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0:25 How Hermann is Coded
2:22 IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER
3:43 Testing Parameters
5:04 BATTLE REPORTS – Test Results
14:27 Interpreting Results
16:44 Why Tomyris Was Bad?
21:06 Zhuge Liang 4th Skill
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Just a few hours after the official skills were revealed for Herman Prime he was already implemented into the Rock battle simulator so I started doing some pre-release test results and guys Herman is performing a little bit rough if I’m being honest with you so today we’re
Going to go over dozens of pre-released battle reports so that way you guys have an idea as to how Herman Prime might perform when he comes into rise of Kingdoms but first what’s going on guys cheers okay so let’s talk about how Herman Prime is actually implemented into the Rock battle
Simulator of okay first of all the creator of the rock battle simulator his name is Speckoh he did implement the current version of the skills that includes two stacks of poison instead of the originally released three I’ve heard that that was just a typo in the Chinese servers and it
Was always intended to be two so it’s not like it was a Nerf I have no idea and honestly it doesn’t really matter and before we go any further there’s going to be a link at the top of the description
If you guys want to get the rock battle simulator for yourself and go ahead and support Speckoh I am not affiliated with them in any way it’s just a very useful tool that we we’ve been using
For months now on the channel now the other thing we have to talk about as to how this is actually implemented into the game is the expertise skill now one of the things that people had questions
About is that if you go over the 25 Stacks right because you can possibly get multiple Stacks in a single turn which could push you from 24 up to let’s say 26 or 30 if you’re doing the AOE right
Some people wondered like okay does it just subtract 25 Stacks cast your active skill and then you start like let’s say if it’s 30 stacks of poison on the target does it subtract 25 and
Then you start at five on the next turn cast the active skill and you’re up to seven right away I do not think that that’s how it was going to work and that is also not how it was coded into the
Simulator the way that it is currently coded in the simulator is that if you have on a given turn at the start of the turn 25 or more Stacks it will reset them to Zero cast your active skill and then
Give you however many stacks you would normally get so in the case of the simulator we’re just doing a 1V one so you get two stacks right after that that so you basically start over at two okay
Which is exactly how I think this is going to work in the game there’s nothing in the actual skill description that says remove 25 total set like that’s not how it works okay it’s just counting
Up to 25 once you hit 25 it resets that’s how I think it’s going to work that’s how it’s coded in the in the simulator so I think that the way that he is currently coded in the Sim is probably
Pretty accurate now let me just take this moment to remind you guys that The Rock battle simulator from our experience is only about at best maybe 90% accurate so it is a very helpful tool for testing out a bunch of different things but it’s not perfect and especially with commanders that
Aren’t even in the game yet the developer of the simulator can only Implement that Commander to the best of their ability as to how they will expect him to work in the game and historically Speckoh
Has been very good at what he does and so I do trust that he is implementing these commanders as good as he possibly can and as always you should definitely be waiting to see some actual real game in-game testing results before you make a decision to invest in a commander and
You know what’s funny every time that I have a disclaimer about the rock battle simulator in these videos I still get like probably a dozen people on the comment section below with like a 30 IQ who are like uh actually Omniarch these are uh just simulation results and uh you should just
Test him in game for real brother he’s not out yet you clicked you clicked on a video about test results before he’s out you knew you knew that it was going to be pre-released results it would
Be impossible to have Real Results because he’s not in the game yet so if anybody in the comment section below is complaining that the pre-release results are pre-release results I’m just going to link you to this portion of the video and call you a silly goose okay and by Silly Goose I mean
You’re an idiot okay joking aside let’s go over the parameters for the test and I go over this pretty much every time we use the simulator but this is very important so that way you guys know
What I am testing for when we are doing this now this is a screenshot the only thing that I’ve actually changed from the screenshot that is inaccurate is the true capacity I actually tested with 210,000 troop capacity for everything in the video so just keep that in mind but you can
