we talk to a lot of people we don’t just make this [ __ ] up out of nowhere and most of it has come to fruition so I would just like to kindly tell certain individuals [ __ ] off
Because everything we have said in many respects has come to pass and we don’t this isn’t like you or me Goa or even uh lro because we we don’t like to be negative about the club right we want this
Club to succeed we want to do well we don’t like it but we we are here just simply to say what is happening now we all have our own opinions but we we we CR we critique things because we love the
Club and we we all want things to be better we’re here to have a discussion but the bad signal went up I’m here a don’t worry I heard my name that signal went up I’m here everyone don’t worry
Goddamn and don’t worry I’m ready to not have any opinion on this but continue on with your situation I’m gonna tell you L here’s what’s happening no we’re uh yeah anyway it’s um the worst is the propagandist
Godamn it the worst is when you have to eat it you know when times are not good but like not tonight you know and when they’re just like well gate 7 International you dumb asses why don’t you just listen to us and Trust the plan and then it’s nights like this where
We hop on here and we say well how’s the plan going how’s the plan going it’s not great plan’s not going great is it what what can you do I I’m gonna come out and just say I didn’t watch the game tonight like the the this team gives me too much depression and
Upset anger so I’ve been avoiding um situations um but I came on tonight just to event with you guys a be like more of an Avenue where you guys can share your opinions and I can talk
Back I literally did not want to watch the game tonight I just did not want to watch it at all so yeah I just I I saw the lineup that came out and I was just like I saw pth course’s lineup
Too and I was like yeah I’m gonna I’m gonna take I’m gonna set this one out you know what I mean I wish I didn’t watch it at this point like it was it was just it was just frustrating it was just
Frustrating um odies trust me buddy you’re not the one I was talking about or you’re not part of the individuals there were certain critiques I had about not only players that just recently signed um but of stuff that has of things that have gone on that we’ve talked about on socials
And a lot of individuals have have said to me that they I’m off base I have an agenda blah blah blah so but you are not you’re not one of those people don’t worry about I have
A few question most of the people that are here also are not the so I have a few questions though for the for the for you guys for the fans since I didn’t watch the game how did chinho look looks
All right man what was the op I I feel like the players that we’ve bought in individually like chinho UTA and Karma are actually good players like they’re they’ve played in the Champions League this season for [ __ ] sake like they’re not they’re not bad players you just can’t throw
Those individuals into a team and expect them to gel into something that hasn’t jailed itself that’s to me like one of the biggest problems and it just it it infuriates me as well the whole like we need to make the team more Greek and we want Greek spoken in the in the locker
Room and it’s like mate people in the UK taking and in Portugal are taking the piss out of us and they’re like you guys are the new wolves so where okay like we had five Greeks in our
Lineup by the way fair but we know they’re out of contract except for DOI like there’s a there’s a comment here like by alexandr renew Myers make him Captain did you ask them if they want to stay like because because I’m sure Alexander will have offers um muras has offers it’s been reported
Might get more who wants to stay and what’s making them stay at this point are is our board trustworthy like to to tell those players that it’s going to be different I have a hard time believing it and believe me those guys they live and breathe inside that environment every single
Day of their lives as professionals if if I feel bad or if like you you us if we feel bad about the the the the environment can you imagine them yeah actually being in that every day and the club
Telling them we want you to renew we want you to have faith and at every turn they’ve just shown the the the last two seasons like ever since we sacked Martine okay we can trace back problems
To Martinez’s last season before makabi but let’s not go that far pep be there was a comment about be earlier like you saw him his his his he looks like a new man yeah he’s gone to Germany
To alburg and just like you see some pictures of him he puts up on Instagram or you know the stuff that he reposts he looks rejuvenated like a few hours after leaving pep some guy made the
Joke do if you guys remember my uh what was it my comparison of oos to a school pep transferred schools and he’s so happy they told him Carvajal is the new teacher but you know I just I think
Some of this um and I don’t know maybe it’s the field I work but it’s such a PR nightmare like they’re so [ __ ] at PR they’re so [ __ ] at comms that they cannot you know they have kuya saying [ __ ] they have their stupid reporters saying bull this [ __ ] but there’s no concerted
Plan there’s no plan there’s no organization like no one has presented or explained a plan of where this is going other than eight to 10 signings in the winter and 20 to 30 signings in the summer like I think PR and Communications is really important and they just have [ __ ] it and have
Let down the fans over and over again by setting these shitty expectations saying these horrible just like saying random stuff I think like K yes when you hear him speak like he’s throwing pasta at the wall it’s like what’s going to stick he’s like the Greek Bas Antonio cordone [ __ ] like
He’s just throwing bread out to people just like what are the mass is gonna love to hear you know he’s like he’s like what what can we say do you remember how [ __ ] this guy was at Lisa he’s
Like the shittiest owner of all time like are you kidding me and he’s fun of him like it was it was hilarious because you could wait to hear what nonsense he’d said I am begging begging Mar n
Like [ __ ] go to a PR firm and London give them a million EUR and tell them do the pr in Greece do it in L in forest and help me because he sucks at PR like kuas going on TV saying bullshits like man
Do you know how many people are just tired man there no one no one is buying into this [ __ ] like No One Believes anything they say can I ask you like like on that do you actually think that
Where a majority like people like you people like you me iie the guys that watch this show like I I I I dared to like make a snarky comment about the um what was it the the guas press conference when
Was that a couple of weeks ago yeah and attack you you like make a joke about like defending us like [ __ ] yeah like the amount of trolls that attacked me it’s like but that’s what speaks to
Them like they’re the majority it speaks to them like it resonates and like have you really seen any reaction after today’s game like they like gate s were quick to you know throw mitcho under
The bus and you know go you know come to him with evil or whatever whatever it was they whatever their Google translate was yeah like this is this is a hard one to get out of boy because yeah they’ve they’ve brought in a new technical director who’s Portuguese who’s B in this coach
So what are they gonna do like they’re gonna say ah [ __ ] this like we’re going to get rid of calow and then the sporting director is just going to take it like and don’t get me wrong like
I agree with a lot of the comments I’m seeing as well about like Academy and I’ve been ranting on about this a lot on social media as well why are we so [ __ ] afraid to like play Costas
None of the forwards that we have are going to be here next season none of them and we’re like if you know nichos scis wrote a piece today about gulas more puff P it appears that like he’s close
To the first team should just take him on the bench one game what he can’t play against offie next week he’s playing against at this point let him train you have you have 30 other players that are still training what’s that’s ridiculous as well like like somebody told us like recently
Somebody that works in football he said to us like what is what like what is this aragos yeah you have 34 players that’s more than three teams three more than three starting Els how do you train when
