🔴 PMQs Unpacked | Pub Landlord Al Murray keeps order over Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer

The Pub Landlord Al Murray joins Matt Chorley, Tim Shipman and Lara Spirit to keep order at PMQs. Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer go head-to-head as the government’s Rwanda Bill hangs in the balance.

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Uh very good morning to you just for legal reason I need to point out that Mar F does not demand cut flowers on her desk I don’t to get in trouble again uh for that sort of thing right pmqs unpacked is coming uh Tim Shipman is

Going to be joined by comedian Al muray to pause the action live from the House of Commons uh he Al m is on his way as we’ll get his his take on it but for the second week of our brand new feature it’s time for pmqs prepacked where one

Of Jane and Ori from the afternoons comes on to predict what’s going to happen uh we listen to what happens then I go on Jan and Fe show just after 3:00 and I wward points on the basis of how well they did uh last week it was fe’s

Go which means this week it’s Jane’s go Jane how are you uh I’m all right it’s quite a lot of pressure this thought it might be fun but it isn’t really there we are and there is times radio’s mission statement um well yeah actually stick that on a

T-shirt stick that on a t-shir um so last week I think I ended up awarding uh three I said three then she taught me down to two five she’s too mod I think she thought it was going to be all post office post office post office and it

Wasn’t because Rich s did his announcement and he did a lot of questions sort of on rander and things like that so what do you what I suppose what would you think K starma should talk about this week well I would like him to ask who does he think rishy who

Does Rishi sunak think will be prime minister when the first migrant flight leaves for Rwanda very good now I thought of that at about 20 to 3 in the morning yeah it’s good not not bad is it you just coming in or just getting up just coming in I’m crazy uh obviously

Inflation surely there be a question about that I know that you could say well they they did make their target towards the end of last year get it but now it’s going up again that’s can’t be a good thing of course you could also say well it’s not really within the

Government’s gift but if you’re going to take the credit in the good times exactly so I would go for that too um does I quite like uh K St to ask about whether Rishi sunak shares Mr Hollen rigs belief that some people should end up behind bars for the Horizon Scandal

Yeah um the houthis and Yemen um would Rishi sunak sanction another attack and if so would that be the right thing to do because we’re not sure that the first strike has had quite the impact it was intended yeah and then I really hope somebody raises the subject of the

Humanitarian crisis in Gaza yes because I know it’s very difficult to cover what’s going on there because obviously independent reporters are not allowed in uh but from what we do know it’s just desperate and given the journey that richy um K starm has been on in terms of

His position on you know the the Israeli response actually he you know politically terms of managing his own party I would have thought he a question two on that and some of those on the left who thought he was too too pro Israel at the beginning yeah because I

Feel feel that already that’s it’s not quite fading but it’s not getting the focus it was getting even 10 days ago I suppose some it’s a bit like the conversation we had about uh why why wasn’t more covered about the post office scandals well because other

Things come along in the news and by definition the new and a 100 days is a long time in a in a news cycle but like and the fact that getting pictures and voices out of yeah oh actually and Fujitsu uh and their government contracts yes how many have they

Acquired very recently and if so was that the right thing to do there was an extraordinary moment with the few Jitsu boss was it the select committee where Mr Patterson yeah and he was asked sort of why didn’t you do much uh you knew there were problems why did you sit back

And do nothing about it and he says I don’t know I wish I knew but I just don’t know I thought that was suggested a man without guile yeah very good well we look forward to that I will see you just after 3:00 for PM Q’s unpacked

Unpacked here then right stay tuned Tim Shipman Al muray pausing the action live from the house comments next on times radio on dab Digital radio on the times radio app and on your smart speaker politics from every angle times Radio it’s 12:00 I’m Matt shy and this is times radio in a moment pmq is unpacked with Tim Shipman and Al Murray but first a look at the headlines this lunchtime Social Services in Lincolnshire are urgently reviewing how a toddler they were meant to visit weekly starved to death Bronson bsp was

Found dead next to his father who had a heart attack two weeks after they were last seen inflation was 4% for December the first time it’s increased since February it’s slightly above November’s 3.9% figure the business actually Cy baox asked for Urgent talks with Fujitsu to agree compensation for sub

Postmasters wrongly convicted The Horizon it Scandal the tech company was behind the faulty software yesterday it’s European chief executive apologized to victims of the Scandal and Pakistan’s Rec called its ambassador from Iran over a rocket strike H it says was an unprovoked violation of Pakistani airspace it’s also baned the Iran

Iranian ambassador from re-entering Pakistan he’s currently visiting his home country we’ll have a full news Round Up in an hour’s time on times radio but now live on times Radio and on the times radio YouTube channel Chanel it’s time for this pmqs unpacked on times radio unpacking the politics and

Cutting through the crossfire order order I call Matt Charley and Tim Shipman and Tim Shipman’s here Tim Shipman how are you I’m very excited you’re very excited because we’ve got a special guest again yes I listen to his podcast and everything we’ve previously had uh Peter Dixon yes who does the uh

