@grimmlifecollective joins us in the Crypt for Episode 10, unveiling their journey from early struggles to iconic moments at horror conventions, and their ventures into the grim side of culture across the globe. Join us as we explore their artistic process, the emotional toll of delving into true crime, and their encounters with the paranormal. We’ll discuss the difficulties of covering cases like Ted Bundy, Michael’s harrowing near-death encounter, and a haunting glimpse of a real apparition. Afterlife theories, ghostly experiences, the magic of movies / filming locations, eerie adventures, and more!
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00:00 – Intro
01:29 – Destined Paths, How Michael & Jessica Met
03:54 – The Essence of Grimmlife Collective: The Travel Channel of Horror
05:18 – Tracing the Roots of Fear, exploring where Michael and Jessica’s fascination with fear began
09:28 – RL Stine’s Mysterious Gift to Michael and Jessica
12:02 – The early days: How Grimmlife started as a blog and transitioned to YouTube
13:40 – How Jessica became an integral part of Grimmlife Collective
15:50 – You never get used to being on camera
18:45 – One-Take Wonders: The Grimmlife Filming Process and Michael’s Computer Brain
23:49 – How Michael and Jessica Collaborate on Ideas
29:05 – Jessica wasn’t always Grimmlife’s co-host, “the nitty gritty”
31:57 – Overcoming challenges and almost quitting: The early struggles of starting a channel
35:29 – A Full-Circle Moment, Bridging the gap of the internet and horror conventions
36:59 – From interviewing celebs at horror cons, to being first YouTubers at conventions
40:11 – Exploring dark travels and history: The grim side of culture in the U.S. and abroad
43:36 – A mysterious trip to a German town that doesn’t exist and visiting the Nosferatu (1922) filming locations
48:12 – Keeping content fresh and the challenges of recreating movie magic
53:46 – Stanley Kubrick built an exact replica of The Ahwahnee for The Shining
55:12 – Addressing Shelley Duvall Controversy and Producing a new horror film “The Forest Hills”
1:01:42 – Getting kicked out of locations
1:07:08 – The delicate balance of exploring sensitive locations and where to draw the line
1:14:46 – Discussing the emotional toll of covering cases like Ted Bundy’s
1:20:09 – The complexities of covering sensitive murder cases like Ed Gein and Albert Fish
1:23:07 – Do Michael and Jessica believe in the paranormal? Insights from real experiences.
1:27:41 – Ghostly encounters and the history behind Grimmlife’s ghost tours
1:32:00 – The Haunting of The Old Sorrel Weed House, Michael shows a photo of him with a real apparition
1:33:23 – Questioning the validity of ghost stories and what it takes to believe
1:36:10 – Modern ghost hunting shows and their authenticity
1:40:01 – Jessica opens up about her sensitivity to paranormal activity
1:44:05 – Michael’s Near Death Experience and Insane Ghost Story
1:50:31 – Contemplating the afterlife: Theories and beliefs
1:54:45 – The Functionality of Horror – Lovecraft vs. King
1:58:32 – Michael almost became a catholic priest but was kicked out of the church
2:01:15 – Grimmlife Hits Hollywood – Moving to LA, when this became a real career
2:14:11 – LA’s Impact on Grimmlife Collective
2:19:37 – Richard Ramirez causes Michael and Jessica to change their residence
2:24:03 – Identifying the moment Grimmlife’s channel ascended to new heights
2:26:24 – Horror’s Inner Circle, Entering the Convention Scene, and Dealing With Inner Politics of the Industry
2:30:35 – The Grimmlife Philosophy, Embracing the Dark
2:36:29 – Outro
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Hello, Creeps! It’s your old pal, The Crypt Keeper – and you are now tuned in to my good fiends at Talks from The Crypt, the most gruesome podcast in the world. Grimm Life Collective joining us in The Crypt today. Yes. How amazing is it to see
You guys in here. I’ve been watching your guys’ videos nonstop. I’ve been a fan for a while, but in prep for the show, I’ve been watching you guys nonstop for the last month, and it’s kind of crazy to see you guys both here. We’re so sorry. You took
The deep dive. Yeah. Rabbit hole. Exactly. It’s funny, back in the day, at the start of the channel, I used to tell people whenever they would do things like that, I was like, “Well, listen, if you’re gonna do that, make sure you’re either drunk or
High because they get weird the further back you go.” Or to invite your grandmother. We just threw that in randomly one time and it stuck. Oh yeah, invite your grandmother. Always watch with your grandmother. Yeah. You wanna make her feel included. Grandmother’s appreciate Grimm Life Collective.
They do actually. Yes. Well, let me ask you guys. So before we get into everything you guys are doing now and what the channel has turned into, I kind of just wanna rewind. Let’s talk a little bit about the origins, how everything started. And I know it’s a bit of a
Tired story, but how did you guys meet? Because I think you guys are a match made in heaven. So I’m very good at telling the short story, and she’s very good at telling the long story. I tell a long
Story? You tell a long story, yeah. Do I? I feel that’s very short. I got it down packed. Okay, let me hear your version. So basically, this is how it worked. So for years, I’m talking like seven years,
I knew of Jessica, she knew of me. Yes, we were friends. We never met, we never talked on the phone, we just knew each other on social media. And one day, she just disappeared, I haven’t heard from her. And I didn’t think much of it because we were never
Talking, we never met, so it was just kind of like, oh… We weren’t besties yet. So one day, I’m living in Savannah, Georgia, and I’m doing ghost tours, and in the middle of a paranormal investigation, I’m sitting behind the command center and I get an email from her saying,
“Hey, I’m sorry, I haven’t talked to you in a long time. I was in a bad relationship, it kept me from talking to other men. I’m not in that relationship anymore. But I just wanna reach out and say, hey, I appreciate our friendship.” So I was like,
“Okay, cool.” And she’ll get more into this, but eventually… That was Halloween. No, not the email, no. The email was not Halloween. So the email was a little bit before Halloween. Yes. But on Halloween, we actually talked for the first time, actually like voice and video.
I think so, yeah. Yeah. And… Or like the day before, something like that. So that was October 31st. We met for the first time on Christmas. Like Christmas Eve Eve. Yeah, I asked her to marry me that day. Christmas Eve. First time ever meeting her. Yes. And then February 14th,
She moved in. May 1st, we were married. And we’ve been inseparable ever since. Now, does it kind of piss you guys off that May 1st isn’t also a holiday? No. I looked it up. The day before May is Witches Day or something like that. Maple Day. May 1st. May… Yeah. It’s
A holiday for witches. The day before? The day before May 1st. Yeah. Yeah. Well, how fitting, on May 1st? Yeah, I mean, it’s Labor Day in the Philippines on May 1st, so it doesn’t really count. I can’t remember what it’s called. Yeah, I think it’s called May Day. But it has
A history to witches, which is kind of fitting because we got married and in Savannah. So let’s just say for the uninitiated. I mean, the few people who probably haven’t seen your channel, what kind of description could we give newcomers? Let’s just describe the spirit of you guys’ channel
To new people. So we travel the world visiting real life horror locations. And back in the early days of Grimm Life, and I’ve… It’s odd, I haven’t really said this in a long time, but when it comes to horror, especially real life horror… We visit filming locations, famous graves, true crime spots, anything
That has a darker nature. But back in the early days of Grimm Life, I used to tell people that… Things that people wanted to forget because they were horrifying, we try to respectfully remember them, if that makes sense. Yeah. You know what I mean? Whether it’s a true crime or
Somebody who passed away that was in pop culture, it’s… Or Jeffrey Dahmer, the death… Where all of that happened, they completely bulldozed the apartment, but we would go and tell the story to just try to shed some light on it in a respectful kind
Of way to everybody involved. The short version is people started calling us the travel channel of horror. Ye. I talk a lot. No, no, no. That’s fine. That’s exactly what we need. My question is, is like, so how old were you guys when you
Realized you were into all this kind of stuff? Was it… Really early. Most of us start out pretty young, yeah. So let’s detail a little bit of your first exposure. Jessica, let’s start with you, your first exposure to understanding that you have a bit of a fear.
Fascination, you have a fascination with the dark side of life. My earliest memories are kind of that way. I don’t know if this correlates into that really, because I didn’t have a self awareness until I was well into my teens and I didn’t
Understand that there was a horror culture and that sort of thing, and that my interest actually fit into something. I just liked what I liked, and other people kind of sort of liked the same things or they didn’t. It was no big deal. But when I was in kindergarten,
Is one of the first things that I remember aside from Halloween, everybody loved Halloween when you were a kid, but I loved it ’cause it was spooky, and I remember this was one of the first stable memories as well. I was maybe five years old in Kindergarten,
And it was our very first library experience, and you’re led into this massive library and it’s like, “Okay, go find something.” And as a kid, you’re like, “I don’t know what to go look up.” And they’re like, “Well, what interests you?”
It’s like… And I don’t know why, but my… The very first book that I ever checked out of the library, I went straight to it, was vampires. Vampires? Vampires. What about you? Man, oh, man. I don’t know where it’s really started. I do remember one of my earliest memories
When it came to horror, when I was little, like little, little. I always wanted to be a writer, and I wanted to write stories. And the very first short story that I ever wrote was about a family that… A family that went to Niagara falls and they went out on this balcony
Overlooking the falls and it collapsed and they all died. And I was really young and I wrote this and my dad was like, “What the hell is this?” And I don’t know where that came from, but that’s the earliest darkness that I can remember, even before I saw
My first horror movie. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I don’t… Yeah. So you were writing more before you even got into it? Writing horror before I even really discovered horror, yeah. Interesting. I can’t even remember what my first horror movie was ’cause I think
They’ve always been there. But I know that some of my earliest and is not considered a horror movie, but The Dark Crystal, we talk about this on the channel all time, people know it’s one of my movie obsessions. And when you look back on that as a
Kid, especially when it came out in 1982, that’s a dark movie. Everything about it is dark. And I remember growing up and looking back regarding your question, I grew up heavy on comics and all that sort of stuff, and any time I saw something that was darker,
I was immediately more drawn to that than anything else, but it never again clicked that I was as a horror girl or really into horror, I just… It’s what I liked. It feels like that doesn’t really click until we get older. Yeah. Because when we’re younger, it doesn’t seem like
Kids are too worried about aesthetics or social status, so they’re just into what they’re into naturally. It doesn’t really turn into an actual hobby or a label until we get older. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. Tennis. That was good. I’m just taking it in. Like, I love the
Fact that we’re sitting here talking about horror. Not just like Grimm Life, but just like origins of it. Everybody has a story. And really, when it comes to what we do on the channel and what you do, is just telling stories. You know what I mean? Yeah.
And it just… I think it’s cool. I think it’s cool. Much respect. Thank you. ‘Cause it’s like, also I know that just because we’re married and we know facts about each other, that we both also grew up on RL Stine’s Fear Street. And I don’t know how long
Those are out, but I can remember being at least eight or nine years old and picking up those books when they came out. So I was probably already reading them for a little while before I was conscious of, oh, I wanna pick those up. I didn’t know they
Were a continual thing. So I think for both of us, it really did start kind of young. Speaking of RL Stine. We have a cool RL Stine story for you. Oh, please do. These stories make for the best footage. So we’re living in Savannah, Georgia. Completely off
Topic here, I guess. I don’t know, but… Alright, we have a… What I consider a pretty compressive autograph collection. We’re autograph hounds. We do conventions, we reach out to different people, but one of the very first autographs we got was of RL Stine. And he wasn’t really doing any kind of shows,
We were living in Savannah, Georgia, and I reached out to him on his website and I was like, “Hey, do you guys… You do autographs?” And didn’t hear anything back. So I tracked him down on social media, and I responded to him… I reached out to him, asking if he
Would, and he said he’d love to. I just send it to him. I was like, “Alright, that’s kind of cool.” So I sent… We created this really nice like 8 x 10 of goosebumps from the mask, or he’s sitting there with… The guy with the mask from the
TV show, and it says goosebumps. And we sent it out and weeks go by, months go by. We forgot about it completely. We forgot about it. We moved. Yeah… Out of state. We moved from Florida to… Savanna to Florida. Yeah, from Savanna to Florida.
And all of a sudden, I get this message on Facebook. And I was like, “Okay, I don’t know who the heck this is by reading it.” And I was like, “Oh, my God.” The lady that moved into our apartment in Savannah, Georgia after we left
Got a package from RL Stine, and she was losing her mind. She’s like, “Is this really from RL Stine?” And I was like, “Yeah.” She’s like, “Do you want me to send it to you?” I’m like, “Yeah.” Please. So she wanted to keep it? Right.
Right. Yeah. But can you imagine one day at your house you get a package showing up at your doorstep from R. L. Stine? Yeah, that is crazy. So you said you sent him something and asked for it and he just was cool enough to send it back.
Yeah, so I reached out… I was like, “Hey, I’d like an autograph. Can I send you something?” He said, “Yeah.” So we shipped it off and then months later he shipped it back. We’ve already moved. And this random lady who knows who RL Stine is gets it on
Her package and she’s afraid to open it, and she reaches out to us. And in today’s day and age, a lot of people, they probably would have kept it, but she was nice enough to reach out to us and she might’ve thought it was
A curse book. Yeah, exactly. So. I wonder what RL Stine could have sent to this abandoned apartment. Right. Yeah. So Grimm Life started as like a blog, right? And initially, it was a blog? Yes. And so what was the push over to you YouTube… Well,
First, before we even talk about the push over to YouTube, what type of stuff were you guys covering in the blog? Man, I remember sitting in a living room in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, sleeping on a living room of a friend’s house, creating the website and buying the domain for grimmlifecollective.com.
I remember like that clear as day. And this goes back to wanting to be a writer. You know, I wanted to write about travel, but I didn’t wanna write, this is what it’s like to go to this island, like travel magazine. I wanted something spooky,
But there was nothing out there. Yeah. So I came up with this great idea to just kind of do it myself, visit these places, take pictures, write about it, and put it on the website, the Grimm Life Collective. So it was almost like an internet magazine
At first, right? And I was traveling all over the country and nobody was reading it. I was like, okay, I don’t care. I’m still gonna do it. And then YouTube really started to become really, really popular. It was already doing its thing and there were other
People traveling and documenting their videos. And I was like, you know what? Nobody’s want… Reading anything and maybe they want to watch it. So I started doing these like daily vlogs when I was living in Atlanta, Georgia. Some of the worst things ever.
And it just kind of took off and it just started slowly growing into what it is today. So at what point did you become a part of the show, Jessica? Like how far along was Grimm Life a thing? Pretty much as soon as we were a couple.
It was something that I kind of, sort of knew that he did. I wasn’t really aware of it. We met through social media, so I already knew that he had similar interests to mine. We talked about horror movies, but we talked about really nerdy stuff like Elvira
Pinball machines ’cause that’s what the first… I went back on Instagram and found our very first interaction. It was on Instagram. He had posted something about the Elvira pinball machine. I grew up playing one. And I was like, “That’s so rad.” And I found myself that
Oftentimes I would see his post and would be like, “I never see anybody talking about what he’s talking about. And I love that stuff.” And I was like, “Oh, my God. This guy’s so cool.” And we became friends that way. And I sort of knew about YouTube.
I wasn’t a dabbler or anything like that, or really a watcher, honestly. But I remember when we had first started talking and he was going out to a cemetery to film something, and we were on the phone and he was being kind of sheepish. And
I was like, just thinking maybe he was bored or he was waiting to do something. And he’s like, “If I asked you to like go to a cemetery with me, would you… Is that something that you would wanna do?” And I was like, “I grew up in a cemetery.
So yeah, I would totally be down for that.” And he just kind of like prodded me with a couple of questions. I was like, “That would be awesome.” Yeah. Yes. I’m in. Like, absolutely. And then I guess once I moved to Savannah, Georgia, it… We just started going on these outings together
And… And you just jumped straight into it? Yeah, and I hated it. Why? Oh, she hated it. I did not like being in front of the camera. It was very uncomfortable because at the time we were really filming with our cell phones and we didn’t have mics and
Things like that. And so he would get this close to my face, and I’m like, “You need to get out of my bubble.” Yeah. Like, you are way too close to my eyeball. Like, I think I feel you on my lashes. Like. Yeah. Can you
Back up a little bit? And at this point, you’re completely used to it or no? Well, I don’t think you ever get used to it. No, I don’t think you do. So still till this point, you guys aren’t used to being on camera? No. No. I get super
Nervous, get super self conscious. We both do. Especially if there’s other people around. And if you really pay close attention to the YouTube videos, I love whenever people play… Point this out, that every now and then we’ll get somebody who say,
“How is it that everywhere you go, there seems to be nobody else in the world?” It’s just us. There’s nobody around in the background, there’s really nobody doing this ’cause we wait a long time. We do. But it’s just, it’s a lot easier to film when there’s
Nobody else around watching you, and especially if you’re doing something true crime and you’re standing out front and then you have the people living in that house or your neighbors watching you, you get very going… Yeah. And you start stammering and stuff. So you never get used to
It. You never do. Yeah. You just kind of just push through. But you wouldn’t be able to tell. You guys are both so naturally good on camera, it seems. I don’t feel natural at all ’cause he still gets close my face, and I’m just like, “Please, back up.