See here that on both sides I gave them a 10% Health Rune 5% skill damage uh City Skin The Only Exception was for infantry I changed their civilization to France and gave them 15% Health that’s just cuz Leo was involved so obviously skill damage isn’t going to be valuable there both
Sides have a 10% defense Rune and both sides have three purple pieces now I tried to pick the purple pieces that were most likely to be used by free to- play low Spinners things like that so they
Do vary depending on the troop type and therefore the iconic stats vary slightly but I just wanted to make it as realistic as possible and yes we did include the Ring of Doom and Horn of Horn of
Fury both of those do add RNG to the test results but that RNG is required to get an accurate result because everybody uses both of these things in the open field right so you have to add that RNG into
It in order to get an accurate result out of all of this uh also you could see the uh talent trees that we use on both sides VIP 17 to 18 and 40% all damage on both sides because we are in kvk
That’s what you get for being on the map okay so the first pairing that I tested was Herman Prime primary with Zhuge Liang secondary and I already showed you the talent build before but I will
Reveal it once again just so you are aware you can see the troop capacity I did change that to make it more accurate and we went up against nevi Joan now if you guys are familiar with these test
Videos you know that Nevsky Joan is extremely good in the open field but typically isn’t very good in one one scenarios however the first test results here this is basically an even trade okay they have virtually identical SE it’s off by three literally it’s off by three sev wounds okay
Technically the the Herman one here moving on to the second test result you will see that the Herman Zhuge Liang actually loses with 50,000 remaining for the nevi Jones so the RNG was definitely in the favor of the Herman Zhuge Liang on the first result there you go you know that’s
The case 50k remaining for the Nevsky Joan the third result 23 3 and 12K remaining for the Herman Zhuge Liang the fourth result 26k remaining for the Nevsky Joan and the final result result was basically even again so out of the five reports that we did two of them basically they broke even
They traded even okay one to one ratio then we have one report with Nevsky Joan winning in the 20ks we have one report with Herman Zhuge Liang winning in the 20ks and then one report where
The nevi Joan just blows him out of the water so this is I mean look Cavalry does counter archers okay so that that’s one thing but this is not this is not off to a great start start okay was
Really not off to a great start to be honest with you guys I would argue that the nevi Joan here because of that 50k report now this could be RNG but I think that they they’re the winners next we
Did the same pairing up against Scipio Liu Che and you can see over here that I did change it to France and we put a little you know obviously different equipment this is the talent build that
I used for Scipio cuz I think that people do like to grab the extra March speed and things like that over here plus you have I think this is emergency production down on the corner so I think this is
A relatively common build for Scipio Prime and here you can see that the Herman Zhuge Liang does win with 44,000 remaining we have 19k SS to 27.7k moving on to the next result we can see 83,000 remaining for the Herman Zhuge Liang with basically double the S wounds for the losing side
Over here which is uh unfortunate for the Scipio next we have 70k remaining with again about double the 2 to17 wound uh ratio moving on to the next report we have 55k remaining and this one still
In the favor of Herman Zhuge Liang and finally we have 22k remaining so you can see here lots of RNG present with the Herman Zhuge Liang combination very unfortunate but they do win every single time against Scipio with Liu so this is basically the single best infantry Army and Herman Zhuge
Liang will destroy that Army but definitely not as powerful as you would expect I think you know if you guys are familiar with these test results Boudica with Zhuge Liang would have blown this out
Of the water with like 100k remaining like it it’s crazy so the test results you know again Herman JG young does win every time but it’s not the blowout that you would kind of expect it’s it’s good it’s
Definitely good don’t get me wrong it’s definitely good but it’s not like insane next we went back to Nevsky Joan and we swapped the Herman Prime to the secondary slot with Jong primary and you could see
Here that is the talent build that I’m using for the Zhuge Liang and this is you know I just wanted to test to see if maybe the skill tree would be a little bit more effective and unfortunately it
Seems like that’s not the case now we’re going to go through obviously more of these test results so you can get a a better feel for it but it seems like Herman Prime is probably going to
