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0:00 Intro
0:25 How Hermann is Coded
2:22 IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER
3:43 Testing Parameters
5:04 BATTLE REPORTS – Test Results
14:27 Interpreting Results
16:44 Why Tomyris Was Bad?
21:06 Zhuge Liang 4th Skill

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Just a few hours after the official skills  were revealed for Herman Prime he was already   implemented into the Rock battle simulator so I  started doing some pre-release test results and   guys Herman is performing a little bit rough  if I’m being honest with you so today we’re  

Going to go over dozens of pre-released battle  reports so that way you guys have an idea as to   how Herman Prime might perform when he comes  into rise of Kingdoms but first what’s going   on guys cheers okay so let’s talk about how Herman  Prime is actually implemented into the Rock battle  

Simulator of okay first of all the creator of  the rock battle simulator his name is Speckoh   he did implement the current version of the skills  that includes two stacks of poison instead of the   originally released three I’ve heard that that  was just a typo in the Chinese servers and it  

Was always intended to be two so it’s not like it  was a Nerf I have no idea and honestly it doesn’t   really matter and before we go any further there’s  going to be a link at the top of the description  

If you guys want to get the rock battle simulator  for yourself and go ahead and support Speckoh I am   not affiliated with them in any way it’s just  a very useful tool that we we’ve been using  

For months now on the channel now the other thing  we have to talk about as to how this is actually   implemented into the game is the expertise skill  now one of the things that people had questions  

About is that if you go over the 25 Stacks right  because you can possibly get multiple Stacks in   a single turn which could push you from 24 up to  let’s say 26 or 30 if you’re doing the AOE right  

Some people wondered like okay does it just  subtract 25 Stacks cast your active skill and   then you start like let’s say if it’s 30 stacks  of poison on the target does it subtract 25 and  

Then you start at five on the next turn cast the  active skill and you’re up to seven right away I   do not think that that’s how it was going to work  and that is also not how it was coded into the  

Simulator the way that it is currently coded in  the simulator is that if you have on a given turn   at the start of the turn 25 or more Stacks it will  reset them to Zero cast your active skill and then  

Give you however many stacks you would normally  get so in the case of the simulator we’re just   doing a 1V one so you get two stacks right after  that that so you basically start over at two okay  

Which is exactly how I think this is going to work  in the game there’s nothing in the actual skill   description that says remove 25 total set like  that’s not how it works okay it’s just counting  

Up to 25 once you hit 25 it resets that’s how I  think it’s going to work that’s how it’s coded   in the in the simulator so I think that the way  that he is currently coded in the Sim is probably  

Pretty accurate now let me just take this moment  to remind you guys that The Rock battle simulator   from our experience is only about at best maybe  90% accurate so it is a very helpful tool for   testing out a bunch of different things but it’s  not perfect and especially with commanders that  

Aren’t even in the game yet the developer of the  simulator can only Implement that Commander to the   best of their ability as to how they will expect  him to work in the game and historically Speckoh  

Has been very good at what he does and so I do  trust that he is implementing these commanders   as good as he possibly can and as always you  should definitely be waiting to see some actual   real game in-game testing results before you  make a decision to invest in a commander and  

You know what’s funny every time that I have a  disclaimer about the rock battle simulator in   these videos I still get like probably a dozen  people on the comment section below with like a   30 IQ who are like uh actually Omniarch these are  uh just simulation results and uh you should just  

Test him in game for real brother he’s not out  yet you clicked you clicked on a video about test   results before he’s out you knew you knew that  it was going to be pre-released results it would  

Be impossible to have Real Results because he’s  not in the game yet so if anybody in the comment   section below is complaining that the pre-release  results are pre-release results I’m just going to   link you to this portion of the video and call  you a silly goose okay and by Silly Goose I mean  

You’re an idiot okay joking aside let’s go over  the parameters for the test and I go over this   pretty much every time we use the simulator but  this is very important so that way you guys know  