I love… ” We went to dinner last night and you were just a ball of energy just like you were on the show. Yeah. I can’t contain it. It was surprising to me because you guys are exactly how you are online. You always hear about people meeting people that they watch
And that they’re fans of, and they’re always like, “Oh man, I hope they’re nice in person.” These guys are exactly how they are on YouTube. I feel like we maybe even tone it down a bit in videos because you kind of gotta reel that energy in.
Or when my ADHD just hits hard, that’s when I’m not around all, and that’s when everyone was like, “Oh, she’s kicking leaves in the background.” I’m like, “Yeah. Bye.” Yeah. Either that or collecting bugs. I do. I go and pick up bugs. Yeah, I like to play in the
Dirt. Is there like a fine line between too much energy and not enough? I feel like on camera, too much energy is a great thing. I feel like too much energy can be bad on my end only because it can break a focus and with the… The camera setup that
We have is sitting on a gimbal and is very heavy. You can’t make a lot of these fast movement sometimes, so you really gotta reel it in, be not stationary, but you gotta know where you’re going sometimes in order to track it, just because of simple things like
The camera going out of focus because you’ve moved too fast or something like that. So I think energy, passion, I think is more of the appropriate term. We talk about passion nonstop, so you have to have energy for what you’re putting out there because you have to show that passion,
Otherwise I think people don’t care. Right. But if I’m just bouncing around hype, no, bueno. Cut that out. Even I annoy myself, like yeah, I don’t like it. You guys ever consider doing blooper reels? Huh? Well, oddly… Yes. We don’t really have any. Really? We don’t. Yeah. You guys
Are one take snakes. Pretty much. The only time… As much as possible. The only time that we’ll ever, ever reshoot something, usually the reason we have to re shoot something is because the camera movements aren’t to my liking… Or we trip over our words., yeah. Yeah.
It’s like, “All right, let’s do that again, but let’s do it a little slower.” You know what I mean? And the beautiful thing about the world of YouTube, it allows people… Anybody with a camera to tell a story, and there’s no right or wrong way of doing it,
And there are people out there who are so energetic on camera that you see and you’re like, “How can I keep up with that? It’s just too much.” I get overwhelmed watching that. Even I can’t do it. And a lot of our videos, they’re very
Methodical, they’re completely unscripted, but before I turn on the camera… Once we get on set, on set or on site, I look at it, and I go, “Okay, this is the story we need to tell.” And then before I even turn on the camera, I know how I
Want the video to be edited. It’s already done in my head. So if we do this thing where I tell her to walk from here to there, and I’m gonna tell the story while you’re walking, it’s already in my head. So if we have to re shoot that,
It’s not how I see it. And what I mean by that is, when it comes to time to editing, it’s already done in my head. Does that make sense? Interesting. Now, do you write it all down? No. Never. So it’s just completely visual. He has a computer brain.
Yeah. He really does. That’s crazy. It’s impressive. We’ve got ADHD. I could never… Names, places, dates, events, I’ll start saying something and then I’ll just look at him and wait for him to finish it with all the intel. And I’m like, “Yep, that’s it.” And the
Funny thing about it is like, we have certain rules that we stick to whenever we film. We have like… It’s like zombie land. Rule number one, cardio, you know, or this and that. Like, we have certain ways that we do things. There’s people out there who have a
YouTube channel that when… They’ll go some place, they’ll film, and then you can clearly tell that it’s a voiceover. They sat at home editing and they read the Wikipedia page of like, “At 7:45, the clouds were blah, blah, blah, 45%,” whatever. And it’s like, how did they come up with this? And
Our biggest rule, our biggest… I guess you would say rule, is we try really hard to let the environment, the setting, the story tell itself, meaning the less I talk, the less she talks, the better it is because you or any of the other viewers can
Go online or pick up a book and read all the details about a crime or they can watch a movie. But one thing that most people can’t do is go and see this place for themselves. So that’s what we try to provide. Take people with you.
Right. And, you know, let’s say you come out to Hollywood where we live, and you go to the Wonderland murder house, unless you’re like, know everything there is to know about it, you’re gonna go there and go, “Well, this is what… This is where this happened. I know the basics of the story.”
So instead of trying to bog people down with information, too much information, we just try to let the place tell the story. You know what I mean? And so that right there is the… Oh, yeah. Wonderland murders? Yes. What exact… I’ve never even heard of
That. People are gonna tear me up. Last time I said I didn’t know who the Menendez brothers were, and I still get shit for it. Wow. That’s why I brought this up. But there is… So if you’re watching this right now, camera three or camera three. Yep, three. Alright.
Don’t give him crap for it. Notice I didn’t swear. Yeah. We’re gonna get one curse word out of them. They keep it PG on the show. As much as possible. I’m… She’s easier. I’m… Yeah. I’m the sailor between the two of us. Yeah. We’ll get a curse word out.
I need an F word from Michael by the end of this. What? Man. Frank and further. We’ll get there. So walk me through a little bit about like how you guys even pick the topic, write out what you’re gonna say if
You do write it out. I mean, I know you said a lot of it is visual or… Or sorry, it’s in your head. It’s mental. You don’t write anything when you guys go on location? Nothing. The only thing that we really write… And he does these itineraries
That are in themselves a work of art. He could do it professionally. I think it’s insane that he can get things down to… And it’s just planning and knowing how to use things like maps and knowing how long things take and giving yourself time,
But for the most part, no, we really do just kind of wing it because… We know we’ll say, “Okay, there’s three sentences that I need to say about, say, this specific location,” and then you get there and you end up saying one, and it’s beautifully and you’re like,
“Yip, no, that was good.” How. Do you guys collaborate together? What is the kind of magic that goes in between both of you? ‘Cause I can imagine running a channel with my girlfriend, I’d be like… We’d probably clash on ideas a lot. Well, a lot of it is… It’s gonna sound really funny.
A lot of it is just our natural reaction on camera, and when it comes to a show or something like YouTube or something, I guess, where there’s two different people, we will bounce ideas off of each other of we’re gonna go here, should we do
This video? Should we do that video? Of course, views and financial things and stuff, there’s always… That’s always a driving force, but we really try to balance that with things that we really love, whether it’s gonna be popular or not, but we really… I think we were very good
At bouncing ideas off of each other, but when it comes to editing, camera, filming and scoring, usually, that’s just all me. And we get a lot of people asking for Jessica to pick up the camera and host the show, and sometimes I feel like you can,
And other times I feel like you would be a little too nervous to do it. I mean, yeah, that’s just a part of one of those things we talk about all the time about still being nervous about what we do. And in the beginning when things started,
We definitely needed two people for walking with the camera while the other ones a host and that sort of thing. But as we’ve evolved and we’ve upgraded our gear, it really kind of has become more of a one man show because you can’t have two hands in the same pot.
There’s not enough room for it. And when you try to say split duties, is just… It’s impossible ’cause it’s almost like you’re hiring two people to do one job and there’s only room enough really for one person. And it’s not that I’m incapable of running scenes or hosting or editing, it’s just,
Really you’re just making a longer process out of it by trying to say, “Oh, I wanna include you in.” And it’s like, I am perfectly capable and I could, but it’s like a marriage, you have to delegate kind of who’s better at doing wha, who has more time,
Who has a better focus. ADHD, right? So it naturally kind of correlated to, especially for the health of our marriage, that he’s better at keeping the tech stuff on par, and I’m better at running the house, and that’s not because it’s a male female thing
Either, it’s just I’m really better at, say, doing stuff at the store, shipping. I have a lot of background in that. And he already went to film school. Yeah, he’s a writer, You know your way around a camera. I think you could do it though. I mean, that would be a
Very interesting thing to see on the channel. Yeah, like we still discuss while we’re filming, like we have such similar tastes. There’s rarely a time when I go, let’s also do this shot because he’s already two steps ahead of me. He already knows what he wants to do and
I’ll give input. And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. And we have such… The same vision that he’s already capturing what I wanna see. So like, it’s a two person show, but you don’t always need two people behind the camera driving the car. Yeah. Right? Well, I like your guys’ dynamic.
When I wanna hear what’s going on with the story, I tune into Michael. When I wanna feel what’s going on, I watch a little bit more of you ’cause sometimes you’re just vibing out and walking in the background. Well, and that’s another part of it that we… People will say,
“I wanna hear Jessica talk more. Why don’t you do more in the videos?” And I just look them in the face and I’m like, “Listen, the more excited I get… ” because I’m excited when we’re at these places. I’m genuinely in the moment. I don’t wanna… Like, my movies,
I don’t want spoilers. I just want to experience it. The more excited I get, the higher my voice gets. So by the time you’re trying to get me in front of a camera, I’m like a chipmunk. Yeah. And it doesn’t… It’s not pleasant.
I mean, it’s not pleasant, guys, okay? And he has such a natural even baritone, that he’s really easy to listen to. And he’s a natural storyteller anyway. And I would personally rather listen to him than myself. There’s no ego in what we do at all.
He’s just really natural at it. And that’s one of the things that I absolutely loved about him. When we… When I first came on to Grimm Life, we were… You were gonna ask a question earlier about, you know, I wasn’t always a part of the process, but I think
I was maybe one of the first people to support the process. It became what it was because of your involvement. And Michael, that’s not taking away from you. ‘Cause I thought it was cool as hell. I was like, that’s awesome. I would absolutely… I want to go
On these adventures with you, I’ve always loved doing what you’re already doing, like yeah, I’ll go with you, I’ll keep you company. I’ll drive the car or hold the camera or run your lines, and whatever. It’s like, I just wanna be there with you because also I love
You, so… It was like, it’s our video diary together. I mean, we could get really nitty gritty. Nitty gritty, that’s what we need. We can get really nitty gritty without naming names and stuff like that, if you really want to. Let’s name it, and I’ll beat. That always
Makes for a good bit. Anybody who’s watched the channel knows for a fact that… I’m not the first, and that’s okay. She is not the first person that’s been on the channel… We all have history. It always cracks me up, is whenever people, they don’t realize that there’s been other people,
And they go, wow. “Oh, my gosh, Jessica, you should go back to that hair color.” Right, right. “From those blonde videos.” But Jessica is… You look so different. “Did you change your hair?” She’s… Jessica’s the first person in my life to really believe in everything
That I attempt to do. And the same thing with you, same thing with you. I’ll stand behind anything she wants to do 100%, and the crazy crazy thing, and I think about this all the time is, back in the day, whenever I was living in Atlanta,
Georgia, when I was making those first videos, or the daily vlogs. Or have you seen Taylor Swift, stuck in traffic? Taylor Swift traffic? Oh man, I didn’t. Okay. And I’m shooting myself ’cause I didn’t. I’ve watched almost everything though. This is off topic. This is how I
Roll. Really close to the beginning. Yeah, really close to the beginning. I was living in Atlanta, Georgia, I was delivering food, and I was doing it full time, and I would make videos on my lunch breaks or while I was out delivering food between restaurants.
And one day, I get stuck in traffic and it’s right after a Taylor Swift concert, and all I see, it’s night time, is just red brake lights everywhere, and it’s driving me nuts and I gotta get this food to these people. So I pull up the camera and I’m like,
“I’m stuck in Taylor Swift traffic. It’s driving me nuts.” And I just go off. But I was in a relationship around that time, and it was pretty serious, and she was not having with what I was trying to do. At the time, it was a
Hobby. And it got to the point where we went to relationship counseling, and both her and the counselor were like, “Listen Michael, you need to stop doing this. This is silly. This is childish.” The videos? Yeah. “Stop doing it. It’s never gonna amount to anything. You need to
Grow up.” And some things happened and I left in… Was the fucking therapist her uncle or something? Right, right. Like, in cahoots. Yeah. Like, cahoots. And I pretty much left. There’s a lot that went into it. I’m kind of paraphrasing the stuff. But that ended.
It was a bad relationship that ended very quickly and another relationship after that was bad. And then she came along who believed in everything. But I mean, there was quite a few times where, you know, I almost threw in the towel,
Like even after we were living in Savannah, Georgia and it was really going nowhere. And when we moved down to Orlando, there’s a period on the channel where it’s like nothing but theme park videos. Theme parks. ‘Cause we’re living in Orlando. There’s nothing
To do in Orlando except for go to the theme park. But I think it’s brilliant because it also allowed us to just kind of really hone being behind the camera with thousands of people around you. So even though we’re still nervous about that, it got us used to
Just going oh, F it. Ah, he almost said it. We almost got it. It got us used to just going, screw it and let’s just film and make it happen. But too, it was also a part of like coming in to realize that not to feel peer pressured by the faceless machine.
Now, when you say faceless machine, you mean by this concept of an audience, what people want? Yeah. Like, no matter what you do, you’re always gonna feel like people are gonna hate what you’re doing, people are gonna give you really bad feedback,
And you get this kind of peer pressure that I should always be making content, I gotta do stuff, I gotta do… It’s like when you’re at work, right? And you have all these things in your head that you need to do at home, and then you get that day off
And you have no idea what you’re supposed to be doing. And then you go back to work and there it is again. That peer pressure that you have in yourself to do something, to make something, to be productive. And I mean, we still feel that
Today, honestly. We really do. But especially in the beginning, being around people and seeing what was happening a lot around us, especially on YouTube and blooming, we kind of… I think that’s around the time when we started feeling like, fuck it. We got it. You know, we’re gonna do
What we wanna do. Whoa. ‘Cause a lot of people… Censor that one. Beep. Beep. We would get still negative comments that… The professorship. “Oh, stop doing theme parks. Go back to doing this.” “Oh, I don’t want you to do movie locations. I’d rather you do
True crime.” And I think there was a point where we were trying to cater to people and what the majority of people were commenting that they wanted to see. And you kind of have to shut that out and be like, I’m just gonna do what I wanna do because honestly,
This is… It is about a married couple. We still today say that our videos are about a married couple exploring life and our passions and our hobbies. Was it the flip of a switch? Did you guys just all of a sudden be like, you know what? I don’t care what
Anybody thinks, I’m just gonna make what I want. Or was it like a gradual learning process? I feel Like it was a bit of both. A little bit of both. A little bit of both. It’s funny, a constant thought that I have with the channel is,
No matter what video it is, whether it’s an interview with Shelley Duvall, hanging out with Tom Savini going through there, or Doug Bradley, or going to Europe, no matter what the video is, no matter what it is, when it’s done, and it’s time for it to go live,
And I have to hit that button that says go live now… He hates it. The thing that goes through my head every single time is they’re all gonna laugh at you, Carrie. They’re all gonna laugh at you. This is the video where they’re gonna just laugh at you and
It’s all gonna go away. Every video is like that for me. Till this day? To this day. To this day. Interesting. Well, that’s kind of comforting to know it’ll never go away. But it’s so strange though because if I can go back a little bit and talk about the past, as horror fans,
Somehow we bridged this gap. We started getting invited and showing up at horror conventions with horror icons like Kane Hodder and Doug Bradley. And we’re doing a show in Chicago. Clive Barker’s gonna be there. Like, we’re on the same bill as Clive Barker. I mean, what the
Hell? And we did a show and this guy came up to us who has become like a friend, not like a really good friend, but like more an acquaintance. And he knew who we were before… It was a little weird ’cause it was like he knew who we
Were and became friends with us because he knew who we were. But even more than that, he knew who I was before Grimm Life, and I didn’t know it at the time. And we we’re walking through of all places here in Las Vegas,
And he’s like, “You know, we actually have something in common. One of your exes is a good friend of mine.” And she tells people that she used to date like this very famous YouTuber.” Famous YouTuber. And I’m like, “What the hell?” That’s amazing. Full circle. Full circle. When they dated though, and it
Was way in the beginning before anything had taken off, so it was confirmation that even the exes are keeping tab, which is weird. Well, it’s hard not to. I mean, you guys aren’t just on YouTube, you guys are… I loved that you guys started interviewing celebrities at
Conventions, and now you guys are celebrities at conventions, which is… It feels so weird. Like, very thankful. Very thankful. And like every family who comes up and is like this and that… Very Twilight zone. But it was neat. There was a Spooky Empire. Are you familiar with Spooky
Empire? Mm hmm. Is it in Orlando? Yeah. So PD owns it, and he way… I think he was the very first person who really put us on as a bill, like as a celebrity guest. And I remember having a conversation with him. He was like,
“Listen man, when I do this, like I’m a big fan of your channel, but when I do this, everybody who has a YouTube channel is gonna wanna contact me for the same thing. And I gotta figure out how to do it in a way that I can tell them no.
Because you guys are different.” And he proceeded to say that, “And the reason why you are different is, you have all of these fans of horror that are coming to meet their celebrity,” Kane Hodders and stuff like that, “But you are the one that bridges the gap.