Be primary Commander material that seems to be the case so here you can see Nevsky Joan wins with 19k remaining moving on to the second report you could see Nevsky Joan wins again 35k remaining moving on to the third report nevi Joan wins again 22k remaining moving on to the fourth report Nevsky
Joan barely wins this is basically a tie to be honest with you guys and final result we can see that the Zhuge Liang Herman does actually pull out a w with 20K remaining so remember uh the nevi
Jones was slightly better with the Herman Prime Primary in this case I feel like the Nevsky Joan definitely out outperformed I mean it won four out of the five one of them was basically break
Even so it won three out of the five I think uh Herman Prime primary seems like it will probably perform better let’s move on to the next test next we went up against Scipio Liu Che once again
With X Leong primary this time same talent build that I just showed you from before and you can see that the Scipio Liu Che loses again with 60k remaining on the Archer side second test we have
50k remaining for the Herman Prime side as well moving on to the next test we have 73k remaining it’s like a 2 to1 Sub wound uh ratio here which is pretty good for The Archers moving on to the
Next result we have uh 57k remaining and finally we have 65k remaining so I would say it performed pretty similar to what we saw before with the Herman Prime as the primary I think the upper
Limit was a little bit higher for the other one in terms of units remaining so very similar results here but what we we can say is that obviously The Archers win every single time and you would
Expect that because it’s going up against a troop type that counters next I wanted to test Herman with Tomyris because this was another pair that a lot of people were saying was going to be really
Good and this this is not so okay Herman Tomy loses 75k remaining for the nevi Joan kind of insane moving on to the next report 60k remaining for nevi Joan moving on 63k remaining for nevi
Joan uh almost two to one trades here in in the Sev Wounds department moving on same thing 60k remaining and finally almost 80k remaining 2 to1 SE wound ratio the Herman Tomy lost every single time with massive amount of troops remaining for the nevi Joan and that was really kind of
Devastating okay I’m going to talk a little bit more later as to why I think this pair is not performing very well but yeah this was this was not looking good and remember Nevsky Joan isn’t
Really a great dueling Army so the fact that like still losing here kind of a big yikes okay kind of a big yikes and before you comments uh this does include the museum Relic buff from Tomyris okay
It does include that bonus health so yeah this is not looking great in case you are wondering this is the talent build that we are still using for the uh Herman Prime next we did the same thing
The Herman Prime Tomy up against Scipio Liu Che this time and you could see still France civilization and you could see that the Herman Tomy lost okay now archers counter infantry and this is a double AOE pairing so like this isn’t even built for dueling okay and Herman Tomy lost
28k remaining for the Infantry uh kind of looking rough here moving on to the next result Hermann Tomy loses again 29k remaining for the Infantry moving on to the next result 17K remaining for the Infantry guys 43k remaining for the Scipio Liu Che and finally 40K remaining for Scipio
Liu Che this is this is the bad ending guys this is this is the the dream of Herman Tomy is being shattered before for our very eyes because this is now look the Herman is not meant for dueling
Okay let me just be very clear it’s AOE poison that’s the that’s the draw for him but you know the fact that the trades are that bad like how bad of a trade are you going to accept in exchange for
The AOE poison debuffs that’s something that you have to consider to put this into perspective if you had like a Boudica prime with Jay Leong up against this this would be blown out of the water
It would be like a 3 to1 trade two to1 trades at least right so this is over really bad results I I this is really bad now just out of curiosity I did the Herman toy against the Boudica Zhuge Liang
Just cuz I wanted to see how that would go totally destroyed okay 87K remaining for the Boudica Zhuge Liang you can see the talent build down here moving on to the next report 81k remaining next report we have 97k remaining next report we have 87K remaining and finally 86k remaining so Herman
Tomy absolutely obliterated basically next I put Tomy on the bench I replaced it with Zhuge Liang to see how it would how it perform and you can see 18K remaining for the Boudica Zhuge Liang so Boudica Zhuge Liang still beat the Herman Zhuge Liang okay for the first support but you can
