El Maestro Chocera, Antonio Gandano, es una figura emblématica de la construcción tradicional no sólo en Andalucia, sino también en el mundo entero, ya que ha sido galornado por varios premios de arquitectura.
En esta entrevista que nos acordó en Arcos de la Frontera de una día para otro, y eso se lo agradecemos mucho, nos contó su historia y la de las chozas, que para él no es nada menos que la historia de la construcción y por consequencia la de la humanidad.
Cuando le preguntamos lo que es una choza, nos contesta que el primer ingrediente es el amor, una palabra que salirá muchas veces de su boca a lo largo de la entrevista. Una choza no es nada menos que una construcción natural hecha de materiales naturales como paja, madera, caña, fibras vegetales, madera, tierra, arena, piedra y agua… pero sobre todo que encontramos en el entorno cercano a la construcción. Construir una choza necesita sentir con todos sus sentidos y tener el conocimiento del campo: cómo nacen los arboles, como se reproducen, cuando cortarlos, qué insectos les ataquan…
Antonio Gandano aprendió trabajando con maestros andaluces y viajó por el mundo para inspirarse de comunidades autóctonas que le enseñaron su manera de amar y respetar los materiales naturales y el medio ambiente en general.
El maestro chocero construye catedrales para personas reales, porque “somos todos dioses y merecemos todos la dignidad de vivir en un palacio”.
También tuvimos la suerte de poder visitar una de las chozas construidas por el Maestro Chocero en Medina Sidonia y se lo agradecemos mucho a Kerry Walters, la dueña de la casa, que no sólo nos hizo visitar su casa, pero también nos facilitó muchos de sus contactos que fuimos a visitar luego en nuestro camino.
00:00: Presentación
06:22: Aprendizaje con las comunidades autóctonas
09:44: Historia de las chozas
15:05: Definición de una choza
24:41: Diferencia entra una choza y una vivienda convencional
34:57: ¿Aún quedan Maestros de la construcción tradicional?
36:34: ¿Cuál es el futuro de la construcción?
45:19: Coste de una choza
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https://proyectogandano.com/
https://maestrochocero.blogspot.com/
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https://www.youtube.com/@antoniogandano7285
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Hello! The man who greets all the people! Antonio Gandano, Master Hutbuilder. And who is the artist Master Hutbuilder? He is a man of the people, a humble, simple person. I have been lucky enough to be born in this corner where eternal Spring always accompanies us. Lots of light,
Lots of light, a splendid sun, a wonderful climate. That makes us have a way of being, a very street temperament. Sometimes we coat the salty, they call it. That’s funny to the people of southern Europe.
Keep in mind that I was born in a place where it has been conquered by everyone since the beginning. This is older. God did not exist and we were already here. I was lucky to be born here in a humble country family.
My father and my uncle were all from the countryside, they were born in a hut. They were people who dedicated themselves to agriculture, the culture of those years of the scythe and sickle. My migrant father and my seamstress mother. They are both very handsome, normal, what am I going to say about them.
And nothing, because I was always born from a very young age with that touch of rebellion, of wanting to know the world, of wanting to be an artist. I have always wanted to be an artist and dedicate myself to art. And it hasn’t been easy. It has been based on many stumbles,
Until I discovered what perseverance was. Because when you are young you dance, you go from flower to flower. Here we call it “marmariendo”. We go from flower to flower until there comes a time when you realize that it is perseverance that can be strong in one field and not in another.
And that perseverance is what has made you visit me today, for example, that well, you see, the people who arrive at the bar greet me and say “Ah, teacher, I don’t know what…” Here we all love each other and I They love a lot and I love them all. How were you trained?
Looking for the great teachers who were in the town then, who were in the area. And not even they believed it. They told me that this was impossible, that I should stop being stupid, that I should go put in tiles, because I should put in grass.
That where was the land going, that bricks were no longer laid, that bricks were no longer made, that the stones were used to make cathedrals, that cathedrals were no longer made. It was a fight, a big fight, against the teachers themselves. Don’t think it has been easy.
But in the end the teachers saw that there was something. Many teachers… They have all died, I am now alone. And he said “You are the teacher.” And at the end of that day I decided to make myself a card, a business card. Antonio Gandano, Master Chocero.