Everything that you do is what every horror fan wants to do that dreams about doing.” Going to visit like locations and stuff like that. We were talking about this last night for dinner… For dinner… At dinner, how many times do you go and watch Hellraiser? I mean, you know
It. You’ll sit down and watch it if it’s on, if you’re in the mood, but you’re not gonna put it on every single night. You’re not gonna fall asleep to Hellraiser. Maybe somebody out there does. But it’s a great movie. We all have our comfort movies. Yeah. But
There’s families, horror fans from the ages of a kid to grandmothers… Grandmas. We always talk about grandmas. We love grandmas. We do. Who watch us night after night, who… We’ve become their routine. Yeah. So it’s this weird thing that we tapped into. And I always
Feel uncomfortable saying we are celebrities. Same. Or we have fans. I still feel just like… I feel like the 20 year old kid who’s still going to his very first horror convention and going, “That autograph’s 20 bucks. It’s my last 20 bucks, but I really want
To meet that person.” Or get the $40 bundle with the picture. But I think… And I still feel that way. That’s why w… It gradually became this thing where we started calling it the Grimm Life family because it really is just one big family. Like,
We love everybody who watches and who reaches out. And it’s conversations that we’d never would normally get to have just sitting at home. And we started doing the lives too because it was around the holidays and we started talking about our own depression
And things like that, and knowing that this is a really hard time for a lot of people. And we just kind of wanted to like hang out and talk to people who were horror fans who might need a safe space. And they’re going solid now for what, three
Years? We’ve been doing the up all nights? I wanna let it roll.. Yes. Three years up all nights, huh? Three years. Yeah. Well, traveling just adds so much more perspective. You learn a lot about life by seeing different cultures and going to different places and you guys offered that to other people,
But you guys weren’t always international. I remember there was a point in time where on the channel, you guys were saying, we’ve never been overseas before. Yeah. Just recently, we decided to go overseas. Oh, wow. How long ago? We kind of just got back… September October, November.
The first time you guys had ever gone… First time ever. First time ever. And we went for three months and we did… Ha, ha, ha, ha. We got a fun… Man, we’ve got tons of stories. How how much time do we have? We’ve got all the time in the world.
So we… Man, it’s like really hard not to spill so many beans. Got so many things. But we went to England, Scotland, France, and Germany, and we drove the entire time. And we’re going back this year, probably just to England for about a month.
But yeah, we had a blast. Was there anything you noticed different between, I guess, the dark side of culture in Europe as opposed to the United States? Yes, a lot. A lot. And so the year before, not this past Halloween, but the Halloween before that,
We traveled the country, visiting like the 13 of the scariest haunts. And I’m not talking like home haunts, I’m talking like multimillion dollar haunts, where they have endless… Almost what appears to be endless amounts of money to figure out ways to scare you. So we went to like 13
Of the scariest. And then everybody thought we were gonna do the same thing again the next Halloween, which was this Halloween past. And we told them, “No, we’re not. We’re actually gonna… We’re just gonna leave. We’re gonna go overseas.” And everybody’s like, “Whoa, whoa, whoa. What
Do you mean you’re gonna go overseas?” And we had to tell a few different people, and I was trying to figure out a really good way of saying it. I was like all the haunts that we know here in the United States, whether it’s Netherworld in Norcross, Georgia, like Atlanta or
The Darkness in St. Louis or Headless Horseman in Sleepy Hollow, New York. Like, it’s up that way. They’re all amazing, but all of those stories are based off of… Real things. Real things that happened over in Europe. You know what I mean? So it was almost like it… To us,
It felt like when we were driving through England and Scotland and Germany, it felt like we were going to like the birth of horror. That’s what it felt like. Like, you could feel the darkness at the edge of the field that they’re always warning about. It feels that way. I think it
Probably was about the area that the birth of horror was. Yeah. Like, there’s a town and in Germany, we have some friends over in Germany, and it was a rainy night and we just got done with dinner and we decided to go up to
This castle in the middle of the night up on the hillside, and it overlooked the town. And we didn’t film it. There was nothing special about it, but it just felt like this dank, wet place that we shouldn’t be. It just felt terrifying, we… Almost every castle has a dark
History. And there’s a lot of castles. There’s nothing like that here. Definitely not. Hell no. I mean, you might be able to get the Magic Castle in LA. And what castle was it? Well, I’m not sure of the name of the castle, the actual name, but I know that it was in this…
There’s a town in Germany that does not exist. I mean, it does. We were there, we made some posts about it. I think it’s called Bielefeld, I think it’s the pronunciation. But there’s a castle way above the hill that overlooks this town. And that’s where… It was what… I
Think it was… We spent probably our last night in Germany. Yeah, there’s an actual marker for it, a stone marker. And it’s in like the city center where a lot of really cool restaurants are. Yeah. Germany has like… We love being in Germany. Germany is absolutely
Beautiful. Love Germany. And they have very unique restaurants. At least these two that we went to. They’re connected though in the stories. We went to a restaurant two different nights. We went to two different ones. One was like Peter Pan themed and
The other one was like Hansel and Gretel themed. Interesting. It was like… Yeah. Do you remember what the Peter Pan themed restaurant was called? I do not. I think it may have just been Pan, something like that. Something. Owned by the same people. Interesting. That’s right. No,
They used to be. I think they used to be partners and they split. And then one opened one kind like down the street. Like, one is pizza ish, one is burgers ish. Your guys’ trip to Germany, you guys also did the Nosferatu filming locations. Yes. And I mean,
Man, that wasn’t just an homage to horror, it was an homage to all of cinema because it’s a masterpiece irrespective of genres. I mean, how surreal was it standing in front of literal history? It’s a hundred years old at this point. And it still looks the same.
It still looks the same. It was really cold that day. Very cold, and I… When we walked under that archway and we saw that little film strip marker, that was probably the part where it went, wow. I’m here. Wow. I’m here. Is that where the ship was coming through
The… Yeah. Where the ship was coming in, but the scene specifically was carrying his coffin. Was carrying his coffin. Right there. They saw it before me because her and The Vegan Satanist, Laurent, they were walking ahead of me and they saw it first, and then I saw it and
I was like, “Oh my God.” But that point during that video is whenever I just about lost it. Yeah. I like how he’s a satanist and vegan. It’s really cool. He’s an awesome guy. He did amazing in the video. I was like, yes, they got a
Translator. He read all the cool stuff and he brought some really awesome facts too. Like, the church you guys were outside of. And you were like, “This looks exactly like the church.” He was like, “No, they actually had to use another one because they thought film back
In the day was sent here by the devil.” And also, if you go online right now and you look up Nosferatu, I say Nosferatu, everybody says Nosferatu. Everybody says it different. But you go and look up that Dracula movie, that vampire
Movie, and you look up filming locations to that, at the very end, whenever Laurent took us to the… Where he was living, where it has like the bat bust on the side of the wall. The face. You can’t find that information anywhere. And… I think that’s something
He told us. He was like, “I have this place. Nobody’s ever shown it on camera before,” that he knew of. And I didn’t check, but he’s like, “Nobody talks about it. I’m gonna take you there.” His childhood home, right? Or where he grew up. And that was really,
Really kind of like chilling to just be standing there on the street and looking up at this like building and seeing Orlok’s face staring back at you. It’s crazy to think that it was a hundred years ago. When you say a hundred years, it sounds like a long time,
But when you really think about it, a hundred years is not that long ago. And just how far we’ve progressed in terms of camera quality, and I mean, even just sound, it was a silent movie, it’s just crazy. And the fact that you guys were able to visit
The location is just so awesome. I remember you went to the white building. It felt like you guys were walking up almost in a backyard. Trees everywhere, white building. You guys matched up the shot, but it just sounded like you were getting a little bit like kind
Of shaky voiced when you were walking up to it. Like, you couldn’t even believe that you were there. That was right next to the church, correct? Where she was, I think there’s a scene of her leaving the apartment? That white building? Yeah, I think so. I think so.
I don’t Know. But it was… It’s just amazing that you guys get to do that. And you take us all with you. Oh, we like having you come with us. We like having you there. So you guys actively try not to do things that…
I remember last night, you were telling me that you guys were a bit apprehensive about doing Gacy just because a lot of people have already done Gacy. So how do you guys navigate trying to do something completely original that nobody’s ever done before? Is it planned? Is it spontaneous?
And you guys find out after the fact, oh wow, we were the first people to do this? I think a little bit of everything, honestly. ‘Cause I mean, we’ve obviously seen some things for ourselves, but I think maybe there’s a little certainty that we know our view on
Things is already a little different in the way that we film, that it might be a little different, at least from a viewpoint, at least. Sometimes, we don’t even hear about it until afterwards if we’ve really done something for the first time or
We know way ahead of time already because he has already searched it that heavily. You guys mentioned in a couple of your videos how hard movie magic is, how it’s a bit harder than it seems. When you guys get to the location, what’s the first thing where you’re
Like, I don’t even know how they did this? Really, whenever… Especially whenever you get to like a filming location. And part of the fun, at least for me, is that the moment when you first get there, there’s a house from a movie that you
Love and you get there and you look at and you go, “Well, that’s the character’s house.” And then you sit there and you go, “Well, wait a second. Well, that’s the house and that’s the window. And Wow. That hasn’t changed either.” It just kind of
Like unfolds. Like, you’re reading like a novel. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Once you get there is whenever it all becomes clear, and it starts to unfold. There’s something I like to call the number three effect. Do you know the… The rule of three. Yeah.
Well, not the rule of three, but the number three effect. Oh. So when we did the Lost Boys filming location video, it’s such an iconic movie, we love it. And we were there and they’re like, this is so awesome being here. You know, this is where
Michael and the gang were on their motorcycles, and that’s the carousel behind it. This one over here out of the corner of her eye sees a number three on the side of a building. And it’s changed a little bit. The color’s a little bit different,
The font is a little bit different… Faded and. But in the movie, if you look past everybody, you can see the number three in the same exact spot. And it’s just like the entrance to the boardwalk. And she just got it. Tier three. And nobody ever talked about that.
Nobody’s ever pointed it out. But the part of movie magic is once you’re there and you see the scene and then you start realizing all these other little things, that’s the part that just sucks you in. I think that’s our favorite part. We really love
Paying attention to the background as much as humanly possible because sometimes that’s how we’re able to actually confirm, yes, we are in the right place. And even though everyone says this is not it, this is factually it, or vice versa. There’s been times… When you’re talking about,
Say, we’ve done something for the first time that I knew for a fact that we knew we did it for the first time would’ve been the filming locations for… Was it Lucio Fulci Or Doria Argento? Oh, yeah, it’s City of the Living Dead. City of the Living Dead. Fulci. In
Savannah, Georgia, all the records, even the film crew records say that that was filmed in a specific cemetery inside Savannah, Georgia. We lived there. We could go there very easily and try to mash things up. It was not filmed there. Nothing lines up. Not even if you try
To roll it back however many years it was filmed there, nothing lines up. And I don’t know how he found this ’cause it was so long ago. Maybe he’ll recall. We found this itty bitty little cemetery out in the middle of nowhere. I’m sorry. He found this in
The middle of nowhere. And as soon as we set foot in there, bing, bang, boom, this is it. Wow. And no one had ever actually gone to that cemetery before. They’d kept going to the most famous one in Savannah. Yeah. And but there are times where you guys will show
Up somewhere and be like, I can’t find it. We’ve shown up to places. There’s a video that comes to mind. Addams Family, the motel scene, whenever Pugsley and Wednesday are selling lemonade and a girl comes around, “You wanna buy some Girl Scout cookies? They’re made out of real Girl
Scouts.” So we did a video on that location. We went to the motel, and on the interwebs, it says that it is at a certain… A specific motel. And we get there and it’s like, no, this is not it. This is not it. And we…
People kept sharing an address and that address was just wrong. And we’re like, “Okay, well, maybe they got the right area.” So we just drove around and drove around and then we found it. You know what I mean? So it’s like, again, you never really know
What to expect until you get there. There’s gotta be like the opposite effect though, where it’s everything you would imagine, like you guys did the Suspiria filming locations. I thought that whole movie was built in a sound stage. Like, I had no idea that was shot…
Right? How gorgeous. Yeah. I mean, amazing. Even the spot in the beginning where they first pull up to the dance school, I was surprised it was a real building. Well, when they pull up to the dance school, that’s actually a set that they built, but it was modeled after that
Building. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So when you look at it, it’s like a little cul de sac. They built it based off of that building almost to the T, but it might as well have been there. Yeah. The set design in that movie is… Like The Ahwahnee Hotel. Like Kubrick
Built his hotel for The Shining, but he might as well have just saved a bunch of money and went to the Ahwahnee Hotel in Yosemite National Park. It’s almost like shot for shot identical to the movie. Even the outside? Not the outside. The interior. The interior. So like the
Interior that you see him… Them walking through the whole time and… He did change it. So he sent out scouts. I want to build things. I’m looking for things. And The Ahwahnee, say you walk in and there’s a desk over to the right,
He put it on the left. If you’re walking the hallway and there’s a concierge right down that hallway, now it’s down this hallway. So he would like change things, but he copied it to perfection. Not just, it was loosely muddled after, he just copied it, like the patterns, how many squares,
That sort of stuff. He just… It was, yeah. Do you guys like Kubrick’s more or do you guys like Garris’ more? Kubrick’s 100%. Like, Die hard. Please don’t hate me, but I’ve never read the book. I hate when people say, “I liked the book better.” Yeah.
Sometimes loosely, sometimes extremely loosely. But I think that’s the power of the written word, though. Is it, as you’re reading, depending on how you intake information, it could really build another image in your head. Or you start to read something and you’re like, “Oh wow,
But what if it happened like this? Oh, that’s so cool too.” But you guys said that you met up with Shelley Duvall and that she had a completely different side to the Stanley Kubrick story and that… Because the whole narrative is that he drove her crazy. And the reason
She’s not in the limelight anymore is because of the making of that movie. You guys heard a different side of that story, though. Yeah. And I’d love to bring that to light because everybody just thinks she’s some whack job. I have a lot to say about Shelley Duvall and it’s
More on a defensive note. We’ve gotten a lot of questions, concern and comments from the interview that we did with her. And I don’t think people are realizing that she’s like 75. Everyone expects her to still think be this itty bitty lady in her
30s. They forever have this image of her as being super skinny and peak health and all that stuff. And not all of us age gracefully. And that’s just a simple matter of life. But she had nothing but pleasantries to say about her experience with
Kubrick. She was very sharp in her memories and she was very joyful in her memories. What most people don’t know about Shelly and her career cycle is that she was, I personally believe, more of a producer than an actor. She produced, self produced
A lot. Her passion was children’s fairytales. So that… I got her to sign Shelley Duvall’s Faerie Tale Theatre. And she has a handful of other projects that are Shelley Duvall’s Tall Tales, Shelley Duvall’s Faerie Tale Theatre, Shelley Duvall’s et cetera. So she was self producing,
Self paid. She out of her own pocket was doing a lot of these. And she didn’t stop acting actually. A lot of people get the timeline kind of weird with the Shining, I believe I have to go back and check because they were filmed really close together that Popeye was
After The Shining. The Shining. Yeah. It either was like immediately before or immediately after. They’re almost in the same year or like really close together. And I believe it was after The Shining. And from there, she continued to be in other films.
I don’t think she did as many leading roles in the films because she was, again, doing her own production. Her greatest passion was always bringing children’s fairytale content back into libraries, back to children’s programs. ‘Cause she didn’t see a lot happening aside from like Sesame Street
And things like that. I think the last content of hers out that I was able to track down that she self produced was on a CD ROM. So she was still kicking it in the AOL ages, and that was well into the 2000s. I don’t think she was driven
Out of Hollywood society. I think she… From our conversations, like a lot of people just got fed up with Hollywood and she wanted to follow her passion a bit closer, which was children’s content. And she just ran herself a little thin. Yeah. I think that like to
Somebody who’s not really knowledgeable about what happened with between Kubrick and Shelley Duvall and The Shining, and I’m not claiming that we are. We’re not like… I’m not a historian. Historians or anything like that, but I think to the average person who hears the story that
Kubrick messed up Shelley Duvall because of The Shining, they automatically assume the assumption is there that as soon as that was done, she just disappeared, she cracked, and there was nothing else happened after The Shining. She didn’t. And you know, like Jessica was saying,
She produced a lot. She did her own stuff. She worked for years, especially in like children’s stuff. So she was still working. She didn’t just disappear. And she’s still acting. Yeah. Yeah. And I’m not saying that there’s no like mental health issue. I mean, we don’t know any of
That. We don’t know her personally, just a professional relationship. Of course, we can’t speak on any of that. But the Shelley Duvall that we experienced, especially the day of that video, and yes, we did spend an entire day with her, is completely different,
100% different from what… The Rumors… People have perceived from the Dr. Phil stuff, to bring that in, to mention his name. And you guys weren’t even initially gonna do the interview, right? Like, you guys decided last minute, you know what? Let’s just spend time with
Her. Well, so to put some context to it ’cause we didn’t talk about it. There’s a movie that’s coming out called The Forest Hills, and she’s part of it. And the director and the producers reached out to us and said, “Hey, do you guys want to social media produce
This?” Meaning be backers to, and we agreed because we’re big Shelley Duvall fans and we wanted to see her become something. And after we agreed to do that, months… A couple months later, the opportunity, we were driving across country, and the opportunity
Came up for us to actually meet her to do an interview. That was the whole point of going to see her. And so we showed up, we talked on the phone with her. We spent the entire day with her and she had a lot of…
Not a lot of reservations, but she was… She wanted to show us the town. And she was having some issues health wise. And we told her right from the get go, “We’re here to do an interview, but if you don’t wanna do the
Interview, that’s fine. We’re just happy that we get to spend the day with you.” She was cool with that. And then by the end of the day, she was getting tired and we were getting ready to go. The sun was setting a little bit and
We decided to part ways and we said, “Hey, do you still wanna do it?” And she said, yes. So that’s how it happened. Honestly, most of that time was her feeling like she wanted to find the right place to do it. And she had an injury to her foot.