See that the difference is way lower okay so the Tomyris was definitely the problem uh with this pairing and if we move forward a little bit next report 38k remaining next report is uh actually a win for the Herman Zhuge Liang which is very impressive because Boudica Zhuge Liang is very
Good at dueling especially from every test that we’ve seen with the simulator it always performs well moving on to the next result we see Herman wins again with 3K remaining about it’s about a even trade okay and then finally 34k almost 35k remaining for Boudica so by putting Tomyris on
The bench we get a significant Improvement out of Herman Prime so Herman Prime Jay Leong looks like that could be the way to go and for my last result here I just wanted to do Herman toy against Guan
Scipio okay A lot of people are still using Guan Scipio and I wanted to see if it could at least beat that cuz it’s kind of like the second best infantry March that you could do if you don’t
Have Liu Che okay we see about you know 20 29k remaining for the Herman which is good he gets the W there we get 31k remaining for the Herman that’s good gets another W 31k remaining again
Another win we have 12K remaining another win and 62k remaining uh another win so 5-0 Herman Tomyris does beat the Guan Scipio okay so that is good news the Scipio Liu Che dominates Herman Tomyris kind of embarrassing to be honest with you guys but uh at least Herman Tomyris can defeat the Guan
Scipio okay so let’s talk about the conclusions from this pre-release information that we have this is I only did five battle reports for each test okay just so I can get like a wide variety of things for this video but what we can conclude is that the Herman Prime is pretty underwhelming
It’s he’s not dominating everything a lot of times when we see like with huo he came out he was good when Zhuge Liang came out he was amazing okay he basically killed everything so with Herman Prime we’re seeing the results aren’t insane okay they’re not they’re pretty lukewarm and
And dare I say they’re kind of bad to be honest with you that being said dueling is not a 100% accurate representation of how good a commander is going to be in the open field and I know that
That sounds like copium but like I said earlier Nevsky Joan is not good at dueling typically it loses a lot in the simulator and yet it still gets insane results in the open field I’ve been using
Uh with Nevsky Joan at my kvk it’s still one of the best open field pairings probably top three in the entire game right now so like just because something loses a lot in the simulator doesn’t mean that it’s a bad pairing and that could be what we’re seeing here with Herman Prime now
Again the other thing is not only are duels not a great representation of how the commander could be performing in the open field but also Herman Prime is built for AOE damage right like he’s actually made for that because his debuff is also AOE right like he even has a skill exclusively for
AOE skill damage bonus plus 20% so his value is going to be in the AOE Department always okay and the fact that it’s a half circle AOE is going to be amazing and I really think that this you know
Herman Prime is going to be one of those things where I think it was Aristotle that said the hole is greater than the some of its parts right and I think that that’s probably the best way to
Explain what I suspect will be the case for Herman Prime in that he will probably perform really well in open field murder balls but when you look at his kit when you look at the 1 V1 duals he
Just falls really really short so my prediction is that he looks like he’s probably going to be pretty squishy and he looks like you know if he’s if it’s not a really dense crazy murder ball you
May want to use Boudica Prime with nay Leong that that might be the better route here but if you are going into a Myrtle ball with tons of targets to hit and tons of people to spread
Poison to that’s I think where Herman Prime is going to shine now the other conclusion that we can talk about is what’s on the screen right here Tomyris now why was the Tomyris pairing failing so miserably well I did take a look at and you can watch the test as it’s running and
So I did start filming this and you can see here this is where the Stacks are being counted uh for the expertise okay and you see the get removed and then boom it launches his active skill right
After that um and so here we’re counting basically both of these skills are counting the total number of stacks of poison the expertise is counting how many stacks of poison have been accumulated since
The last time it popped and there you go so I’m just going to pause it right here okay you can see right now there are six stacks of poison and the rage meter for Herman is nearly complete on
The following turn he gets seven Stacks then he castes that skill we’re up to 10 we go up to 11 and Tomyris casts her active skill now remember she removes the poison stacks and this is one of
The things that I noticed and it I mean this is actually pretty generous earlier like even here earlier in the battle it’s only at 11 by the time Tomyris casts okay and I spent a good amount of time just watching the Tomyris reports and the thing with Herman Prime is that he has
