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The number one mistake 99% of people make when buying an expensive bike is to get the size that they think they need only to find it uncomfortable potentially get an injury or have to swap out pricey components they then see a bike fitter who attempts to fit their
Bike which is sometimes the wrong size this is then a square peg into a round hole and it’s a mistake I’ve made myself with serious consequences well fear not thanks to modern tech you can ensure you have a perfectly fitting bike before you’ve even bought it regardless of the type of
Rider that you are I’m going to show you how wouldn’t it be better to get fitted to a bike before you even buy it so you get the size that is perfect for you and it means that you don’t end up with a saddle that hurts your bum and having to
Swap it or changing out an expensive integrated bar and stem well I know what you’re thinking yes that sounds great but how can I get fitted to a bike that I haven’t even bought yet well that Tech already exists this is celer Italia’s ID match it’s a bike fitting system which uses
Machine learning and Ai and it can tell you which size bike from any brand you want is ideal for you without the bike actually being there to show you how it works and the other impressive things that this system can do I’m going to get
A fit thanks to VR fell here in Norfolk in the UK who have the system in their showroom they also have a very large collection of very tasty factors I keep keep drooling over but I’m going to go get my kit on let’s do It the fit works by way of an adjustable jig and motion capture device the smart thing that though is it combines this Hardware with AI and machine learning which means that every time this system performs a fit anywhere in the world that data gets fed into the system and
It learns it gets better and more precise at fitting changed and ready to go now something I want to Cave at though before we do the fit which is that if you’re buying your first bike and you’re on a budget that might not stretch to
Getting a fit as well and a fit is n totally essential but if you’re buying a high-end bike and you’re not sure of your size and you know you’re going to be doing a lot of riding on it potentially big epic rides challenges events then getting a fit before you
Spend all that money is absolutely the way to go the fit is far quicker than other ones I’ve had and it begins with your shoes determining your cleat position and then your saddle I already know the saddle I want this one the SLR boost but if you want to try a different
One seller Italia have an incredibly comprehensive range and look how quickly they can be swapped out with no Allen Keys Required so we’ve performed my initial fit and it’s determined my Optimum road bike position but how does that correspond to like an actual du frame I want well this is the beauty of the system on here and this is my favorite part is a database of every single bike
Frame that you’d want and in any size and so using the fit data it tells me which model and which size is going to fit me the best but not only that how to set it up in terms of the the saddle height that I would want and the layback
But also what Hardware to go for so the appropriate length stem and say seat post with respect to layback so I’m going to put in a pinell f so there’s a few really interesting things going on here um the machine has has produced the pinell Dogma F frames
And it’s ranked them in order of size as to which is going to fit me the best now the one that it’s saying is closest to what I now need on a bike is a 57 well 575 57 and a half um pinell interestly does like half sizes between the
Conventional sizes and the next one that’s the best for me is a 56 which is what what I have um which is quite interesting a 56 can still fit me but it just requires more adjustments so if we adjust the variables here of the stem length and the the spaces under the stem
It tells me that in a 57 and a half um if I run no space es which is that looks good as well doesn’t it um and a 120 stem that is pretty much perfect for me it says I’d be out by sort of 3 mil um
On on the stem length but that’s kind of you know where you want to be in that ballpark compared to the 56 where it says I should use a 130 stem and use 20 Ms of spacers to get a sort of equivalent uh position and even then
It’s not quite as Optimum as it was compared to what we found on the jig now the interesting thing for me is I I’ve I’ve done what what I’m saying in this video I got that 56 without having a fit because I just generally go for a 56 in
In most bikes and it shows that actually you know I could have got a better size that fits me better if I’d gone and done a fit first but I know what you’re thinking that’s all well and good that’s a you know an AO position on a an
Aggressive bike not everyone wants that what if you want something that’s a more relaxed endurance position well that’s something I want as well because well earlier last year I did a mental endurance ride in Switzerland the Tason it was a th000 km triple everesting and
I made the mistake of using this kind of position which I use all the time and don’t really feel discomfort for or I didn’t before and then took that and just thought if it’s not broken don’t fix it take that and do an ultra the problem was is that that then exposed