So she kept trying to find a place that she could park and kind of maybe walk a short distance to like a picnic table or something. And in the end, I think she was just in too much pain. And we’re like, “Listen, I’m getting the sense of how you’re feeling
Right now. It’s like, we don’t want you to be in pain. We don’t want you uncomfortable. You don’t have to leave your car if you don’t want to.” And she was like, “Oh, really?” I’m like, “Yeah, dude. Like, we’re here for you. Please don’t feel like you’re trying
To please us. Like, whatever you want to do, whatever is comfortable for you, as long as you’re okay with it, we will do it that way.” Do you guys ever get kicked out from locations, like show up somewhere and they’re like, “You gotta leave”? Yes. Yeah.
I don’t think it’s any… I don’t think we’ve had anything bad. I don’t think… We’ve never been thrown out or anything like that. No. We’ve never been… There’s only one time I would say we were kicked off of a property and I think this person was just really power tripping because…
Oh yeah. We had just pulled into a parking lot that fit two cars at maximum. I was on the phone trying to reach the office because the phone number was in really big letters on the side. And as I’m on the phone dialing,
The owner pulls up, jumps out of the car and is immediately saying, “I’m gonna call the police, leave.” And I was like, “Well, who are you?” And, “Oh, I own this place.” I’m like, “Oh, so you’re who I’m calling right now?” It’s like, “We’re trying to
Talk to you to get… I’m sorry if we parked here and we’re not supposed to, but there’s nowhere else to park.” But it was instantly, “Get off my property. I’m calling the police.” Let me add some colorful context to this. Okay. So we were living in
Orlando, Florida, and we were doing a video on the serial killer, Danny Rolling, who Kevin Williamson loosely based Ghostface off of. He was a real life person who was… Killed some sorority girls in Orlando. And we went to his grave. He’s buried in just out… He’s
Buried in the the prison cemetery where Ted Bundy was executed. So in this video, what we always do, and we were doing it respectfully, we were going around to the different crime scene locations. And one of them, probably the most brutal of them all, of them all, and probably it gets really graphic,
We were able to track down the cottage like house. When I say cottage, there’s like four or five little cottages in this little cul de sac, like… Were they hotels at the time? They were not. They were like… They were like a little cottage house…
Like a bungalow? That was like separated into two. So they’re like two smaller ones. And I was already a little nervous about going to this place because of how brutal it was. And we’re standing out there and I got the camera. And of course,
You get self conscious. I’m standing at a crime scene, probably one of the most… I keep emphasizing brutal. You don’t wanna upset people. You don’t wanna upset people. So you’re nervous, you’re looking over your shoulder trying to say, this is what happened here.
And there’s no trespassing signs anywhere, but going, “Hey, can I film here?” So she was trying to contact the office to say, Hey, can we do this? And while this is happening, I’m just saying I’m gonna go ahead and do it. And this woman shows up,
And if I can put it politely, she looked like somebody that you would see on the TV show, Cops. Like a person getting arrested? Well, like somebody… Like, yeah. Right. So she shows up and she’s just nasty and she’s just… She’s verbally nasty.
“Get… Get off the property, this and that. I don’t want you here.” And Jessica’s calmly saying, “You know, I’m trying to contact management. Here’s the number.” And she’s like, “Well, I’m the manager. I don’t want you here. Get off.” “Well, are you? Are you not?” “I don’t care.
Get off my property.” So we left. We got what we wanted. I just told her she was rude. She didn’t have to be that way to our face. Like, well, I’m doing it the right way. And you don’t have to be nasty. Like, this is why we’re trying
To call you. It’s to get a yes or no. And it wasn’t so much where it was like, you know, this is my property. Get off. She knew why we were there. You know what I mean? And it didn’t help that we were all dressed in black and I
Was wearing a Halloween shirt with Michael Myers and a giant knife. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It’s not the green hair in the all black clothes. Right? So we’ve had a few instances, but also at the same exact time, we’ve been denied access to places because
It is private property. And they were nice about it. And we really strive to go out of our way to go about things the right way. We get the necessarily permits. We became a film production company and got pricey, pricey, pricey insurance so we can do the soft filming
Location video because that was an actual production. Where was that at? It was shot in LA at like this little warehouse, which is seen in everything. Everything. Everything. We just watched a movie recently. We started pointing at the TV. There was this movie… It’s called The Silo.
No. No. I don’t remember the name of it. But there’s this real… It’s a fun movie where this guy who’s living… He was working like a dead end job. He gets… He has to survive a month. And if he survives a month without getting killed,
He gets a million dollars. It’s a black web game. Yeah. It’s a black web game show. And basically, as long as he’s next to somebody within arm’s reach, these killers in the world won’t kill him. But the moment he’s alone, they can take him out. Fair game.
So he has to like be close to somebody. And it’s like, kind of like a comedy kind of thing. I think it’s on like Hulu or Amazon Prime. Just came out. And a lot of that movie takes place where they filmed Saw. There’s even a scene where they actually run
Through the hallway and through the room where they filmed the bathroom. Can you see the bathroom in the shot? Well, they changed… So they built… That was built. Yeah. They built the bathroom for Saw from the ground up. So it’s not really a bathroom. But we know it ’cause we
Were there and we’re like, oh yeah. Yeah. Is there anything like off limits? Like, will you guys not cover something because it goes a little too far? I think so. Only ’cause there’s a few things we have said no to when people have requested it,
That either it was in too close proximity. Self Reliance. That’s what the show is, yeah. Is that the movie? It was funny. I’m looking at a screen right now. I don’t know if you guys can see it during the podcast, but I’m looking at it. It’s called Self Reliance. We’ll
Put the trailer up. I’m telling secrets. Yeah. I’m telling secrets. It’s a good movie. What? Oh, I interrupted you. I’m sorry. No, that’s okay. This happens when we’re sitting at home on the couch all the time. He’ll look at me and I’m like, what?
What do you want? In no way are we knocking anybody. Again, the greatest thing about YouTube, it allows people to who have a voice, or even if they can’t speak, a way to get free… They can tell their stories, right? We do have a few things,
Rules, if you will. Like for instance, I can’t… I can never pronounce it. Is it the… Uvalde? Uvalde? I’m not sure if I’m saying it right, but I think that’s how it goes. So when that happened, like as soon as it happened, and you saw in the news that
There were flowers and a candlelight vigil all out front of the school. There were people who have YouTube channels that were showing up there going, “You guys can’t be here, but I know you wanna see it. Let’s go ahead and walk the vigil lines. So I’m taking you with
Me.” To us, that just seems a little too much. Perverting a a national tragedy for clicks. It’s just, give it some time. What do we call those? Ambulance chasers. Ambulance chasers. Yeah. Ah, that’s a good name for them. It’s just, at some point I can see us go in
And doing the Columbine. What happened there? The Columbine shooting. We’ll do it respectfully. We’re not jumping out of our skin to go and get… Not that it was too soon or anything, but when something happens just like that, you have to just kind of be…
Use your own discretion. You Know what I mean? I don’t think it’s like any certain rule. There’s no timeline that needs to pass in order for us to feel okay about covering something. It’s completely organic, whether we just feel it’s appropriate or not. And that one just doesn’t…
It doesn’t feel… ‘Cause we don’t do that sort of thing. I mean, we’ll eventually go and tell their story, you know, but it… We don’t wanna descend on something and go, such and such was just murdered here. It’s like, that’s disrespectful to us in our opinion. It is odd
Because it’s like the industry we’re in. People wanna know about like the dark recesses of what’s going on right now. And it’s not unacceptable either. Sorry. ‘Cause there’s reporters, that’s their job literally to show up at a crime scene, to take the gory photographs. Especially that’s how the term
Ambulance chaser began. They made a movie about it with Jake Gyllenhaal. Gyllenhaal. Gyllenhaal, yeah. And not that anyone who does it, in my opinion is… I’m not calling them disrespectful, but to us it doesn’t vibe. Right. Yeah. I think it’s really all about the tone.
Do you know what I mean? Like, if you can do it respectfully and tell the story and not over sensationalize it, then cool. Or not cool, but you know what I mean. But if it’s still in the news and it’s somehow… It feels slightly uncomfortable to
You, maybe you shouldn’t do it. Always trust your gut. If it’s in the news and you’re showing up there and you’re monetizing a video, you know what I mean? Like, that’s just in the news right now. Like for instance, that were… There was this…
The college student, the criminology student who may or may not have murdered three people in a house, but one got out alive, kind of thing. And that court case went on forever. People were… You said it was a criminology student? I think it was law or criminology, or forensic. I think
It was a forensic student. He was a forensic student. So he knew the ins and outs. Right. Yeah. Because there was next to no evidence apparently at first. And eventually, they caught him, et cetera. But even that, like it’s been in the news for a solid year and people were
Already… The whole ambulance chasing. ‘Cause if it’s in the news, a lot of people go, I’m gonna get a lot of clicks. So that’s how I’m gonna make my money. But at the same time, that’s what people watch on true crime. It’s just sometimes enough time
Has passed, sometimes it has. And I think it’s a delicate balance of just feeling that for us, we’re being respectful to the families not to cross that border. It’s like stepping onto someone’s property versus standing on the sidewalk. Well, I think for me,
You kind of said something that just kind of made sense to me. Something just kind of clicked, you know, not saying what we do is everybody’s cup of tea. You know what I mean? But when we do our videos, especially whenever we do true crime videos,
We are very, very adamant and very conscious about leaving what we think out of the equation. You know, was it… We try really hard to just present the facts. This is what happened. This is how it happened. This is probably how it could have been
Prevented or whatever. But it’s not like we’re trying to break somebody’s heart, or try to create a sad sob story, or try to… Do you know what I mean? We’re just reporting this is what it is and this is what it’s like to
Be here, and… But we’re also not a breaking news reporting style. Right. But then, like I’ve watched other people go to some of these locations, and when they’re telling the stories, like it’s almost like… And I’m not saying this is like this,
But it’s almost like crocodile tears, to put it bluntly. You know what I mean? Where it’s like, man, this is really, really hard. I can’t believe that I’m here doing it, but I know you guys wanna see it. So I’m gonna be here for it. Almost as if they
Have to show… You know what I mean? A depressed emotion in order for their audience to accept the nature of the topic. Instead of just plainly putting the facts out there, it’s almost like, oh man, this really sucks. Instead of just going, this happened here, this happened
Here. That’s what happened. And I think that’s also why it seems, or it’s acceptable for news crews or, news channels to go to these places to report on it because they have a way of acknowledging that this is horrible, but they keep themselves out of it. There’s like this, I’m just reporting
This. I’m telling that. Because they’re talking about sports in five seconds live on the air. Yeah. And we do obviously talk about our emotions and our opinions in some of the videos, but that’s more… Whenever we do that sort of opinion, it’s really when we’re remembering
Somebody like, say Selena, I know that we talked about our experiences and how we felt when all of that happened because it was a big part of our adolescence, or at least for mine. And so we’ll talk about things like that. But I don’t think we do that when we
Cover, say, a serial killer or something like that, or unless in that moment, there has been times when I’ve had a hard time with where we were. And I have gotten emotional on camera a couple times and cried. The Bundy one is something that I’ve heard come up
That you got emotional during. Why exactly was that? I mean, I could assume, but what did you guys exactly see and feel walking into those locations where you just couldn’t really handle it? The… It was kind of a domino effect. I remember… I always forget her name. Kimberly Leach.
Kimberly Leach. We followed her story from when she was abducted to… Was that the little girl? Yeah. Yeah. And I think that one in particular out of, say, the sorority girls and such was just particularly brutal in the sense that he did things to her he didn’t do
To other people. And it was very intentionally humiliating, but also like gruesome. There was a couple of facts that like I think it was one of the first times they hypothesized what she may have been conscious through, kind of thing. And I’m one
Of those people who if you say, oh man, I have this weird issue with my foot. This is what happens. This is the kind of pain I feel, my brain will start going there until I can physically feel it. Wow. So I’m very empathetic and my… I don’t wanna say
My brain, but I start to almost become that person, mentally, I’m in their shoes. And it’s almost like getting too close. And it was, they were very graphic in the knowledge of what had happened to her. And I don’t think they were so much in some
Of the other ones, but it was especially her age and where she was found, standing in that spot, knowing all those things and then seeing it. Bundy couldn’t even bear to speak about it. It was pretty bad. They asked him about her a couple of times. And he just wouldn’t…
He wouldn’t even go there. I think with that one, he may have kind of lost himself or like blacked out and like just did the most evil, awful things he’s always wanted to do. And then went, fuck, I went too far. You know what I mean? To the point,
I mean… Yeah. That he can’t even talk about it now. For fucking Bundy to say he went too far… Strike that reverse hat for a little bit for a moment. Going back to what we were talking about earlier about like news crews and stuff like that. You kind of you
Have to feel it out. You have to trust your gut and know when to get, you know, are you talking about the killer or are you talking about the victim and… Big difference. You have to be careful how you approach both of them. You don’t want to… You don’t ever
Want… It’s a whole… You know what I mean? You have to feel it. There’s people out there who shouldn’t be telling these stories and maybe some people think we shouldn’t be doing it, but it’s history’s history whether it’s good or bad. But when we were doing that Bundy video,
That was probably one of the very first times that I actually got scared. And it wasn’t so much because we were at Kimberly’s grave or where she was abducted, or where she was found. Like immortality. We went to the school and we went to the house where the pigpen was,
Or the pen. But when we left, I think we… If I remember… We were leaving that road. Well, no, before that, if I remember correctly, when we left the school where Ted Bundy abducted Kimberly Leach, from that point on, we had to get on the
Highway and we had to drive some distance to get to where he left the body. And in that time, you were taking a nap and I was driving. I do remember this, yeah. And I remember it was quiet. We never listened to the radio whenever we travel.
We could be on the road for 17 hours, the radio never goes on once. It’s just, we talk, or it’s silence and relaxing. And I remember we’re in between these two locations and she’s asleep. And I remember picturing, like I can feel it, you know,
I’m on the same road driving the same direction that Ted Bundy was. And instead of Jessica asleep next to me, back then Bundy had this little girl in the back, unconscious, or… You know what I mean? Like, it was… Like it was a bit too real?
It really like messed with me. It like kind of warped me for a little bit. You looked into the void. Yeah. And it was scary. And I got goosebumps now just thinking about it. And that was one of the only times, if not the only time that I remember going,
Fuck. So both of you guys, I mean the… Oh shit, he said it. I didn’t even realize it at first. We got the F word out of Michael, ladies and gentlemen. But Bundy hit both of you guys in a way where it just
Was really emotional. Did it ever happen outside of Bundy? I mean, was there… I mean, I guess the only reason I ask this is because you would imagine that with two people who see this so often who, you know, live their lives and travel to these different locations over
Time, you’d become, I wouldn’t say… You become desensitized to it. I don’t think that we do. Interesting. We really… In private, we acknowledge what we’re gonna be doing, how sensitive it is. Are there relatives living in the area? Does someone still own the house?
We talk over a lot of the details just to know where we’re gonna be standing, if there’s risks, if there’s someone running out of the house and yelling at us and telling us to fuck off, or these are all… We have a lot of conversations before
We end up arriving somewhere. Or we’ll even rehash dates and things in the car. I don’t think it… Just like we never get over the anxiety of posting something or going live or talking in front of a camera, I think maybe that’s just a part of
Our nature that we don’t get over these gruesome things that happen to people. And that’s why we wanna tell their story. I would say that anytime when we do something on… When there’s a killer involved, like a serial killer, a mass murderer, a
Spree killer, they’re all different. And the definition that separates them all is a little… To me, is very interesting. What’s the difference between a serial killer and a spree killer, a mass murderer? And a lot of times, I’m always presenting the facts. Like you said,
Jessica’s always like in the background doing something. And then Jessica, I feel like you get more emotional or it hits you harder, especially whenever we start talking about the actual crime itself. Like, what was actually done. When we did the… I touch it too closely
Mentally. Yeah. Yeah. Like when we did the Ed Gein video, and even if you just kind of read off what they’re accused of, or when we did Albert Fish… Albert Fish. that was hard for me. Yeah. There’s a… You know, like whenever there’s a court,
Whenever somebody’s on trial, this is what they did, but there’s power in words. And being able to… Going into a place and seeing it and acknowledging it, but actually saying the words. Especially if it’s something that this is not in your wheelhouse, something
That you would never do in real life, and you’re sitting there in a spot where this actually happened, or it’s connected and you actually say them out loud. This is what happened. It hits you harder. ‘Cause there’s a bit more to it than that
Too because we’ll be at a location discussing things, and oftentimes, we’re also discussing what led up to that or what happened next. We are literally walking the footsteps, not so much trying to understand why they did what they did. They simply did what they did.