The voice on The X Factor uh Zippy from rainbow and now you basically got to be better than Zippy that is the task I think the first Al mummy comedian Al mmy welcome to T it’s my pleasure thanks for having me um the main thing you could do

Is sound like Zippy which the Zippy okay yeah fine yeahor yeah very good how’s your bungle oh uh ceaseless my bungle is ceaseless now you’re you’re proberbly you’re you’re a proper Observer of of politics well I mean we got no option have we um uh we have to

Keep a close eye on this thing don’t we especially now we’re coming to the end of the end of the um you know this is the very end of The Return of the Jedi isn’t it in terms of Tory governments we they’ve shot the Ewoks

Um um yes I mean I yeah I do I find it I find the whole thing sort of bit bitterly fascinating and you famously stood against njel farage no and the other candidates kidly I mean please otherwise we’re back to my old Twitter feed of 2015 which is

Just why do you hate democracy yeah well what by running an election St an election starting election so who do you think’s got more chance becoming an MP next Nigel farage or you well I you know uh obviously uh we’re being told that um uh uh farage is the sort of lurking

In the fog that will emerge I mean it he very often he gets sort of presented as you know he’s asleep under a landmark and all that needs to happen is he needs to awake to to rescue the right but I don’t know I he doesn’t seem interested

He there was a poll saying he would win in clacton on sea so I don’t know how you feel about a pretty cold I would never do it again I would never do it again no no no because because um because it was incredibly annoying the whole whole thing and also the other

Thing is I came away D just a joke that got out of hand it was a joke that got I had and I came away from the whole thing I’m dangerously sympathetic towards politicians because um uh the the the demand is that they fail the demand is that the expectations they’re lying the

Demand is that they fail um and that tends to be what kind of happens to them and they get eaten by the eaten by the machine and the thing I the thing the thing I mean my my PRS with me who was who who uh happily uh acted as a as my

Spin doctor you know he he Jo and when when we did the thing where I went I was going to be parachuted into the constituency literally so we’d um I remember this story and uh and we’ book the we booked the jump and book the plane and everything and the Press came

To the Airfield and then it turned out that I was too fat right to jump my daughter on The zipwire Well my daughter’s bathroom scales it turns out they’d been tampered with so okay exactly is what happened so they ring me up they go you got to be under 90 kilos

I get the pink scales from out under the toilet stand on them yeah I’m I’m I’m and then I we get through all of the procedure and the and they do all the training they explain how I’m going to jump and then the last thing is you get

On the scales and get your credit card out and I got on the scales well you that’s it you can’t do it so we then had to spin This Disaster yeah of not being able to not being able to actually parachute and I just thought this is

Just too this is too stressful I want to write my jokes tell my jokes and go home and uh and that it didn’t work out like that so that’s where we are that’s where we are now no I’ve just realiz the last time you you came into Parliament once

We went and watched pmqs yes we did yeah’s first day and we went and had lunch afterwards and we emerged from lunch and there had been a terror attack in West we misstic we’ been at lunch so fingers crossed it w be quite so dramatic today yes let’s let’s hope that

We just how Punchy are the ERG you’re going to be getting later exact here we go then let’s go live to the House of Commons this is question number one from K D can I send my best best wishes to The Honorable member and his father also and all those suffering in this

Way Mr Speaker I can’t let today pass without saying how saddened I was by the tragic death of Bronson Battersby aged just two who died in heartbreaking circumstances in skes I know that this house will join me in sending our deepest sympathies to his family Mr Speaker the government has

Been forced to admit that it has lost contact with 85% of the 5,000 people earmarked for removal to Rwanda has he found them yet prime minister M Mr Speaker what I can tell the honorable gentleman is that in spite of him blocking every in spite of him blocking every single attempt

That we have taken we have managed now because of our actions to reduce the number of people coming here by over a third third last year remove over 20,000 people from this country back to their home countries carried out 70% more illegal enforcement raids arrested hundreds of people closed

Down thousands of bank accounts and processed over a 100,000 cases the biggest number in over 20 years Mr Speaker that’s because on this s of the house we want to stop the boats we have a plan it’s working and with him we were just go back to square one oh I think I

Think we might be getting a few of those so I think we’ll start clocking in just going back to square one uh so he’s chos to go on rander again which is what he did last week uh Tim um and knowing that it’s just just ferment descent on the

Back Ben and he wants to cause as much grief as possible for sunak with his back benches doesn’t he um and he’s forced sunak to trot out this um uh collector’s item list of very exciting things that they’ve been doing which If he if he didn’t have the Randa bill and

Just kept reading out that list it sounds quite good yeah I mean I I’ve been watching a lot of 24 hours of police custody later recently and I think and I think um sunak should just say no comment to everything at the moment he’s reached that stage of the

Process where he’s the answer to every question should just be no comment and we’ we get through this whole thing a lot quicker yeah and he would we’ be no more in the dark he would be things would be just as clear and he wouldn’t and he wouldn’t be he wouldn’t be um