Rejuvenate from the support tree so he actually has a really good rage engine and the longer the battle goes on typically the faster your rage cycle is going to be and a lot of times Toy’s active skill was popping when she had seven Stacks eight Stacks right like you can really
Pop the active skills quickly and so the problem that I can see from these pre-release results is that the Tomyris active skill is dealing like 13 or 1,400 damage factor which in 2023 like we have huo who’s dealing 2700 he’s dealing like double the damage of Tomyris okay which is wild but not
Only that Tomyris is removing the poison Stacks which means that you know the Target no longer has that poison debuff but also remember that with mandrake root Herman takes 15% less damage from any Target right and that’s assuming that the target has Max Stacks okay so in the reports where
We have Herman Prime primary Jay Leong secondary once they get to the 15 Stacks which takes longer cuz there’s no Tomyris but once they get there they sit there forever they always take 50 15% more skill damage and you always as Herman Prime take 15% less all damage which is very important
Taking 15% less all damage is huge but Tomyris keeps removing them when you get to 7 8 11 stacks you basically never besides like the first skill cycle you pretty much never get a full 15 stack
Clear from Tomyris because of how quick the rage cycle is going once you get going with the Hermann Prime primary so removing the poison stocks is probably doing more harm than good you’re now taking more damage because of mandrake root is being reset and the consequence of that is
That you’re dealing a 13 or, 1400 damage Factor that’s horrible it’s pathetic right it’s nothing it’s not good and then you’ve reset the stack so that way by the time Herman Prime launches his active skill the chances are that the target is not back up to the 15 stacks of poison so they’re
Not going to take the 45% increased skill damage from the active skill on Herman Prime so what we can find out here is that yes Herman with Tomy will pop Herman active skill more often because of Herman Prime’s expertise but the consequence of that is that you’re just removing the poison
Tack so quickly with that rid cycle that I think it’s doing more harm than good and you’re still the extra casts of the active skill you know they’re not at their highest power because the
Target doesn’t have the max stacks of the poison anyway so I don’t know guys I I I’m starting to think less of the Tamyra pairing after looking at these early results um again we have to see how
Performs in game that is like the most important part about all this but it seems like the Tommy pairing is uh much better on paper than it will perform in the actual game now it’s also worth noting that Tomy does have March speed on her Relic which obviously that value is not shown
Accurately in the in the simulator because March speed is something that you only experience when when moving around the field but I think Tomy is just a little too outdated her damage factor is
Really low and I mean I don’t know guys it’s uh we’ll have to wait and see it could be the case that the simulator is just completely inaccurate for judging how good Tomy is that’s like 100% that
Could be the case and you know obviously like I said wait for the in game results for now though it looks like Herman Prime should probably be the primary commander and also Zhuge Liang is probably his best option for secondary I mean they both have a skill damage bonus this is Zhuge Liang
Is for all skill damage but for Herman Prime he has AOE skill damage bonus which for both these commanders they both do AOE so that’s fine now the other thing I want to know is this three
Tar Target damage Factor here on the fourth skill from Zhuge Liang it says this is not affected by skill damage Buffs but the buff on Herman Prime is not a skill damage buff it’s an AOE damage buff so
Could it buff this possibly right I mean it’s the only thing in the game that Buffs AOE damage so you know could that be a loophole here to to make this an even more powerful thing I have no idea
I I don’t know like there’s no way to know until it comes into the game but yeah that is the early test results for Herman Prime so far are looking quite underwhelming but definitely not a fully accurate representation how he may perform when he’s actually in the game so definitely stay tuned
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UPDATE: The dev of the sim has informed me of two small errors in his coding. 1st is that Hermann is giving 20% Skill damage (instead of AoE damage) which doesn't affect much BUT it does mean that Tomyris is dealing MORE damage in the sim than she will in the real game… ☠ 2nd is that Hermann's 20% defense debuff is only procing when Hermann is casting his own active skill.
did nev joan have ottoman as civ? also the gears was little weird.