What I am testing for when we are doing this  now this is a screenshot the only thing that   I’ve actually changed from the screenshot that is  inaccurate is the true capacity I actually tested   with 210,000 troop capacity for everything in  the video so just keep that in mind but you can  

See here that on both sides I gave them a 10%  Health Rune 5% skill damage uh City Skin The   Only Exception was for infantry I changed their  civilization to France and gave them 15% Health   that’s just cuz Leo was involved so obviously  skill damage isn’t going to be valuable there both  

Sides have a 10% defense Rune and both sides have  three purple pieces now I tried to pick the purple   pieces that were most likely to be used by free  to- play low Spinners things like that so they  

Do vary depending on the troop type and therefore  the iconic stats vary slightly but I just wanted   to make it as realistic as possible and yes we  did include the Ring of Doom and Horn of Horn of  

Fury both of those do add RNG to the test results  but that RNG is required to get an accurate result   because everybody uses both of these things in the  open field right so you have to add that RNG into  

It in order to get an accurate result out of all  of this uh also you could see the uh talent trees   that we use on both sides VIP 17 to 18 and 40%  all damage on both sides because we are in kvk  

That’s what you get for being on the map okay so  the first pairing that I tested was Herman Prime   primary with Zhuge Liang secondary and I already  showed you the talent build before but I will  

Reveal it once again just so you are aware you  can see the troop capacity I did change that to   make it more accurate and we went up against nevi  Joan now if you guys are familiar with these test  

Videos you know that Nevsky Joan is extremely  good in the open field but typically isn’t   very good in one one scenarios however the first  test results here this is basically an even trade   okay they have virtually identical SE it’s off by  three literally it’s off by three sev wounds okay  

Technically the the Herman one here moving on  to the second test result you will see that the   Herman Zhuge Liang actually loses with 50,000  remaining for the nevi Jones so the RNG was   definitely in the favor of the Herman Zhuge Liang  on the first result there you go you know that’s  

The case 50k remaining for the Nevsky Joan the  third result 23 3 and 12K remaining for the Herman   Zhuge Liang the fourth result 26k remaining for  the Nevsky Joan and the final result result was   basically even again so out of the five reports  that we did two of them basically they broke even  

They traded even okay one to one ratio then we  have one report with Nevsky Joan winning in the   20ks we have one report with Herman Zhuge Liang  winning in the 20ks and then one report where  

The nevi Joan just blows him out of the water so  this is I mean look Cavalry does counter archers   okay so that that’s one thing but this is not  this is not off to a great start start okay was  

Really not off to a great start to be honest with  you guys I would argue that the nevi Joan here   because of that 50k report now this could be RNG  but I think that they they’re the winners next we  

Did the same pairing up against Scipio Liu Che  and you can see over here that I did change it   to France and we put a little you know obviously  different equipment this is the talent build that  

I used for Scipio cuz I think that people do like  to grab the extra March speed and things like that   over here plus you have I think this is emergency  production down on the corner so I think this is  

A relatively common build for Scipio Prime and  here you can see that the Herman Zhuge Liang   does win with 44,000 remaining we have 19k SS  to 27.7k moving on to the next result we can see   83,000 remaining for the Herman Zhuge Liang with  basically double the S wounds for the losing side  

Over here which is uh unfortunate for the Scipio  next we have 70k remaining with again about double   the 2 to17 wound uh ratio moving on to the next  report we have 55k remaining and this one still  

In the favor of Herman Zhuge Liang and finally we  have 22k remaining so you can see here lots of RNG   present with the Herman Zhuge Liang combination  very unfortunate but they do win every single   time against Scipio with Liu so this is basically  the single best infantry Army and Herman Zhuge  

Liang will destroy that Army but definitely not  as powerful as you would expect I think you know   if you guys are familiar with these test results  Boudica with Zhuge Liang would have blown this out  

Of the water with like 100k remaining like it it’s  crazy so the test results you know again Herman JG   young does win every time but it’s not the blowout  that you would kind of expect it’s it’s good it’s  