But you kind of almost have to… I mean, you don’t have to, but I do, maybe sometimes too closely, I’m putting my feet in those footsteps. I am that person. I’m seeing the victim and then the actions coming to that. And I don’t know if I’ve ever really talked about
It before, about like how I’m very empathetic, I can feel emotions and energies from people really, really easily. You got a strong reaction to the Conjuring House, and the first thing that popped up in my head is I wonder if Jessica’s clairvoyant.
I think I’m a little sensitive. Yeah. And it’s so funny because I was so excited to do the Conjuring House and I didn’t think… We never think we’re gonna experience anything. We’re kind of skeptics, but also believers. And I found the house itself to be so peaceful,
But it was the grounds. I felt like someone was pushing their thumbs in my throat. Geez. Yeah. Michael, you and I have a very similar outlook when it comes to paranormal. I’m not sure if you feel the same. I’ve heard you mention it in
Interviews where it’s like, I have a hard time believing people’s stories. I have to see it, I have to feel it. And I felt things before, but it was never definitive proof. And you ran ghost tours at some point, right? Was there anything that happened during those tours or even throughout your
Travels that kind of challenged that a little bit, made you think maybe there is something a little more out there? Ooh. Good question. I love getting that. My favorite two words on the show. If you’re ever not sure about what’s happening with him,
Just look at my face. Okay? Like, he loves… He’s a amazing storyteller and he will lead you where he wants you to go. And I can’t contain myself on his bullshit. Yeah. Just keep saying Good question. Good question. So when it comes to
Ghosts and the paranormal, I have a love hate relationship with it. Love hate relationship. And I have a lot to say about it. And at the same exact time. And I have a lot to say. So that’s all I’m gonna say. Oh man. No, I’m kidding.
No. It’s odd. You’ve dug deep into our channel. How many times have you seen us go ghost hunting on the channel? Not very much. Right? For some reason, some people think that’s all we do. Yeah. I don’t get it. They do though. I do. They do.
And it’s like, which I get it, but like, we’ll go to a place like the Conjuring House. You brought that up. So many people have gone there and they go ghost hunting. They’re like, “Oh my God, did you see that. This place is haunted?” They freak out,
And it’s like, holy crap. You know what I mean? It’s ghost hunters incarnate, which I respect. Everybody has their thing. But when we went… I think we were the only people that went there and did what we did, where we actually sat down with a
Member of the family and talked to them about it. Yeah. What a trip. And then we went to that house, and then we used that interview. And some people said that there’s some inconsistencies and stuff like that, which is perfectly fine. It is what
It is. But the moment where… And we showed this on camera, where that staircase that went from the first floor up to the second floor, and in that video, we crouched down at the bottom of the steps, like she would have, Andrea, whenever she was a little girl and
She watched the Warrens do the exorcist of her mother in that same exact spot. That was one of the most chilling things I’ve ever done in my life. Wow. It was to be there. And when you talk about ghost tours, ghost… The ghost of Savannah. I’ve
Always been a believer. I’ve always had things happen, but not as much as they were happening whenever we were in Savannah, Georgia. And I’m just gonna say this, I’m gonna go on record. I’m gonna… I’m just gonna go say this. Every ghost hunting channel that
You see online, any YouTube channel, the TV shows, Ghost Adventures, ghost hunters, anything that you see that you watch and you’re like, man, this is like the best show, I don’t believe any of it. I don’t. And the reason for that… Maybe some. Maybe some. Like 2%.
But whenever we were in this house, there’s a house in Savannah, Georgia called the Sorrel Weed House. And that’s the house that we were working at. We have both seen things with our own two eyes. We’ve had things thrown at us. We’ve heard things. I’ve seen full body
Apparitions. I was on tours. I was giving tours to people. Full body apparitions happen. Photographs were taken with full body apparitions. We have photos. And every ghost hunting show that I’ve ever watched has never shown anything that looks like what we saw in Savannah, Georgia. Do
You think it’s ’cause it’s hard to capture on camera, or you think it’s just ’cause… We were there for probably about five years, I think, doing ghost hunts, and only a handful of times is whenever we would experience stuff in one of the most haunted cities in America,
And it’s… It’s more like logical when you watch some of these ghost shows. You can’t get that much activity every time you go to a place. That is just factually impossible. And I think the only ghost show that I like is, I think it’s maybe the first
Season or the second season, first two seasons of Ghost Hunters with Jason Hawes and Steve Gonsalves and stuff, is they were doing this amazing thing where they would go to a place and something would happen. They would do their best to debunk it. And even if it was
Like, well, there was somebody in the other room who sneezed, that could explain what we experienced, so we can’t say it’s haunted. And then all of a sudden, after a couple years, everything’s haunted. And it was just like, ah, but afterwards, we can’t really show them here, I guess.
Or maybe we can. We’ll give… We’ll show them. Yeah. So there’s a… We were in the Sorrel Weed House and there was the… You walk in and to the left, there’s the men and women’s parlor, and they had these giant, giant mirrors, like bigger than this wall that’s
Behind me. not that big. Like half the size. They’re pretty large. They’re like 10 foot mirrors. They’re pretty large. And we would, take people in and say,”Oh, on this tour, while you’re in here, take a picture inside the mirror.” Because a lot of times,
People would show up in your photos in the reflection that aren’t in the room. So for instance, you would have like maybe 10 people. Yeah. You’d have 10 people in the room. There’s no way that that person wasn’t right there. We gotta bookmark this picture. I gotta put it
Up on screen. Oh, we have one that’s better than that. So… That clear of an image of a person.? Even better. I got goosebumps. Sorrel Weed House doesn’t even have this picture that I’m gonna show you. They might now. It used to be on their
Website. I know. I think there’s a lot of like drama that happened with them. I feel, I don’t like saying the name of the place, but it’s history. It’s not the house. It was the people who were running it at the time. But they don’t have this picture.
But you can stand in the room and count, there’s… Let’s say there’s like five people in the room, and you take a picture in the mirror. If there’s six people, what the heck? So I’m talking, and I talk a lot with my hands.
And he’s 6’2″. I just wanna note that in case you’re not familiar. Yeah. So I’m a 6’2″, and there’s a woman on the other side of the room who starts losing her mind. She starts screaming, “Oh my God, you gotta see this picture. You gotta see this picture.
You gotta see this picture.” And she runs over, she shows it to me. You can see me in the mirror, skin color, you know, skin color. You can see other people in the mirror, skin color. Looming above me, looking over my shoulder, looking over my shoulder is
This gray woman. And you could see her hair, you can see like a headband. You could see the facial features. And she wasn’t there. And what’s interesting about this, when I say full body apparitions, watch, this is gonna start showing up everywhere now.
Have you ever been into a cemetery at night? Yeah. Have you ever shined a flashlight on a statue in a cemetery? No. So when you shine a flashlight on a statue in a cemetery, they’re like gray, right? But when you hit light in that kind of like high contrast,
They look almost like this… Slate? Bright gray slate color. Those are the full body apparitions we would see. And that’s what showed up in this photo. There was a story… I have it on my phone, I’ll give it to you. So there’s like the main house and
This… The quarters across and in between was like this little field… Not a field, but like a. It’s a carriage entrance. Like a garden. I’m standing on a planter and I got a flashlight and I’m talking about the lady of the house who was up there and she committed
Suicide by jumping over, and she landed right there. There’s 15, 20 people, and I’m using the flashlight and I’m pointing out things. And as soon as I point that up there, that ash… That gray woman, she was like, she just ran and disappeared
Into a wall. Everybody saw it. Everybody? Everybody. And I’ve never seen anything like this on any ghost show where you’re like, “Oh, there’s a shadow figure up there.” That’s insane. It’s like, where are these like things? So at the Sorrel Weed House, it was somebody who killed themselves
At the house. Yes. But there’s a lot of deaths. There’s a lot deaths, yeah. Yeah. There’s a long history. Is this like a Lemp mansion kind of thing? Everybody moves in? Yeah, very much. And it doesn’t help that this… The house is basically built on
The battlegrounds and… I mean, you can dig deep. You can dig deep. Yeah. The suicides at the Sorrel Weed House. So Lady Sorrel, the woman who was the woman at the house, she’s the one that I believe is the full body apparition that we would see all the
Time. We’ve had… I was giving a tour in one of the dining rooms and a candlestick, not the metal part, but the candle itself just gets whipped across the room. And we’re like, we’re done, we’re out. Could we scroll down to where it says anything
About the suicides there? Francis Sorrel married… And there’s also possible murders. Lucinda Moxley… Lucinda Moxley. Soon after arriving in the United States, Lucinda was from a wealthy family who did business with Francis. Lucinda died a few years later after they married. So Francis,
The classy man that he is… Matilda. Molly. Matilda. By jumping off the second floor balcony, Matilda, she landed headfirst, cracking her skull open at the floor of the concrete. So I would give tours where she landed and I put the flashlight up to the railing and we
Saw her there. And then she ran and she was gone. That is insane. People will come up to us at like shows and conventions and they’ll tell me their ghost stories. And it’s really hard… Like respectfully, I have a lot of respect for them. I do.
But it’s really hard to hear people tell me ghost stories because a lot of times it’s like orbs or shadows, or I heard a noise. And it’s like… Not just that, but when they do those at conventions, we have a long line usually. And when someone starts to tell you
A ghost story, it’s like a 20 minute story. And we just, we have to move things along. People wait hours. And it’s just not the proper place to step aside and tell a ghost story. So I think it’s a little bit of a double frustration.
And honestly, I just want somebody to walk up to me or see a ghost show saying this is a full body apparition and to see what I saw. To see what we saw. To see what we captured. And it’s just, and it’s not like we’re trying to like keep this
Photo to ourselves. I said that this Sorrel Weed House doesn’t have this photo. As far as I know, they don’t have the photo. And it’s only because the people who are running it at the time were not very nice. I gotta see it. Who’s got the photo?
Do you have your phone? It’s in my phone. Yeah. At… We’ll get it later on. It’s over there. Or if you wanna grab it. Yeah, it’s fine. In my… The black bag. It’s a pink phone with a Hello Kitty. This os so unconventional. Do you have like… Do you acknowledge things offside the
Podcast? Yeah. All right, cool. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Thank You. This is supposed to be as natural as possible. In the beginning of starting the show, it was too formulaic. And I think what I wanted to do over time was make it more personal, let people know that
There’s cameras in here and… So when the pizza guy delivers so you can get him on camera. Well, just put the pizza right there in the middle of the table. Like, no tip for you. Yeah. No tip. What was that? Mr. Pink? Was it Steve Buscemi. And the…
So that’s the original photo. And then if you swipe, it’s a… So here’s the original photo. Okay. All right. Close Up. Okay. So that’s the mirror that we see. So right. That? Are you talking about that thing right there? Yeah. You could see that’s me.
You can see the skin color. You can see my tone. Like. It’s like sniffing the back of your head. Yeah, it’s too close. Now remember, he’s 6’2 like flatfooted. And I guarantee he was wearing his Doc Martens at the time, which would’ve made him like six three. So that
Is… So a lady casually looking over the shoulder of a guy who’s six foot three. Oh my god, that is haunting. Tell me. Literally. Right? So even just seeing this photo… And of course, I completely understand if somebody says, “Well, I wasn’t there when the
Photo was taken, how do I know that it’s not real?” And I would tell people all the time, “Listen, I don’t care. Eventually you’re gonna have something happen to you.” If you’re lucky. And that’s when you’ll be a believer if you’re lucky. But like, when
You see that and then all of a sudden you watch like the ghost shows or you watch this, who a lot of the time it’s for sensation only. And they say, “Oh, right over there for a split second I saw a shadow figure. It’s like, come on. Or I got a
Heat signature. Yeah. That’s why I like Ghost Adventures, though. I feel like Zak is hilarious. Like, ghosts will tell him he has sick tattoos. Seriously. You like these tattoos? Is this one of the nuns reacting to one of my tattoos? Why are the ghosts always speaking in English,
By the way? Modern English? Or so attracted to Zak? Yeah. This house was built on battle lines that were of French soldier, and they died there. You can actually be in the basement of this house, run EVP sessions and get people speaking French to you. Speaking French.
Yeah. Jesus. God. We were once doing a tour and I had my EVP going and I was getting some responses to questions, which was always like, oh my God. Just, you know, responses. And then the person who was watching our live feed up in the monitor room came running into
The room overly excited and they’re like, “Do you guys hear that?” We’re like, “Yeah. The EVP, I think it said no maybe.” He’s like, “No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.” He’s like, “You don’t understand. When you guys speak French, I’m hearing a clear French response through my monitor.”
And we’re like, “We’re not hearing that in the room, though.” That is such an interesting observation ’cause on all of the ghost shows, even if they’re in Transylvania, they’re speaking English. Yeah. But I’ve even had that experience when I was in Orlando and he was in
Savannah. I was watching him live on the feed. ‘Cause they would do these overnights where you can watch it live. And I was hearing music while he and other people stood in the room and they didn’t hear it. Interesting. Like party music ’cause that’s
Where they used to have their, their gatherings, their galas. And we get asked all the time, can you guys do ghost hunting on your channel? And I firmly believe 100000000% believe that any time that we go ghost hunting, unless I see something like a picture like that, I’m not gonna
Be like, oh yeah, this place isn’t haunted. Or be like, this is a waste of time. You know what I mean? I might get excited about things. I’ll never say never. A little creeped out. A little bit creeped out. That we’re never not gonna to do
It. But I think depending on what it is, we could totally have fun. But I don’t think we would be lucky enough to catch something like you see on the television shows. But also, these television shows, were often crushed down to half an hour, one hour segments and people
Are there overnight. So you’re obviously gonna see all the good bits. But we’ve also known and become acquaintances of people who own these properties that some of these channels went to. And they’re like, “Yeah, I watched them and they were totally making shit up.” Like, it’s absolutely
Fake. They even got the information about the house wrong. They got the information of my experiences wrong. They were having experiences none of us have ever had. Yeah. And have like confirmed that they were making shit up. But… That’s the thing though… Who knows. We used to break
Into this… Not break in. All the windows were broken anyway. We used to climb into this abandoned building. They called it the 6 6 6 house here in Vegas. A bunch of abandoned cars in the back. People used to go in there and do seances and shit, allegedly.
It was funny. Me and my friends would go in there and I’d grab a rock and I’d throw it, and on the other end of the hallway, it makes a noise. Everybody’s like, what was that? And even though I’m the one who threw it, I’m like,
What was that? You kind of want to believe it. There’s a piece of you that really wants to believe it when you’re there. But when we’re kids, we’re a lot more sensitive. It’s a lot harder to make things up. Michael, you have an amazing story about when you
Were a kid and you experienced something paranormal. But Jessica, let me switch it over to you for a second. I mean, did you have anything growing up that kind of… Yes and yes. Yeah. A lot actually. I experienced a lot of stuff as a kid.
Just from like a variety of things. So one of the houses that I lived in in St. Charles, Missouri, we came to find out afterwards, was part of the Underground Railroad. So that house had a lot of activity and it was… The bones of the house was the slave quarters.
And across the house was a plantation house. Nothing evil or anything. Just a lot of noises, TV on, off, on, off, on, on, off, on. Like, all the time. The dogs were barking at things that weren’t there. Even like being scooted back down a hallway, like they were trying to
Keep somebody back and they just kept walking down the hallway, kind of stuff. Doors would open and shut by themselves, that sort of stuff. My mom saw an apparition and my sister heard someone talking to her ear. What did it say? Get out. Oh my God.
That’s like the worst thing it could have said. While she was trying to fall asleep. Yeah. We once saw an impression appear on a mirror or a little tiny makeup mirror, and like in front of our eyes, it just… It’s if someone had rolled it across their face and you know
How you leave the greasy whatever on our like… Whatever. Even if… We brushed all that off. ‘Cause it’s like, you won’t have… We live here. We have to pretend like maybe that… What’s happening is not really happening. But even outside of that, I think I maybe was sensitive when
I was younger and I just, I never thought of it on that terms because I would have conversations with people and I would stop them because I would get these like really strong emotions or images in my head and I would have to tell them
This. And I’m like, I have no idea what this means, but my mind is telling me to say this. You don’t have to respond or tell me shit. You know, just there it is. And I usually would say something in the end.