Offering offering so many sort of possible uh lines to the to to to the opposition I also I mean I have to say the the argument he presents there that well the opposition are opposing what we’re doing is isn’t the isn’t the strongest uh politics is it I mean that

Cluing the name mate but also I mean it’s also just not true when he says in spite of him blocking every single ATT they haven’t blocked it well I know they I know they Haven actually that everything that Richi wanted to do he has been able to do well and the only

People liable to block what he’s doing now are sitting on behind him a come on it’s beautiful it’s the current state of players is are you not entertained by this like the um you know that you can have this big a majority and and be be in this mess it’s it’s

Just just it’s gorgeous I’m you know it’s more the Black Knight than Gladiator I would say yes I think so what you’re going to do bleed on me at this stage is how the prime minister is approaching politics it’s not gone down very well uh people watching on

YouTube kadia says that was the worst possible answer I mean we’ still got five more goals that no com no comment right let’s uh let’s see if it gets any better are you the prime minister no comment uh let’s go back to the house of commment this is question number two from Kiss

Dber Mr my my first thought is how do you actually lose 4,250 people uh then you remember that this is the government that scrapped hs2 but the costs are still Rising by billions this is the government that spent £400 million of taxpayers money on a Rwanda scheme yet can’t Deport a

Single person and this is the government that waged a week-long war on the Greek Prime Minister for reasons known only to themselves and suddenly reminded that of course this far of a government could lose the people it was planning to remove but he didn’t answer the question

So I’ll ask him again where are the 4,250 people that the government has lost where are they Mr Speaker Mr Speaker as I said we’ve actually identified and removed over 20,000 people from this country back to where they belong but but he talks he asks these questions about the

Rwanda scheme Mr Speaker that it is important that we get this up and running because it’s important as the National Crime agency say that we have a working deterrence to resolve this issue that’s indeed how Australia solved this problem Albania has worked for us but we know he asked these questions Mr Speaker

About the detail of these these things but we all know he doesn’t he doesn’t actually care about solving this problem and we know this because when when the BBC asked him when the BBC asked him about the Rwanda plan they quiz him they said if the numbers crossing the channel

On small boats decline I.E so it’s working would you still reverse it the labor leader said yes it’s Crystal Clear he doesn’t have a plan and it will be back to square one Mr another one another B to square one I mean losing the 4,000 people no comment

Would have worked quite well though I think or at least if he’ had the ner to say have got a very large sofa and they’re hiding behind well they’re staying at the Ritz aren’t they as I understand it K star was question if you’ve lost something by definition you

Don’t know I mean it’s like when you can’t find your keys and someone say Well when did you last have them if nobody knew that they wouldn’t be lost well yeah I mean the last place yeah exactly the last place you had them yeah do the week long war on the Greeks

Though I mean that may be a good course of action for the government you know if in doubt start a small war that might be one we could actually win I thought um he was sort of starting to mount together the sort of thing that we’ve

Talked in recent weeks Tim that that K star has missed the opportunity of of like taking a whole load of threads and tie them all together this isn’t working that isn’t working um and so he talked about how you’ve lost 4,000 people people they scrap T just to with the

Cost are still going up they went back to around again I mean you’d have to be quite specialist to remember the r with the Greek Prime Minister the mar I mean there quite a lot of other things it’s like it’s aimed at the listeners to this show surely you know people who listen

To the show they they remember that they remember the king because then the king got involved didn’t he yeah exactly the Greek tie they go see maybe that’ll be in the next question Sak’s answer to do to be boring for a moment is not a bad

One which is that you know even if this was working starm would get rid of it yeah um you know which will have an impact with some voters maybe not ones listening to this show B is not working well that’s that was been uh so anyway let’s go back to the

House of commment there the question number three uh with from K St Mr Speaker spending 400 million pounds on a plan not to get anybody to Rwanda whilst losing 4,000 people is not a plan it’s a fast o only this only this government could waste hundreds of millions of

Pounds on a removals policy that doesn’t remove anyone only this government could claim that it’s going to get flights off the ground only to discover they couldn’t find a plane only Sunday only this government could sign a removal deal with Rwanda only to end up taking people from Rwanda

To here but it but he still hasn’t answered the question so I’ll try again what progress has he made in locating the 4,250 people his government has apparently lost he’s dodged it three times where are they let’s just jump in there in terms of the Almo as an expert

Of these these things yeah is this working comedically the only this government I it’s it has the Rhythm and sound of a joke I mean comedically is uh he doing an awful lot of work there and then of course and of course you know like there are the categories of joke

Aren’t there there’s a joke a joke You’ a joke you’d use on stage is a joke you’d put in a novel as a joke you’d say in Parliament right uh uh from funniest to least funny just to help anyone who wasn’t sure of the bar is low on the

Third one bar quite clear but yeah I mean he’s he’s basically he’s basically creating a a comedic rhetorical trap here for for the Prime Minister and I think he he you know in it’s kind of serviceable in that regard what what I quite like was was was how that I mean