And I made the cards with great fear. I didn’t do them in arcs, I did them where no one knew me, because I was embarrassed to do them. And I had the cards for more than a year. I was ashamed to give it to people, it seemed arrogant to me.
I had a bad time, I had a very bad time. Today I realized that it was nonsense. It was such nonsense that anyone takes on the title of teacher, you know. I see it there. But hey, it’s okay, there’s everything. Time puts you in your place and takes you away.
I have been fortunate, I have been recognized nationally and internationally, with several awards. My work is a work that is studied. And where can your work be seen nearby?
In Medina Sidonia there is one, in Zahara De La Sierra there is another, in Ronda there is another, in Extremadura there is another, in Madrid there is another. There are many spread throughout Spain. We talk about construction as housing, then there is another thing we do which is recreational roofs, recreational huts.
In Seville, in Arcos… What is a recreational roof? A recreational roof is this roof that is made without walls that in the end is to put a nightstand, to be a gazebo. In Argentina, in South America they call them quinchos.
In Guadeloupe they put picnic tables underneath and people stand there to protect themselves from the sun. – Is that. – Okay There is straw too. We make a lot of straw for swimming pools, for camping, in zoos, in recreation areas, in restaurants. And what did you learn from the trips you took?
For example, you went to San Blas, you went to other places. What did you learn with these communities? Well I have learned their techniques, their way of loving, of respecting. For me love is respect. So when you meet people who respect, who love the materials with which they build their own house,
You have to decide whether to take your hat off. That’s the message. That is the message of love, respect. Knowledge is acquired through respect, love. There’s nothing, it’s very simple. Feel. Surrender all your feelings. Smell. Smell the material, the stone, the earth, the humidity, feel it, touch it.
Touching the wood, how it sticks, how it is soft. Close your eyes, feel with your eyes closed. Open your eyes and look without touching, without smelling. Let it be the view that when you walk through a place from a distance you see and know what you are seeing.
Because? Because it is transmitting to you, you are feeling with your ear. Know what animals live, what other beings live in that plant, under a stone. You cannot aggressively remove a stone. You have to remove it gently. No, don’t rest on your laurels.
I’m not telling you that it is a contemplative life, no. You have to be aware that there are animals, that there is life. And if there is a logging company, then don’t take that stone, you leave it as it was and go to another one. You don’t have to destroy a nest, why?
Don’t go when the birds are nesting, man. Don’t go when the birds are nesting, man. Or don’t step on the farmer’s crop, respect it. Don’t mistreat the water. Don’t litter, don’t contaminate the field, man. He goes to the countryside with nothing. And you come with other people’s garbage.
I go to the field with nothing. I don’t carry anything, because in the countryside they give me everything. In the countryside I have food, I have water, I have everything. I always go with nothing, but I always come back with the dirt that someone else has left and that’s it.
And that’s what you have to do that one. That’s respect. This is what I have learned in these communities: not to get dirty, to clean after clean. Why do you want a shiny marble floor if it is full of garbage, plastic and cigarette butts?
For that, a clean and swept dirt floor, clean without plastic and without anything; that is clean. That is the soil that exists in the communities. There are people in the towns who are worthy of admiration and as clean as possible. It’s not dirt. The history of the huts,
Telling you the history of the home as such as a hut is telling you the history of the construction. It is something that everyone knows, that is, since the time of the dinosaurs, man goes to the cave because he has to defend himself,
But he decides to leave the cave and to get out of the cave, because he needs a cover and they begin to use animal skin cover because they are hunters. And then later, well, you know, they start to be more sedentary; They stop being nomadic and become sedentary,
Which is why when it comes to cultivating grain, they begin to build more stable homes. So for that, they already use what are plants, both the wood, the branches, to protect the fire, to protect themselves from animals and so on. And that’s because it turns out that then the stone arrives,
Along with the stone comes the earth, and the mixture of the two of the stone and the earth arrives. The first mortars arrive with the lime mortars. And the evolution continues. And well, perhaps the first big shock that the vegetal covers and pasture structures suffer,
When I talk about grass I talk about dry straw, When these people suffer the first setback, it is in the great fire of London. A fire that is started, occurs in a bakery, well you know the story, and all of London burns.