You do when you play a match in training at most it’s 11 on 11 what do the other 11 do but the crazy thing is and then you look at the contract and Loan situation but there’s only going
To be like 13 dudes here by July 1 so there’s like 35 guys here it’s gonna be summer again and we’re going to be looking for 20 players and you know the the the the journalists are going to be
Coming out on the raid like olos is going to sign 10 players and maybe 15 maybe 20 and you’re just going to like I I can’t go through that again man I can’t go through that Su you can’t go through
It I have to stay up till midnight every [ __ ] night doing the scouting reports for I’m sick of it and half of them are mediocre so it’s not even fun yeah that’s that’s but you know what it is Goa
And and like a lot of this kind of has to do with a couple of things with the comms the comms part right A lot of it has to do with one it’s we are the we are so afraid and by we I’m talking about
Administratively wise for liakos so afraid one to accept blame that’s F first and foremost they want to lose their job man like people don’t make a lot of money exactly and and two we’re we’re afraid to
To to to go to take that one step forward except responsibility and then go guys we messed up we need we need to build something the season [ __ ] we’re sorry we have to build something new we’re
Going to do what we can but we’re focusing on next season nobody is willing to do that because heaven forbid heaven forbid we not tell you there’s a chance we’d rather just say oh we’re the goal is
To win Europa League got a be whatever he does the the that that’s what they so we’re we’re afraid to take responsibility we never want to we’re never ready to admit that we that something is is Out Of
Reach For Us never and then at the same time we’re not willing to we’re not willing to take a chance administratively on pushing certain things like like youth like culas or whatever because then if
It fails it’s also you know it looks bad on us as well in the end there’s a lot there’s a lot of Pride here and and an unwillingness to accept where where the mistakes are being made Gosa is
It any is it is it any coincidence to you that when certain technocrats AKA luluku left things went to [ __ ] really quick not just her the the proof is in the pudding my friends like they’re
Gone and you know things went South as soon as they left I don’t I don’t know her personally but the proof is there that soon as those technocrats left things deteriorated pretty fast um yeah what
More to say h I’m and the the problem is until until something like that changes which I it won’t because that’s un that’s like a very toxic Greek thing in in my opinion I see it with a lot
Of Greeks like especially Greeks from Greece I I don’t mean I don’t mean to like insult Greeks in Greece I just mean like older older generation wise like I see that in a lot of Greeks Greek
Americans all of it it’s a very toxic tra this un this inability to recognize a fault or something that we’ve done and accept responsibility from what we’ve done we I can I say something as well
Um we can say we can call spade a spade as well um the larger context is so bad right now like in the marinaki ownership group they’re about to get docked 10 points like probably in the UK they are
Facing a massive uphill to avoid relegation here they’re going for third or fourth place again this whole empire is like at its knees like this is like a very weak moment for this whole thing you know if this club barely makes conference League maybe in the summer and Forest are relegated dude
This is how clubs go [ __ ] bankrupt man like this thing is on the I I don’t want to like speculate but we have seen football clubs go under we’ve seen football clubs get insurmountable debts like um I’m not saying anything but like anyone with two eyes can see that right it’s like yeah
If if they get relegated if we don’t make Europe somehow there’s there’s some deep like [ __ ] PR that’s the last of the problems like the whole thing is in the [ __ ] like there is like this
Is a deep threat to like the the whole thing you know if if Forest get delegated G prioritize but it’s a financial disaster like it is financially a disaster AI you can like describe more I this
Is fake news Yos this was this came from like a this came from an account that does nothing but pedal the source of this was a guy that just pedals nonsense but also I like on the
Pr side it’s like such a waste of money to be G to to have Romano tweet about you like I I don’t want to like a lot of people play stupid and they’re like oh Romano tweeted about a Chino
Free transfer you think Romano tweets about like free transfer toos you think that’s how it works like in this [ __ ] you think he just tweets like random stuff and he’s the first person to get that
In I’m not going to say the word with the face but like you have to be an idiot to be like oh Romano loves o BOS and we’re a huge Club he’s tweeting for us something stupid is going on there as well
It’s a waste of resources so anyway I’m I’m more worried that you know this is not sustainable like one the club is playing like [ __ ] and there’s no plan but like from a business standpoint like
There is some there’s some real uh there’s some real issues man like Audi you you can run the numbers better you’ve been running this ffp stuff but I don’t know about you guys but like you’ve seen historic clubs basically bite the dust like for worse like he feel feels to me overleveraged
At this moment it is it is L you’re absolutely right like and and people and this there there’s a distinction also we need to make here because a lot of fans I still I still see the the same
Idiots making the same the same cases and this is usually on social media the fact that they all every the biggest complaint everyone seems to have oh might Naki doesn’t invest in the club there’s no money that’s putting in here and and that part of it is an utter fallacy if you are
Coming out of this situation and you’re your thing your critique about the mikas regime is that he doesn’t put enough money in you are an idiot because that’s not he the one thing he’s done is dump money into this club three straight years eight figures millions of Euros he’s put
In over 40 million euros into this club to cover losses that’s it to cover losses so the the thing you should be saying is but has spent the money well exactly that’s the question need to say he’s
Putting a ton of money in what’s he doing with it who’s he investing in and the the the real answer there is the the money that’s being invested the people that he is giving the money to to do the
Things for him that that they’re the ones that are dispersing it incorrectly and that is the problem the problem isn’t the money he’s putting the money in the problem is where the hell is it going and it’s been wasted that’s the clear thing and remember guys remember we were already on thin
Ice this summer that’s why we had to make over 20 million EUR of sales which we did we’re about to be on thin ice again this coming summer because we strad out a fine line we don’t have European
Competition remember even this year with nothing we’re guaranteed to get a little over 10 million Euros so far uh in TV rights money which helps it helps a lot if you’re not in Europe if we’re not
In Europe next year and we don’t get that extra 10 million or so what do you think’s GNA happen you got to sell a lot of players we can’t spend as much on wages next year either 80% of Revenue
It’s just Tighter and Tighter this is the thing like you again going back to the 13 players on roster like who can you sell you know last summer we had ziner Nogle we had bakuru onak Kuru we had
A few you look at the roster we have BL maybe in the summer to sell but then you run down the list like I maybe I can pull up the list aibu after a good afcon but like like dude MD is gone MADD
Is gone for free gone free you [ __ ] it you [ __ ] it man like what it’s unreal and then you come out and send B team who gives a [ __ ] who gives a [ __ ] if you send him to the B team
No one gives a [ __ ] like he doesn’t care he’s happy like yeah you’re the ones who didn’t sell him you idiots like you know what I mean it’s just Jesus incompetence from the highest level um I guess Hees Ortega you could sell just paid million for them just paid it would surprise me
He he you could probably get double for in the summer yeah I think he you get money for Orga right now no no yeah but but here’s who you have here’s who you have right in the summer this is