Was it a triple negative yeah you know he’s this thing is so sort of complicated and gnarly that that starm is having to sort of resort to Triple negatives and all this sort of thing to to point out you know they they can’t find a plane all this sort thing

It so he’s got the r of three I mean yeah you’re about to go on tour aren is this the idea you’re picking starmer’s brains for for jokes here well I mean I’ve got a lot of black Pages now so I need I’m basically working out should I

Take am I taking that one I think we’re going to leave that what I find strange about this approach a little bit is that he seems to be trying to make out that this is a uniquely incompetent conservative government anyone who can remember the previous two might wonder

Whether that’s um well because the the the flights plan without any planes is is that dates all the way back to to Chris gring and the the ferry company that didn’t own any feries but isn’t this I mean the Tory government here is working on a rule of three isn’t it um

This is the third the third funniest of the lot isn’t it it isn’t that way he could go there with that could he you know somebody Andy’s been in touch as well to say because if we get square one again is if things have deteriorated isn’t Square One a better place than we

Are now so actually yeah that would be back at zero you least know what square one if we go back to square one so we forget the toia government we go back to how it was under the last Labor government let’s take they should reclaim square one anyway let’s find out

Um I’m can’t remember what the question was but but there’s going to be an answer there’s going be an answer which is going to use the phrase comment uh there’s going be we use the phrase uh back to square one I imagine this is which you

Sit Mr Speaker it’s the same thing again and again here we are talking about what we are doing but I’m H I’m happy to go over it Mr Speaker what are we doing we’ve increased the number of illegal enforcement raids by 70% leading to thousands of arrests using powers Mr

Speaker that he blocked in this house we have closed down thousands of bank accounts of illegal workers again using powers that he blocked Mr Speaker do you want that early cup of tea are you going to a little bit more silent speaker as I said we have worked through a

Rec and returned a record number of people back to where theyve come all of that is a plan that is working and and we can see that is working because the numbers of people coming to this country are down by over a third Mr Speaker but

Again it is a a bit Rich to hear him in here pretending that he cares about how we actually stop the boats when he’s been Crystal Clear he’s been crystal clear and said that even if the plan is working to reduce the numbers he would still scrap it Mr Speaker is because he

Has no values no conviction and no plan it is back to square one hey is is the idea here that um you know that that the would be immigrant goes God nothing works in Britain I won’t go there then is that what they is that was is that what he’s aiming at

Here works anymore yeah exactly they can’t find a ferry I I won’t bother going there off to Greece it’s warmer there it’s warmer well the whole point is there are far far more uh asers in Greece it’s a few of them who reach here which is why um I don’t know working

Cooperatively together in some way with European countries might be a anyway that’s just no idea what you’re talking about Absolut well they have a lot of Upstream work as they call it I think they would at that point Matthew yeah up up your stream as well um uh because

Lindsy H had to deal with some shouting there what’s your best tactic for dealing with heckler’s Al oh I get my retaliation early I think what what H’s doing wrong is is he should start pmqs by basically roasting the front four rows of of um of both sides of the house

Before he calls the before he calls starma to um ask his first question saw Stuart Lee on Monday night spent the whole first half of the show just having a go at the audience why it get repetitive cuz he’s done and what do you do and what do you do of

Question you’d be struggling with some of the labor front bench it’s true to say oh absolutely Rachel Reeves isn’t there because she’s in uh knee deep in Davos well that means there’s only half the people that most people recognize that have any have government people gone to

Devos yeah I think David Cameron’s going and Jeremy hunts going they’re very at home there aren’t they yeah yeah you know horses for coures very very old very old school that the idea of Cameron rocking up at Davos isn’t it it’s like smacks of wasn’t there a story I

Remember when they went to Davos with George Osborne they spent hundreds and hundreds of pounds on a cheese fond de or something yeah during austerity which we obviously yeah yeah yeah yeah kept going for weeks I mean good times the cheese fondue during austerity good

Times I mean that was all they had to worry about yeah exactly was a fondue was a cheese fondue bought down by cheese fondu right let’s go back to the House of Commons then for uh the four fourth time of K star asking something complicated about Randa and then Rich

Next saying back to square one he hasn’t got a clue where where they are as it I could tell I can tell you one place they are I’m and that’s Rwanda because the only people who sent to Rwanda is cabinet ministers and for all the word the

Ridiculous thing is we know the Prime Minister himself doesn’t even believe in this Rwanda gimmick he had to be talked out of scrapping the whole thing he didn’t want to fund it he didn’t think it would work when he sees his party tearing itself apart hundreds of bald

Men scrapping over a single broken com doesn’t he wish he’d had the courage to stick to his guns taking that one personally well Mr Mr speaker now I have absolute conviction that the plan we’ve put in place for work absolute conviction because I believe it’s important that we grip this problem now

He spends a lot of his time in this house talking about his time as a lawyer Mr Speaker and I would urge him to listen to them because Lord Wolfson has said that our bill severely limits the four eminent K’s has said that it is undoubtedly the most robust piece of