And then they decide that they cannot continue building in the cities with these materials, because it is a disgrace, there were many deaths, and it was a horror. Furthermore, Paris was already being built in France, It was already made of plaster and stone, so London could not be left behind.
Although there were the big ones like Folga, like Rome, Greece, and many others, but Paris was newer, so London had to follow. We are talking about 1400. And then that is where the huts suffered their first major setback. They were then moved back to the countryside.
And they don’t prohibit them, but they do prohibit them within the city. So they keep more for the farmer. The peasant there begins to leave the huts more than as housing, he begins to use them for livestock, as housing for livestock. In fact, the job of the chocero, the master chocero, is lost,
The job is lost since there is no longer demand. So the chocero is the owner. The rural man has no choice but to learn to make his own house, his own huts. That, together with the displacement they have suffered. What happens is that in general it suffers a very big break,
Because it does not evolve with the times; Times evolve, everything evolves, for the construction of the huts it does not evolve. On the contrary, it even regresses due to the lack of professionalism. Because people don’t make huts. They just do their own thing, and they do it the way their father did.
So if her father did her wrong, he continues to do her wrong. So this is the whiting that bites its tail, we enter the vicious circle. And that takes us to the updated days. You always have to know and keep in mind that there are exceptions, that you cannot generalize.
So in the exceptions there is England, as I have told you, there are many towns, many neighborhoods, many cities. In the same French Brittany, in the coastal area, there are towns where the roofs are still vegetal, and the walls are still made of stone.
In France in the southern area of Marseille, the Camargue, Arles, this area, there are also many. In Holland they have a lot of construction. In the entire world. Perhaps Africa and South America are the most accentuated, not the highest quality because, however, the highest quality is likely to be found in Japan,
South Africa or even in Europe. What is the best definition of a hut? A hut is a dwelling. There is one already in Don Quixote, the book by Miguel de Cervantes. Miguel de Cervantes said: “Sancho, I have heard the town priest say
That death comes to the highest of towers in the same way as to the humblest of huts.” And then he told him: “Yes, that’s why I prefer to live laughing in a hut than to live crying in a castle.” The huts have always been linked to popular housing,
The people’s housing to that of the poor, to that of the agriculturalist. What happen? That everyone wants to be rich, everyone wants to. We began to turn our backs on the huts. And in the last century we have entered the world of Portland cement,
At high temperatures, with the pollution that this entails, the amount of fossil that must be burned to be able to produce that cement. Steel, another of the great ones that must be burned. This then joins the plastic. For example, houses are no longer whitewashed with lime, they are not painted with lime;
Plastic paints are used. So all this, what have we done? We have thrown away our roots, our homes, we have abandoned them, and we have gone to live in a home that has no quality. Actually, a modern home needs air conditioning and heating, while a hut with the materials used for its construction
Is warm in winter and cool in summer, curiously. In other words, we are fighting because we want a cool house in the summer and warm in the winter, and we don’t do it. We do the opposite. So that? To enter the world of consumption, the world of electricity.
Which is spending money for the sake of spending. Homes that do not breathe today. But well, over time, in recent years, a group of young people among whom I am going to include myself, I don’t have to say anything, but well, that’s how it is,
We have worried about moving forward, about creating huts that adapt to these times. We make homes for families; You enter a hut and it is a dwelling. A home that changes people. For the person who lives in a hut, that person makes him or her more human,
It makes him or her more respectful of the environment. His emotional state has nothing to do with the person he was. Because? Because it is in constant communion with nature, with the materials with which it has made its house. Because making a hut is simple.