Problems I have within my fit and it’s made me realize if I was to do an ultra event a long endurance thing again I would go much more relaxed so I’m going to ask the machine to use its algorithms and AI to put me in what it reckons
Would be a much better um endurance position and let’s see how that differs to this redoing the bike fit with the AI set for a more relaxed endurance position changed the fit but not how I thought I should also point out that while the AI experiments with different
Changes this is overseen by a human bike fitter who can also listen to me and make human tweaks if required 10 minutes later we had a result so’ve done the endurance fit Hayden what’s what’s the system spitting out now we’re going to look at your handlebar stack and reach
Now it’s primarily changed your handlebar stack it’s not made any adjustments to your handlebar reach so what we’re looking to do or what the software is let to do there is basically increase your your handlebar height which is then in turn effectively going to take some pressure off your neck also
It may shift some of the weight from your hands onto your saddle slightly and give you slightly more of kind of offset weight distribution yeah in doing that whilst keeping your same hand while reach should help maintain your kind of nice relaxed posture on the bike but
Take some of the weight off your hands and take some pressure off your neck it’s a bit counterintuitive to me though cuz I would have thought that um when you go more endurance like people go oh you coming shorter and higher but it’s not you’re saying it’s not changed the
Rid kept that good like the same yeah that’s not always the case cuz sometimes what we find is if you if you pull your reach shorter so if you maintain the same stack hype that just made the bars closer to you it yeah It ultimately tucks you up it can change your posture
On your bike and it can also cause you to round your back too much and what you can get to there is is a more tension through your neck because you have to lift your head slightly more so you get end up with a much more acute neck angle
Well that’s I had that problem so there you have it thanks to VZ for showing us the system I really hope you found this insightful because people spend a fortune you know when they get a serious bike and they obsess over the details of
It and and all the bits on it but often don’t take seriously enough the most fundamental thing which is the fit and how you sit on it and I think if you if you want to see an example of just how catastrophic it can be if your fit isn’t
Right for what you’re intending to do on your bike well you can watch me attempt the torion at 1,000 we’ve got a video uh for that and um also let us know in the comments what things you’ve changed on your bike after you’ve bought it I’m
Going to go now um but yeah love you bye
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Ollie would not ride a 57.5 because there would hardly be any seatpost sticking out and be exceptionally stiff. So this 'machine' has not learnt anything!
Very few brands give you any choice now on component changes. You get what you get or you have to pay the shop to get and install a replacement the right size.
I appreciate that for the endurance fit it raised your handlebar without shortening the reach. Most riders can manage sitting a little bit higher without having to scrunch their spinal columns.
Would be interesting to see what results the machine gave me.
I ride a 65cm canyon with an upwards pointing stem and a saddle height of 952mm.
May be worth the £300 to be told it’s only the 64cm roubaix or maybe a 2xl canyon endurace and nothing else.
Thanks for the video! I personally can't bring myself to spend thousands on a bike. I do appreciate a bike that fits me. I changed my stem to a shorter and more upright one. And moved my saddle forward 3 cm. The bike feels much better. I'm looking for compact bars 70 reach and 122 drop like Simon's. Do you know the brand he uses?
I actually love this idea. I'm sure it will work better and better and that's exactly what everybody needs before getting a bike – the bloody fit.
Got to love the motion capture is done with an Xbox 360 Kinect 🙂 very old school
It blows my mind that 99% of cyclists including GCN presenters that I assumed were relatively experienced & knowledgeable are on the wrong sized bike.
i bought a Canyon. they suggested a M. Which i got. I then adjusted all the components to feel comfy. cant be any more difficult than that –also makes sense to raise stack for a longer ride. That what my brain would think. You never said how much it costs to get a bike fit. also id have to throw in airfare from vancouver and hotel.
I see a Microsoft Xbox One Kinect sensor in use, I use one for rudimentary 3D scanning.
I generally always have to change the Stem and Handlebars as they come with a 90 or 100mm stem and I run 120, and handlebars are 42 with a 80 to 90 reach, where I run a 40 and slightly shorter reach between 70 and 75.
didn't you guys do this exact video but with Manon last year or something like that? Still a very cool concept. Too bad it's not more widespread and more available.