And I once described someone’s… The pattern on the China of their favorite restaurant for no good reason. And I’ve never been there. And they were actually not even like sitting with me. I was talking to them over the phone. I was like… So something you intuitively knew? Or was like
Something was giving you an answer? I don’t know. That’s happened all my life. Interesting. I’ve… I’m gonna get really sappy here, guys. I have had premonitions about Michael my entire life. How he… Not like his face ’cause I’ve never seen… I don’t see
Faces. I see your face. You’re very handsome. I love you. Gorgeous. Love it. Like in my dreams, I don’t see faces. And in these kind of premonitions, I’ve never seen a face. But I knew X, Y, Z description was gonna be the man that
I ended up with. And I knew that I was gonna end up in California. I never knew why. I just knew at some point in my life, I was gonna live in California. I was gonna live in Florida. I was gonna live in New York and I was gonna live
In other places. I wasn’t sure. And I’ve lived in all of those places and I would meet people who felt like they’re the person that was trying to fit this mold. And I’d be like, this isn’t… No, this is bad. You’re not it. For whatever…
You’re a great guy, great person. But it’s like, I don’t know what I’m looking for. Maybe I’m crazy. I don’t know. And then we met and we were married within six months. That’s crazy. And so, yeah. It sounds like you have yourself like a
Friendly ghost that follows you around and gives you nice answers. You know, yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Guides you in the right direction. Well, they’re doing a really shitty job most of the time. But… Oh man. Oops. No, I… Well, let me talk to. You know, being sensitive or just clairvoyant? I don’t really know.
I’ve never really tried to deep dive into myself like that. Just, I have fun experiences. That’s all I know. Yeah. Well, you know, you could tell ’cause when you’re on location, it… Like I said, it, it really feels like you’re the moniker for how the audience
Should feel. Now Michael, when you were younger, you also had a paranormal experience that sounded like it was straight out of a freaking movie. Oh yeah. And I wanted it in the show ’cause it sent shivers up my spine when I first heard it. Can I guess it?
Yes. Is it the grandma? Yeah. Okay. Oh man. I love this story too. I love hearing him tell this. The floor is yours, sir. The floor is mine. Okay. So I will… I’m gonna really tell you the story. Hell yes. ‘Cause what you’ve heard
Is wrong. No. So just like a lot of people, you know, teenage years can be rough. And I had them pretty bad… Childhood really wasn’t that great. Had a lot of issues, suffered from depression. I was a cutter, like self mutilation, stuff like that. And I spent… A
Lot of my high school time was actually spent in psychiatric hospitals. So not many people know that. You know that. But, in and out of different hospitals, this and that. And a lot of trying to figure out what was going wrong at the time or this
And that. And they put me on this medication. It didn’t work. They put me on this medication, it didn’t work. Put me on this medication, didn’t work. And then they put me on this stuff called Haldol. Haldol? Haldol, Haldol. Haldol. Now, I used to call it Fire Barbie.
Hell Fire Doll Barbie, Fire Barbie. And if I’m not mistaken, somebody who’s listening to this or watching this is going to probably Google it and figure it all out. But if I’m not mistaken, Haldol was used for like people with schizophrenia or like Psychotic issues,
Which I didn’t have. But the doctors gave it to me and they put… They gave me a lot of it, a lot to the point where I… It messes with your vision. So if I wrote my hand on my palm, I wouldn’t be able to read it. And it put you to sleep.
So I couldn’t stay awake for the life of me. But for some reason, I was really good at math. Really good at math. Like, I’m… I understood algebra, I understood calculus, and this and that, blah, blah blah. Did they ever make you draw a clock?
No. Oh, they should have. I would’ve loved to have seen that. Wait, why? Yeah. Right Why? There’s a thing, you’ll see it in some shows like Mindhunter and Hannibal, when someone is, I guess, undergoing either drugs or Psychosis, you have them draw a clock with hands on
It and it’ll almost tell you what’s happening to their mind as they either progress, regress or heal. And it’s, it, yeah. There’s a lot of different varieties of how it’s going to look. And it’s not gonna look like a clock at all, basically. It’ll look like the numbers have fell off
Or things like that. And it’ll kind of… It’s supposed to be like looking at the Rorschachs. Yeah. So like that? I didn’t draw a clock, but I had a sketchbook filled with pictures that I drew with my own blood. Oh wow.
I didn’t know that part. Yeah, they confiscated that one. I never saw that, but it was… For I used that, like Yeah. He’s actually a really good artist, but he never draws. Really. We’ll talk about that some more time. So I get released from this hospital
Still I can’t see in front of me. And I’m just out of it. And I go and live with my dad in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And I was sitting on the porch. Oh man, this is not the one. There’s a lot. This is a lot. Yeah. So I
Told you, I’m telling you a lot, right? Yeah. I’m sitting on the front porch and I remember my dad and my sister, my younger sister, saying that they’re gonna run to the store. And I was reading, or I was doing something on the front porch. It was a beautiful
Day, this and that. And I remember them getting in the car and leaving, and then all of a sudden they were back. And so this was like the front porch. How can I do this? So this is the front porch. I’m sitting here. And then they would
Have steps that went up to the thing, right? And there was this wall here. So if you’re sitting down, you couldn’t see up here. So I remember my dad and my sister coming back, and they were standing there right at the top of the steps. And they said,
“Hey, Michael, watch this.” And I look up and they just kind of did like the trust fall, but forward. And then they fell and they were gone. They just completely disappeared. And I lost my mind. I was like, whatever. And I was laying on the…
They actually did come home and I was like laying on the front porch, like losing my mind. So they put me up to bed and they’re on the phone with the doctors, trying to figure out what’s happening. You were running a fever, if I remember. I was running
A fever. I was running a fever and I went to bed. And I remember waking up in the middle of the night. It was like this fever dream, like found out later on I was really close to death. And there was this woman, she kind of had like this gentle glow about her.
I don’t remember any facial features. I don’t remember if she was gray like that. I just remember she just kind of glowed, almost like a light. And she put her hand on my leg in the middle of the night and she was talking to
Me and she told me everything was gonna be fine. And I remember her telling me who she was. She was just talking. And it was so soothing and so comforting. And the next morning, was having a conversation with my dad. They’re trying to figure out what
To do. And he was telling me about this, that I was having this conversation. And I told him about the woman. And I described the woman to her. And it turns out that was his mother. I’ve never seen a picture of her before. And she died
In that house whenever he was like 12 years old from like dysentery. And that was her bedroom. So it was just like, I get goosebumps now thinking about this. And I ended up going back to the hospital. They brought me to the emergency room. And it turns out that the
Hospital that released me basically overdosed me on this, that if I would’ve went an extra night with taking more medication, I probably wouldn’t have woken up. So that’s the whole entire story about that. It’s just crazy to know that you were on that amount of
Substances and that close to death. It’s almost like you were teetering and purgatory in a way. Very scary. You know Mike, I wonder… The veil was thin. Yeah. The veil. Yeah. Do you guys have like a theory on the afterlife? What comes after death?
I had this conversation with my dad the other day. Not really. Like me personally, I don’t know if there’s a… When it comes to heaven and hell and purgatory and this and that, I am… I feel like I’m a firm believer that we are all just
Energy. And the energy just kind of goes back to being other energy, if that makes sense. You know what I mean? You hear ghost hunters talking about residual energy or residual hauntings. And you can touch something and then you move your hand away, it still leaves like a warm imprint to it.
I really think that’s all that we are. Yeah. That’s interesting. You know, I think that just, it would be unfortunate to chalk up consciousness and our personalities and our spirits down to like an evolutionary accident. It’s aliens. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that would
Make more sense than evolution. I think honestly, any of them could be possible. I think I definitely believe in energies. Obviously, I am full on believing in energies. I love hugging trees. They can feel it. Grass greens. Okay. Like, these are scientifically proven
Things. I think definitely there’s an energy thing and science has proven that when we are on our deathbed and dying, there’s a lot of things firing. So I don’t believe, or I don’t disbelieve that you probably are gonna see a lot of things. And that might depend on your
Personal beliefs. So like, if you’re religious already, I think it’s all possible. And I think if it’s an energy thing, you might even create your own experience. Or not. That’s true, though. ‘Cause you know how if you have bad thoughts all day,
You could go to sleep and have a nightmare. If you have good thoughts all day, you might have a good dream. What if that’s what heaven and hell is technically, a lifetime of thoughts is just what you get. Purgatory is because you’re not ready. Exactly. Like, there’s been
A lot of like, theory about that as like, you know, as a soul, you’re almost too afraid to die ’cause you don’t wanna go to hell. But it’s like, until you can accept what life is, you can’t move on. But then… Why did you bring this up? Like scientifically,
We have proven that there’s like four dimensions and each dimension has like different wavelengths and experiences and energies and all that. And supposedly, there’s like dozens of dimensions that we can’t even like capture yet, but we know they physically exist, which messes with my brain.
Yeah, same. Like, if we were able to tap into one of the dimensions, I don’t remember which one, like the fifth or something, supposedly that’s where the ghosts residual… I don’t know. There’s so many ifs and buts and I think it’s all… I believe in all
Of it, and I also don’t believe in all of it. I’m open to all possibilities. Yeah. Same. I like to think that we live on at least after this a little bit. The thought of death scares the shit out of me. But it is an interesting paradox,
Though. We seek out these emotions of fear and sorrow and somehow they turn back into gratitude and… Gratitude. What I always find interesting is there’s so many different accounts of different things. You have two people that have near death experiences or they die and they come back and one person can say that
They’ve experienced this or they’ve seen this, and another person says, I saw nothing. You know what I mean? It’s like, is there any… Like the SNL skit with the aliens? Yeah, is there anything out there? Or is it really just… How do I say it politely?
The power of creativity? Each person sees something a little bit different, which can also lead into the theory that heaven is what… The idea of heaven is individual to each person, kind of thing. You know what I mean? So I don’t know, you asked the question that should never be asked
On a podcast. Well, you know, it’s… That’s… Or in an interview. Well, it’s… It all teeters on the same thing. It’s the unknown. And that’s why we love horror is because it does make us question. There are two different takes. There’s the love craft take of this cosmic
Fear, this cosmic awe of watching horror essentially puts us back in this primitive state of looking up at the cosmos and wondering what’s out there. You know, having the sense of inspiration, but also being scared shitless. Yeah. Whereas like Stephen King kind of has a little bit of a
Different take. He thinks that there’s… I think he says, it’s a Republican in a three piece suit that works as a banker. And when we watch horror films, we’re essentially… ’cause it follows the… It’s, everything’s normal. Now, it’s abnormal and then it’s restored to normal
At the end of the film. That’s like, it’s a social safety valve. It makes us feel okay that everything is gonna be fine. What do you guys teeter more on? Is this something that kind of awe inspires you? Or would you say that it does kind of
Restore your sense of normality in the world? Go for that one. I am kind of on the same wavelength as you are, where I don’t know if it’s a construct of my anxiety that I’m a doom thinker and I don’t mean doomsday, but like the worst possible outcomes of every situation are
Constantly running through my mind. And it hits me hardest at night, especially if something happening to him, to the point where it literally keeps me up at night. And I will kick him to make sure he’s still breathing because I can’t sense him and I can’t see him
Breathing. I’ll give him a good hard kick, and then he’ll move. And I’m like, oh, he’s fine. He’s fine. He’s good. He’s good. He’s good. He is like… Chill out, chill out. And I feel like I’m always fighting with that part of myself.
There’s part of me going, shut the fuck up and let me sleep. And the other part’s like, oh, what if there’s carbon monoxide? Or something stupid or something that happened 10 years ago won’t let me go. But I can say that there’s one thing, there’s one story at least,
Or a theory that stayed with me for a long time. It was a very short story I read. And I don’t know the author that… The gist of it was, you are every single person on this planet and you are capable of all of
These things that every single person does. Even if you as your reincarnation now cannot fathom it. That until you can move on peacefully, you have to live every single one of these lives to understand existence. And that you are the happy housewife and you’re
Also the serial killer. Yeah. And all that kind of thing. Then you’re going… and hard, you’re going, no, I could never. And it’s like, well, you are human and as humanity, you are capable. But it’s your personal choices that keep you from that. And at the
Same time, you are all of it because that’s humanity. And it’s like you’re incarnated into every single person who does all these horrible things and wonderful things, you know? And then you eventually you become so enlightened by all of these perspectives, I guess. And then you’re able to move on peacefully or something
Like that. And I think that’s the thing that kind of stuck with me. ‘Cause it’s like, I think we all have our darknesses and have maybe had impulses that have shocked us and we’ve either kept going or stepped away. ‘Cause that’s personal choice. We have freedom.
Well, whatever you wanna call it. What do they call it in Catholicism? Free will. Just free will I think is like… I think so. Is like literally… Yeah. What about you? Man, I don’t even know where to begin with all that stuff. My mind was just like spinning with like…
While you’re thinking on it, I wanna throw out a fun fact about him that people don’t often know, is that apparently at one point, he almost became a priest. Interesting. Oh, I thought you were gonna say something else. But he’s not religious, which is… Always thought I was
Really amused by. That would’ve been a great career choice. You’d look good as a priest. see you in the priest outfit. Right? I think he would’ve looked really good with the collar and all that. Yeah. Bit of a demonic priest. I actually got kicked out of a church and asked never to
Come back unless I found God again. Oh, I remember this. That’s amazing. Was this recent? No, no, no. This was whatever… And the funny thing was, I saw the minister who asked me not to come back. Weren’t you having like a medical emergency but it disrupted things to the
Point they’re like bye? No, to add more context. I was a… Not a youth minister, but I was a youth worship leader for… This was not… This is… All right. So grew up Catholic. Well, didn’t grow up Catholic, but there’s a lot… Okay.
It’s a mess. But at this point in my life, I was at a full gospel church in Pittsburgh and I was a youth worship leader, singing and playing guitar and leading worship for people. And, just, life started really happening. And I… It was… It became really
Hard for me to get up and lead people and like praise. Ultimately, through some things there. I didn’t do anything wrong. I didn’t show up, you know, whatever. But they literally said, people seeing you is making people not being rejoiced. They can’t rejoice in in the Lord seeing you. Because you were alternative.
So, no, it was…, I was always like that. But like, it was just different. And they said that… Not to come back, basically. I’m not welcome in this church. That’s crazy. Unless I rekindle or find my passion in Christ again. And I had to leave. And that was
It. I never went back. And then years later I saw the same guy and he is like, dude, I’m so sorry. I shouldn’t have done that. Too bad. What an asshole. Did that like change your perspective on religion as a whole? Majorly. Yeah. And I mean, it… People hear this
Story over time and they say, you know, that’s the perfect example of like people in the church and not like God himself or things like that. But I mean, it’s just a big mess. Well, you know, through all these travels, through all the, you know, stories
You guys shared today, at what point exactly did you guys know, okay, we’re gonna do this for a living. Let’s quit everything we’re doing and let’s take this on full time. I like this one. That’s a good sequitur. It’s a what? Thank you. It’s a good sequitur. Sequitur. Yeah.
So, okay. It all comes down to Mother. You see, Jessica and I, we were living in Orlando, Florida with her mother… Mother. And we decided to take a trip to California. So we booked a trip to California. And at the time,
It was… The world was starting to become a very not so pleasant place. And I mean by this, you know, the whole COVID, everything was happening. And it was like, I remember we bought the tickets to go visit California for like a week and a half.
And… It was my first time. First time ever for her. Yeah. And we’re traveling there. We’re at the airport and it was… California has three confirmed cases. New York has two. That was it. That was it. Was the decision to move boiling up
Beforehand? I mean, were you guys thinking about this for a while? I think he used to live here, or I’m sorry, he used to live in California for a short period and I think he’s always been longing to come back. Yeah. So it was, always wanted to, but it was like,
Can we do it? Can we not do it? You know what I mean? I think everybody knows that California is parts, A lot of California can be a rather pricey place to live. And, if you don’t play your cards right. And so we come out here for a week and
A half. Not here to California. We’re in, do people know where this is? Can we say? I think so. Yeah. Vegas. Yeah. Vegas. We’re in Baltimore. So California has like four cases. New York has maybe three this and that. And we come out here and nobody’s wearing masks.
By the time the week and a half is over, it happened so quickly. Everybody in the airports were wearing masks. Everybody… The cases were popping up like crazy, like this and that. We come back and we’re staying in a spare bedroom at her parents’ house.
And one of her friends gets… Ends up passing away. I don’t wanna get too much into that, but… No, it’s fine. She didn’t die of COVID. She was born with a heart defect and she had just had open heart surgery, and unfortunately, she didn’t pull through. Yeah. I’m sorry to
Hear that. So that mix with everything that was happening in the world, and I remember laying in bed one night with her and we were like, we’re having this conversation. And it… The question really formulated like this, if this really hits the fan, like really, really bad. Do we wanna die in Florida?
No. And having not experienced other things. Yeah. So right then and there, we decided we’re going to put everything we have… ‘Cause we’re also at a point where, do we set roots down here in Florida? Or do we, where do we set up roots? Where do we move?
