Become an expert on the original Porsche 911 in just one hour!
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The original, air-cooled Porsche 911 Classic spanned many variations and several variants over its 34-year run. In this episode of the Carmudgeon Show, Porsche expert Derek Tam-Scott gives you everything-you-need-to-know to become an expert on the 911.
Derek starts out by talking about the original engineering, and then quickly covers the variants of the original long-hood cars, which had 2.0, 2.2, and 2.4-liter engines (though the latter actually displaced 2.3 liters.)
There were carbureted, MFI, and Bosch CIS-E (K-Jetronic) variants, even before the next-generation G-Body was launched, with a 2.7-liter flat-six and impact bumpers.
It was this version where the Carrera began — with the 2.7 and later 3.0 liter versions.
The 911 SC came later, in model year 1978, with 3.0-liter engines — and it was to be the last of the 911s. Thankfully, CEO Peter Schutz, an American, saved it from being replaced by the V-8-powered 928.
The SC was replaced with the Carrera 3.2, with Motronic fuel injection, before the original 911 was finally replaced — by the 1989 964, which was a functional enhancement but still basically the same car.
The 964 replaced the original 911’s torsion-bar suspension with coil springs — and power steering was available for the first time. It used a 3.6-liter.
The final variant of the original 911 was the 993. If 85% of the parts were new for the 964, a further 80% were new again for the 993. Here, the 911 got the Weissach Axle rear multi-link suspension, VarioRam 3.6-liter, and a 6-speed manual.
Learn about all of these Porsches in this episode!
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39 Comments
Doesn't the current Mazda 3 have torsion beam suspension?
I was a bit surprised that there was not even a mention of the 912 or 912e.
I think it would be very interesting
corvette episode guys 💥
I recall being told that the 'T' in a 911T stands for 'Towne' (although we all thought it meant 'trash'…).
You should totally do this!
Keep this level of geekiness and nerdiness, hearing / seeing you details like that amaze me, every time!!!!
Ever closer to the Piëchisode
I heard/read somewhere that the 993 was supposed to be watercooled. The rear suspension was another step-change in 911s and continued into the watercooled cars. I'd love to hear the 993 covered in more detail.
Mr. Ih8evry1 and Monsieur Hyphen, greetings!
Here's my entry for the upcoming Q&A episode if it doesn't suffer the same fate as the elusive Piechisode.
Can we have an episode on the following topic:
Top Gear (in its 2003-15 incarnation) and its impact on motoring and society at large. Clarkson, say what we may about the man but as a global phenomenon, he (and TG) is undeniable. Despite all the humour involved, he was great at identifying would-be-great cars (LFA, previous Vantage) from the marketing faff and his outspoken and blunt character meant he didn't shy away from calling manufacturers out. His reviews in Sunday Times Driving are surprisingly spot-on and just as entertaining. Yes, sometimes TG was also blamed of having an agenda. Sure, the man might have his biases like we all do, but let's focus on the automotive stuff that he pioneered and took to such dizzying heights.
2. Additional request: a brief discussion about sporty cars (mostly hot hatches that US never got) from French brands Renault, Peugeot and Citroen. More pertinently, your views on the new Alpine A110. Would u have one over a Lotus ( if it wasn't turbocharged and auto-only and didn't have EPAS).
Would absolutely enjoy the year by year spotters guide. My dad always tell me every year of beetle based on small differences, that type of info is super interesting to me.
Can you guys do a “turbo addendum” to this? As a 930 owner who’s never really driven any of the N/A cars, I’d love to hear about the differences in how they drive, mechanicals, etc.
Great episode, do a second part.
Though I’ve never had the privilege to own one (currently on a 2 year plan towards 911 ownership) I’ve become quite the Porsche nerd/obsessive and that’s largely thanks to you guys! LOVED this episode. The more hyper detailed talks on Porsche’s the better! Maybe another air cooled episode and an eventual on the water cooled examples would be great.
Put off watching this one becuase I'm so sick of hearing about the 911. But this has got to be one of the best episodes yet. Jason, let the Tam Speak! more often.
I was hoping they'd eventually do an episode on my favorite car
There is no such car as bad Porsche, 😊😂 would love episode on Hyundai N division ❤❤❤
Hell yes give me the year-by-year identification guide, and I'd even be down for a full water-cooled 911 history lesson too
My favorite episode. Thanks
Walking into a nissan showroom and buying a Z is technically the same thing. A new car thats fundamentally 20 years old.
Okay so I have a framed picture of Jason Camissa on my nightstand that I pray to every night before I go to sleep, and even I could not handle Jason chomping on that fucking Kind bar. Jesus Christ man you have fucking cow teeth or something? JUST EAT IT LMFAOOO great episode guys 😁
Super interesting episode. Thanks. I fell in love with 911s in 1978 riding in by friend's Dad's 930. I was sitting in the back and we went very fast down a country road. The sounds, smell, and feeling was all I needed to want one everyday since then.
Me! I'm the one guy. This was so awesome for me. As I am such an air cooled 911 fanboy. And want to learn as much as I can of ALL of the useless information about them. I'm on my 3rd listen just to try to get all of this information stuck in my head. So YES! DO MORE and Thank you.
The french! They made some cars with torsion bar (rear) suspension even after 2000, like the 206, or the Berlingo mk1. While both were introduced in the 90s, they were still in production in the 00s.
And I read some speculations about the Mercedes rust issues: some microbes could proliferate in the water based paint, and that caused the problems.
Derek's knowledge will always boggle me
Italian tune-up is my takeaway from this episode 😀
What about the 1994 964 911 Wide Body Carrera 4 that is my pick.
Jason, please speak more closely to the mic 🎤… very difficult to hear you for much of this episode.
DTS was excellent, no notes.
Putting my vote in for more 911 content!
Please do the year by year comparison episode!
Without judgment; "so you are going to eat them all." Classic DTS deadpan. No clue how aridly comedic.
Amazing how this was such a small fraction of DTS brain content.
The 1988 Carrera Clubsport is peak 911.
Nobody ever talks about the 914! I loved my little '73 2.0 914!… stop laughing!🤨🖕
Would love to hear your comments on the 928 and 924/944/968 driving experience!
NOx, SOx, and VOCs!
I have a '89 3.2 and absolutely love it. I do my own work and down to rebuilding the engine as a 3.4 last year. It's been on several multi-state road trips and is awesome. Not a boring mile yet to be driven in it. I'm getting itchy now because I'm replacing the rear suspension bushings and can't wait to get back behind the wheel. It's that good.
You guys rock. My favorite automotive podcast for sure!
Totally enjoyed this. Please make the spotters guide.
Do a 928 evolution review also!