The first thing to do is see the place where you are going to build, and orient the winds, the hours of sun, study a little the cold, the rain. And then look around you and see what is there in the field, what is there on the farm,
What is there? There is that stone, there is that wood, that straw. With those three, four materials, build that home. Mold with those materials what a house is. We are talking about the history of humanity. It is a thing that is there and humanity has made mistakes many times
And in many sections of our daily lives. And one of the things we have been wrong about has been in current construction, in contemporary construction, in glass. When industrialization has arrived, how welcome it has been, or do I have any reason to be against anything,
On the contrary, thank you, the medicine is there, the machines, the speed, the ability to communicate thanks to a telephone, a camera. photos. But from there to using the materials well or badly there is a distance. And it seems to me that the materials, glass, steel, cement, and plastics,
Have been used poorly and even worse in construction. I understand that big capital is the one that moves all this through advertising, through position in governments, and through making us believe. I always use the story of The Three Little Pigs as an example.
If people knew that the story of The Three Little Pigs was long before Disney made the story, it already existed, but it existed in another version. They were three brothers who had a great time making music and dancing from fair to fair,
While what this man does is change it and adapt it in such a way that the straw house, the earth house, the wooden house are not worth it compared to the house. of cement. Because? Because they are the first architects of Portland, which is the first cement city as we currently know cement,
And it became industrialized. So this group of architects has to sell that product, and they are very intelligent people, they know that the best way to sell a product is from childhood. It’s not about selling a hut to a man who is 60 years old right now,
You have to sell it to a child at school, so that when he is 60 years old he wants to live in a hut. Well, they did the same; They sold a story to all of us little children and made people believe that cement, glass, and steel were good things.
And those who worked with dirt and those who worked with straw, well, they were four lazy, down-at-heel, dirty hippies, they were musicians, they were people with a bad life. And not. We are not people with a bad life, nor are we dirty, nor are we anything.
We are normal people, so educated, perhaps with more respect for humanity than they do, and when I talk about humanity I speak of course about Mother Nature, as the only goddess that exists for me, the pacha mama they call her. So far so good.
Today, as I told you, going back to what we did before, today we have managed to build or are managing to build houses that are luxury. Keep in mind that a green roof today has a life of at least 30 years.
I’m talking to you about the smallest thing, that is, we can lengthen it. If we use materials from our time such as wooden boards in OCB and create a roof and put breathable cotton fabrics, then we extend the time more. That happens like when they talk about electricity.
Listen. Why do we have to run electricity with plastic pipes buried in the walls? Listen. Why don’t we use cotton sleeves to wrap the cable? Why don’t we use rod covers that exist, that are on the market, that are sold? Plus my grandmother put that on and it worked.
Those little cables that could be seen on the wall braided in white, in ivory color. Why do we have to have a plastic electrical mechanism? Why don’t we have a mechanism made of fine, well-crafted porcelain or a piece of leather with an updated mechanism that you can get? Because? No, plastic.
It’s cheaper, it runs longer, it has less durability, we pollute more, we get more dirty. In short, conclusion, we are not moving forward: what we are doing is going backwards, and at the same time damaging the ecosystem and everything that surrounds us.
Many times they tell me: “well, what do you put for the water system? What has always been worn: glazed ceramic. I don’t have to put in a plastic tube either. I don’t understand why: “Oh, I’m going to the hardware store, I’ll buy it.” I don’t go to the hardware store.
I go, I tell my friend Juan, I tell him: “Juan, I need 20 meters of pipe.” And Juan in his oven, with his good, beautiful clay, prepares the glass for me. Hey and there it is. And it doesn’t get stuck in the glaze, grease doesn’t stick to it, soap doesn’t stick to it.
A hut is a current dwelling. And if you saw what we are doing today it would surprise you. We make blocks, they are two- and three-story housing blocks. Completely with good materials. But not because we do it, it has always been done. In the deserts, earth skyscrapers have been made,
They have been made. What are the components that a hut must have? A hut has to have at least… First a hut has to have a lot of love. And a lot of truth. That is essential. Something that does not exist in conventional construction, because they are made with slave labor,
Who are people who go to work and work is conceived, at least I conceive it, as slavery. That’s why I don’t work. I have never worked, I have refused to work. I am a creative and I do what I like. I do it with enjoyment and I do it with love.
So a hut is a house and it must be made with love. Because those who are going to live there are people. So for me all people are gods. Each person is their own god, for me. Therefore I don’t make a house, I don’t make a hut, what I make are cathedrals
For one person. There are those who make it for an omnipresent God and in the end a man ends up living in a black or white or purple tunic. No, I make cathedrals for the real people, who are the true gods: you, you, you, me, everyone.