Definitely good don’t get me wrong it’s definitely  good but it’s not like insane next we went back to   Nevsky Joan and we swapped the Herman Prime to the  secondary slot with Jong primary and you could see  

Here that is the talent build that I’m using for  the Zhuge Liang and this is you know I just wanted   to test to see if maybe the skill tree would be  a little bit more effective and unfortunately it  

Seems like that’s not the case now we’re going to  go through obviously more of these test results   so you can get a a better feel for it but it  seems like Herman Prime is probably going to  

Be primary Commander material that seems to be the  case so here you can see Nevsky Joan wins with 19k   remaining moving on to the second report you could  see Nevsky Joan wins again 35k remaining moving   on to the third report nevi Joan wins again 22k  remaining moving on to the fourth report Nevsky  

Joan barely wins this is basically a tie to be  honest with you guys and final result we can   see that the Zhuge Liang Herman does actually pull  out a w with 20K remaining so remember uh the nevi  

Jones was slightly better with the Herman Prime  Primary in this case I feel like the Nevsky Joan   definitely out outperformed I mean it won four  out of the five one of them was basically break  

Even so it won three out of the five I think uh  Herman Prime primary seems like it will probably   perform better let’s move on to the next test  next we went up against Scipio Liu Che once again  

With X Leong primary this time same talent build  that I just showed you from before and you can   see that the Scipio Liu Che loses again with 60k  remaining on the Archer side second test we have  

50k remaining for the Herman Prime side as well  moving on to the next test we have 73k remaining   it’s like a 2 to1 Sub wound uh ratio here which  is pretty good for The Archers moving on to the  

Next result we have uh 57k remaining and finally  we have 65k remaining so I would say it performed   pretty similar to what we saw before with the  Herman Prime as the primary I think the upper  

Limit was a little bit higher for the other one in  terms of units remaining so very similar results   here but what we we can say is that obviously  The Archers win every single time and you would  

Expect that because it’s going up against a troop  type that counters next I wanted to test Herman   with Tomyris because this was another pair that a  lot of people were saying was going to be really  

Good and this this is not so okay Herman Tomy  loses 75k remaining for the nevi Joan kind of   insane moving on to the next report 60k remaining  for nevi Joan moving on 63k remaining for nevi  

Joan uh almost two to one trades here in in the  Sev Wounds department moving on same thing 60k   remaining and finally almost 80k remaining 2 to1  SE wound ratio the Herman Tomy lost every single   time with massive amount of troops remaining  for the nevi Joan and that was really kind of  

Devastating okay I’m going to talk a little bit  more later as to why I think this pair is not   performing very well but yeah this was this was  not looking good and remember Nevsky Joan isn’t  

Really a great dueling Army so the fact that like  still losing here kind of a big yikes okay kind of   a big yikes and before you comments uh this does  include the museum Relic buff from Tomyris okay  

It does include that bonus health so yeah this  is not looking great in case you are wondering   this is the talent build that we are still using  for the uh Herman Prime next we did the same thing  

The Herman Prime Tomy up against Scipio Liu  Che this time and you could see still France   civilization and you could see that the Herman  Tomy lost okay now archers counter infantry and   this is a double AOE pairing so like this isn’t  even built for dueling okay and Herman Tomy lost  

28k remaining for the Infantry uh kind of looking  rough here moving on to the next result Hermann   Tomy loses again 29k remaining for the Infantry  moving on to the next result 17K remaining for   the Infantry guys 43k remaining for the Scipio  Liu Che and finally 40K remaining for Scipio  

Liu Che this is this is the bad ending guys this  is this is the the dream of Herman Tomy is being   shattered before for our very eyes because this  is now look the Herman is not meant for dueling  

Okay let me just be very clear it’s AOE poison  that’s the that’s the draw for him but you know   the fact that the trades are that bad like how bad  of a trade are you going to accept in exchange for  