Immigration legislation this Parliament has seen and and Mr Speaker a former Supreme cour Horizon system robust has got to say because it matters to my who feels it doesn’t matter to those please prime minister so he’s turning off four eminent Casey said this is undoubtedly the most robust legislation pass and a

Former Supreme Court justice has been clear that the bill would work but I know Mr Speaker he’s always been more interested in what Lefty lawyers have to say Mr Speaker I’ve even got here I’ve even got here the textbook that he authored for that and it’s called and I quote

European human rights law by Kier starma he printed out he’s waving it around he’s still going no lindsy HS intervened again when I stand up please sit down can I just say we don’t use props in this house and I will certainly ensure that if you do need reminding I

Certainly will k no problem it’s such utterly pathetic nonsense oh okay utterly pathetic nonsense he’s could be happier new year new nonsense where do you where do you stle the use of props Al oh I’m all for it I mean I think you know uh I I’ll I resort

To excel if I need it um you know we have a projector I mean the things is my bar is is always well stocked with vitt so if someone needs some crisps yeah I mean again again I think parliament’s limiting itself here you could if you

Could I mean you get a lot in the dispatch box you could imagine imagine if if if he had in there you know compromising photographs everything well they could go sort of for Whose Line Is It Anyway and the start Lindsey ho gives them either like

A a big in question one you must use snake you have to just keep passing it back forward got a lot of time for that actually reaching the stage where they’re becoming a sort of estuarial English uh face off now I me St was like

Doesn’t he got a clue got a clue where they are got a clue and sunak does it too when he’s trying to be sort of vaguely I mean t was he’s actually going to get out of foam square with one written on in it at some point isn’t it

That’s where we’re headed with this props thing here it is here is we are back to square one we get told off for that uh now um on this as you’re here as a as a professional comedian Al uh let’s let’s revisit uh K starm joke when he

Sees his party tearing itself apart hundreds of bold men scrapping over a single broken comb doesn’t he wish he’d had the courage to stick to his guns I mean it’s got words in it it’s got a lot of metaphors yes and it sort of it needed a Comey payoff it pitches

Up yeah exactly exactly or something to do with giving into his Fringe you know I mean what what just we’re just we’re just why don’t you mention that it’s Czech off’s comb isn’t it once you mention the comb there’s got to be some there’s got to be

Some more hair involved isn’t I mean it’s blow blow gun would be more interesting at this pointed yes I mean it’s yeah he’s the thing is is this isn’t what this isn’t what starmer isn’t good at the the the humor is he I mean I starmer’s really

Like I know I know there’s no the polling all says there’s no appetite for him is there that that people aren’t really into him but he’s a rail Replacement Service I don’t want to get on that bus but I have to get from A to B so I

Will get on the no train there is no train exactly there is no train spend six hours with your face just rattling up against the glass that is that’s that’s the next Labor been here oh God it soles me bust either way too hot or far too cold yeah that’s the next Labor

Government something to look forward to uh what we up to now is the next on number five yeah two more to go two more to go well let’s see if it gets any better let’s see if there’s any more prop work uh for wish she out to get

Lizzy horse seems very cross with everyone today let’s go back to the house of commments this is question number five from K St it’s such utterly pathetic nonsense he he’s been brutally exposed by his own MPS yet again he’s got one party chair who says she hopes the Lords

Will rip his Rwanda deal to Pieces he’s got two more who had to quit because they don’t think it’ll work all of them appointed by him all now in open revolt against his policy each other and reality is is there any wonder they all think this gimmick is doomed to failure

When the Prime Minister himself doesn’t believe in it Mr Mr Speaker Mr Speaker it is Rich to hear from The Honorable gentleman about belief in something because and it will be news to him it is actually the case that you can believe in something and stick to that position on this side

In the house I mean I will say to this side now he’s telling off the to somebody Ching in from other can I just say it’s very important it’s an important day people want to know what’s going on on so I want my constituents just like yours to

Hear what the pr has got to say prime minister just this week Mr Speaker we had another example of The Honorable gentleman doing one thing saying another because it this this week he backed the Home Secretary in Banning the terrorist group hisb teria despite him personally using the European Court of human rights

To try and stop them being banned and don’t take my word for it Mr Speaker the extremist own press release said and I quote the hisb but Tera legal team led by K St now I know I know he doesn’t like talking about them because they’ve been

A but when I see a group chanting Jihad on our streets I ban them he invoices them wow this quite Punchy to yes and the people behind him liked it which is part of the reason uh that this whole um uh theatrical Enterprise takes place each week um yeah I’m in that Tor

Central office lots of uh briefing against st’s sort of legal backstory and uh he’s deploying it quite well I mean it’s a decent line at the end you know invoice line not knowing the details of this casee this is another example of the cab rank rule some of them are cab

Rank and some of them aren’t and I don’t know specifically on this one some of them are ones that he just pursued because he sort of believed in doing certain things yeah yeah yeah I mean it I mean it obviously the there’s a series of man traps here that they’re trying to