Who you have that you of the contracts that we do have here’s who you have that sell right so at the forward position you have Costas alas Simba and pakas any sellable assets there that’s it you
Don’t have a senior strier next season like it’s insane no and elab elab is a plus one he’s got plus one but do you renew it no or or maybe he goes and he goes screw it I got decent numbers
In the Greek League like I can go get a big he’s go back to Turkey or go back go back to Turkey or the Middle East Saudi Arabia yep and then Wingers here’s who your here’s your assets who
Can you sell you have Gelson right Gelson Martins who we just brought in who’s now injured like we said he probably would be uh uh brinich Mario rousai who signed the renewal before the loan Maxi Letta remember him and D that’s that’s crazy dude what that’s insane so then at the 10 position
You have Patel and I guess Latos at the B Team L he’s not even playing he’s not he’s not even playing either so you really just remember when he was supposed to be the next guy that’s crazy the
Next GTI so deeper in the midfielder we have Halls grow aibu muakis but you know that doesn’t count figa Chino and he holy [ __ ] they didn’t even sell figa this window no like what are you doing
Man like what it’s just insane like let’s keep figa for the [ __ ] B Team like are you an idiot like these decisions are so stupid man like it’s insane yeah and now now let’s go to the defense
You’re gonna love this LOM bro so now left back so you have or Ortega who go hasn’t lived up to the price tag um as far as I’m concerned I think most people agree then you have returning lro’s best
Friend Ramon who’s already F he got kicked out of espanol so he’s going back to like a mid-tier side somewhere somewhere low tier and then you have Doran lner who Doran lner while he is has been considered in the football Observatory to be a top prospect he hasn’t played for us and he’s
Coming back from injury there’s no cell ability there then you have the your right back you have Rodin not really he’s too old really to be an asset you can sell you have uh kostina coming in maybe you can get something out of him but then otherwise you don’t have anything else at
Right back Center back you have doy retos Nelson Abby we all know where AB is probably going to end up balanis kopos coming back banon could this and now vzo so dude it’s terrible man who can you
Sell on like Ros maybe was the shittiest sign who vzo was a complete agent signing it was like can I can you guys do me a favor and sign vzo that’s like literally the only way you can describe it’s
Like insane it’s insane watch my scouting report on him if you uh if you think that you know we’re missing something there gon hernandz these are your sellable assets and then your goalkeepers you’re gonna have btis that we just brought from in Milan U papadis and kis so of whole Squad that
We’re going to have in the summer who the hell can you sell who maybe has pep whatever you get from Augsburg which is going to be a loss from his initial there’s that that’s going to make this even worse because we don’t have sellable assets we don’t really have anybody unless somebody turns
Up in in the middle of the Season here there’s no sellable assets also you don’t have the money to activate the options soort alexandr Etc you don’t have the money to to activate these cabal even3
Million EUR I don’t think you have the money Pense no we don’t have the money to activate the options because we are so behind in ffp and in a [ __ ] show financially um it’s so bad it’s so bad the
Um the one thing that kind of does help us is the fact that because we have so many players that are going to be gone the the way we are going to be so well under the squad ratio because we don’t have
We won’t have any players on contract we actually can skirt that reporting period of FF because we would have such a low wage Bill it’ll look so good for for revenues and expenses so you you do have
Something there at least but yeah man it’s like it’s the people because a lot of people can only see what’s right in front of them like what’s on the football field this sucks this doesn’t suck
Money kni doesn’t spend a lot of money they they don’t look at like what’s going on and bubbling underneath it can’t get any worse you don’t see what’s bubbling underneath it can get worse it
Can’t get worse it always can get worse it always can get worse there’s no light at the end of the tunnel with this club like that’s that’s the issue there’s no plan there’s no light at the end of the
Tunnel there’s disaster and pandemonium that’s like the only like you look I’m looking at our depth chart right now it’s on Twitter Instagram and you’re just like even the players who are up renew Jesus Christ some of them suck you know like you don’t even want them back and I think
After the maybe it was the fryborg game or it was another game where we went through the squad list like the 23 man and you look at it you go Name by name and you’re just like what is this you
Know what I mean you’re just like this is there is not enough Talent there’s not enough etc etc it’s just absolutely devastating um yeah maybe but maybe you know what maybe in a way kuas man
What like what is he telling us like he’s telling us they’re going to fight and stuff like that you can’t blame this on you can’t blame this on a referee like if we get destroyed by fener varos in the conference League how disappointing is that going to be just devastating that’s like
The cherry on top of this dead carus that has been brewing for years and the thing is like that’s a that’s a home game with fans yeah Jesus the Greek government put the cameras in don’t worry Costa
It’s all going to be okay they now have cameras you know what like like the thing is like you guys are both saying that like the Situation’s Bleak right uh with a with a three Club ownership and Nottingham Forest probably getting dock points it’s looking hard for them especially if they
Get dock points like I can’t see how um I mean let let’s see football’s football funny things have happened but what makes me kind of sad is that the other week I had I had a chat with a friend that’s
That’s a sports lawyer he he works in he works in this stuff seen a lot of things in football and he says to me at one point we’re talking and he says if uh if an owner or an investor is looking
To buy a Portuguese club that’s normally like a really good sign that they want to do something and that there’s a footballing project and you look at this guy casho that we’re bringing in as well um his data is like similar to they’re talking about him in a Sim way that they were
Talking about ler or just I think there was some stats that came up the other day that I saw he’s like statistically the best right back in the Portuguese league right now and we’re all thinking
Like how the hell did like we manage to scoop him up my point is that like yeah I I am actually sad because you said it too labro it’s not that the owner doesn’t invest money it’s like and I think
Even making that investment important Portugal if and when it goes through officially because it’s not like rubber stamped yet but like it’s a it’s a it’s a step in a good direction but too little too late and my big worry is actually that if Forest gets relegated as well like this season
Um I I I personally I have to tell you guys like I think that this season ends this season ends with us out of out of Europe um and going into the hundred years of the club out out Europe that
Maybe maybe I’m just like too far inside that Tunnel right now and it’s a really dark place for me in terms of the club but that’s what I see right now that’s that’s what I see at the
End of the tunnel for us and then add to that for us going down and looking at how we handled things last season when Forest came up knowing that there are people at the club that deal on both
Sides that really worries me um do I think like there are there are measures in place for Premier League teams that go down to like financially get parachute or whatever but yeah that really worries me manam um you know what actually like the whole ffp stuff and the fact that we might
Be limited in the market I see that as a good thing I can’t stand it anymore I can’t stand it anymore like TW like [ __ ] like he invests what two million a season into the academy or whatever
We invest and I’m like a broken record but just just take the pieces that are decent enough and like do something like make something like what what do you think what do you think uh leesu is
Done at par man you think he has an he had an amazing team at the beginning of the Season no but he worked with his Squad and he made a few additions at the end of the window but his call