Where do we start our family, us? And I’d fallen in love with Los Angeles. It was my first time and I didn’t know how beautiful it could be because I’ve heard nothing pleasant my entire life. I thought it was gonna be this nasty metropolis. And it was like so
Green. And then there’s the mountains and the deserts and the oceans. And I was like, why don’t people talk about this? Like, yeah. It’s nothing like what people say it is. And it really was like a perfect storm. Because right around this time, we were getting fed up
With creating theme park videos. There’s this whole like, theme park. Like, everybody’s gotta be the first to do the videos and stuff. It was killing us. We’re like, so… We noticed that every time we wanted to do content we were interested in, we had to travel outside
Of Florida. Yeah. And so we decided to put all of our effort, all of our energy, all of our money, all of our hopes and dreams, everything we had into move into California. And we did. We set the date. We’re the type of people that if we say
We’re gonna do something, we do it. You know, there’s no like, oh, maybe we try to exclude words like maybe or one day… One day. Or someday. Someday. This is when we’re gonna do it and we do it. And so we said January 1st started, the new year,
We’re gonna leave and head out to California. And we did. And some people were happy about it, some people weren’t. And it’s just, this is what we wanted. To get to your question. I always take the long way around. Yeah. That’s the best… We’re used to it. Yeah.
No, that’s great. It’s okay. We’re used to it. To get to the part that we were finally doing Grimm Life Full time. In every YouTube content creator’s arsenal, you’re gonna find something very similar to this. They’re either… A decision comes up.
You either give it up or you don’t. Or you go full time. You have to do… You’re taking too much time away from work. You can’t do that. You have to be here. So one or the other, which one is it? Very similar. So
We were driving a Honda Element, we drove it across country. It was packed to the brim. And I was a manager at an AutoZone. Not a manager, but like… In LA? Yeah. I was one in Orlando and I transferred to an AutoZone in LA. So that was awesome
’cause I already had a job. Did you guys do anything on the drive out there, though? Yeah. ‘Cause I’d love to see like the monster museums and the barbecue gas stations of the country. We did some stuff. We went to Billy the Kid’s grave. We did a thing on that.
We also stopped in Austin and we did the Museum of the Weird In Austin. People like to point out how I was walking around in the snow in flip flops. Yeah New Mexico. shoes. Such a Florida thing. So we get here and within the first three months of living here…
Now keep in mind, you know, poor kid from Pittsburgh, a poor girl from St. Louis who has been staying living in her parents’ back bedroom for the past couple years. Just put all of their hopes and dreams, all of their money into moving across country to what some would say
Is the most expensive state in the country, California. We were getting to the point of like, we were saving up for like our first month’s, last month’s deposit because out in Orlando, it was really, really high. We get here… More expensive than LA? It’s about on par. It’s
About the same. Yeah. Wow. We didn’t know that yet until we went out to California and started looking into it. So I… We have one car, it’s a Honda Element. And I go to work, and in broad daylight in the middle of my shift, broad daylight, somebody goes out or
Somebody comes to the parking lot and cuts the catalytic converter out of our car. And not only cuts it out, but completely destroys the bottom of the car. They butchered the car. It gets butchered. And our Honda Element, because we were driving across country with it, had such high mileage that
The insurance company was like… This is totaled. They totaled it. So now we didn’t have a car and we couldn’t do videos because we didn’t have a way to get around. And my work was like, you gotta be at work. I know you gotta look for a car, but you gotta
Be here. I don’t care. Get here, get here. In full honesty, they were being a dick. They were being… They were not… Corporate America. Yeah. Yeah. So when the insurance… When the check came in and we bought a car, that same day, I went in and I said, here’s the keys, I’m done.
I turned around and walked out. I didn’t apologize. No two weeks, nothing. But there was a conversation that led up to that, that we had just put a huge chunk of our savings down on this car and we still had more than half of it to pay
Off. And the Honda Element, we owned outright. And thankfully, we got the insurance money to pay out for it. But, oh, my God. Because this is such a rampant thing right now, the catalytic converters, if we were to even switch to another location
Where he works, or at that location because a homeless camp had set up in the parking lot adjacent. If someone does this again, we are absolutely fucked. We are gonna be really, really screwed. And we started to panic, kind of. Yeah. At this point,
How many subscribers did the channel have? Man, I don’t remember. That’s a good question. But I will say that, okay, man, can of worms you opened up here, man. Yeah just, the worms of the heart. I know that we were not yet at 100,000 because I remember when we got
Our plaque. Right. Yes, we got the 100,000 while we were living in LA. Also, like I said, it was like a perfect storm. When we were living in Orlando and we were kind of fed up with doing the theme park videos. I was
Kind of debating about just kind of giving up on the whole YouTube thing. It was like it was just costing more money than we were making. We were putting a lot into it and we just had to figure out something. And then this happened to the world.
So we… But there’s also that fear there of not having a regular check for stability. Like, oh, my God, but what if I don’t have that money I know I can depend on every two weeks that I know for a fact is going to be the same amount all the
Time? So we get the new car. And I was already so fed up. I felt like every time that I was going to work, I was having a heart attack from the stress. Like, it was just not worth it. And this was just the icing
On the cake. So I went in, I gave them them the keys, and then I went home. She already knew. We talked about it the night before, literally the night before that this was gonna happen. It was like a spur of the moment decision. And
I went home and I think that same day, I went out and I shot a video. And I… I remember you came home and you felt so much lighter. Yeah. Where at? Like, just stress wise. Do you know, where did you shoot the video? If I remember correctly, if I remember correctly,
I think that video was the Los Feliz Murder House. I’m not sure, honestly. I think it was. I think it was. I’m really not sure. I know we were casing that location for a long time. Casing, look at this. I
Love that that’s the way we unwind. Yeah. I went and un winded at the Los Feliz Murder House. Because the owner, there’s… Someone lives in the house and they do not want people around. No. No. Isn’t… Oh, not that one? No. This place is abandoned. Oh, no,
That’s the… LaBianca House? The Playboy murders. The house I’m thinking of is the Playboy murders, where it’s like a second story and it’s like white and they’re kind of mean. The Wonderland House. Yes. The Wonderland House. Yes. Yes. So yeah, from that point on,
It was sink or swim. We either… Well, we made the decision to go full time with the channel and not look back, and she was a little bit more apprehensive about it than I was. And honestly, like complete honesty, I had a feeling that we were gonna
Be okay. It was going to be fine. It was going to be fine. This is it. I wasn’t… I was a little bit scared, but I was like, there’s no backup plan. This is what we’re doing. This is how it’s gonna get done. I mean, I definitely had a
Backup plan because I was really nervous about the ups and downs of it. And it was going to be so new to us that we didn’t know what the end of the month was going to look like, that the pay rate is so different from Orlando to Los Angeles that
I knew that I could go and get a job anywhere and be making like $16 an hour, no problem. Whereas in Orlando, I’d be lucky to make eight. So knowing that, we kind of had a little bit of a comfort. It’s like, well, if it gets bad, I’m just going to go
Get a part time job or something like that if I have to. No big deal. Whereas prior to that, when we lived in Savannah, we were both working and we would try to do all this around two jobs. And it got to the point where it’s like,
We can’t be both working. Because we have to try to coordinate days off. It’s impossible. It hardly ever lines up. And so I quit my job because he made more than me. So then we didn’t have to work with two schedules, just his schedule. So whenever he had a day
Off, in the car we went, driving 24 hours. We were… We put… We took every second, minute we could get. We slept in the car. We slept in the car. We drove a long time, we filmed a long time, and then we were back at our 09:00 to 05:00, if you know,
The next day. So there was a lot of fears. A lot of fears because we’re also brand new to this city, too. We don’t know what’s going to happen. But I think we felt a bit more comfortable once we started researching into the jobs in Los Angeles that if I
Needed to get a part time job or even a full time job, we could do it. I just find it fascinating that you guys were doing so well with the… I know you weren’t at 100k yet. Soon after you did hit 100k, but you guys were doing so well
On the channel, and you’d think once you get even up to 50,000 subscribers, that things are starting to go the right way. And it is interesting to hear it from the inside. Even when you get to that number, you do have to still keep pushing.
Yeah, absolutely. Was there a culture shock when you guys got out to LA? Was there anything vastly different, or was it just what we would all hope, it’s a dream? Jessica, she fell in love with the mountains. Yeah, I love looking at the mountains. They’re very peaceful. Yeah. I think
The only really shock that I had was not living in a place that had all four seasons anymore. Like, a little bit, you get the temperature changes, but no more big fall leaves falling everywhere. And we didn’t get that in Orlando anyway because it’s also palm trees out
There. But I think it took me a minute to acclimate to the weather because whenever I go through such a big weather change, I get like, allergies for a while, so I get like colds and stuffy noses and… Yeah. All that sort of stuff. But
Almost automatically, we felt at home here, there. We could say, here, I want to… Manifestation. I want to move there soon. It’s a very hard thing to do. I’ve lived just right next door my entire life, and I’ve wanted to pack up and move to LA.
You always hear about the, oh… Just like you guys said, when you were moving out there, everybody was tripping on you guys, basically saying it’s a mistake and all of this and all that, and that’s pretty much all that I get. And to hear that you guys went out
There and didn’t just continue to make videos, but that was the defining moment of your guys’ career, I think you guys being in LA, do you think it was the networking you did, the people you were around, or did the city just bring you a whole new level of energy
That you just didn’t have in Savannah or Florida? 100% the city, and wanting to be there. I always wanted to be in LA since I was a little kid. And to me, that was like the epicenter of creativity. And we had help when we were out there.
And it really wasn’t until… Well, quite some time that we really started like, dare I say, benefiting from networking. Meaning, you know somebody. And then… It was quite a while. It was quite a while. And even to this day, it’s not like, Oh you know, they live
In LA, they did an interview, or they did videos with Doug Bradley and Shelley Duvall, and they’re connected, you know, it’s not like that at all. It’s all hard work. But ever since I was a little kid, that’s where I wanted to be. I wanted an address that said
Hollywood, California. And that’s where the movies, that’s where everything, that’s where it’s at. And once we were officially there and Autozone was completely done, and it was almost like I had this entire city to play with however way I wanted. We didn’t have… We still don’t. There’s nobody
Saying… There’s no, what do you call it? Studios. There’s no sponsors. There’s nobody saying, I want you to do this. I want you to do it this way. And you got to do it… Or you can’t do this, you can’t do that. We had complete control
To do and document whatever we wanted, however we wanted in the city that… You know what I mean? And I think that was like the breath of fresh air that gave Grimm Life what it is. It definitely brought a positive feeling. But for one, just because of the way the
City feels and kind of the weather, you know that LA weather feeling, right? Because it does have a little positivity to it. But also, there’s so much… There’s so much history that you step five foot out your door and you’ve just fallen into 30 videos.
You know what I mean? There’s so many things that you can go and do in LA just for activities. And outside of that, there’s so much history that it really, for people like us, it’s just a playground? Yeah. Scott Michaels calls it… He says living
In LA is like living in the world’s biggest trivia game. Yeah. Everywhere you go, you’re like, oh, there’s that. Oh, there’s that. We do that all the time. Every day, we’re doing that. His favorite thing. Are you talking about Psycho? No. Okay. No.
And it’s the most simplest thing. Oh, God. But it makes me love him so much, is that he still does it to this day. And we’ve lived there, I think, going on four years, as we’ll be driving somewhere, and he’ll be like, “Babe, babe, babe.” I’m
Like, “Yeah.” He’s like, “In case you wanted to know, in case you wanted to know… ” That’s my best Michael impression by the… “In case you wanted to know. See those mountains?” “Yeah.” “Hollywood sign’s right on the other side of that.” I always point out the Hollywood sign, always.
Especially when you can’t see it. It’s his favorite thing to do. Or we’ll be driving down Hollywood Boulevard like we do all the time, “Baby, baby, baby.” “Yeah.” “Hollywood signs right over there.” There was something you guys mentioned when you moved out there. You guys were talking
About how you had to live with a buddy for a little bit, and you guys were looking for a place, and that fate brought you to where you were now. And I thought that was a peculiar statement. I’m like, what did that mean? So could you expand on how fate
Brought you guys where you guys currently live in Hollywood? You’re talking about Ramirez? I believe you said in one of the… Or like our apartment location? Yeah, yeah. Where you guys live. You said it was fate that ended up putting you guys where you guys currently are living.
Fate and luck, I believe, the word was… Man, oh man… We did find this kind of little gem that’s quiet. We applied to a lot of places, and honestly, they’re the only ones who got back. The apartment hunting didn’t go as well as we had hoped,
Having so many options. I think we had just a couple of options. But while we were doing the walk through this building, we had just been watching the Netflix documentary for… Night Stalker. The Night stalker… Richard Ramirez. Like, one of the best Netflix documentaries
There is. So we’re walking through the apartment building, and the lady, she’s like, “I got this one apartment available to you guys,” and it was the first floor, and it had a balcony. Not a balcony, but it had a sliding glass door. And we were
Literally just watching this the night before about how he would like… Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker, was sneaking in. We’re like, nope. He ain’t gonna… If it was on the ground floor, he felt it was open season. If you had an unlocked window or an unlocked door,
He was like, you basically brought that on yourself. And we had the same thought at the exact same time. I remember us literally turning to each other at the same time and going, no, I’m not comfortable with this one. Do you have another one?
Well, and so many of America’s crimes happened in LA. Like Ramirez happened, Manson, Black Dolly murder happened in LA. The Hillside stranglers. Yeah. Insanity. But you were born in the 70s… You were born late 70s. Whoa. You were born in the early 80s. You guys grew up kind
Of like in the era of the serial killer. Do you guys remember seeing any of that growing up or no? Do you know where your children are? So you’re 35, right? 30. 30, such a baby. You know, it’s crazy because when I said 29, it felt a lot
Better because the 20 was still in it. But now I’m just like, fuck, 31 and 38 sounds the same. That used to be kind of a commercial, like a news announcement. Because of some of the abductions that started happening on the news, there was a thing for a while
Through, I think it was the late 80s, early 90s… It’s 9 o’clock in the afternoon or in the evening. Do you know where your children are? It’s 10:00 PM. Do you know where your children are? I told you last night no. I saw the milk cartons inside
Of the grocery stores. I remember that from when I was a little kid. Yeah. Because some of that stuff was happening in St. Louis, Missouri. And I think one of the big cases happened not that far from where I lived. So when you guys moved to LA,
How did you navigate, ’cause you know, a lot of the stuff out there is kind of overdone. Everybody’s done the Manson videos. How did you guys navigate keeping originality out there? So many people, we’ve been very vocal about not doing certain videos
Yet because they’ve been overdone. At some point, you still really haven’t seen a Back to the Future filming location video from us or OJ Simpson or anything because it’s been done so many times. And then people who are fans of the show, they all say, well, we haven’t seen
You guys do it. You guys have a very interesting take on it. You approach it differently. And I… Just our cinematography style, if I’m being fully honest. Yeah. ‘Cause we… Not to toot our own horn, but I love some of the angles that we use that I don’t
Really see other people doing on YouTube. We’re kind of more cinematic than that. Yeah, for sure. Your framing and your blocking is always amazing. Thank you. I remember I watched the Clown Motel one. I think you guys brought a drone out for that one. I was like,
Where’s the drone in more of these videos? Well, we get asked all the time. We do. We try really hard to be respectful of privacy. And even if we can’t get a place and can’t get a shot and somebody’s like, “Well, you should have just flown
A drone over their house and looked in their backyard,” and it’s like, “I don’t want to do that. I don’t want somebody doing that to me.” So that’s why… We do have a drone. We call it the ghostly swoosh. But we really don’t fly it as much. We do take
It with us sometimes. We don’t really fly it that much for that reason. For… When we were doing the Psycho location when we did it on the road? Yes. That was so beautiful. I think to this day, that’s some of our favorite footage. No, it’s the birds. The birds?
The birds. Yes. The opening of the birds. We were driving out to Bodega Bay, and it was just this perfect misty morning, and we took a side road. I was like, “I’m gonna go fly the drone over there.” And the road that we took just
So happened to be at the very top of a like mountain or like a hillside, and it ran along the top, and it was just flying the drone up there was just like a dream. Was there… Would you say that there was one video, one thing you guys did in
LA that took you guys to the next level? Or was it like a combination of everything you were doing out there? That’s a really good question because it makes me think, and the first instinct I have as an answer is that
When we would have upgraded our camera… So we started out on our cell phones, and then we just, as we could afford it, we upgraded our equipment. And the camera we have now we’ve had for what, two years, three years? And I know probably picking up that camera
Is when we… And the gimbal. The gimbal and that camera combination is probably when it really revolutionized what we were doing with it. What do you think it was? Like people now just passing it around more because the quality was just that much better? Well,
A lot of the channels that you watch, a lot of the people that have a story, that tell a story on YouTube, you get a lot of people that sit in studio settings, kind of like what you’re in right now. The camera is stationary.
Everything’s well lit. And they do like things. Which is perfect. Which is perfect. We love it, by the way. We love being here. But anytime that you see somebody taking a camera out to the wild and exploring some place, a lot of times it’s shaky.