Was wondering when we'd see this weirdo bike again! I forgot how sophisticated it is. The hardware, the bike itself, is amazing… but the software, the calculations, is where the real magic happens.
Nice idea. Then try getting the vendor of the $15,000 bike to adjust the standard stem or crank or… anything at all. Some manufacturer is going to win a lot of market share when they actually focus on the customer and fix that problem.
Selle Italia SLR Boost… legendary saddle. It came standard on my Canyon Aeroad and, 2,000 miles later, I've never ever thought about it. I mean, my body has never produced pain or pressure points pointing to the saddle.
57.5 recommended… but 56 can work. What if you want the smaller frame for lighter weight? It would be cool if you could enter optimization parameters, to sort of guide the selected bike based on niche desires.
@6:26… the endurance riders greatest fear… the exposing of fit problems in the middle of a long ride.
Only 8 locations in all of the US and Canada, so the cost of the fitting plus round trip airfare
How tall are you?
Buying the expensive bike is the mistake.
This is so cool!
If you make a mistake buying a new bike..it is the local bike shop s fault…unless you buy internet direct..then the fukup is all your fault…go to a good lbs
Anyone notice the spelling error @5:07? "Stem lenght"
How tall are u
I'm nominally a 54 on a bike with more relaxed geometry but I also fit a 56 with a more aggressive geometry. Long torso allows me to adopt a lower position.
It would be nice if you could swap out fit components (stem, handlebar width, saddle, crank length) at the time of bike purchase with like components at no extra cost so you aren't forced into buying a bike package that doesn't fit you from the start. It'd save the average consumer money and trouble later on. I'm aware custom builds exist (Trek Project One $$$) but I'd like that option on a workhorse alloy 105 bike.
There is no perfect fit for some people. According to my inseam I should get a 52cm frame. According to my height I should get a 56cm frame. So I just get a 54cm frame and hope for the best.
My bike fitter spent 2 hours assessing fitness, strength, flexibility and asymmetries before I got on the bike, 8ncluding teaching and practising a set of strength and stretching exercises to improve the situation. He also sees bike fit as an evolutionary process and the initial fee includes quarterly return visits to tweak position and exercises as you improve. There's a lot of great use of AI and I'm in the IT business, but it still needs to be in the hands of an experienced human who can assess these things that the AI can't measure.
Hearing AI/machine learning associated with a bike fit scares me; machine learning is great at finding matches against examples it has been fed, but bike fit is all about the individual rider's shape.
Opinion from someone who had his bikefitting done with exactly this system, and works in the AI field. It is great, but:
– Being AI accuracy is heavily based on the sample size. If only few stores still have them then it will grow quite slowly, undermining the self-improvement factor of the model. Still it can be great and this is the direction the industry should be going
– There is an interesting feature that allows you to correct your position based on the pain you are currently feeling on certain areas on a 1-10 scale. On my end, it overcompensated knee pain quite much putting the seatpost so high I could lock the full leg when on the extended part of the movement, making me rock on the sides quite much. My feeling is that it still needs a bit of improvement especially when facing problematics that may not be bike-dependent but health-dependent
– The human factor is still important: AI does not substitute the knowledge and experience of an attentive bikefitter. The person not once asked me how the position felt, not even after setting up the bike in the target position. He was actually surprised when I asked "can I try the bike"
Bottom line: it is a powerful tool but only in the hands of competent personnel, with full awareness of the underlying model and with a background in sports-science. It's the minimum you can ask when paying €150-200+ for a bike-fit
This bike fit will cost more than the bicycle they can afford for 99% of people, if it's even available in their location.
The stupidity now a days where media influence on people is to get the smallest size frame & put the longest stem, this put a strain on the back & no possibility to raise the handlebar (quill stem was brilliant) coming from an off season & longer than necessary stem makes the bike handle like a dump truck. In the 80’s when I did track we go for the bigger size & no your jewels will not get banged up as you’re riding all the time not climbing down your bike, top tube length was more important than seat tube height. Guest what they still do this fitting on the track & Japan Keirin.
Great to see the xbox one connect still getting used. Crap for gaming, but has/had so many other uses.
This is all well and good, but manufacturers don't allow you to swap parts. You have to make the changes by purchasing wider saddle, longer/shorter stems etc after shelling out for your chosen bike.