Was there like we don’t have a bloody core we had a core at the beginning of the Season we didn’t like it like some of the transfers were failures like everyone’s talking about Gordon and like how
He [ __ ] up he overcooked or whatever it’s like yeah Nicholas FR was [ __ ] uh what’s his name Jackson peroza was pretty decent but then he got injured and he scored an own goal today Kim basa
Like you can’t always get it right and like people attack Kenny and ibor K like that’s what happens when you bring in a coach like that gonna he want he wants to bring in his guys he wants to bring
In his guys uh they’re on a one-year contract who the [ __ ] wanted to come and play for us this summer yeah who the hell in their right mind look at us and look at our results last season and
Say yeah that’s the place that I want to go and play at where they we don’t need to remind what happened last season but what was the objective at the beginning of the season the objective of
The beginning of the season was get us into the group stage and let’s get started in the league did did did Martinez fail so is that a question we’ve asked ourselves like I have has every like everybody thought about that did Martinez fail at what the objective that
Was given did did Gordon and Martinez manage to get us into the group stage with keny and ior in the starting lineup good are were Kenny and ior going to be starters in the team next
Season were they going to be around no were they short-term signings yes so like we’re not the same MOS that we were people need to get that into their head people need to get that into their head no you’re you’re 100% right 100% right I’m just I’m just pointing at problems I’m sorry
Like I’m not giving solution I we try to talk Solutions we talk Solutions way too much on this [ __ ] podcast that we talk about the academy we talk about stranch for ideas and none of it ever
Gets taken like none of the ideas we think about none of the things we talk about that the fans like that that footballing people we talk to think happen literally what is the point of K cabal like
Why the [ __ ] do you signed this guy like who’s the idiot who cooked that like to go come for three months when you don’t have the cup you’re basically out of the League what the [ __ ] man
Like who cooks this stuff who who come it’s like deadline day [ __ ] like if you guys ever watch like Sunderland till I die have you seen that [ __ ] on Netflix yeah it is terrible like you
Have the owner or whatever there at the on like deadline day and he’s like [ __ ] it let’s go in for this Wing I like him it like feels like that it’s like [ __ ] it the cab I saw a few flick over
The heads dude like what the [ __ ] man who cooks this stuff like who comes up with these stupid ideas who’s like you know what guys like listen up what about jovon cabal on loan who’s still
At afcon who’s gonna be here for two and a half months it’s like who is the idiot who came up with that and was like okay that’s a great idea let’s go for it you already [ __ ] it with Martin Gelson
Martines who was clearly overweight and injured like it also you sold got rid of Rous which is fine verai for me is average but your idiot Cabo can’t play in Europe man so what’s the point he’s gonna play against laia every week like what the hell it’s like the stupidest things I’ve ever
Heard seen in my life like it’s basic stuff it’s basic team building it’s basic ideas they don’t do it this guy vzo what the [ __ ] man why who is the idiot who came up with that it’s so stupid man it
Makes it makes no sense from a footballing side it makes zero sense and like this is the thing about football vzo could turn out but that doesn’t mean that the idea was good the idea was [ __ ] man and
We’ve been burned over and over and over again with these [ __ ] ideas man it’s so frustrating it’s so so frustrating I’m just you know it’s how how what what am I going to do go to the stadium
And get vz’s name on the back of my shirt like get get excited for vzo or cabal for three Monon loan like that that’s that’s a really important Point that’s a really important point because there’s no connection to this team anymore there’s no connection between the players and there’s no
Connection between the fans and the players the only connection that exists between fans and player is with fortunis and that’s that tells a lot about this club actually a player that’s out of contract you don’t know where he’s going what’s going to happen that’s probably the only
Real connection there is in this club right now and that’s I find that I really don’t mean this in a nasty way but like there’s something wrong with that this football club is like a dead carcass man
Like it is like a dead body like what a what the fans love fortuni so much and go to the like are like so pissed if they hear he’s going to leave because they know if he leaves they’re going to
Bring someone 10 times shittier than him yeah and you and fortunis brings them a connection to the good memories like fortunis was there with Marco Silva like fortunus was there with some great he was the assist for the Hassan winner versus PVE like you know it’s like you can remember him the
Rest of these [ __ ] guys like what if we lived with them you know like some of these guys I’m looking at at the list like Marik Kamara you know like was around here when we had some Glory Days
But like the rest of them muras I guess you know I GES around people people don’t have connections to these players like people don’t I you know what I mean like PE these people are dead bodies they
Come in they go the next one comes the next one goes another Portuguese name another whatever you know we have no connection to any of these people like there’s no I don’t know I if I was no you’re
Right lro you’re right you’re 100% right and the problem is we’re we’re bringing new faces in and the old faces that we were have the good memories with are gone and we’re not generating good memories with the new faces they’re not they’re either not here long enough or we suck so much
That we can’t generate that so literally as time goes on we’re going to lose you’re going to lose the last bit of that like that that connection that that I don’t know that magical connection
Maybe with some of these players but even even if I talk to to to friends who go to the stadium and it’s like the stadium doesn’t fill out anymore like people are not going anymore because there’s
No it’s [ __ ] expensive one and there’s no plan it’s [ __ ] man like why are we going to go to the stadium and pay our money and then be thrown [ __ ] in our face by stupid reporters who tell
Us [ __ ] man like the team sucks the transfers suck there’s no plan there’s no plan like Alves brought some good players he brought some bandad you know he’s like trying his best over here but Jesus Christ man this club has not been anything it’s been like a dead body for almost two years
You can’t have have people you know passionate like let’s go to kadis skaki and support the guys like it it’s so bad it’s so so so bad guys I I’m just yeah I I don’t can I share actually what
I got a DM from somebody I won’t say his name but to kind of go along with what you were saying lro about like you know why do we spend why would we spend our money and you know when the product is
So bad and I had gotten a message from somebody and um and what he had said to me was alos for me was always my Escape work I can have really hard weeks at work but I always know on the weekend I
Have AOS for the last two years I now dread my weekend because normally I would look forward to liakos but now I know when I watch liakos the product on the field is going to be terrible and
I will be just as frustrated upset and stressed as I am when I go back to work it has now left me in an unhealthy Loop an unhealthy psychological Loop because the Escape I had from work is no longer
There and now I have I’ve had to find something else that will calm my stress from work yeah well it sounds like I wrote that message sound like I message and this is important this is really important like if they don’t understand this if they don’t understand this in the back office and
They’ve lost the plot completely because we we as fans like we we dedicate our time and our money to to this club because we love it this this this you know you might be having a bad day at work or