The AOE poison debuffs that’s something that you  have to consider to put this into perspective if   you had like a Boudica prime with Jay Leong up  against this this would be blown out of the water  

It would be like a 3 to1 trade two to1 trades at  least right so this is over really bad results I   I this is really bad now just out of curiosity I  did the Herman toy against the Boudica Zhuge Liang  

Just cuz I wanted to see how that would go totally  destroyed okay 87K remaining for the Boudica Zhuge   Liang you can see the talent build down here  moving on to the next report 81k remaining next   report we have 97k remaining next report we have  87K remaining and finally 86k remaining so Herman  

Tomy absolutely obliterated basically next I put  Tomy on the bench I replaced it with Zhuge Liang   to see how it would how it perform and you can  see 18K remaining for the Boudica Zhuge Liang so   Boudica Zhuge Liang still beat the Herman Zhuge  Liang okay for the first support but you can  

See that the difference is way lower okay so the  Tomyris was definitely the problem uh with this   pairing and if we move forward a little bit next  report 38k remaining next report is uh actually   a win for the Herman Zhuge Liang which is very  impressive because Boudica Zhuge Liang is very  

Good at dueling especially from every test that  we’ve seen with the simulator it always performs   well moving on to the next result we see Herman  wins again with 3K remaining about it’s about a   even trade okay and then finally 34k almost 35k  remaining for Boudica so by putting Tomyris on  

The bench we get a significant Improvement out of  Herman Prime so Herman Prime Jay Leong looks like   that could be the way to go and for my last result  here I just wanted to do Herman toy against Guan  

Scipio okay A lot of people are still using Guan  Scipio and I wanted to see if it could at least   beat that cuz it’s kind of like the second best  infantry March that you could do if you don’t  

Have Liu Che okay we see about you know 20 29k  remaining for the Herman which is good he gets   the W there we get 31k remaining for the Herman  that’s good gets another W 31k remaining again  

Another win we have 12K remaining another win and  62k remaining uh another win so 5-0 Herman Tomyris   does beat the Guan Scipio okay so that is good  news the Scipio Liu Che dominates Herman Tomyris   kind of embarrassing to be honest with you guys  but uh at least Herman Tomyris can defeat the Guan  

Scipio okay so let’s talk about the conclusions  from this pre-release information that we have   this is I only did five battle reports for each  test okay just so I can get like a wide variety   of things for this video but what we can conclude  is that the Herman Prime is pretty underwhelming  

It’s he’s not dominating everything a lot of times  when we see like with huo he came out he was good   when Zhuge Liang came out he was amazing okay  he basically killed everything so with Herman   Prime we’re seeing the results aren’t insane  okay they’re not they’re pretty lukewarm and  

And dare I say they’re kind of bad to be honest  with you that being said dueling is not a 100%   accurate representation of how good a commander  is going to be in the open field and I know that  

That sounds like copium but like I said earlier  Nevsky Joan is not good at dueling typically it   loses a lot in the simulator and yet it still gets  insane results in the open field I’ve been using  

Uh with Nevsky Joan at my kvk it’s still one of  the best open field pairings probably top three   in the entire game right now so like just because  something loses a lot in the simulator doesn’t   mean that it’s a bad pairing and that could be  what we’re seeing here with Herman Prime now  

Again the other thing is not only are duels not  a great representation of how the commander could   be performing in the open field but also Herman  Prime is built for AOE damage right like he’s   actually made for that because his debuff is also  AOE right like he even has a skill exclusively for  

AOE skill damage bonus plus 20% so his value is  going to be in the AOE Department always okay and   the fact that it’s a half circle AOE is going to  be amazing and I really think that this you know  

Herman Prime is going to be one of those things  where I think it was Aristotle that said the   hole is greater than the some of its parts right  and I think that that’s probably the best way to  

Explain what I suspect will be the case for Herman  Prime in that he will probably perform really well   in open field murder balls but when you look  at his kit when you look at the 1 V1 duals he  