It’s just kind of like, let’s throw the camera up, let’s talk about it, and let’s just keep moving. Or like, when you can hear somebody heavy breathing up a path or something. Yeah. And I’m not going to say that we’re the first and we’re definitely not going to be the last,
But I think we might be one of the first… I feel so uncomfortable saying it, but I’m going to say it. You can hate me for it if you want. I think that we might be one of the first people that have
Taken that kind of exploration kind of video and tried to make it… Instead of a blog… A cinematic experience for people. Take it out of the blogging space and took it into like a documentary space. Yeah, we hate the term vlog. Instead, it’s like we’re trying to produce
Documentaries or films that really are vlogs in the traditional sense. Don’t get me wrong. I’m aware of that, but we’re trying to elevate it, raise the bar. Well, I mean, when you guys started taking off and everything started becoming more successful, how fast was
It for you guys to start getting into the convention circuits and starting to become more of the horror industry? I mean, was it zero to 100 or the fans came in first and it took some more time? I feel like we still fight to get into the circuit.
It’s a really weird convention clique, where everybody knows each other, where certain owners are best friends and they don’t work with other conventions or same thing with agents and stuff. It’s actually really difficult to get into. Sometimes, you just got to know the right people and it’s very
Rarely up to us whether we appear at a convention or not. Interesting. So it’s a bit competitive within the confines of the industry? Well, nobody likes talking about it, and I’m never going to give specifics or anything, but what goes on behind the scenes at… In the convention
World can be very dramatic and very political. Clique ish. Clique ish and stuff like that. And it’s not necessarily a bad thing, but it’s not necessarily a good thing as well. You know what I mean? It’s all how you make it. And we are a part of something I feel is very extraordinary
For the longest time. And you mentioned a horror convention, whether it’s Spooky Empire or Days of The Dead, Monster Mania, Midsummer Scream, anything like that. Nine… The majority of the time you’re seeing people from movies and tv shows, people that have been around that have…
Or household names in the world of horror, and then all of a sudden you have two alternative spooky looking people in this YouTube world going… Showing up at these conventions, too, sitting next to Tom Savini and Kane Hodder. And a lot of convention promoters don’t understand that.
You can’t blame them. Because for years, this is how money was made. And in today’s day and age, a lot of everything’s turning to social media. I mean, full length feature films are getting made on cell phones. Do you know what I mean?
You have one of the best movies of 2023, Talk to Me, was made by people in the YouTube world. You know what I mean? Yeah. So things are changing, and some people have really acknowledged that and said they want us, other people, it’s like… We don’t get it.
YouTube, I don’t want anything to do with you. Go sit in the corner. But for us, we love doing conventions. And the reason being, we get asked all the time from people from all over the world, all over the world, “Hey, can we do a meet and greet? Can
I meet you? Where can we meet you at? Can we meet in the park?” I want to buy your autograph. So we are very adamant that if we do any kind of meet and greet of any kind, it has to be in a horror convention setting.
And the reason for that is it’s safe for them, it’s safe for us. And if they’re a horror fan and they’re there, they can meet other people in the horror industry, they can shop from horror vendors, and it helps the horror community grow. That’s one of the reasons we…
I told you earlier that we decided to do this podcast is ’cause we really respect what you’re doing. I appreciate that. And we feel that you’re creating something to help the horror community grow, and that’s what we try to do. Yeah, I appreciate that.
For me, it’s this is stuff that I think is in some form cathartic, what we do and what we watch. But mostly, it kind of helps me wrap my head around my own fears and what I’m afraid of. And kind of looking at these demons
In the face kind of builds a little bit more resilience. And I think what you guys do is important. The dark side, paying attention to the shadow. You can’t ignore the shadow side of life. There’s valuable lessons there for you. And so I guess,
To just kind of wrap all this up, I want to ask, Grimm Life Collective, the philosophy behind it, living a Grimm Life, what do you guys feel you guys have learned from it? What are the good things you’ve pulled out of the shadow side of
Life. Well, I will say this. The whole point of the Grimm Life Collective, the whole reason that it exists today, now, keep in mind, it’s changed so much over the years, but today, from… This is the Grimm Life. Someday, we are gonna be too old to
Do all this. Someday, it’s gonna be too old for us to just go, “Oh, we’re gonna drive across the country tomorrow. We’re going to be gone for like a week, and we’re gonna come back who knows when.” Both Jessica and I, for some reason, there’s really not many pictures of
Us as kids, childhood photos, like photo albums. They were either destroyed or left behind… Or not taken at all. Or taken at all. So someday, when we’re too old to do any of this or too old to remember any of this, we can look back as like a digital photo album. It’s
All on YouTube, but we save every single video and it’s for everybody else, but ultimately, it’s for us to someday look back. So that’s the whole point of it. The married couple with some really weird interests, sharing those experiences with the world.
And as for what we’ve learned, or at least what I’ve learned from it, and I’m still learning it, is to learn to just kind of stop and go, this is life, good or bad. You know what I mean? It’s so easy, especially whenever you’re trying to document something
Or if you have questions, there’s things that you want to cover. No matter how hard you try, you’re not going to get them all. You’re going to miss something, you’re going to think about something or something’s going to happen. Lighting can go out and you forget,
And you’re not going to capture everything, but just try to live in the moment. And with us, with a camera, we’re capturing that moment for later on. Yeah. How absolutely surreal. I mean, you guys go from essentially having nothing in Pittsburgh and St. Louis and Orlando to Savannah,
Georgia, and then now you guys are in LA, getting booked around the world. You guys are living the dream and I just… Really, after spending the last two days with you guys, I… You guys really do deserve it because I think beyond the storytelling and beyond
The talent, you guys are really good people and authentic. And you guys made me feel really welcomed when I first met you guys. And that’s really something so rare in this industry man. You’re family. Thank you. Grimm Life family. You guys as well. Yeah. So it means
A lot that you guys came on the show. You guys… I’ve looked up to you guys for a long time, since the Savini video, and I’ve loved your channel. And everybody at home, if you aren’t already subscribed to Grimm Life Collective’s channel, please go subscribe to Grimm
Life Collective’s channel. Or else. Or else. But I appreciate you guys. Or no hugs for you. No hugs. And she’ll bite your head, I believe, right? You’re a head biter? I’m a biter in general. I think I kind of tend to bite. I’ve
Been gnawing a little bit on the microphone. Yeah. I think I saw maybe a Q and A with you guys where you said you would chew on people’s hair. She’s a goat. I got nervous ticks, for sure. I do. Yeah. My anxiety gets crazy sometimes. And when we’re
Meeting people at meet and greets, to break the ice and to help comfort them more because we’ve had people break down and cry because of the built up anxiety and things like that, I just start playing with people’s hair. I’ll sniff your hair if I
Think it’s going to get you to laugh or something like that. And I think it became like almost this thing, right? There’s a billy goat on screen. Billy goat. Oh, yeah. He’s eating her ponytail. Beautiful timing, Chris. Thank you. It’s just, we’re all human, and we’re
Just nerds. And it breaks my heart to think that I might be making somebody feel uncomfortable. So yeah. You never know when you meet us, I could hug you, bite you, or smell your hair. And we love everybody that we meet. Yeah. And especially when it comes
To… Speaking of eating hair, at horror conventions, we don’t care if somebody shows up and buys a T shirt or a sticker or wants an autograph or anything. Just the fact that they came out to say hello is more than ever enough. A lot of
Times, pretty much every show, we are the first people there. Usually, before the vendors get there, and we’re the last people to leave. We did a show in Toronto. We stayed there four hours after it closed and just met… Hung out with people because there was a line of
People to meet us, and we wanted to see every single person. Yeah, it’s amazing. You know what I mean? And we just love it. We’re very thankful for our fans. And a lot of people drove a lot. Like, some people drove eight hours to be
There from the other side of Canada. I wasn’t going to turn anybody away. So what do you guys have coming up next? Where are the next places that people could drive out and meet you guys? We’re doing a show in the Inland Empire, just on the outskirts of
Los Angeles, called Creep I E con, Creepiecon, and then from there, we’re going to Pittsburgh, my hometown, to do a show there called Horror Realm. And then Days of the Dead, Chicago and then back, big cross country trip. Amazing. And then we’re also going to go back
To Europe this year. Oh, and you guys are obviously going to be pumping out more content from Europe, which your guys’ last Europe trip was amazing. Thank you. If that was the first time you guys ever went out of the country… First ever. I can’t wait for the second
One. So thank you guys so much for coming in today. Everybody go, follow Grimm Life Collective on YouTube. Goodbye, Michael and Jessica. Thank you, guys. Toodle loo Scooby Doo. Peace. You gotta give the signature peace. What, what? Real quick. Are we still on? Are we still live? Yeah, yeah, we’re still on. So
We always tell people, be there or be… We don’t say square. We say be there or be coffin shape. Yeah. Well, you know, it’s funny. You’ve seen pulp fiction. When she says that it’s a rectangle. It is… I’m so confused at why they didn’t just make it a
Square. I would have shot it again. I’d have been like, what was her name again? I almost said Mia. Uma Thurman. Yeah. Uma. Mia was her name in the movie. Yeah. I would have just been like, do it one more time. That was a little rectangular, but whatever.
Thank you guys so much for coming in. Thank you for having us. And I appreciate it. Peace, everybody. Bye. Until next time.
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GRIMM HAS BECOME A HUGE PART OF MY DAY ! INTEGRITY OVERLOAD, EACH AND EVERY EPISODE ! I AM TRULY STUCK IN THE RABBIT HOLE,AND IAM STAYING GRIMM ! "HAPPY HALLOWEEN " !
Walpurghisnaght is the witch’s holiday.
34:29 So many picture frame moments in this AMAZINGLY in-depth interview. We love Michael's 'old fogie stogie' moment, imitating chomping down on a cigar. Suh-MOKIN'! 🚬🔥❤🔥
We adore that this podcast features CLIPS of moments that both Michael and Jessica describe–ILLUSTRATING what is said, engaging the viewer to seek out those episodes! Great!
1:23:12 Actually, the 'Clairs' can be split 6 ways: Clairvoyance (sight), Clairaudience (hearing), Clairsentience (the 'feels'), Claircognizance (knowing), Clairgustance (taste), and Clairailience (smell). Jessica's fine-tuned sense of empathy is Clairsentient–a quality that villains such as murderers entirely lack.
1:41:42 Further: the 'images' Jessica receives in her head = Clairvoyance; the information/data in her mental download? That's Claircognizance–not knowing how you know…You Just KNOW.
1L42L20 Every one of us has Spirit Guides, invisibly on hand to instruct, to protect, and to wallop us upside the head when we're getting it wrong. For whatever reason, Jessica's Guide(s) were providing information that either she, or those she was giving it to, needed to hear, at that moment. ('Proof', being a very personal thing–this would qualify as such.)
1:43:34 The presenter of this podcast ABSOLUTELY nails it here. (Sir: impeccable interview, imho. You let them speak without interruption, ask thought-provoking questions, and offer suggestions that are on point, as you do here. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🎬Bravo! May your channel flourish!)
1:49:23 Michael receives a vision that shocks him so much, that it necessitates a medical intervention: IF THAT HADN'T TAKEN PLACE, HE WOULD HAVE DIED. The follow-up was the golden ghost of his grandmother, soothing him with an EGBOK message. It is amusing to discover that both Grimms continue to be skeptical of the 'Other Side', when they are continually reminded that this is where we come from. As Jessica says: 'the veil is very thin'. It is, indeed.
2:14:42 El Ay DOES have four seasons, and here they are: Drought, Fire, Pestilence and 'Plague' (earthquakes and tremors).
1:29:36 and 1:30:36 are remarkable images…
2:35:00 do you think, in the latter photograph (1:30:36), that the 'Lady Sorrell' ghost was imitating Jessica's 'hair-sniffing' tactic? If that was a 'thing' for Jessica in Savannah, Georgia, at that time, then imitation by the See-Through Grey Ghost is the sincerest form of paranormal flattery! 🤔💭
This was so good thanks
My baby sister falls asleep to horror movies. I asked her one time if it gives her nightmares and she said no it’s just like watching any other movie. 😮😮 I need to watch cartoons after a scary movie 😂😂
This was a great interview, with amazing questions!! I'm a huge fan of the grimmlifecollective! Was a great watch!
I am here because of GrimmLife and I have subscribed! AWESOME podcast!!!
I love everything the Grimms do. 🎃
Just subbed! Keep it up! Also really love the Grimmlifers 🤘😈 stay brutal
Walpurgis Night an abbreviation of Saint Walpurgis Night (from the German Sankt-Walpurgisnacht [zaŋkt valˈpʊʁɡɪsˌnaxt]), also known as Saint Walpurga's Eve (alternatively spelled Saint Walburga's Eve), is the eve of the Christian feast day of Saint Walpurga, an 8th-century abbess in Francia, and is celebrated on the night of 30 April and the day of 1 May.[5][6] This feast commemorates the canonization of Saint Walpurga and the movement of her relics to Eichstätt, both of which occurred on 1 May 870.🪄🧹 🖤🦇
Yeah, Grimm Life Collective rocks! 🎃🦇🖤🕸️
Speaking of castles…. there's a really rad one in Loveland ohio. If you're even near you ought to check it out
Michael and Jessica are absolutely awesome people and their videos and watch parties are funny, brilliant and so interesting and honest truth when i watch their videos if i was working and having a bad day, it always cheers me up and makes me smile and i love them and thankful for it 🤗🤗👻👻😊
Thank you for talking with them!! Loved all the behind the scenes info 🖤
Love grimm life collective 👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
I wish I'd have met you two when you came to the UK , I love your video's and you are such a lovely couple . Keep making them 🙏❤️ we will always laugh with you never at you 🤗xx
Great interview! Love Grimm Life, been following them since before they moved to LA and I love everything they do!! This is the second Talks from the Crypt I've watched and I'm really enjoying your format. Between this and the Scott Michaels interview you earned a fan in me. Thanks!
What a wonderful interview. I love Michael & Jessica's perspective on everything. They were very honest and open with you. You put them at ease and you were a great interviewer. Thank you.
This was an absolutely wonderful interview!
Just watching this now, it's so interesting and love listening to Michael and Jessica tell their stories..absolutely love all their videos..love them..2 amazing genuine people ❤ much love from the UK 🇬🇧
I’ve been watching Grimm Life Collective since its inception. Great talk.
Really nice interview. You gave them time to speak and asked questions I think I’d ask lol subscribed!!
Before Jessica not so cool😏 those other girls seemed lame & boring! The channel really became what it is the moment Jessica was finally here💚💚💚💚
First time viewer, big fan of the Grimmlife.
What an awesome interview! ❤ Thank you! Yet again Michael and Jessica shine!!
Such a super sweet couple, love grimmlife.
Micheal and Jessica are very classy people. They deserve all the success they're getting.
1:52:19 "Aliens" 🤣
I love Grimmlife collective
Great interview
The Europe videos were amazing I loved them
Big fan of the Grimm life collective ❤
Michael and Jessica are the sweetest people I have meet. I met them at Creepie Con and was super nervous to meet them but they were so welcoming and sweet. They deserve the best 🖤 Great podcast!
Glad I watched this. I'm a newer subscriber to grimmlife and I noticed how much Jessica dropped out of the more recent videos than the past ones. Good to have an explanation.
Fantastic clip. Could listen to another 2 hours!
Dear Mr. Cryptkeeper:
Please let the Grimms know about this site, which is on their (current!) home turf in Hollywood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fomQzHe4qy4
The Sassafras Saloon is bang up against Paramount Studios, and incorporates a Georgia house (mansion?) that was shipped cross-country and reassembled within the Saloon, as part of the premises.
I hail from El Ay, and even I have never, ever heard of this place. It is a worthy addition to the Grimm Life canon.
Once again, thank you for your Grimm in-depth interview 🙌🏻🙌🏻 (and for 'pinning' my previous, extended comment, which I only just realized! 😊)!
My 9 year old shouts "it's the baby ghoul couple" 😂 love these 2 too much ❤
Awesome interview! Thank you for doing such a wonderful interview. Love GLC;)
Brilliant. What an insight and back story to this amazingly entertaining couple.. As a Grimm life addict , now I know the collective origins . Thank you. To Mike And Jessica. Just please keep the magic coming. Much love and respect. Edd and Angie.🇬🇧
I am so happy for Grimmlifecollective.
You two are both so awesome, and I love, LOVE the work you, Michael and Jessica do.
I look so forward to each and every video/story you do
HAPPY HALLOWEEN🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃
Now that's how you conduct an interview. Watched the entire thing and thoroughly enjoyed it. Ill be sure to catch your next podcast.
Love you two !!! ❤❤
I'm from the Philippines and a big fan of Micheal and Jessica! Cheers to you guys!
This was completely amazing!
Ooooooo lovely!! Absolutely love Mr & Mrs Grimm! ❤️🇬🇧🎃🎃🎃 happy Halloween!
Been watching Grimlife collective from the beginning ! They go to ALL of my favorite movie locations (many of those places I lived right in the same town and had no idea they were even filmed there ) Happy to see how many other people love them as well . If ya don’t know yet they do an homage to Up All Night where they host movies and talk live . It’s a lot of fun and you should definitely check that out !
I've been watching them for about two years now and idc if the video is 40 minutes or 10 I'm always super excited and satisfied. They're great people with good morals and values. And have tremendous respect for others. That anything they do couldn't possibly be anything but great. Thanks for this video. It was nice to get to know them on a different level.