You might be having a bad a bad week but there’s always always a lios there’s always your team signings this and you know what in reality does this have real impact on our lives directly no but it makes us feel good it’s something that we have it’s something that that you have Community
You have people you meet you discuss around that’s what sports is for that’s why it’s so beautiful but then when the product is terrible and and it’s not giving you the good experiences that you need
That that are uplifting for you what’s the point what what’s the point to it and and they need to understand that like this isn’t just a you follow the club no matter what no matters who’s there that’s that’s not the Outlook you should have we’re not cheap we’re not [ __ ] cheap yeah we
Don’t just [ __ ] follow whatever and everyone says [ __ ] you if you don’t we we can have so much [ __ ] thrown in our face like before we say you know what like this is not right acceptable
You know what in most countries even with no fan band that Stadium would be empty that Stadium you think Nottingham Forest fans like whatever would deal with the [ __ ] we’ve gone through like as a club like they’d empty out that Stadium their Saving Grace was this guy Steve Cooper he figured
It out he went on a run and got them promoted like there was no reason you know there was no built plan like fiveyear plan that got naing and fors promoted they hit the manager and they rode
That to the lottery and I still think they’re just winging it you know they’re just winging it they’re just like [ __ ] it let’s figure it out and I don’t like I’m so disappoint like I shouldn’t say like I expect it but like just the organized fans like you guys have anything you
Know like aren’t you supposed to represent us you want to talk about the manager you want to talk about the club like we’ve just watched this thing deteriorate to [ __ ] and like the only time you’ll come out is probably to say like Carvajal will chase you with evil like dude what the [ __ ]
Man like you’re supposed to be the voice of like the fans this club and you’re leaving it to just like the randoms on Twitter to basically rant and like be the voice of people it’s just where have they been like they haven’t released a statement about like the football club and anything it’s
Just it’s just like a death spry role that feels like it’s never going to end like and maybe that’s a bit dramatic but like I seriously see a scenario like I’m where Kosta is where I’m just like the it
Could be a hundred years and there’s like rumors like olos like is not financially solvent like there’s issues at the club finances are in trouble blah blah blah yeah like and then and then we eat
Kuas in the face man like one of the most I don’t want to get sued so I’m not gonna say anything but just like it’s like on top of that it’s like enjoy coas man like enjoy coas like representing
Your club like who wants to defend kuas man like who wants to be like that’s my guy I love that guy you guys want that guy representing o BOS like as a foot as fans you want that guy speaking
On behalf of you like I asked you guys in the comments like I think there’s a lot of people in the country who support the club who are happy with him there but like I find it so disgraceful
Like I don’t want to slander the man’s name and end up being sued but I’m just so disappointed in what this club has become so lro I’m I’m with you man I every everything you just said I agree with
And and and one thing I’ll add on to that as well like while we’re talking about because I know in the past there’s been talk about like oh no the people don’t want to come because there’s other
Factors involved that’s why they’re not coming to the stadium but for me the proof is in the pudding with bonath Nikos bonath AOS couldn’t get anybody in the stadium for years look look at what yovanovich did they fil they they sell out aaka they haven’t they hadn’t done that in a decade are
You kidding me these guys couldn’t get 10,000 fans to come to a game ever now they’re selling out the stadium doesn’t matter where they play because they put a good product on the field and there’s
A vision there was a vision sure tarim I don’t rate tarim as much as I do yvanovich but guess what he brought in a couple of names he’s getting results even if it’s ugly he’s getting people
There and they’re filling the they are filling the stadium that’s how you fill the stadium there’s no there’s no conspiracy about it there’s no economic condition this or that that has an impact always but good product brings people simple as that Vision plan trust that’s it that’s it there’s
None of that at this club like what are what are we talking about I’m yeah Kosta you have any opinion honestly man I don’t know what more to add at this stage like okay let’s go positive like
Because there’s going to be people like how does the club turn it around literally how do they turn it around well and people aren’t going to like me saying this but you you have one or you have one
Of two choices you either bring in iaza let him finish the season or you’re stick with kajal to the end of the season you just brought all of his guys in even if many of them are loans but
You start planning from today and you plan for next season you just begin planning you start the hunt early you know car AAL whether you fire him or not at this moment is not going to be there and you start planning from now you make a comprehensive plan you have six months
Or what’s we’re in February sorry you have four months until the end of January four and a half months five months we’ll say till July you have a lot of time to put together a comprehensive plan
Who you’re going to bring in whatever and then that’s step one you make the plan figure out who you’re going to bring bring them in plan plan two figure out how in God’s name you’re going to learn to have some [ __ ] patience because if you’re going to do all this planning and get
Somebody in here just to B him off after a month if he loses one game you lost the whole point of the whole thing so that’s that’s how you do it you make a plan and you trust the plan you trust your
[ __ ] plan you stick with it otherwise we’re gonna end up in the same disaster so that’s it you have two Cho and you got to figure out I you know what’s so crazy is like the incompetence to let your players get to the point where they can negotiate for each transfers like anyone
Who plays football manager knows that like you don’t let your footballers get to six months left on a contract never because now you’re competing and they can offer signing bonuses and so we got to figure out who we’re bringing back in July too because we need we need people
At this point we need bodies bad forun elab the whole lot of them you got to figure it out I said it earlier in the show um the club’s got to bring in a proper manager and they have to do
It now like they have to know who it is already they they’ve got to be talking to people now for next season this season’s over this season’s over they try and save whatever they can uh I think they need to already start thinking about next season and start um start making making some
God forbid strategic decisions uh especially with some of the youngsters that have been talked about we talked about gas mtis um Midfield is looking a bit packed now to be fair um but you’ve got to
Bring something into this team like to give some sort of Hope to fans that there is something to look forward to next season um I can’t see I can’t see for example this is why I insist on
The youth thing I can’t see for example like Costas and young players getting invited to go to preseason like normally and this is like we don’t I don’t know exactly what happened this summer with Costas because there was talk about him going to preseason with midis but neither
Of them went midis had an injury um like gas I don’t like we don’t know what happened but there was some talk that basically the new coach like Martinez came in and said it’s like I don’t know
Who that is like I need to go with the like the adults and like I’ll see about that later which I kind of get yeah but you could argue the club said the club should have told him before like
We have this young player in our Academy he’s a [ __ ] star like you need you’re taking him it’s a tough one it’s a tough one guys um like I feel very strongly about the academy point that we need
To start playing some of those players already and [ __ ] these loans like honestly would it surprise you guys if nar’s loan got cut like a month from now nothing surprises me anymore like exactly it’s like at this point like nothing nothing surprises me but like I’m I’m trying I’m trying so hard