Create for starm isn’t it around his around his career but I I again I just don’t know I don’t know it’s too late for that now yeah is is how it feels that that that that and also what with five questions in and he’s finally he’s finally resorted to this yeah which I

Think is quite quite interesting is that why would why would you not he why would you not start with this if you’re soon actor but I think that I think that’s a I think that’s a comedian’s approach start with your strong material well yeah absolutely but but in pmqs you’re

You start with the headline and the in but PM there sort of there’s a sort of cend building and st’s petering out a little bit I mean there wasn’t even really a question there this is a bit like operation Market Gard isn’t it I mean he did all right aten but he’s now

Been showing off just Alm Mo’s here G jeus I mean if we really I mean you know as well as I do the fundamental problem there was that the aircraft weren’t available for a full first just fade them out first Army um organizationally new so blame Jim Gavin you can find you can

Find more of that on what’s it called we have ways of making you talk we have ways of making you talk James Holland yes exactly right let’s go back to uh the House of Commons then uh this is Intervention number six from Lindsay [Applause] hoil because there’s eight questions

That I think some of the you may want well I’ll tell you what the some’s already gone off the list who wanted them you st Mr Speaker if he stuck to his position he’d be voting with us he’d be voting with us his for former Home Secretary says the plan won’t work his

Current Home Secretary calls it batshit his former immigration Minister doesn’t back his just apologize for the language on times radio there doesn’t believe in it unbelievable and last week another of his MPS said the tourist should admit that things have got worse since they came to office that after 14 years

They’ve left Britain less United the country is a sadder place if the prime min to can’t even persuade his own MPS that it’s worth supporting him if he himself doesn’t even believe in his own policies why on Earth should anyone else think differently Mr Speaker another week when it’s Crystal Clear The Honorable

Gentleman doesn’t believe in anything and he doesn’t have a plan now while he talks the country down let me update him on what’s actually been happening in the past week inflation more than half from 11% to 4% up today real wages Rising real wages Rising for the the fifth

Month in a row last week R started falling and millions of people benefited from a tax cut worth £450 so while he takes us back to square one with a 28 billion pound tax grab let’s stick with a plan that’s delivering a brighter future for Britain no long-term decisions no

Longterm decisions now Bri we now brighter future brighter Futures without long-term decisions brighter future rather than the gloomy business to currently yeah must apologize about the potty mouth leader of the opposition unbelievable it’s great though isn’t it you can’t wave a piece of paper around

But you can I mean how long’s that been did that become par language I think we established that bat ship was okay wasn’t it we on it’s it’s you said it again I’m really sorry Mom I know why this is why you don’t normally listen to this show Mom I

Understand yeah apparently it’s fine it’s not on the offc rules it’s F but the thing but when did that when did did that when did that start being a word you could say in Parliament uh it’s a good question I think it’s when the the the Home Secretary was being accused

Where bet you if you call someone a liar however yeah of course yeah exactly or or or have a print out of a of a document yeah yeah so uh what do we think overall after all that are we any further any the wiser so I think Suppose

There were several questions like what’s the purpose of pmqs uh is it to like land a new news story has has K St generated a new new news story no has he inserted himself into the news story nah not really really uh he’s tried he’s trying to stir the pot with the other

Side and and but there were no real Punchy sort of questions that would have divided sunak from his you know from the people rebelling and actually if he’ done that thing we’ve talked about this before because he had all the quotes there that Lee Anderson and said if he

Just read out what they’d said yeah and said what’ you say to him yeah you know really sort of you know tried to to exac acate that friction but but but there the labor seem to be in a don’t make don’t interrupt your enemy when he’s making a stake mistake mode aren’t they

That’s what that’s what they’ve been they’ve sort of hibernated having to uh take any action haven’t they for the for the last few months it’s been pretty much set on that direction of travel isn’t it and and while if the Tory part is going to tear itself apart why why

Change the story yeah yeah um uh so yeah I mean I thought what’s interesting obviously is as you said Tim is that quite clearly there’s some there’s an attack line emerging just calling him a lefty lawyer isn’t enough but being able to hang it on um uh uh who he’s worked

For yeah which is obviously partly why they banned them this week clearly is to to why ban them now George Osborne used to spend a million pounds in a budget just for a joke and they B Hiser to give them a line up well don’t you think I

Mean why why why what what’s I me the single problem with that is that I don’t think many people in the UK know what his buter is know whether or not we should be banning it or whether or not he should have no there were much bigger

News back around time of of 911 and a never sld them out of the news and they didn’t get banned then but Tom’s been in touch on the YouTube channel says Rich missed the obvious alliteration in his last RoR it should have been I ban them

He bills them a pro like Al wouldn’t have let that pass it’s I think I think that’s a very very good point and that is that basically when they do this all again tomorrow that’s uh be better on the second night night I mean this is obviously always permanently work in

Progress is yeah yeah everything’s work in progress so we we’ll talk about Al’s uh tour which is coming uh shortly and how he’s getting on writing his but I suspect better than I am with writing mine we’ll also find out about the best of the rest yes maybe