Humans are our own god and deserve the dignity of living in a palace. And that Palace could be made of what? The ones I make are made of earth, stone, straw, grass, wood. The materials that Mother Nature provides around me.
The saying goes, my father says that the grass for the hut and the water for the plank, the closest is the best. With this I want to tell you that you don’t have to go looking for the materials, they are in our environment. There is a knowledge and dedication to that work
So that it is neat, so that it is real, so that it is true, so that it is of quality. Because if you don’t know, the wall will end up falling down. If you don’t know how to put straw in, it will end up raining on the roof.
If you don’t know what date you have to cut the wood, it will end up rotting. It is a knowledge. The greatest knowledge for construction is in the field. When you know the field, you know the materials.
When I say about knowing the materials, I’m talking about how they are born, how they reproduce. It is living history. And you have to know it, you have to know it first hand. You can’t leave it there to see what happens, no. No, no, that’s not seeing what happens.
You have to know who lives, who lives in that habit. If you are going to cut a cane, who lives in the cane field. And if you are going to cut chestnut wood, you have to know the chestnut tree, know the product, how that tree was born,
And how old it is, and if it produces one tannin or another, if it will stain, if it will not to stain, if this insect attacks it, if the other does not. That is with all materials. And then there are the work techniques.
The techniques have always been developed according to the region, the zone, the teachers, the mastery of each one, of each region. But they have always been perfected to meet the needs of fulfilling the function. A roof, a cover. A cover has a function to fulfill. Firstly, that no water enters,
Secondly that no heat or cold enter, thirdly that it protects the entire home. I mean, then the hat is very important. So it has been perfected to meet all those requirements. In fact, the thatch roof is the oldest in existence. It must be for a reason, Lord.
I don’t think my grandfather wanted to get wet; Nobody wants to get wet, or sleep on a roof that gets wet. This happens today with the roofs that are being made of concrete, and other materials with plastic, sheets, and all this rubbish, they have no other name,
Dirt, they are dirty materials, which what they do is contaminate. I talk to you about clean materials, local materials. Another very important thing for a construction in huts or whatever, are the feet, the foundations, what we call the boots. A home has to have good boots, because rainwater enters underneath.
If you don’t have good shoes, you’re going to get your feet wet, and if you get your feet wet, you’re going to catch a cold, you’re going to feel bad and uncomfortable. So you have to have good footwear, and that starts with a good foundation in a house, with good drainage.
That is done with a stone. It is made with a stone the size of a fist, and it is made with a stone with edges. Because if you put a round, bowling stone, rolled, the humidity rises by capillarity because it runs upwards. Then we will end up having humidity.
If you put plastic on it, which is what they put in today, what it does is suffocate, because it doesn’t breathe and the materials have to breathe. Because if you wrap a plastic bag around your arm, in the end what you are going to do is make your skin rot.
Well, the same thing happens to your house. So that’s why that knowledge is there, knowing how to use those materials, what materials should be used, and why they are used that way.
Because if you don’t know, then you won’t care and you will say: “This is the same thing.” No, it’s not the same. There is a why. I did not invent this, it is humanity. There are many people who have advanced. What happen? When you make a stone base wall,
If you want to leave the stone visible, man has always carved stone. That’s why cathedrals, churches, and all these great buildings exist. The palaces the castles; All of these large noble buildings are made of stone by master stonemasons and craftsmen, where the stone is carved by hand,
And fits one inside the other perfectly. It’s not worth a damn. For that, then a mortar is put on it, an earth mortar is put on it, a lime mortar is put on it. And that stone, when it has mortar, takes a lot of joint;
Through the joint, moisture is transmitted from the outside to the inside. That’s why it is covered. That is why there are stone walls that are covered, because they are not well carved. They are not fine stonework. The same thing happens with land works. There are things that don’t make sense.