Archer, main here. i can not wait to put full crit gear to use.
why not use Hermann ingame ? why use test sim? kappa <3 i am silly goose <3 cheers
For now simulator was more than 80% accurate, even for Huo, when everyone thought he was a bad investment, he ended up being a good commander like in the simulator
3:42 take it or leave it 😂
Yesterday you said R.I.P Boudica 😂 look now 😂
I would like to see reports with YSG….
so what i'm hearing it isn't that the devs are reviving Tomy it's that they're killing her all the way?
Invest in Scipio or Liu chu first 🤔
I wanna see it against Gorgo Liu, the skill dmg reduction poison debuff wont have effect then lok
Can you give a chance to leadership equipment with leadership rally?
For example: ragnar primary and moktazoma secondary with concealed dagger against meta commanders
Try boudica/herman seems to be beating most marches
Ma boi Liu Che is far better 🤣
3:40 “and by silly goose I think you’re an idiot” is a new meme
Will Hermann be a must-have for Archer mains is my worry as an archer main. I have like 1195 universals saved.
I already have 2 Archer marches.
That's an insult, my IQ it's 30 and I did knew it was a simulation 😢
Still feeling bringing herman prime with zhuge liang as single march for people who didnt worked on boudica yet is better then bringing boudica prime and you may use boudica as second march with ysg Nebu or artemisia
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I am not that hyped about Hermann tbh, never really cared about him as epic or even as legendary😅
Silly Geese!😂😂😂😂😅
have you tried Boudicca prime + Herman prime or vise versa?
Archer syndicate did Boudica P with Hermann P and look very good ! Why you don’t test this combo in simulator??
The bear remembers 🙁
Idea for a video : get back the old videos of rok simulator for commanders that already landed, recreate in game the simulations made in those video and compare them against the results that the simulator got back then, and calculate approx. accuracy of the simulator..
RoK battle simulator is really really bad
Curious If I understood you correctly you said when it reaches 25 stacks it drops all the stacks and starts over? I understood it his stacks dont drop they just refresh. So my thinking is they will just keep on the targets until that target is dead or pulls out of battle and the timer ends on them, then allowing new stacks to move to a new target until you are back up to the 25 between all targets.
1) just a reminder that in the battle between baba and the 1960 Whale, Baba only won because of Tomy.
2) Only accurate to 1v1 results but significantly misjudges tomy's performance.
3) it undermines Tomy's value too much to the extent that this has bad implications on Tomy's stength in murderballs.
4)The results are actually entirely opposite to how the Tomy would perform in a 5v5 – 7v7 or a murderball.
5) Also reminder that most will be using Herman and dishing out tons of stacks. But not everyone will be using Tomy.
This means that people who uses Tomy will definitely be taking advantage of other people's stacks with herman's aoe and do reasonable damage closer to 2K and not 1300 as implied in this video.
6) Still a great video for 1v1 result but do take it with a grain of salt as once again Baba vs 1960 whale Baba won because of Tomy.
Im calling it now. I really think the MGE Rally commander is going to have a skill that starts with "if the target is poisoned then ….."
Hermann- Ramsés
Sakura instead of blue shield ? thats something to look into..
3:20 😂
For duelling specifically, you should always go with Joan/Nevsky with dagger/ring.
I think the herman tomyris march shines in a murderball vs murderball scenario. The Herman elevates the tomyris so it isn’t 100% a wasted march in your murderball, but you still get the benefits of the poison stacks. It’s like modernizing tomyris, while not making the poison stack system too overpowered.
It will depend on your situation. Assuming the simulator is accurate ya herman/tomy it's not going to be meta 1v1 and that's not really that surprising. If you're running 5+ marches adding a herman and 5×55 tomy to your lineup could nice.