Some of the backbench questions were better did lindsy H ever get to them uh we’ll find out uh L SP will be here next here on times radio politics without the boring bits Matt chy on times radio Perfection matched passion driven Alfa Romeo a oneof aind spirit it’s meant to

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On times like Zoo radio name isn’t it it’s got got Tim Shipman’s here Alo comedian Almo crew do we clap you have to laugh aggressively at all your jokes and then straight out of the show we’re going to go an8 hour Bender uh yeah got L Spirits now here hello laa

How are you I’m good thank you how are you I’m very good so I trailed ahead that you were here because you going to really sum up all of the great questions from the back benches sum up uh for us what they like really boring today I’m afraid

Sold no I’ve told you about this I know you’ve me you’re supposed to Big the isn’t this because people want boring now that’s what we keep being told people want boring now we’ve had too much of the flashy nonsense not in this form not when it’s it was there was so

Many questions of please come to my constituency please say thank you to this person please this thing I’ve done is really good well this why because we know we keep being told about mainly in the Sunday Times that Richi sunak is uh so good with people and when he meets

Them in person this is well you’ve not been told that by the Sunday Times you’ve been told that people in Downing Street believe that to be the case that’s what 30 million people he going to sh shake their hands individually I remember when the toy party was telling

Us that Ian Duncan Smith being really dull was a good thing because people want boring now but the quiet man never found volume he so uh based on that then L this this Stella Builder I’ve done my best who who are we doing of course we’re going to Steven Flyn

First another bold man another bold man fighting find his when I listened to that out there I was like Matt is gonna absolutely love that comment you guys will talk about it for a little while so I’m afraid that I missed it but yeah Steph Flyn were going to uh first with a

Uh not untypical um question the cost of living and the conservatives response to it here we go Mr Speaker when people woke up today in homes that they can’t afford to heat with mortgages that they’re struggling to pay to news that inflation is once again on the rise they’ll have looked to

Westminster for answers and instead they find the UK government which is tearing itself apart over how quickly it can send vulnerable people on a plane to Rwanda surely the Prime Minister must understand that anger that some of his own backbenchers have towards him is no comparison to the anger that the public

Have towards his party right Minister Mi Mr Speaker if the honorable gentleman did care about supporting Working Families to pay their bills to pay their mortgage why on Earth is the S&P making Scotland the highest tax part of the United Kingdom where the average Mr Speaker not the wealthiest where the

Average worker in Scotland is now paying more more tax than they do in England that strikes me as quite a good point yeah I mean what’s that what’s that gift if the you know terrible person makes reasonable points yeah um uh yeah should we should we see I I

Assume stepen F just completely ignores that response uh yeah he does completely response yeah that’s where you goly of course Mr Speaker when it comes to the the Rwanda build the reality is that if you want to stop the the other thing he does because he he

Came on the show to talk about this he puts his hands in his pockets while he’s doing it yes because it it annoys to M pce yes but that’s also an old standup uh confidence trick that if you put your hands in your pockets it makes you feel

Relaxed so you then relax on stage that’s an old uh like body language Loop you can do for yourself if you’re on stage and you think you’re starting to sweat you get the dry mouth put your hands in your pockets because relax people have their hands in the pockets

And they think you’re relaxed you think you’re relax so I mean I only brought that up because you know you’re about to go on the road and throughout I know what to look for now yeah oh it’s going two hours with his fingers coming out the bottom

Of deeper I mean he has the vibe of you know some sort of hectic drama when suddenly a very calm young but bald in a well suited Scotsman turns up and goes basically in the end if you carry on like this things could get quite sticky for you it’s like Sinister yeah yeah

Yeah yeah he has that air perhaps he could be hired by one of the five Tory mafia families yeah because uh laa who we go to next we are going to Nick Fletcher next oh a big fan of Nick Fletcher who talks about both wanting a minister for men which we

Know is a a minister surely come on I this is rubbish a longstanding is so Nick Fletcher once used the commons debate to say the reason that young men were turning to crime was because there were too many women on on the Telly and the the female the female Doctor Who and

The female Ghostbusters yeah he said he literally said is it any wonder that so many young men told to car so Soh wasn’t very good but it didn’t make me Rob a petrol station well you know give it time this is a perfect example of a question where

He is both trying to advocate for that and also trying to ask for some sort of congratulation over some constituency related matter it listen to how he fails thank you Mr Speaker Mr Speaker today I was unsure whether to raise National issu such as the desperate need

For a minister for men or a local issue such as Don C’s need for a new hospital or edlington for a new ledure center but I thought the best thing I could do is ask the prime minister to come and have a tour of donc cter and while I’m

Showing him around my hometown I comess the need for a minister for men I can show him the site for a new hospital and I can introduce him to the people of Linton so he can discuss their new Leisure Center so will the Prime Minister accept my invitatione Minister well