To find something positive to say like about where do we go from here that’s oh I forgot one I forgot one so first one I said you pick your choice whether you keep kahal or bringing IBA
Gaza finish second was you learned how to have patience and number three is you learn how to actually communicate with the fans no more bull no more [ __ ] no more propaganda you and and I’m not
Saying you have to directly say guy oh by the way guys this is what we’re doing in the office today like that kind of crap no you do it how most of these professional organizations do like in the
US or in the UK like with like like in the United States like you have franchises are they are they telling you everything they’re doing no but they make it very clear like nope we’re we’re putting
This team together we’re restarting a project we want this this this this and this boom that’s the goal we’re gonna we’re we’re trying to focus for this and then we’re going to go here you just we
Just need to know that there is a plan because there’s not how do you like look what Arsenal did with Mikel artetta when he came right people were upset they didn’t know what was going on
And they signaled to everybody they signaled no the goal is we’re going to build here we have a three-year plan we’re not expecting anything this year next year but we have holes to fill we’re going to fill the holes like this and depending on what oura sees and then the third year we’re
We’re pushing for this you you have to be you can’t be afraid to do that you have to do that some way some way some way to be just just be some kind of transparency it doesn’t matter to
Me they’re too proud man and that’s it but this the cabal and vzo signings are like the purest example of what is wrong with this club it’s like the when you signed it like people were so excited
And were pissed at us for our like Downer tweets and it’s just like you don’t understand we’re like we’re down on the players sure but it’s a greater represent representation of what is so [ __ ] wrong with the club right that’s that’s the issue and I I don’t know what to say like
Also so l they screwed man like I it’s crazy that guy like who who are we kidding like what youngster are they going to play Man they’ve never never done anything like they’ve never done anything with a young player it’s
Just I I swear it’s just impossible it’s just impossible to to see hope at the end and it’s and I got [ __ ] on for being negative for so long like I I’m just you know it’s so disappointing
Like it’s so I I don’t know I it’s frustrating I don’t know guys just dropped the link in theat is just gonna be so disappointing if he signs for a free somewhere in like the Netherlands
I’m with you I agree with that guys we just dropped the link into the chat by the way if you want to come have a chat with us so that we’re not just the only ones talking hit the link uh English Greek Spanish French whatever language you speak also question God question
Like should some people be fired who haven’t been fired yet is that like K Bay I know is like just like a freaking why can’t we fire him like I I I just want to fire him like he’s been through all
Of the [ __ ] like what is he what is his role is he the club’s Ambassador strategic something isn’t he like a strategic well his strategy’s been [ __ ] man like fire him like he should be gone man why is he complet immune to all of this [ __ ] like it’s crazy you know yeah
It’s just so disappointing like I’m just thinking back to Marcelo as well just so disappointing so disappointing yeah I gotta be the club’s M yeah it’s yeah it’s it’s Bleak man it it’s Bleak it’s worse than last season it’s like
Worse than last season I think this is worse than hzy this is wor as far as I’m concerned this wor this much worse than Hy like at least you had Marco maen back then baby let that guy
Cook he yeah am I right um well chakis is out of contract guys yeah that’s why Bento was much better than this as well like Bento beat that Turkish team and took us to bik even though
We lost yeah I want to shout out John Moretti 17 years old Greek living abroad followed from afar but started properly watching olago the last two years at least we still have basketball man I feel sorry for if you only started watching two years ago yeah you you miss you missed the golden
Years mate but uh but you’re right it’s at least we still have basketball that’s enjoyable to watch but thank you for joining John Mor and everybody else that’s with us tonight aw hit the like button if you haven’t done already it’s pathetic amount of likes for the amount of people that have come
Through it doesn’t take you long time um we did drop a link as well for people to join we’ll drop it again I actually see somebody’s here already oh we have somebody bring them on oh I have to do
That unreal all right we’ve got Alexander elgazar how you doing buddy uh not no well like all of us even got the flag and the jacket on God damn it I feel bad it’s my dorm I even have
Look I even have a a miniature oh my God like how can I this and you look everywhere you wake up in the morning you look at the flag I made where are you tun from ROM very nice so share with us give us a little bit of your thoughts we’ll make it
Like simpler so you have a line of thought you can talk about are you keeping Carvajal do you switch for ibba Gaza what would you do if you are ownership of liakos what’s your what would you do in this situation I mean honestly I think changing coach now is just indifferent
To our situation like um I I honestly think iaza maybe would be our best solution he know he knows the DNA of the club um but again I think just changing coach is a short-term solution right
Now and the problem is just way way bigger than that it’s always been for the last two seasons well what would you do then okay we’ll say you keep gval what what are your next what
Are you doing in this point I think the academy points a really good one um Al gimba certainly and cula’s brothers you know we have nothing to lose if we if we promote them and and play them every club and you know every Club every club’s doing it why can’t we do it
You know I don’t understand I think after we go out in Europe there’s nothing to lose the rest of the season because Aris won’t catch us Jesus Christ I hope they catch us I Jesus Christ scrap that like with this club um right so it’s only like there seven points
Behind us we have we won a derby All Season no no we we won the vik that was the only one I don’t even know if call the Derby from wish you know it’s like the shitty [Laughter] Derby God what do you think of our business in the transfer market in
January you know I saw someone wrote it on Instagram as well today like instead of bringing three or four really quality permanent signings we brought in you know most of them were loans we brought in cabal and Ruben vzo you know those types of players
Which you know it’s it’s it’s it’s the problem we we we do we do this every transfer window we bring in I wrote in the CH as well but we bring in eight or nine players every transfer
Window hoping that one or two of them will stick yeah and then one of them sticks and then we the others leave and then another eight come in and it’s just cycling just it’s not a sustainable way of of being a football club yeah little spoiler from the scouting report for vzo
My conclusion with him is he’s a solution to a problem we don’t have just FYI he has he has court challeng but like I hopefully he’s the one that’s going that’s going to stick it’s wishful thinking
Yeah the culas brothers that’s the like every every week on Instagram I see videos of what they do in their in the B team and I question every single time why are they not being promoted to
The first team or getting at least if this were the P International podcast we’d be talking about them because they’d already be on the the team If This Were P I guarantee you that they yeah P
Honestly like like look at Zima look at obviously Cadia jolis I don’t want to say but like in terms of of bringing their giving opportunities to their young Talent they’re they’re number one in Greece yeah you can say that yeah I they’re doing something right for sure they really are
They really are oh man the Lobby’s packing up here look we actually have volunteers to talk doesn’t usually happen Alex where are you from originally I’m half Greek half Egyptian okay are you born
Abroad or you’re like from GRE the yeah I was born in the US but then I lived in Egypt and Greece my whole life basically and now I’m studing yes yes where where in the US are you from uh North