I think if i was racing and investing several thousands in a bike this would be a must do.
Froomey was fitted on something similar, remind us how that went.
More CGN ripp off pricing and gear! They do know not everyone is a millionaire! Can the only bike company that don't look after the little guy! No wonder you lot git in trouble a few weeks back! Worst bike vids on YouTube!
Would happily go through this, but for the cost and distance – unless they fancy sponsoring me a visit?! 😁
Did I miss the cost of this bike fit ?
YES – Top 1% again!!!
When I planned to spend north of £5K on a new bike post Covid, I thought a Retul Bike Fit in August 2022 was the right choice. Having turned up to Jake Yarranton (he has been on your channel) with a list of bikes ranging from 5-11K in May 2021; refered back to him with a few more over time I eventually settled on a Handsling A1ROevo in August 2022. A long journey but having been patient I have the perfect bike that has never given me any bike fit related issue in over 2000 miles (not my only bike and just used on the best of days).
iDMatch was awesome for me when I did it last year and I take the results with me for any bike I get set up for – Was ideal for when I did my dream build!
I am 186cm, fairly proportioned arms/legs, and 90kg. From where I live, I have no access to such machine whatsoever & probably the cost of such bike-fit is much higher than I would plan to spend in comparison to my bike price budget (btw, was it mentioned how much this session costs, round figure?) so I ordered new bike on-line, based upon the measurements of previous bike and my bike-fit knowledge. So, same as Ollie, the previous was 56 and wanting more comfort (not much interested about high speeds or breaking power records) I choose 57 (Orbea Orca has L on 55, which I could get, for more aero/speed…) so now I find the reach a bit too long, I changed the stem to 1cm shorter. More or less, I got the same result as what the machine got for Ollie. Did I make the right decision? If not, this would be my mistake… !
First mistake is buying a bike. You get overenthusiastic with cycling, spend too much on bike and kit, crash and spend a lot on medical services and recovery. Worst case scenario – recovery period keeps you off job and you lose it. And all that because you watched YT channels with fit cyclists and their effortless show off 🤩
As a professional bikefitter, we have been preaching the gospel of fit first, buy later for decades. I like your selle italia electronic bike but I’m still not quite sure what the AI is doing. I haven’t read all the comments, but did anyone mention that the fitting machine didn’t even have brake hoods! Unless you’re a track cyclist, the primary hand position should be a the hoods/brake levers. The fitting machine should also have telescoping handlebars to determine ideal handlebar width and adjustable crank arm lengths. Ollie also needs a wider stance width on his left foot as I’ve noticed his knee tracks laterally on that side on previous GCN videos. But great that you finally mentioned this concept that riders should fit first and buy second as it does save money in the long run.
The handlebar on that expensive fitting rig doesn't have hoods? That seems like a major miss. Most of our riding is done on the hoods.
Does this work for touring bikes where your on the bike all day load carrying huge loads.
Which is exactly why I went to Vires. Every other bike I looked at would’ve needed some adjustment and that’s not cheap these days with one piece bar/stems. Recommended.
Best fit i had was by Pete Matthews (master wheel builder) in the mid to late 80's when buying a new bike from him. He had had a jig built and the methodology was in principle the same, way ahead of his time. Had a few bikes from him, handbuilt and fitted like a Saville Row suit.
I am a heavy rider and because of that, I can't fit like the typical rider. However, that doesn't stop me from riding. I tend to stay away from carbon because most have weight limits that I don't meet, but as far as geometry, what I tend to do is get a bike with an uncut fork, a high rise stem usually somewhere around 17 degrees, as well as putting spacers under the stem. I do not use all in one stem/bars as I am not in that market and I would be better served by loosing 10lbs than spending that kind of $$. Also, depending on the bike, I may also choose a seatpost with some layback. I have also been tinkering with cranks that are a tad shorter than ships with the bikes. I have been opting for 170 or 165 and these help keep my knees out of my stomach which helps a lot. Now, I know I am not your typical cyclist, but if anyone is having these issues you may want to try some of these solutions. The idea of having a long reach with a higher stack height is not new to me, it is something I have been doing for more than a decade now and am very comfortable with.