Just falls really really short so my prediction  is that he looks like he’s probably going to be   pretty squishy and he looks like you know if he’s  if it’s not a really dense crazy murder ball you  

May want to use Boudica Prime with nay Leong  that that might be the better route here but   if you are going into a Myrtle ball with tons  of targets to hit and tons of people to spread  

Poison to that’s I think where Herman Prime is  going to shine now the other conclusion that we   can talk about is what’s on the screen right  here Tomyris now why was the Tomyris pairing   failing so miserably well I did take a look at  and you can watch the test as it’s running and  

So I did start filming this and you can see here  this is where the Stacks are being counted uh for   the expertise okay and you see the get removed  and then boom it launches his active skill right  

After that um and so here we’re counting basically  both of these skills are counting the total number   of stacks of poison the expertise is counting how  many stacks of poison have been accumulated since  

The last time it popped and there you go so I’m  just going to pause it right here okay you can   see right now there are six stacks of poison and  the rage meter for Herman is nearly complete on  

The following turn he gets seven Stacks then he  castes that skill we’re up to 10 we go up to 11   and Tomyris casts her active skill now remember  she removes the poison stacks and this is one of  

The things that I noticed and it I mean this  is actually pretty generous earlier like even   here earlier in the battle it’s only at 11 by  the time Tomyris casts okay and I spent a good   amount of time just watching the Tomyris reports  and the thing with Herman Prime is that he has  

Rejuvenate from the support tree so he actually  has a really good rage engine and the longer the   battle goes on typically the faster your rage  cycle is going to be and a lot of times Toy’s   active skill was popping when she had seven  Stacks eight Stacks right like you can really  

Pop the active skills quickly and so the problem  that I can see from these pre-release results is   that the Tomyris active skill is dealing like 13  or 1,400 damage factor which in 2023 like we have   huo who’s dealing 2700 he’s dealing like double  the damage of Tomyris okay which is wild but not  

Only that Tomyris is removing the poison Stacks  which means that you know the Target no longer   has that poison debuff but also remember that  with mandrake root Herman takes 15% less damage   from any Target right and that’s assuming that the  target has Max Stacks okay so in the reports where  

We have Herman Prime primary Jay Leong secondary  once they get to the 15 Stacks which takes longer   cuz there’s no Tomyris but once they get there  they sit there forever they always take 50 15%   more skill damage and you always as Herman Prime  take 15% less all damage which is very important  

Taking 15% less all damage is huge but Tomyris  keeps removing them when you get to 7 8 11 stacks   you basically never besides like the first skill  cycle you pretty much never get a full 15 stack  

Clear from Tomyris because of how quick the rage  cycle is going once you get going with the Hermann   Prime primary so removing the poison stocks is  probably doing more harm than good you’re now   taking more damage because of mandrake root  is being reset and the consequence of that is  

That you’re dealing a 13 or, 1400 damage Factor  that’s horrible it’s pathetic right it’s nothing   it’s not good and then you’ve reset the stack so  that way by the time Herman Prime launches his   active skill the chances are that the target is  not back up to the 15 stacks of poison so they’re  

Not going to take the 45% increased skill damage  from the active skill on Herman Prime so what we   can find out here is that yes Herman with Tomy  will pop Herman active skill more often because   of Herman Prime’s expertise but the consequence  of that is that you’re just removing the poison  

Tack so quickly with that rid cycle that I think  it’s doing more harm than good and you’re still   the extra casts of the active skill you know  they’re not at their highest power because the  

Target doesn’t have the max stacks of the poison  anyway so I don’t know guys I I I’m starting to   think less of the Tamyra pairing after looking at  these early results um again we have to see how  

Performs in game that is like the most important  part about all this but it seems like the Tommy   pairing is uh much better on paper than it will  perform in the actual game now it’s also worth   noting that Tomy does have March speed on her  Relic which obviously that value is not shown  

Accurately in the in the simulator because March  speed is something that you only experience when   when moving around the field but I think Tomy is  just a little too outdated her damage factor is  