Carolina it’s very ROM nice nice oh that’s awesome Charlotte near the Charlotte area uh Wilmington Wilmington I used to be down in that area all the time yeah I I was born there and then straight
Away I just moved right after I was born so yeah that’s crazy what a what a small world well Alex thank you so much for joining us uh thank you guys bring on the next person seems people want
To join today but thank you so much for thank you for being a part of the community than you okay up next looks like we have audio only for this one this is this is this Adis Gattis because I see aies a s yes can you hear this is you what’s going on
Buddy okay uh guys thanks you’re the after every disaster that we have gone through last years if things eventually start going well please keep listening to us yeah of course I will and yeah more that nevertheless uh I just wanted
To ask you uh I have written a lot of comments nevertheless I mean uh what do you think about the management uh the ownership is dealing with the team it’s not exactly that they have done the best things theer was good nevertheless even
Afterwards marinakis has not made the best decision in my opinion it’s like he had coach like Martin uh Portuguese not Sil Silva this guys to cover the team made some good decisions and uh they brought people around them that could work out the whole manage
Finances the club also it seems like without this kind of coaches that there is no possibility that the team has uh any way forward with the ownership yeah can I take this yeah go for it I think I think also a lot of people forget about
The marinakis era at oakos was dominated by the financial crisis is that fair to say like you had ponos and chambles you had Ike relegated you Odis was not a thing really so you had P was basically
The essential rival and they never were that rival until you know liesu came along and blah blah blah and a lot of those titles I I think he got away with a lot of this [ __ ] because you know there
Was no one to compete with us and and we had money from the Champions League that covered the cracks of the situation really well and I think that’s also something to think like maybe some of some of
Those teams that we thought about were so great we so great because we had the money from the champions league and the rest of the country was in such Dire Straits you know it’s um interrupt
Goad go ahead my friend go go sorry sorry for the interruption but it’s I’m a little bit older so I remember go ahead I became way before Mar so I I heard the same argument for Calis
Was that every other team was TR that was true even before the Marinis era even in K era the Marin was that BR in that he trusted Calis brought only B that he trusted and every in this context uh how can you the current situation with managers
Directors I’ll let the older guys take this one how about that so Aris I’ll I’ll tell you also so there’s a couple things here and not all of not one of them in particular is necessarily the reason I guess maybe for the difference but we also have to remember
Before before Pedro Martin marakis was not acting that much different than he is now we were still changing coaches almost every season Michelle was here a season and a half before he left but we were like you had you had you know when minis came in we
Had uh Ernesto Val for two seasons but then we zarde in out gone uh the season after zarde who who’s after zarde yeah you know we we were still changing coaches us andon their with mon against the Saudi Arabian man same thing right after after
Karan I didn’t hear what you said you cut out at the end it’s sound because is going to do great things but also did look that that I agree with you with I I I I really liked when we brought on
Cbon but unfortunately the context aside he needed to come sooner but the the whole the whole point is that the the more we go on here we start to see that Pedra Martin like that era that four-year era fouryear plus is seeming like to be more the exception than the rule because even
Before this Mighty NES we were changing coaches every season and a half like if we had a good like Val was two seasons Melle season and a half like we weren’t we didn’t have a lot of stability
Before him and then even in the goalis era who who did we have that stayed more than a couple Seasons bovich I’m trying to think of a coach I’m trying to think of a coach that stayed
Here more than like two presas I mean Leon okay there you go thank you go okay about caretaker coaches right the point is that should we actually have a manager if it is not the best
But kind of is getting there like valver when he joined our team he was not the best manag man Barcelona bilau and all the teams that he so many things he Achi so many with us is the
Best example but was in the first season that was not good from but he showed up football that we really love to look we knew that we could build up from there shouldn’t we focus as a team and there f for those managers of asking to transfer and transfer
Again yes you’re you’re right yes but you the second part of that is not just getting that paying that you have to have the patience because no coach is going to be perfect through a season our problem is that since Pedro Martins we we stayed with Pedro Martin so long and then we
Stuck with him even when we there was a noticeable Decline and we let it go to a point where we got embarrassed by makabi hia that then has created this like PTSD of holding someone too long and
We’re afraid to let people fail in the short term that’s that’s the problem you have to have patience too that’s the problem we said at one point that it is better to keep Martin instead of the Portuguese iagree with Portuguese in that conversation the comment better bring ibasa from
The academy but think need to change because Martinez and Coran left Martinez there was no future in that relationship cordone you mean nevertheless think cordone sorry yeah right now thinking of what happened have better to keep even Martins would it be better to keep Martins instead of change to Da Martinez project but
Because jumped boat in a couple of months and then we change management into some guys that don’t really care about what is happening except for the agents they are talking to in Portugal so I I’ll start I’ll start answering that question with the following so regarding Pedro Martins
The problem for me wasn’t the firing of Pedro Martins it was when he was fired if you were going to leave with Pedro if you’re going to fire Pedro Martins you have to fire him at the
Beginning of the Season you leave on a high he’s four years here he’s a legend the last season was in Decline you Embrace a new project but we didn’t we stayed with him we waited till
It got so bad after he had lost the locker room after he had clearly lost the plot period and he goes and he loses to makabi H now at that point we were all so upset we wanted him to leave but
In hindsight if you had already started and brought in the pieces he wanted in like the the ziner noggles uh I don’t remember if pep was his or C Bon’s I think it was C Bon’s signing yeah
Um but you know you you started to bring pieces that he wanted in and for me once you start to give somebody what they’re asking for and you start bringing Assets in you have you have to stay the course otherwise you’re just wasting money and they end up firing him they bring in
Gbon we expect gbon to fix the mess that he made and gbon tries to bring his guys in we give gbon a month and then he’s out too so for me with what I with what I’ve seen now and what
I once you keep martines you keep him unless it becomes a disaster it was too bad speaking to players like there was no saving martines there right exactly and that was the problem that’s why
They got rid of him the locker room was gone you know if if if there wasn’t locker room issues you stick with him but there was unfortunately it was they would play for him anymore he was so toxic in
This case I agree with you so what is the what is the reasoning of bringing in a Portuguese manager afterwards Oh you mean Maris was went to Mendes you know Mar nakis brought Mendes back into the circle because yeah because essentially he went back to Mendes who supported him getting Nuno
Spirito Santo at Forest and brought him Raina as well to Forest and brought him players because I think oos was we we saw it this summer we struggled so hard to bring players all summer and in the end I don’t think without Mendes we bring horta we bring in Carmo we bring in