What sense does it have? I am from southern Europe, I live in North Africa, I was raised here and born here. Do you think it makes any sense to create a jacuzzi or a sauna here? No, look, you make a sauna in Finland, You do it in Norway,
Here you make me a Chiringuito on the beach to have a red wine and a little shade, while the cicada is singing, I am in the shade with a refreshment, and taking a dip on the beach. Well no, people want to make a sauna here
And in Norway they want to make a beach bar. And that’s not how it works; that’s crazy. When you travel you realize that everything turns upside down. The less purchasing and economic power the countries have, when you travel through those countries, it turns out that people do not want to be poor.
Since they do not want to be poor, they identify poverty with housing. Because that has happened in Europe, this has happened here. Here everyone wanted to live like the dukedom, like the Duke , like the Count, like the marquisate, like the marquis, like the little gentleman, like the king.
Everyone wanted to live in a palace, and they still do, we are working on it. It seems to me that there are fewer teachers like you every day; Each one specializes and no one sees everything anymore. That’s another problem we’re running into. It is a problem that is marked by the new construction,
Which is that of the specialist. Here the trades have been marked, if you want a tiler, tiler, tiler, structural engineer, carpenter, electrician, plumber, then the one who has to know a little about everything is a technician, he is an architect who has a knowledge of study,
Who with Time is true that the work then learns it. But to build today, destroying comes first. To build is to destroy. We are going to build, but to build we have to destroy that mountain. Construction as we know it does not have 40 or 50 years left.
I am convinced that he has much less left. There will always be the fool who will continue to be fooled. But hey, there are many of us and many of these fools let ourselves be fooled. I am the first one who let me be fooled. What is the future of construction?
The future of construction is clearly a return to clean materials. At this time it is already there, there is no other, there is no other, there cannot be. It’s enough to contaminate, it’s enough to show that lack of respect. In other words, it’s a matter of time.
I already told you it’s not a lot of time. That will bring with it a return to mastery, a return to searching for the master bricklayer, who has a more complete knowledge of land, stones, and wood. They are not going to miss any job, because they don’t have to miss it,
But if there is a more responsible, more conscious person, who can stop a job and say, “Hey, hey, hey.” But I want it this way, I don’t want it to do this damage, and it’s a matter of time, there is no other way.
It is true that there are fewer and fewer of us left. We do not have much government. Governments have very abandoned us. When I speak this way, it seems that I am crying, that I am begging for alms. No, look at you. I don’t need anything from any government.
I really don’t need subsidies, I don’t need help. I don’t need to be given a job to start a school. I do not need anything. I have everything; I’ve always had it. My work is the only thing that supports me, my work is my greatest guarantee.
Is there. My perseverance, my daily life, my knowledge, are there. I make mistakes and I am right like every human being. Maybe I’m looking for perfection, but the perfection I’m looking for is found within imperfection, within what is natural. I don’t fight against nature.
I don’t like edges, because I don’t see them in nature. So I always look for sensuality, curves, I look more for poetry, I like poetry, I like colors, I like simple things, beautiful things, I like bodies, I like women, I like men.
When I see a body, “Ostía, how beautiful the body is.” I don’t care if it’s a man or a woman. Because? Because he doesn’t wake up, there is no sexual appetite, It is an attraction towards beauty. The same thing happens to me with the work. Or with the plant.
It’s not about me being hung up on the cane. When I see a bush of wheat I like it the same, and when I see a sunflower seed I love it. And when I see a gucha member or a palm, what I know. Because what I really like is beauty, movement.
That movement, that sensuality there, that poetry. And so that’s very important. In fact, I see the future as more and more hopeful, I told you, come on. I think it won’t take long for humanity to realize this. It is going to start in Europe and the movement has already started,
Thanks to what they call bioconstruction, thanks to the eco, thanks to the anti-systems. Thanks to all these minority movements, feminism, all these types of comments, the artists… Who in the end are minorities,
But in the end there are so many of us, so much, so much, so much, so much, that in the end we agree. And we are agreeing, not on the paths, which is very important, but on the facts, the desires, on what we would like to leave to our parents.
It is a way of adding, it is putting one more grain of sand in this pyramid, or in this dome or in this work, that together we all have to create. And that’s it, it has arrived. Climate change is a real thing.