Really low and I mean I don’t know guys it’s uh  we’ll have to wait and see it could be the case   that the simulator is just completely inaccurate  for judging how good Tomy is that’s like 100% that  

Could be the case and you know obviously like I  said wait for the in game results for now though   it looks like Herman Prime should probably be  the primary commander and also Zhuge Liang is   probably his best option for secondary I mean they  both have a skill damage bonus this is Zhuge Liang  

Is for all skill damage but for Herman Prime  he has AOE skill damage bonus which for both   these commanders they both do AOE so that’s fine  now the other thing I want to know is this three  

Tar Target damage Factor here on the fourth skill  from Zhuge Liang it says this is not affected by   skill damage Buffs but the buff on Herman Prime is  not a skill damage buff it’s an AOE damage buff so  

Could it buff this possibly right I mean it’s the  only thing in the game that Buffs AOE damage so   you know could that be a loophole here to to make  this an even more powerful thing I have no idea  

I I don’t know like there’s no way to know until  it comes into the game but yeah that is the early   test results for Herman Prime so far are looking  quite underwhelming but definitely not a fully   accurate representation how he may perform when  he’s actually in the game so definitely stay tuned  

For actual results in Rise of Kingdoms I would  love to hear what you guys are starting to think   about Harmon Prime in the comments section below  if you guys missed everything that Herman Prime   is doing we covered all of his skills previously  on the channel so go ahead and check out some of  

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35 Comments

  1. UPDATE: The dev of the sim has informed me of two small errors in his coding. 1st is that Hermann is giving 20% Skill damage (instead of AoE damage) which doesn't affect much BUT it does mean that Tomyris is dealing MORE damage in the sim than she will in the real game… ☠ 2nd is that Hermann's 20% defense debuff is only procing when Hermann is casting his own active skill.

  2. Can you give a chance to leadership equipment with leadership rally?
    For example: ragnar primary and moktazoma secondary with concealed dagger against meta commanders

  3. Still feeling bringing herman prime with zhuge liang as single march for people who didnt worked on boudica yet is better then bringing boudica prime and you may use boudica as second march with ysg Nebu or artemisia

  4. Idea for a video : get back the old videos of rok simulator for commanders that already landed, recreate in game the simulations made in those video and compare them against the results that the simulator got back then, and calculate approx. accuracy of the simulator..

  5. Curious If I understood you correctly you said when it reaches 25 stacks it drops all the stacks and starts over? I understood it his stacks dont drop they just refresh. So my thinking is they will just keep on the targets until that target is dead or pulls out of battle and the timer ends on them, then allowing new stacks to move to a new target until you are back up to the 25 between all targets.

  6. 1) just a reminder that in the battle between baba and the 1960 Whale, Baba only won because of Tomy.

    2) Only accurate to 1v1 results but significantly misjudges tomy's performance.

    3) it undermines Tomy's value too much to the extent that this has bad implications on Tomy's stength in murderballs.

    4)The results are actually entirely opposite to how the Tomy would perform in a 5v5 – 7v7 or a murderball.

    5) Also reminder that most will be using Herman and dishing out tons of stacks. But not everyone will be using Tomy.
    This means that people who uses Tomy will definitely be taking advantage of other people's stacks with herman's aoe and do reasonable damage closer to 2K and not 1300 as implied in this video.

    6) Still a great video for 1v1 result but do take it with a grain of salt as once again Baba vs 1960 whale Baba won because of Tomy.

  7. I think the herman tomyris march shines in a murderball vs murderball scenario. The Herman elevates the tomyris so it isn’t 100% a wasted march in your murderball, but you still get the benefits of the poison stacks. It’s like modernizing tomyris, while not making the poison stack system too overpowered.

  8. It will depend on your situation. Assuming the simulator is accurate ya herman/tomy it's not going to be meta 1v1 and that's not really that surprising. If you're running 5+ marches adding a herman and 5×55 tomy to your lineup could nice.

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