Thanks friends fantastic campaigning on behalf of his constituents donc Casta city council has received I think more than 80 million in leveling up funding regeneration products and most recently Doncaster has been awarded 20 Milli in our longterm know he is working very hard to make sure his prior

For local people I be delighted to discuss those projects and his other ideas when I come and visit him as soon as my allows as my diary have a very clear diary I like the mention of the Leisure Center though because the voice reminded me of nothing

So much as the guy who went in 1984 nobody died in 1985 nobody died in 1986 somebody died 1987 nobody died it was I was reminded out that when Richie was going around saying 95% of schools weren’t falling down because of conquer fine yeah um what did you think of the question

Construction from Nick F Well I think I mean in that Thriller we were talking about um uh he’s the bloke who’s hopelessly out of his depth having like ordinary blood bloke running a Leisure Center who yeah who did who’s hopeless out of his death and that

Scotch bloke turns up to tell him he things might get sticky we’re starting to P together wed into the the center where they’re exactly organizing The Heist ex exactly right exactly yeah um I mean obviously you need MPS like that so that the ones at the on the

Front benches can shine so bright that’s true it’s all relative it’s all relative yeah yeah uh very good this is stood extraordinarily pmqs unpacked on time ready where are we going next lava SPO so if we have time it’d be great to go to Charlotte Nichols for a less amusing

Question but this is is about um the worrying shortage of drugs that we’re seeing in pharmacies um and I think the response from sunak is quite interesting on what the government hopes to do next thank you Mr Speaker I’ve been contacted by desperate constituents who have rung every every single Pharmacy

Within a 50m radius of Warrington and still haven’t been able to access their medication for ADHD this has been going on for months and isn’t just a Warrington issue pharmacists are calling it The Worst shortage ever seen with only 11% of people able to access their

Full dose this month and ADHD UK have called the government’s response pathetic they’re right aren’t they yeah so I’m very sorry to hear about the situation in The Honorable L’s constituency but the health secretary obviously heard what she said and is in touch with the relevant drug bodies to

Make sure we can have the provision of ADHD medicine to all of those who need it was interesting that Victoria Atkins who is the health on the front page sort of Leaning forward she looked nodding aggressively nodding aggressively like this might be the first time it’s come to her attention reach to attention

Anyway I suppose that’s an that’s a good example of someone using pmqs for for good lava yeah I would say that was one of the questions which uh stayed true to the purpose of prime minister’s questions which is to actually ask a question um ass out of this fat house there was

It zo radio isn’t zo now um but I think the STA she cited there was staggering what was it 11% of those on ADHD and medication have been unable to get but also what’s causing this do we know I think various supply chain issues that I haven’t heard any Minister because I

Mean one of the interesting things is uh uh here we are we’ve had the Le leader of the opposition’s questions there is a there is a global supply chain uh uh question hanging over everything with the with with with uh you know the the Red Sea and with the or the hooes that’s

The question well exactly the red you know the the the that where that they were scrabbling around in the Rwanda mud for three or four questions when there’s actually mil you know Royal Navy is engaged in military action in Yemen like why are we not why are we not talking

About that why have you got Al Murray on and he’s not been asked to talk about the war no but quite seriously you know the the the because last week there was a over the weekend there all this talk about they’ve gone there’s been military action without consulting Parliament and

The Rights and Wrongs of that but it just it’s not been mentioned and I find that maybe it will be later on in about Ben question I find it quite I find it sort of the sort of fundamental unseriousness in that regard quite quite surprising and suddenly there’s a

Serious question about a serious issue that affects people and soon act stops like laughing and and or or trying to land blows and engages with it seriously and I think you know find of I that’s the thing in the end where I where I think God we’ve got gosh we’ve got a

Kind of frivolity problem not a little bit shocking that you don’t think we need a minister for men now well of course is it is it not specifically a minister for me men in Leisure censers whose job it was to get more men into Leisure Cent it’s but it has to be

I mean he’s he got to be a minister isn’t it and when labor get in they should appoint one and make a woman Minister for men and then we can we can we can hear the explosion the windows will rattle when when the news reaches him I’m not sure he’ll be

Representing Don gust election to be honest I’ve got half an answer to the question uh because apparently the shortage of man is affecting people with ADHD diabetes cancer treatments HRT to combination of manufacturing problems missing key ingredients and Global demand putting pressure on Supply it’s called The Royal pharmaceutical Society

Right and it’s just getting worse apparently go and as result pharmacists are facing aggression and abuse and frustrated and anxious customers so there we are I feel like unusually I feel like I’ve learned something so thank you for that L thank what will you be in people’s inboxes 3 p.m. last Spit

With the red box pmqs unpacked email up next we’ll find out why Al is actually here and how you can come and see him doing it properly in a theater near you we’ll do that next on times radio Kate bour tonight from 8 on times radio we’ve

Got a second day of amendments on the government’s Rwanda bill before MPS have to decide whether to vote for or against the bill itself we’ll be speaking to conservative MP and member of the home Affairs committee Tim Lorton we’re also joined by Jason