We have to put a lot of remedies, a lot of solutions, and they have to be based on small details. To defeat the big enemy we have to form a wall, and see that they come. I find it very funny, I like it, and it makes me excited:
One thing I’m going to tell you. Large companies, nationally and internationally, already have a green leaf, a little house, in their logo. I handle the marketing. No, but, it’s not green, just the sign they put there. No, we already know, but it is already a step.
Now it’s up to us to talk to them and make them see that they have to take another step, that they can’t just keep the sign. The power is in the consumers. I have a lonely struggle, which I don’t think is lonely either,
Because I know that social networks have increasingly made this a window to the world. So when you want to do something, what I do is put it on social networks. for the simple reason that I know that many people are going to follow me and see it,
And many other people are going to copy it. So what I want is for them to copy it. What I like the most is when they copy it, because it shows that something is well done. Now there is a battle that I have been fighting for years.
I am talking to large companies at a national level, because I want their large office buildings, warehouses, industrial zones, in large industrial estates, in large cities, to be eco, to be bio. You can’t sell traditional or timeless to them, you have to sell organic to them, because that’s what they sell,
It’s the brand, it’s what they sell. So I tell them: “come on, why not make a bio building”? So I look for architects and people so that we can do the project for them with beautiful materials, so that they can sell their building now, that is, they can sell by example.
Not with the sticker. Oh well. It is important that at least we have managed to get them to join the sticker. Because really most of us, I see it, are still on the sticker. Because then in real events, people are not there. People still drive cars.
We claim a bicycle with a sticker, but we go by car. We demand that we not pollute, but we have a motive. We took something out of a mine. We are continually contradicting ourselves. You cannot be more Pope or more papist than the Pope.
He already told Rome what belongs to Rome and to the church what belongs to the church. I think we are on the right path, I think we are on the right path. For me, the fact that they wear the balloons seems great. And that they become owners seems great to me.
Now we have to try to sell them the buildings. And little by little. Hey, and in fact many of them, many of them, what happens is that this is not known, they live in eco houses, in bio houses. People don’t know that.
I do a lot, I do a lot of construction for people, I have clients who have a high-medium, medium-high purchasing power rather high than medium, and they opt for bioconstruction in their home, because they know about quality, we all know about quality. and more them.
People are very intelligent people to be up there and be able to generate everything they generate in whatever way, through deception or through marketing, whatever they do, I don’t know. It shows that they are intelligent. But nowadays can you build a biohouse when you don’t have much money? Clear.
Because we see that a lot with bioconstruction with the Bio brand, it is always for the rich, I have not seen poor people who have one. But that for another reason. If you are poor and you want a house, the best thing is to build it yourself, which is self-construction
For the simple reason that then what you want me to work and send me to work is worth money. What is really worth money is the labor. So you, as a poor person, have two options: one is self-construction. For this, the best thing you do is get advice from a master
Who is going to charge you nothing and less, because in the end he says “Well, I will charge you €3,000 to build your house for follow-up and advice.” Capitalism eats continuously and does not stop eating. So he is not interested: he has made investments, set parameters that come from generation to generation.
His father made a very large investment and he has to pay it off. He is going to leave another new investment for his heir, but we have to be very awake to try to ensure that the next investment that capitalism makes is respect for the environment.
I talk about respect for the environment in general, that is, what climate change is and what the fight is, saving the planet. And in it, for my part, I enter into what construction is, and what I try to make a reality.
That through my construction, the construction that I do or the construction that we do, many people, that what is coming is part of the future. Change is in our hands and I believe we are on the way. I’ve told you before, we’re on the road. It is very slow.
We do not have the weapons that they have. Realize that your voice is not heard; theirs, yes. A politician says “I’m going to take a shit” and they spend three days on TV saying that the politician said to go take a shit, and everyone knows that the politician went to take a shit.
You can claim what you want. You or a scientist, a person who has studied, a person with knowledge, a person with a master’s degree. Those people are not listened to. Artists are given their space when they have died. Do you have a positive message to end the interview?
I think everything has been positive. I wish nothing but you the best, and thank you for being here. Thanks to you. I will always be grateful and I will always carry them with me, I will never forget. Many thanks to Antonio Gandano “el Maestro Chocero” and Kerry Walters from Huerta de los Almendros.
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