Obviously the deal was he’s going to bring us these players but he’s also going to bring us maybe a few stinkers you know like a few L I can understand what you’re saying okay the problem the problem is not breaking in players we have so many players wasted I know I’m with
You I’m just explaining the logic and that I think was their logic not my logic that’s my yeah no we we disagree with that’s not a logic that’s Insanity that’s the logic the logic is insanity like that’s it is insanity that’s yeah yeah yeah okay so should we not so and
Players we care more about what is going to happen in the other management of the team I mean marinakis he’s okay as old as me he’s old he does not he had when he was younger shouldn’t he start trusting some more competent people than the people that have run into club
Now that’s a question we don’t have the answer to my friends we don’t like I wish I knew what was going on in that man’s head honestly but like I don’t think that’s something that we can we
Can really say anything about like also if you if you remember do you remember the press conference this season go like la like this summer going he was like last season wasn’t as bad as a lot of
People made it out to me do you remember that you remember when he said that he was like he said that he was he was like it wasn’t so bad the med curious at what I was hearing yeah you
Said that the press conference was insane he was like a few bad results there like people overblue it the fans and media over blew it blah blah blah but then he was like nevertheless like blah blah blah but it was like the fact that he didn’t realize how horrific last season was where
I was a bit worried I was like oh [ __ ] yeah yeah lambrose I usually disagree with you but on this one you’re absolutely correct thank you that press conference told me that this is going man I I think we’ve also talked about on the podcast when martial and I went to the stadium
And talked um with uh players specifically alabi and he told us he was like they brought in so many random guys on loan like this is a disaster waiting to happen basically what he said he was just like yeah this he was like I don’t understand the strategy here they got rid of
They got rid of Val buan MVA which is fine they can do that but like they replace them with loans and with Band-Aids and there’s no leadership in the team and the problem with a lot of the loan
Players they brought the moment they didn’t start playing they were going to throw a fit and anyway you just knew something horrible was in the the pipes let’s say you know it was something was coming and when speaking with him my other problem L my other problem I mean on the pit we
Have leadersh we have masas have several guys from Academy yeah let’s say even is from the academy even though went the say how we say he paid his ju do is from a lot of from the academy that can come in bring their Spirit into the team that is why when um discussion
Whether when Gan left him alone IA was a good choice at that point because the season was lost anyway the project the summer was completely lost in Coran ownership should understand this they’re I honestly I think they’re so they’re so in water they’re like they’re underwater let’s
Say of their own demise almost to an extent but I also think no one expected naam Forest to get promoted and what that entailed um I don’t think they were they had plans for what a promotion
Meant and I think that’s also it’s it’s bad you know people don’t like us talking about not in him Force so much but they’re unfortunately the two things are interl and I think after they got promoted you know it’s been a disaster since they got promoted as well on for us I don’t
Think that’s a complete surprise as well well foram Forest because struggling to remain in the first division in England well that was the thing remember forest forest got promoted because they had how bad they are yeah but they they didn’t have their own players that summer right they
Loaned synchron Nogle they loaned the striker they loaned Joe Garner was that his name they loaned in the fullback you know they didn’t have their own players basically promoting them and then Eng so it was just like a complete like you would know better but like no one thought they would get
Promoted and there was no plan after they got promoted you know it was like holy [ __ ] we just got promoted we have a ton of money we need players now okay I I will say also the
The behavior can bring who can bring a BL who do you think can bring a plan in the team can bring what who can actually make uh our team marinaki is greater group with Portugal and future Italy
This things work out in your opinion yeah or do we need to just change ownership in order to become a team again listen multi the multi- ownership group model the reason so many people
Are trying to do it is because it does work but there’s a plan that has to be in place you have to have a cyclical flow between clubs it’s it can work but you can’t you can’t run things on a whim
And right now this club is kind of run like the way a gambling addict when he’s in when he’s in like Las Vegas he starts losing but then he goes oh okay I’ll win everything back if I make this
Move and then you lose okay you know what I I’m gonna go take a loan off my credit card and I’m going to put all on black because if I win this I’ll get all that money back but then
You end up losing and now you’re in a hole even further and that’s like kind of what it feels like here so um I’ll leave I’ll leave you guys with that because I’m gonna sign off I do have
To leave but it’s look it’s not whatever they decide it’s it’s not going to be easy like the road to recovery from this unfortunately it’s long nothing is coming from this season unless a miracle happens we’re not winning conference league and as as right now the way it sounds
We’re not even going to have a European spot that’s that’s the way that’s that’s the way I’m looking at it here so uh we could win the cup man AIS could win the cup they’re in the final essentially who do they play Panos in the semi-final yeah yeah Panos in the semi-final so
Yeah anyway man it’s one match of football if AIS win in the final oh I’m taking Pano passing being passed over but like it’s a flip of the coin you know Adis could win the final
And we’re out of Europe that’s how dire it could be yeah so exactly so it like the situation so you have to right right like last year we got Europa League because yeah exactly yeah you’re absolutely right you’re absolutely right and we got lucky with it anyway yeah so guys that’s
That’s it for me so I’ll leave you I’ll just leave you with that it’s a long road to recovery we’re always going to be here for you as let’s wrap it up and let’s wrap it up yeah let’s wrap it
Up no no worries join thank you for part anticipate in no alwayss even if you don’t agree with me all right boys it’s uh it is time to wrap it up there’s no man of the match coach
Is great we lost FS all around as far as I’m concerned I didn’t even watch the game I feel like I said it I didn’t even I didn’t even watch the game I just like the the comment you read
By the text message of like the team bringing depression like it was a beautiful day today I was just like I’m I’m not doing this today I’m not doing this again I saw the lineup have to
Take that put it on socials later Goa using the C thing for for that text message comment anyway guys unless you have anything else uh we’re going to close it up here lro Costa anything at least
Martial was on tonight anyway yeah oh French uh keep your eye out on socials coming very soon we can say this now officially merch just keep an eye out fun stuff’s cominging merchandise is coming please it is it is like we’re we’re there we’re there now it’s within sight very
Shortly uh roll outs will be coming soon we’re really pumped to share that with literally a cooler you can buy a cooler for the beach with our little little spoiler Goa told you guys you
Weren’t ready put a lot there’s a lot of work that went into this put a lot work well yeah it’s it’s I I hope you guys like it so check it out uh anywh who guys we’ll we’ll be back
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You two are crybabies taking shots at Panathinaikos
If you don't like it DONT watch you clown
You are a beacon of reason.
Another season down the drain. Before the playoffs we will have a new coach, in May we will kick out half the team and by September we will sign another 20 new players. The same again and again. It's just so frustrating ☹️
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